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"J Young" |
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20 Oct 2005 12:47:33 AM |
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100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality torn
from our social fabric by the ACLU. The days when they defended the
downtrodden are long past. They are nothing now but a tool for the liberal,
atheist establishment.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46784
100,000 back bill to curb ACLU
Petition urges Congress to act on legislation
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A grass-roots group is mobilizing more than 100,000 Americans to urge
Congress to pass a bill that would curb the ACLU by denying plaintiff
attorneys the right to collect attorneys fees in lawsuits targeting religion
in the public square.
The petition by the Center for Reclaiming America calls for "a stand against
the ACLU's radical agenda, which undermines our nation's moral and religious
heritage."
The group says it already has 100,000 signatures and hopes to garner another
30,000.
The petition reads:
As a concerned citizen, I am taking a stand against the ACLU's radical
agenda, which undermines our nation's moral and religious heritage. I join
with citizens across the nation in protest of ACLU policies and actions to
strip faith in God from the public square while promoting anti-family and
pro-homosexual initiatives. I am calling on leaders in government and media
to tell the truth about the ACLU's radical agenda. Furthermore, I demand
lawmakers take the necessary steps to eliminate the monetary motives behind
the ACLU's campaign to remove all mention of God from the public square. The
ACLU does not represent me nor the vast majority of American citizens.
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| Title: The Enemy Is The ACLU And Not The Catholic Church |
01 Nov 2005 06:21:17 PM |
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Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy, while
the ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth would enjoy
peace?
DOWN WITH THE ACLU
J Young wrote:
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality torn
from our social fabric by the ACLU. The days when they defended the
downtrodden are long past. They are nothing now but a tool for the libera=
l,
atheist establishment.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=3D46784
100,000 back bill to curb ACLU
Petition urges Congress to act on legislation
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A grass-roots group is mobilizing more than 100,000 Americans to urge
Congress to pass a bill that would curb the ACLU by denying plaintiff
attorneys the right to collect attorneys fees in lawsuits targeting relig=
ion
in the public square.
The petition by the Center for Reclaiming America calls for "a stand agai=
nst
the ACLU's radical agenda, which undermines our nation's moral and religi=
ous
heritage."
The group says it already has 100,000 signatures and hopes to garner anot=
her
30,000.
The petition reads:
As a concerned citizen, I am taking a stand against the ACLU's radical
agenda, which undermines our nation's moral and religious heritage. I join
with citizens across the nation in protest of ACLU policies and actions to
strip faith in God from the public square while promoting anti-family and
pro-homosexual initiatives. I am calling on leaders in government and med=
ia
to tell the truth about the ACLU's radical agenda. Furthermore, I demand
lawmakers take the necessary steps to eliminate the monetary motives behi=
nd
the ACLU's campaign to remove all mention of God from the public square. =
The
ACLU does not represent me nor the vast majority of American citizens.
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: The Enemy Is The ACLU And Not The Catholic Church |
01 Nov 2005 08:41:18 PM |
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<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1130890877.069080.264420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
[...]
A grass-roots group is mobilizing more than 100,000 Americans to urge
Congress to pass a bill that would curb the ACLU by denying plaintiff
attorneys the right to collect attorneys fees in lawsuits targeting
religion
in the public square.
The petition by the Center for Reclaiming America calls for "a stand
against
the ACLU's radical agenda, which undermines our nation's moral and
religious
heritage."
Oh yeah, that'll work.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: The Enemy Is The ACLU And Not The Catholic Church |
01 Nov 2005 07:09:31 PM |
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<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1130890877.069080.264420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
Thousands of sodomized altar boys would probably disagree with that.
--
We Americans can never be safe from Muslim terrorists until we neutralize
our own Militant Christian insurgency.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: The Enemy Is The ACLU And Not The Catholic Church |
02 Nov 2005 12:51:08 AM |
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<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1130890877.069080.264420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
whilethe ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
Actually that would be the United States Constitution - which specifies that
law may not be "Christianized" in the first place.
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth
Horse *****. They want no such thing.
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JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "" |
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02 Nov 2005 06:50:11 PM |
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Joseph Welch wrote:
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1130890877.069080.264420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
whilethe ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
Actually that would be the United States Constitution - which specifies that
law may not be "Christianized" in the first place.
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth
Horse *****. They want no such thing.
POINT ANGRILY TAKEN
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JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "No One" |
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| Title: Re: The Enemy Is The ACLU And Not The Catholic Church |
01 Nov 2005 09:11:30 PM |
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writes:
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy, while
the ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth would enjoy
peace?
DOWN WITH THE ACLU
I'm not yet a member, but you religious kooks are one reason
I might join the ACLU.
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| User: "Woden" |
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| Title: Re: The Enemy Is The ACLU And Not The Catholic Church |
01 Nov 2005 06:49:18 PM |
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wrote in
news:1130890877.069080.264420@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy, while
the ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth would enjoy
peace?
DOWN WITH THE ACLU
J Young wrote:
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality
torn from our social fabric by the ACLU. The days when they defended
the downtrodden are long past. They are nothing now but a tool for
the libera
l,
atheist establishment.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46784
You christofacsists sure don't like people who fight to protect
individual freedoms do you!
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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| Title: Re: The Enemy Is The ACLU And Not The Catholic Church |
01 Nov 2005 09:38:12 PM |
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How come a Church that built a great civilization
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy
Hint: Could have to do with heroic deeds of the church like:
The inquisition
The burning times
Church-sanctioned genocides of countless native tribes
Burning scientists at the stake for daring to point out the obvious truth
And, in the present:
Preferring to let countless Africans et cetera die from AIDS rather than
teaching them what condoms are good for.
An incomplete liste, just to get you started.
Remember, there was a time when the catholic church was the sole undisputed
ruler of the western world. Today we call it the dark ages.
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"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: The Enemy Is The ACLU And Not The Catholic Church |
01 Nov 2005 11:05:30 PM |
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"Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" <MAILTOcommoner@carcosa.de> wrote in message
news:dk9cb4$56i$3@online.de...
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
How come a Church that built a great civilization
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy
Hint: Could have to do with heroic deeds of the church like:
The inquisition
The burning times
Church-sanctioned genocides of countless native tribes
Burning scientists at the stake for daring to point out the obvious truth
Socrates.
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| User: "" |
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10 Nov 2005 05:57:01 PM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
How come a Church that built a great civilization
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy
Hint: Could have to do with heroic deeds of the church like:
You are thinking of the Papal Cattholicism and not Christianity
Did you take the time to read the Bible for yourself or did you
read it through the eyes of B. Russell?
The Catholic Church doesn't represent the whole Christianity and not
even the
whole Church as the east Orthodox Church is not responsable
for inquisition.
You guy think that Christianity is centerd around Europe and
Papacy, it is not.
Have you ever heard about Coptic Christianity?
About Aramean Christianity?
About Chaldean Christianity?
About the Malabar Church in India dating back to the apostolic time?
What about ISLAM, that hardcore Christianity?
What you guys learn in your History Class
The inquisition
The burning times
Church-sanctioned genocides of countless native tribes
Burning scientists at the stake for daring to point out the obvious truth
And, in the present:
Preferring to let countless Africans et cetera die from AIDS rather than
teaching them what condoms are good for.
An incomplete liste, just to get you started.
Remember, there was a time when the catholic church was the sole undisputed
ruler of the western world. Today we call it the dark ages.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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11 Nov 2005 11:05:32 AM |
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You are thinking of the Papal Cattholicism and not Christianity
Was it only catholics who slaughtered those American indian tribes, hmmm?
And while we're at it, tell us about how you think catholics alone were
responsible for all the killing in the 30-year war. Just to mention some
few examples.
Did you take the time to read the Bible for yourself or did you
read it through the eyes of B. Russell?
Yes I read it through all the way, while I still was a christian.
The Catholic Church doesn't represent the whole Christianity and not
even the
whole Church as the east Orthodox Church is not responsable
for inquisition.
Yes, many christians today (with some cynism I say: Almost all christians
outside of the 4th reich of ameriKKKa) are okay. I may not share their
beliefs, but as long as they don't harm me I don't harm them.
However, it's not these christians who come to newsgroups like this one for
preaching.
You guy think that Christianity is centerd around Europe and
Papacy, it is not.
I know. It is centered around a "divine" vengeful petty sadist called
jehoover, err, jehova. That much the bible tells clearly.
What you guys learn in your History Class
Back in history class I was pretty pathetic about religion. What I did learn
I learned in, roughly, the last 30 months since I deconverted and actually
developed an interest for religion as a whole.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "" |
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11 Nov 2005 03:40:06 PM |
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Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
You are thinking of the Papal Cattholicism and not Christianity
Was it only catholics who slaughtered those American indian tribes, hmmm?
And while we're at it, tell us about how you think catholics alone were
responsible for all the killing in the 30-year war. Just to mention some
few examples.
I have never looked at the PROTESTANTISM as something standing on
its own, rather as someting leaning ON papal catholicism and
and its derivative,the Anglican Church.
I am trying to be consistent with my own principles.
Did you take the time to read the Bible for yourself or did you
read it through the eyes of B. Russell?
Yes I read it through all the way, while I still was a christian.
The Catholic Church doesn't represent the whole Christianity and not
even the
whole Church as the east Orthodox Church is not responsable
for inquisition.
Yes, many christians today (with some cynism I say: Almost all christians
outside of the 4th reich of ameriKKKa) are okay. I may not share their
beliefs, but as long as they don't harm me I don't harm them.
However, it's not these christians who come to newsgroups like this one for
preaching.
You guy think that Christianity is centerd around Europe and
Papacy, it is not.
I know. It is centered around a "divine" vengeful petty sadist called
jehoover, err, jehova. That much the bible tells clearly.
What you guys learn in your History Class
Back in history class I was pretty pathetic about religion. What I did learn
I learned in, roughly, the last 30 months since I deconverted and actually
developed an interest for religion as a whole.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove,
And gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer,
And fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
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| User: "Olrik" |
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01 Nov 2005 10:10:47 PM |
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wrote:
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
While destroying a bunch of others in the process...
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy,
Because all those things are myths and should never be forced unto others.
while the ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth would enjoy
peace?
DOWN WITH THE ACLU
You don't like freedom much, do you?
People like you are the very reason the ACLU and other organizations
like that are needed.
Vive la liberté!
<snip for brivety>
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "" |
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02 Nov 2005 06:11:03 PM |
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Olrik wrote:
Codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
While destroying a bunch of others in the process...
y'a can't read...
This issue is about protestant vs Catholic
and not Atheists vs catholic, therefore
shut your ***** up If you are an atheist
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy,
Because all those things are myths and should never be forced unto others.
while the ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth would enjoy
peace?
DOWN WITH THE ACLU
You don't like freedom much, do you?
People like you are the very reason the ACLU and other organizations
like that are needed.
Vive la libert=E9!
Ils se croient libres mais en realit=E9 ils sont
esclaves de leurs propres morales deviations
<snip for brivety>
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "olrik666" |
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02 Nov 2005 09:12:58 PM |
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wrote:
Olrik wrote:
wrote:
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
While destroying a bunch of others in the process...
y'a can't read...
This issue is about protestant vs Catholic
and not Atheists vs catholic, therefore
shut your ***** up If you are an atheist
Then don't crosspost to alt.atheism.
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth could be treated as the enemy,
Because all those things are myths and should never be forced unto othe=
rs.
while the ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth would enjoy
peace?
DOWN WITH THE ACLU
You don't like freedom much, do you?
People like you are the very reason the ACLU and other organizations
like that are needed.
Vive la libert=E9!
Ils se croient libres mais en realit=E9 ils sont
esclaves de leurs propres morales deviations
--
Olrik
aa #1981
Qualified SMASH member
EAC Chief Food Inspector, Bacon Division
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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01 Nov 2005 07:50:21 PM |
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What's so funny about peace, love and
posting the following on 1 Nov 2005 16:21:17 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
Right, because the ACLU has a history of torutring and executing
people who refuse to follow it, and more recent has gone nearly broke
paying off victims of its sexual abuses.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
Actually, your church was one of the causes of the destruction of a
great civilization, Rome, and had a hand in destroying many others.
and days and holidays around Jesus the Christ and His
advent on earth
Most of thise holidays are direct rip-offs of earlier pagan festivals.
could be treated as the enemy, while
the ACLU whose agenda is to dechristianize the Law
and the Culture and erase Jesus' name on earth would enjoy
peace?
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"
The law in this nation is secular, and always has been.
You are free to worship as you please. You are not free to impose
your religion on anyone else.
DOWN WITH THE ACLU
You really hate freedom, don't you?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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| User: "Robin" |
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01 Nov 2005 08:19:09 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
news:1j6gm1t4ha0acn0nvt8q9q369alu3es5j2@4ax.com...
What's so funny about peace, love and
posting the following on 1 Nov 2005 16:21:17 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
Right, because the ACLU has a history of torutring and executing
people who refuse to follow it, and more recent has gone nearly broke
paying off victims of its sexual abuses.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
Actually, your church was one of the causes of the destruction of a
great civilization, Rome, and had a hand in destroying many others.
Let's not forget their indiscriminate mass murdering of Jewish people after
the Black Plague in the 1400's. They tortured Jew's until they "confessed"
to poisoning the water supplies, made them say that every Jew was in on it,
then executed as many Jews as they could. The fact that the Black Plague
killed Jews in the exact same proportions as Christians totally escaped
them. As usual, they were looking for a scapegoat to explain why God would
have punished them with such a contagion. Those wacky superstitious
catholics. They never learn, they just change boogeymen. It's not
acceptable to target Jews anymore, so they just move on to gays. Yes,
apparently God sends natural disasters and contagion because of gays and
Jews. Seems like if God had a problem with gays and Jews he could take them
out himself, since he's so infallible and all.
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01 Nov 2005 07:57:09 PM |
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In News 1j6gm1t4ha0acn0nvt8q9q369alu3es5j2@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
What's so funny about peace, love and
posting the following on 1 Nov 2005 16:21:17 -0800 iin alt.atheism?
Thank you O Lord, real peaople are now standing up
to those devil agents, the people of the ACLU.
As I have always said to the protestators, so
I am saying again now: The enemy is not the Catholic
Church But the ACLU.
Right, because the ACLU has a history of torutring and executing
people who refuse to follow it, and more recent has gone nearly broke
paying off victims of its sexual abuses.
How come a Church that built a great civilization
Actually, your church was one of the causes of the destruction of a
great civilization, Rome, and had a hand in destroying many others.
Let's also not forget that it was the Catholic Church that heralded and
maintained the Dark Ages for 1,000 years. It was only after nations began
to seperate the functions of church and state that Western Civilizations
began to really flourish.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Dale" |
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01 Nov 2005 10:02:52 PM |
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"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL5@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:V1V9f.4416$AS6.3966@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
In News 1j6gm1t4ha0acn0nvt8q9q369alu3es5j2@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
[...]
Actually, your church was one of the causes of the destruction of a
great civilization, Rome, and had a hand in destroying many others.
Let's also not forget that it was the Catholic Church that heralded and
maintained the Dark Ages for 1,000 years. It was only after nations began
to seperate the functions of church and state that Western Civilizations
began to really flourish.
The period formerly know as the Dark Ages dates from the sack of Rome by the
Visigoths in 410ce to around 1000ce (for no particular reason, as far as I
can tell), is now usually called the Early Middle Ages. The breakdown of the
Pax Romana and the Wandering of the Germans made for less security all
around, but it really wasn't all that dark, and the Church at least
preserved some knowledge by maintaining libraries and having books copied.
The Church didn't become particularly concerned nor particularly adept at
oppression until the 15th Century, during a period commonly known as "The
Rennaissance".
What really led to the end of Churchly hegemony in the common people's minds
was the Black Death, which depopulated Europe by half. The social upheaval
combined with the increased possibility of wealth gaining by the lower
classes is what led to Renaissance. The question is, did the upheaval lead
to freeing people's minds, making them think outside the Church? Or were the
people who benefitted from the Black Death already thinking outside of the
Church, and the Black Death only turned the tables so that now this type of
person gained preeminence?
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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01 Nov 2005 10:06:45 PM |
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In News MTW9f.6771$D13.6768@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com,, Dale at
dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net, typed this:
"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL5@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:V1V9f.4416$AS6.3966@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
In News 1j6gm1t4ha0acn0nvt8q9q369alu3es5j2@4ax.com,, Douglas Berry at
penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com, typed this:
[...]
Actually, your church was one of the causes of the destruction of a
great civilization, Rome, and had a hand in destroying many others.
Let's also not forget that it was the Catholic Church that heralded
and maintained the Dark Ages for 1,000 years. It was only after
nations began to seperate the functions of church and state that
Western Civilizations began to really flourish.
The period formerly know as the Dark Ages dates from the sack of Rome
by the Visigoths in 410ce to around 1000ce (for no particular reason,
as far as I can tell), is now usually called the Early Middle Ages.
The breakdown of the Pax Romana and the Wandering of the Germans made
for less security all around, but it really wasn't all that dark, and
the Church at least preserved some knowledge by maintaining libraries
and having books copied.
Knowledge of what though? Bleeding, leeching?? Most of what the church
maintained was church approved "knowledge", anything else was destroyed, or
at the very least, banned. With some few notable exceptions, what the
church approved and what would be later found to be fact was diametrically
opposed. This is from a strictly scientific knowledge standpoint though,
from an otherwise literary standpoint they did a good job in keeping
certain, again church approved, non-scientific (Poetry, etc..) from
disappearing.
The Church didn't become particularly
concerned nor particularly adept at oppression until the 15th
Century, during a period commonly known as "The Rennaissance".
Ah, so that whole Crusade and Inquisition thing was just a lark, right?
LOL!
What really led to the end of Churchly hegemony in the common
people's minds was the Black Death, which depopulated Europe by half.
The social upheaval combined with the increased possibility of wealth
gaining by the lower classes is what led to Renaissance. The question
is, did the upheaval lead to freeing people's minds, making them
think outside the Church? Or were the people who benefitted from the
Black Death already thinking outside of the Church, and the Black
Death only turned the tables so that now this type of person gained
preeminence?
It probably had to do with the Priests all turning tail and running from the
members of the congregation that had the plague. Priests refusing to give
last rites (Which at the time was considered about the same as sentencing
people to hell), and Clement the Sixth barricading himself in a small office
in Avignon. Basically, the church, like everyone else, had no clue as to
how to handle the masses of suffering people, and with the priesthood itself
dropping like flies, people lost a great deal of trust in the church's
teachings. The Plague would drive the history of western civilization like
no other event for the next 200 years, and beyond. After the plague, and
after the aristocracy came out of hiding, there was almost no workforce to
speak off. Empty land was plentiful, and people spread out to start their
own farms. Why work as a serf when you can become a landowner? The
Aristocracy had one of two choices. Work their own fields, which some did,
or gather what was left of your army and take the land, and the peasants,
back, which also happened. In either event, there simply wasn't the needed
manpower available. So what starts to happen? People are now motivated to
invent labor saving devices. This, of course, leads us down the road toward
the industrial revolution.
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Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. – Thomas Jefferson
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
20 Oct 2005 09:26:39 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in
news:ArWdnfTPPMqWrcrenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com:
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality torn
from our social fabric by the ACLU. The days when they defended the
downtrodden are long past. They are nothing now but a tool for the
liberal, atheist establishment.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46784
100,000 back bill to curb ACLU
Petition urges Congress to act on legislation
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A grass-roots group is mobilizing more than 100,000 Americans to urge
Congress to pass a bill that would curb the ACLU by denying plaintiff
attorneys the right to collect attorneys fees in lawsuits targeting
religion in the public square.
The petition by the Center for Reclaiming America calls for "a stand
against the ACLU's radical agenda, which undermines our nation's moral
and religious heritage."
The group says it already has 100,000 signatures and hopes to garner
another 30,000.
The petition reads:
As a concerned citizen, I am taking a stand against the ACLU's radical
agenda, which undermines our nation's moral and religious heritage. I
join with citizens across the nation in protest of ACLU policies and
actions to strip faith in God from the public square while promoting
anti-family and pro-homosexual initiatives. I am calling on leaders in
government and media to tell the truth about the ACLU's radical agenda.
Furthermore, I demand lawmakers take the necessary steps to eliminate
the monetary motives behind the ACLU's campaign to remove all mention of
God from the public square. The ACLU does not represent me nor the vast
majority of American citizens.
Please name one law overturned by the ACLU,
one religious display removed by the ACLU, or
one criminal freed by the ACLU.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
20 Oct 2005 10:39:30 AM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ArWdnfTPPMqWrcrenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality torn
from our social fabric by the ACLU.
No, America isn't - because the ACLU does no such thing.
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JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
20 Oct 2005 11:57:07 AM |
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Joseph Welch wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ArWdnfTPPMqWrcrenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality
torn from our social fabric by the ACLU.
No, America isn't - because the ACLU does no such thing.
Wellll. They did defend Rush Limbaugh and if we apply fundie standards to it
we can ignore the reasons and condemn them for that.
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| User: "Harry Flynt" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
20 Oct 2005 04:31:02 PM |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Joseph Welch wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ArWdnfTPPMqWrcrenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality
torn from our social fabric by the ACLU.
No, America isn't - because the ACLU does no such thing.
Wellll. They did defend Rush Limbaugh and if we apply fundie standards to
it we can ignore the reasons and condemn them for that.
We should condem and shun them for defending NAMBLA. Right?
Harry
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
20 Oct 2005 05:25:56 PM |
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Harry Flynt wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Joseph Welch wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ArWdnfTPPMqWrcrenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality
torn from our social fabric by the ACLU.
No, America isn't - because the ACLU does no such thing.
Wellll. They did defend Rush Limbaugh and if we apply fundie standards to
it we can ignore the reasons and condemn them for that.
We should condem and shun them for defending NAMBLA. Right?
Harry
Wrong as usual. I realize this is a difficult concept for you but EVERY
AMERICAN whether you like them or not (personally I find NAMBLA stomach
turning) is guaranteed the same rights as every other American. I,
personally thought it was atrocious that the Nazis marched in Skokie,
but the ACLU was correct in defending their rights. A day is going to
come when you RRR fascists are going to need them and they'll even be
there defending your right to do vile unspeakable but LEGAL things.
Jeeez you're a moron.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
27 Oct 2005 02:01:00 PM |
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Mimi Cohen wrote:
Harry Flynt wrote:
"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Joseph Welch wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ArWdnfTPPMqWrcrenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d@giganews.com...
Americans are getting sick and tired of having decency and morality
torn from our social fabric by the ACLU.
No, America isn't - because the ACLU does no such thing.
Wellll. They did defend Rush Limbaugh and if we apply fundie standards to
it we can ignore the reasons and condemn them for that.
We should condem and shun them for defending NAMBLA. Right?
Harry
Wrong as usual. I realize this is a difficult concept for you but EVERY
AMERICAN whether you like them or not (personally I find NAMBLA stomach
turning) is guaranteed the same rights as every other American.
Great, but irrelevant. The ACLU decides which cases it'll take and
which ones it won't. Don't cry.
I,
personally thought it was atrocious that the Nazis marched in Skokie,
but the ACLU was correct in defending their rights.
Of course if there was ever a protest against Muslims and the bombs
they use to proselityze, the ACLU would be AWOL, since they're utterly
in love with that "religion."
A day is going to
come when you RRR fascists are going to need them and they'll even be
there defending your right to do vile unspeakable but LEGAL things.
The ACLU does little these days except install far-left minority rule,
protect the due-process "rights" of terrorists, and get as many
illegals into the country as possible. Try not to let that destroy you.
Jeeez you're a moron.
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| User: "Eric Bohlman" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
27 Oct 2005 04:17:31 PM |
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wrote in
news:1130439660.008533.266340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Mimi Cohen wrote:
Wrong as usual. I realize this is a difficult concept for you but
EVERY AMERICAN whether you like them or not (personally I find NAMBLA
stomach turning) is guaranteed the same rights as every other
American.
Great, but irrelevant. The ACLU decides which cases it'll take and
which ones it won't. Don't cry.
In deciding which cases it will take, the ACLU mostly considers the
precedents that a decision could set. In the case involving NAMBLA, a
decision against them would set some extremely sweeping and disastrous
precedents. One of them would be that a company that provides Web space
could be held liable for the actions of anybody who viewed or read material
posted by one of that company's customers. In particular, that would allow
corporations to sue Web hosts on the grounds that material posted by
customers negatively affected their stock prices. The upshot of all this
would be that Web hosting would become unaffordable for most people.
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
27 Oct 2005 09:30:20 PM |
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Eric Bohlman wrote:
omarenoryt@aol.com wrote in
news:1130439660.008533.266340@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Mimi Cohen wrote:
Wrong as usual. I realize this is a difficult concept for you but
EVERY AMERICAN whether you like them or not (personally I find NAMBLA
stomach turning) is guaranteed the same rights as every other
American.
Great, but irrelevant. The ACLU decides which cases it'll take and
which ones it won't. Don't cry.
In deciding which cases it will take, the ACLU mostly considers the
precedents that a decision could set. In the case involving NAMBLA, a
decision against them would set some extremely sweeping and disastrous
precedents. One of them would be that a company that provides Web space
could be held liable for the actions of anybody who viewed or read material
posted by one of that company's customers. In particular, that would allow
corporations to sue Web hosts on the grounds that material posted by
customers negatively affected their stock prices. The upshot of all this
would be that Web hosting would become unaffordable for most people.
Ah, a voice of wisdom in the wilderness, thank you for that breath of
fresh air.
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
27 Oct 2005 09:47:27 PM |
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Eric Bohlman wrote:
In particular, that would allow corporations to sue Web hosts on the
grounds that material posted by customers negatively affected their stock
prices. The upshot of all this would be that Web hosting would become
unaffordable for most people.
When people abuse their rights, as so many American webmasters have, it's
good and that it should become unaffordable for them to continue to do so.
Every 10 year old is 10 clicks away from a bottle of Viagra, Hydrocodone or
the ingredients for a pipe bomb and a meth lab.
Clearly, something has to be done.
Since the dollar-ballot is the only ballot that *really* counts, fighting
these predators on the economic front makes perfect sense.
Anybody will always be able to setup their own web server, and work from
that.
But if they ask the legitimate market to act as a co-conspirator in their
bad acts, they should be disappointed.
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I'm gonna be a happy idiot, and struggle for the legal tender.
Where the ads take aim,
And lay their claim,
To the heart and the soul of the spender.
And believe in whatever they lie,
Of these things that money can buy.
Though true love, surely should have been a contender.
Say a prayer for the pretender.
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| User: "Eric Bohlman" |
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| Title: Re: 100,000 back bill to curb ACLU |
29 Oct 2005 05:48:58 PM |
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"Sanders Kaufman" <sanderskaufman@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3jg8f.7245$q%.285@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com:
Eric Bohlman wrote:
In particular, that would allow corporations to sue Web hosts on the
grounds that material posted by customers negatively affected their
stock prices. The upshot of all this would be that Web hosting would
become unaffordable for most people.
When people abuse their rights, as so many American webmasters have,
it's good and that it should become unaffordable for them to continue
to do so.
Every 10 year old is 10 clicks away from a bottle of Viagra,
Hydrocodone or the ingredients for a pipe bomb and a meth lab.
Clearly, something has to be done.
Since the dollar-ballot is the only ballot that *really* counts,
fighting these predators on the economic front makes perfect sense.
Nothing on the NAMBLA site that's the subject of the case was illegal.
There was no child pornography or even pornography period. The claim is
that the *ideas* expressed on the site caused third parties to behave
dangerously.
Anybody will always be able to setup their own web server, and work
from that.
Provided they have sufficient cash (a colo with a T1 to backbone doesn't
come cheap; a box at home hooked to a regular ISP by DSL/cable would
suffer the same legal problems as remote hosting since the ISP could be
held responsible) and sysadmin skills; that's a small percentage of the
people who currently have Web sites.
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