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"J Forbes" |
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26 Aug 2003 06:06:50 PM |
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10c letter |
<http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=opinion&story_id=082603b5_letters>
"Constitution, not Bible, is the law
The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land. The Holy Bible is not. The
federal courts have made it clear that religious monuments do not belong
on public property. I realize this is hard for many people to accept,
but that's the way it is, so please get over it.
- JIM FORBES
Sierra Vista"
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "Jeff Jones" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 10:03:17 AM |
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"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:3f4e03be$0$169$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> writes:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:06:50 GMT, J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
"Constitution, not Bible, is the law
The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land. The Holy Bible is not. The
federal courts have made it clear that religious monuments do not belong
on public property. I realize this is hard for many people to accept,
but that's the way it is, so please get over it.
- JIM FORBES
Sierra Vista"
What is your position re every elected official in this country
swearing their oath of office on the bible,
That your statement is false; every elected official does NOT
swear their oath of office on the bible. They can affirm, they
can swear on something else, etc.
on every court case
involving the most dastardly criminal being convicted/released basis a
swear on the bible,
That again, your statement is false. Courts are required to
accept non-theistic affirmations.
on the name of God on our money?
It should be removed.
What's your position on lying?
Apparently he's for it.
Jeff Jones
Austin, Texas
aa #2044
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| User: "Harry Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 05:15:01 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:03:17 -0500, Jeff Jones wrote
(in message <VQo3b.2612$eG2.261274@twister.austin.rr.com>):
"Brian Westley" <westley@visi.com> wrote in message
news:3f4e03be$0$169$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com...
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> writes:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:06:50 GMT, J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
"Constitution, not Bible, is the law
The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land. The Holy Bible is not. The
federal courts have made it clear that religious monuments do not belong
on public property. I realize this is hard for many people to accept,
but that's the way it is, so please get over it.
- JIM FORBES
Sierra Vista"
What is your position re every elected official in this country
swearing their oath of office on the bible,
That your statement is false; every elected official does NOT
swear their oath of office on the bible. They can affirm, they
can swear on something else, etc.
on every court case
involving the most dastardly criminal being convicted/released basis a
swear on the bible,
That again, your statement is false. Courts are required to
accept non-theistic affirmations.
on the name of God on our money?
It should be removed.
What's your position on lying?
Apparently he's for it.
To quote Duckie himself: "Your little atheist buddies are renouned for
desperately catching me in a
lie." - Duke 32
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Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
"The space time you are trying to reach has been disconnected..." Stony
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 09:54:37 AM |
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Brian Westley wrote:
duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> writes:
What's your position on lying?
Oh, he loves it...even lies about not lying!
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "duke32" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 05:32:29 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2003 13:29:34 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
What is your position re every elected official in this country
swearing their oath of office on the bible,
That your statement is false; every elected official does NOT
swear their oath of office on the bible. They can affirm, they
can swear on something else, etc.
It's not false. Ask on is he can swear on a package of noodles.
on every court case
involving the most dastardly criminal being convicted/released basis a
swear on the bible,
That again, your statement is false. Courts are required to
accept non-theistic affirmations.
Like what?
on the name of God on our money?
It should be removed.
What's your position on lying?
I'm not lying, laroi.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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| User: "Brian Westley" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 05:49:54 PM |
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duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> writes:
On 28 Aug 2003 13:29:34 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
What is your position re every elected official in this country
swearing their oath of office on the bible,
That your statement is false; every elected official does NOT
swear their oath of office on the bible. They can affirm, they
can swear on something else, etc.
It's not false.
Yes, it's false. You said "every elected official".
This is false; not every elected official swears an oath of office.
Ask on is he can swear on a package of noodles.
Ask if he can affirm without swearing (hint: the answer is "yes").
on every court case
involving the most dastardly criminal being convicted/released basis a
swear on the bible,
That again, your statement is false. Courts are required to
accept non-theistic affirmations.
Like what?
Like an affirmation. Are you a complete ignoramous?
http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html
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Clause 6: The Senate shall have the sole Power to try all Impeachments.
When sitting for that Purpose, they shall be on Oath or Affirmation.
....
Clause 8: Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take
the following Oath or Affirmation:--"I do solemnly swear (or affirm)
that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United
States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and
defend the Constitution of the United States."
Presidents Pierce and Hoover affirmed instead of swearing.
on the name of God on our money?
It should be removed.
What's your position on lying?
I'm not lying, laroi.
I didn't say you were, I asked what your position on lying was.
---
Merlyn LeRoy
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| User: "duke32" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
29 Aug 2003 04:51:14 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2003 22:49:54 GMT, Brian Westley <westley@visi.com> wrote:
Ask on is he can swear on a package of noodles.
Ask if he can affirm without swearing (hint: the answer is "yes").
Ask is he can affirm on a package of noodles.
Like what?
Like an affirmation. Are you a complete ignoramous?
It all depends. Can he affirm on a bushel of tomatoes?
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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| User: "Mark Nutter" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 12:31:19 PM |
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duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<l5urkvcihgqg5pr1iu5p51tbtdtspaiu5u@4ax.com>...
What is your position re every elected official in this country
swearing their oath of office on the bible, on every court case
involving the most dastardly criminal being convicted/released basis a
swear on the bible, on the name of God on our money?
It's unconstitutional. What is your position on blacks being denied
full civil rights until the 1960's (or later!)? Just because
something is being practiced, even if it's been practiced for a long
time, doesn't necessarily make it right, fair, or constitutional.
m
aa#2115
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| User: "duke32" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 05:37:36 PM |
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On 28 Aug 2003 10:31:19 -0700, (Mark Nutter)
wrote:
What is your position re every elected official in this country
swearing their oath of office on the bible, on every court case
involving the most dastardly criminal being convicted/released basis a
swear on the bible, on the name of God on our money?
It's unconstitutional.
I guess not. Believe me, their convictions will not be tossed our any
time soon.
What is your position on blacks being denied
full civil rights until the 1960's (or later!)?
I think it was wrong.
Just because
something is being practiced, even if it's been practiced for a long
time, doesn't necessarily make it right, fair, or constitutional.
Besides the point, Don't go causing any trouble, you might be
convicted by people swearing on the bible to tell the truth.
Won't that just chap your *****?
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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| User: "Born Again Atheist" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 09:45:24 PM |
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duke32 <duke32@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3r0tkv83g73p2ih0sb4giupe5jkvp48e4i@4ax.com>...
On 28 Aug 2003 10:31:19 -0700, (Mark Nutter)
wrote:
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
duke, can you hide me under your skirt before the appearance?
I swer' I won' tickl'!
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| User: "J Forbes" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 10:02:08 AM |
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duke32 wrote:
On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:06:50 GMT, J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
"Constitution, not Bible, is the law
The U.S. Constitution is the law of the land. The Holy Bible is not. The
federal courts have made it clear that religious monuments do not belong
on public property. I realize this is hard for many people to accept,
but that's the way it is, so please get over it.
- JIM FORBES
Sierra Vista"
What is your position re every elected official in this country
swearing their oath of office on the bible,
They do it of their own accord, there is no requirement for it.
on every court case
involving the most dastardly criminal being convicted/released basis a
swear on the bible,
Bibles in court bother me, as there is no legal reason for bibles to be
in a courtroom. Regardless, I think that juries can usually make a
correct decision about who's lying the most, and taking all the bibles
out would probably not affect the outcome of 99.9% of trials.
on the name of God on our money?
There's a lie on the money, it says "In God We Trust", in the context of
our national motto (since the mid 50s; the prhase has been on coins
since the Civil War, but not in this context). It appears to be a
political statement, as such, it is not at all surprising. If there
were a bunch of honest politicians (my favorite oxymoron) in Congress,
then they could be convinced to change it. But that ain't the way it is.
--
Jim
Visit the Selectric Typewriter Museum!
http://www.mindspring.com/~jforbes2
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| User: "duke32" |
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| Title: Re: 10c letter |
28 Aug 2003 05:35:07 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 15:02:08 GMT, J Forbes <jforbspam@fastmail.fm>
wrote:
What is your position re every elected official in this country
swearing their oath of office on the bible,
They do it of their own accord, there is no requirement for it.
Yeah, sure, jf.
There is an oath of office, and it doesn't allow for swearing on a
bushel of tomatoes.
on every court case
involving the most dastardly criminal being convicted/released basis a
swear on the bible,
Bibles in court bother me, as there is no legal reason for bibles to be
in a courtroom.
Calling on the name of the Creator is instrumental in truth.
Regardless, I think that juries can usually make a
correct decision about who's lying the most, and taking all the bibles
out would probably not affect the outcome of 99.9% of trials.
A wild stupid statement - you have no idea, jf.
on the name of God on our money?
There's a lie on the money, it says "In God We Trust", in the context of
our national motto (since the mid 50s; the prhase has been on coins
since the Civil War, but not in this context). It appears to be a
political statement, as such, it is not at all surprising. If there
were a bunch of honest politicians (my favorite oxymoron) in Congress,
then they could be convinced to change it. But that ain't the way it is.
And there is is. I hope it is never taken off.
duke, American-American
*****
2Cor 5:10 - For we must all appear before the
judgment seat of Christ, that each one may
receive what is due him for the things done
while in the body, whether good or bad.
*****
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