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11-26do not do business with Justin Jones. Monument Court Mini Storage 2714 Monument Ct Concord California 925-798-6464 Realty Executives 2280 Diamond Blvd. Concord, Ca Tel: (925) 682-1150 Fax: (925) 676-7687 Broker |
11-26do not do business with Justin Jones. Monument Court Mini Storage
2714 Monument Ct Concord California 925-798-6464 Realty Executives 2280
Diamond Blvd. Concord, Ca Tel: (925) 682-1150 Fax: (925) 676-7687
Broker
WARNING: Do not do business with
DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS GUY
DO NOT do business with this scam company
Please do NOT do business with this crazy man
DO NOT do business with this company. I hope
this saves someone from Annuity
DO NOT do business with this little
flipabobo or rent a storage unit from him
Monument Court Mini Storage
Address: 2714 Monument Ct
City: Concord
State: California, CA
Zip Code: 94520-3144
925-798-6464
Jones Justin
2714 Monument Ct
Concord, CA 94520
(925) 682-1150
Justin Jones. Licensed Broker,
justinjonesbroker.com/WebRedirect.aspx?s=&h=
justinjonesbroke...
because his storage warehouses flood when
it rains caused 3ft of flooding because of
the bad drainage system Bread mold fungus,
and the lights never work so if your in
there at night you get muged and raped no
video cams and you don't need a code to get
intothe storage area - anyone can just walk
in and when bart gos by and your at your
storage place the buliding will move
north - south - east - west you
will thinkyour in a 5.0 Earthquake There have
been 500 earthquakes of magnitude 5.0 or greater
in the past 2 days at Monument Court Mini Storage
Address: 2714 Monument Ct City: Concord
State: California, CA 925-798-6464.
WHEN YOU MOVE OUT HE WILL SAY THE STORAGE PLACE
LOOKS GOODAND REFUNDS YOUR DEPOSIT THEN IN 30 DAYS
YOU WILL GET PAPERSIN THE MAIL THAT WILL SAY YOU
LEFT THE STORAGE PLACE LOOKING LIKE HURRICANE KATRINA
"BEACUSE I MOVED OUT 7 DAYS AFTER HURRICANE KATRINA"
BUT YOU GO TO COURT AND WIN BECAUSE YOU HAVE
BEFORE YOU MOVED PHOTOS AND AFTER YOU MOVED OUT
PHOTOS OF THE STORAGE UNIT AND THE UNIT LOOKS NEW.
little justin is like a bad guy on The Sopranos
Tough Mafia Guy - between Sweet Family Man and
Tough Mafia Guy. Wait a sec. He cheats on his
wife and daughter who just did here last year
in high schooland lives in the house back of him.
constantly. He's kind of an ***** to all
of his daughter's boyfriends bcause im doing them
but your not. He treats his son like a younger
versionof himself. He routinely has temper tantrums,
even in his personal life. Hold on. He's not a Sweet
Family Man! He's a Cool Bad Guy! Brilliant! And
who else but a Bad Guy could take his kid on a tour
of colleges and stop off and a Mafia traitor with
his bare hands on his lunch break? Admittedly,
Mr. Gandolfini does not have the
Owner Name: JONES JUSTIN & MARCIEL
Mailing Addr: 2714 MONUMENT CT CONCORD CA 94520-3144
Legal Description: T04691 L0001 B U0060
Assessment
Total Value: $20,751 Use Code: 29 Zoning:
Land Value: $8,691 Tax Rate Area: 02005 Census Tract: 3372.00/6
Impr Value: $12,060 Year Assd: 2006 Impr Type:
Other Value: Property Tax: Price/SqFt: $464.60
% Improved: 9% Delinquent Yr:
Exempt Amt: Exempt Codes: N
Sale History
Sale1 Sale2 Sale3 Transfer
Recording Date: 02/13/1998 07/01/1991 11/15/2002
Recording Doc: 29470 16707-263 429229
Rec. Doc Type: GRANT DEED GRANT DEED
Transfer Amount: $12,000 $20,000
CLOVERDALE AVE CONCORD CA 94518
Ownership
Parcel# (APN): 129-020-020-1 Use Description:
Parcel Status:
Owner Name: Justin JONES
Mailing Addr: 2730 MONUMENT CT CONCORD CA 94520-3144
Legal Description: POR RO SAN MIGUEL
Assessment
Total Value: $4,408 Use Code: 50 Zoning:
Land Value: $4,408 Tax Rate Area: 02002 Census Tract: 3372.00/2
Impr Value: Year Assd: 2006 Impr Type:
Other Value: Property Tax: Price/SqFt:
% Improved: Delinquent Yr:
Exempt Amt: Exempt Codes: N
Sale History
Sale1 Sale2 Sale3 Transfer
Recording Date: 10/25/2000 05/29/1975 10/25/2000
Recording Doc: 237940 7519-427 237940
Rec. Doc Type:
Transfer Amount: $4,000
3051 TREAT BLVD #60 CONCORD CA 94518-2776
Ownership
Parcel# (APN): 129-480-060-0 Use Description:
Parcel Status:
Owner Name: JONES JUSTIN & MARCIEL
Mailing Addr: 2714 MONUMENT CT CONCORD CA 94520-3144
Legal Description: T04691 L0001 B U0060
Assessment
Total Value: $10,751 Use Code: 29 Zoning:
Land Value: $8,691 Tax Rate Area: 02005 Census Tract: 3372.00/6
Impr Value: $2,060 Year Assd: 2006 Impr Type:
Other Value: Property Tax: Price/SqFt: $964.60
% Improved: 69% Delinquent Yr:
Exempt Amt: Exempt Codes: N
Sale History
Sale1 Sale2 Sale3 Transfer
Recording Date: 02/13/1998 07/01/1991 11/15/2002
Recording Doc: 29470 16707-263 429229
Rec. Doc Type: GRANT DEED GRANT DEED
Transfer Amount: $652,000 $770,000
Seller (Grantor):
2890 TREAT BLVD #37 CONCORD CA 94518-3564
Ownership
Parcel# (APN): 145-280-037-6 Use Description:
Parcel Status:
Owner Name: JONES JUSTIN E & MARCIEL M
Mailing Addr: 2714 MONUMENT CT CONCORD CA 94520-3144
Legal Description: T05432 L0001 B U0037
Assessment
Total Value: $883,335 Use Code: 29 Zoning:
Land Value: $116,869 Tax Rate Area: 02005 Census Tract: 13382.01/2
Impr Value: $666,466 Year Assd: 2006 Impr Type:
Other Value: Property Tax: Price/SqFt: $101.49
% Improved: 79% Delinquent Yr:
Exempt Amt: Exempt Codes: N
Sale History
Sale1 Sale2 Sale3 Transfer
Recording Date: 07/29/1999 07/29/1999
Recording Doc: 201646 201646
Rec. Doc Type: GRANT DEED
Transfer Amount: $75,000
Justin Jones. Licensed Broker,
justinjonesbroker.com/WebRedirect.aspx?s=&h=
justinjonesbroke...
because his storage warehouses flood when it
rains caused 3ft of flooding
because of the bad drainage system and the
lights never work so if your in there
at night you get muged and raped no video
cams and you don't need a code to get into
the storage area - anyone can just walk in
and when bart gos by and your at your
storage place the buliding will move north -
south - east - west you will think
your in a 5.0 Earthquake There have been 500
earthquakes of magnitude 5.0 or greater
in the past 2 days at Monument Court Mini Storage
Address: 2714 Monument Ct City: Concord
State: California, CA Zip Code: 94520-3144 925-798-6464.
WHEN YOU MOVE OUT HE WILL SAY THE STORAGE
PLACE LOOKS GOOD
AND REFUNDS YOUR DEPOSIT THEN IN 30 DAYS YOU
WILL GET PAPERS
THE MAIL THAT WILL SAY YOU LEFT THE STORAGE
PLACE LOOKING LIKE
HURRICANE KATRINA BUT YOU GO TO COURT AND WIN
BECAUSE YOU HAVE
BEFORE YOU MOVED PHOTOS AND AFTER YOU MOVED OUT
PHOTOS OF THE
STORAGE UNIT AND THE UNIT LOOKS NEW.
Monument Court Mini Storage
Address: 2714 Monument Ct
City: Concord
State: California, CA
Zip Code: 94520-3144
925-798-6464
Jones Justin
2714 Monument Ct
Concord, CA 94520
(925) 682-1150
Jones
Justin Jones. Licensed Broker, Realtor ...
justinjonesbroker.com/WebRedirect.aspx?s=&h=
justinjonesbroke...
Monument Court Mini Storage
Justin Jones, Broker Associate Realtor
Realty Executives 2280 Diamond Boulevard,
Suite 140 Concord, CA 94520 Tel: (925) ...
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little justin is like a bad guy on The Sopranos
Tough Mafia Guy - between Sweet Family Man and
Tough Mafia Guy. Wait a sec. He cheats on his
wife and daughter who just did here last year in high school
and lives in the house back of him.
constantly. He's kind of an ***** to all
of his daughter's boyfriends. He treats his son
like a younger version of himself. He routinely
has temper tantrums, even in his personal life.
Hold on. He's not a Sweet Family Man! He's a Cool
Bad Guy! Brilliant! And who else but a Bad Guy
could take his kid on a tour of colleges and
stop off and a Mafia traitor with
his bare hands on his lunch break? Admittedly,
Mr. Gandolfini does not have the
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"Marie" <MarieFrance2983@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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11-26do not do business with Justin Jones. Monument Court Mini Storage
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH ALT.EXTREME.CROCHET.KNIT.KNIT.KNIT??????????
winnard
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26 Nov 2006 06:26:09 PM |
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This tool emails me to my inbox with this crap below..........
What does your post have to do with rec.pets.dogs.behaviour?
If you are going to complain about cross posting spam, at least have the
decency to not do it yourself.
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From: "winnard" <8track1@cox.net>
Newsgroups:
alt.gothic,rec.sport.football.college,rec.pets.dogs.behavior,alt.atheism,sci
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Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: 11-26do not do business with Justin Jones. Monument Court
Mini Storage 2714 Monument Ct Concord California 925-798-6464 Realty
Executives 2280 Diamond Blvd. Concord, Ca Tel: (925) 682-1150 Fax: (925)
676-7687 Broker
"Marie" <MarieFrance2983@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1164553702.699387.79070@14g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
11-26do not do business with Justin Jones. Monument Court Mini
Storage
WHAT DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH
ALT.EXTREME.CROCHET.KNIT.KNIT.KNIT??????????
winnard
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:26:09 -0600 "winnard" <8track1@cox.net> said
the following in alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000
Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...
This tool emails me to my inbox with this crap below..........
<snip>
alt.gothic, rec.sport.football.college, rec.pets.dogs.behavior,
alt.atheism, sci.military.naval
OK, you are a cross-posting moron. And got called on it.
BTW: It's spelled "idiot."
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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26 Nov 2006 07:14:37 PM |
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"Douglas Berry" <penguin_boy@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in message
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On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:26:09 -0600 "winnard" <8track1@cox.net> said
the following in alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000
Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...
This tool emails me to my inbox with this crap below..........
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alt.gothic, rec.sport.football.college, rec.pets.dogs.behavior,
alt.atheism, sci.military.naval
OK, you are a cross-posting moron. And got called on it.
BTW: It's spelled "idiot."
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You should nowe.
winnard
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27 Nov 2006 12:05:54 AM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:26:09 -0600 "winnard" <8track1@cox.net> said
the following in alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000
Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...
Do those chinchillas have names?
BTW: It's spelled "idiot."
"It's" is spelled I-T-atastrophe-S. Moran.
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It Came From Corry Lee Smith's Unclaimed Mysteries.
http://www.unclaimedmysteries.net
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26 Nov 2006 09:12:02 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:26:09 -0600 "winnard" <8track1@cox.net> said
the following in alt.atheism and I was immediately reminded of 1,000
Chinchillas singing Handel's "Messiah" for some reason...
Some folks just can't handle that religiHOWES stuff, makes them
FEEL GUILTY abHOWET HOWE they conduct themselves <{}: ~ ( >
This tool emails me to my inbox with this crap below..........
Seems billy booby is a Email tool, eh? Does he block pup ups?
<SNIP your snip, with all due RESPECT <{}; ~ } > >
alt.gothic, rec.sport.football.college, rec.pets.dogs.behavior,
alt.atheism, sci.military.naval
Oy, Oy, Sir <{}: ~ ( >
OK, you are a cross-posting moron.
Naaah? You mean, besides bein a professional
dog abusin punk thug coward, FRAUD an SCAM
ARTIST?
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bein a FRAUD, to boot <{}'; ~ ) >
Just think of HOWE a ATTACK dog would think abHOWET
livin in the same HOWES with his AGGITATOR? That'd make
for a very UNRELIABLE K-9 who'd likely TURN ON his handler
or the imbecile aggitator if a real life attack situation occured <{}:
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BTW: It's spelled "idiot."
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"If you talk with the animals, they will talk with you
and you will know each other.
If you do not talk to them, you will not know them,
and what you do not know you will fear.
What one fears, one destroys."
Chief Dan George
He to whom this emotion is a stranger,
EFFECTIVE DOG TRAININ an CHILD REARIN, The
SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR, AIN'T a matter of OPINION,
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"=2E..all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests
itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual
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"Postitive emotions arising in connection
with the perfection of a skill, irrespective
of its pragmatic significance at a given
moment, serve as the reinforcement. IOW,
emotions, not outside rewards, are what
reinforces any behavior," Ivan Pavlov.
"All animals learn best through play." -- Konrad Lorenz
"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY
model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse,
Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected
reward not received is experienced as a punishment
and can produce extensive and persistent aggression
(Azrin et al, 1966)."
"The IMBECILITY of some of the claims for operant
technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al
(1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment
procedure developing imitative speech in two severly
disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty-
six days the boys are reported to have been learning
new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were
moved to a delayed contingency the behavior and learning
immediately deteriorated."
"It is NO WONDER that the marked changes in
deviant behavior of children can be achieved
through brief, simple educative routines with
their mothers which modify the mother's social
behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some
clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for
child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis
from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child
(Szrynski 1965).
A large number of cases improved sufficiently after
preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment
of children was required, and almost ALL cases
SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy.
Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been
treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING
the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING
SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966)."
who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe,
is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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Take off your shoes... an turn your face <{): ~ ( >
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You might wanna ask billy booby for some trainin advice, he's
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From: William Robb
Date: Mon, Feb 27 2006 1:48 pm
Email: "William Robb" <w_just_two_underscores_r...@accesscomm.ca>
"Mommio" <nos...@neb.rr.com> wrote in message
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Hi,
I need some help. Our neighbors' two boxers have been barking off and on
for over 4 years. Sometimes it's only for a few minutes, other times it's
several hours.
Poisoned bait?
Move to a new neighborhood?
HAR!!
If you have exhausted the legal channels,
you have some decisions to make. w robb
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Subject: Miniture Dachsund Barking
From: William Robb
Date: Sun, Aug 24 2003 10:34 pm
"Derek Ollom" wrote in message:
While he is overall a great dog, Stanley is beginning to bark....
at everything. Does anyone know what to do?
Buy earplugs.
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William Robb
Carefully defuse the bomb to reply directly.
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Subject: training a willful, obstinate puppy
From: sionnach
Date: Fri, Nov 29 2002 6:02 pm
Email: "sionnach" <rhyfe...@msn.com>
"William Robb" wrote:
Whatever you do, you'd better get on top of that one pronto.
Now, how to deal with your little fella.
First, it might be a good idea to show him once and for all
who is boss. If you don't know how to alpha roll a dog, this
might be a good time to learn.
Christ almighty. PLEASE disregard this asinine,
outdated, and dangerous advice to abuse your dog.
Mr. Robb: if you really think alpha rolling a baby
puppy just away from his litter- this is NINE WEEK
OLD BABY- is appropriate, god help the dogs you
actually get your hands on.
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From: Leah
Date: Fri, Nov 29 2002 9:21 pm
Email: dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah)
"William Robb" wrote:
Whatever you do, you'd better get on top of that one pronto.
Oh, please. He's describing a normal puppy.
Rescue dogs are often abused, which is why they
were at the shelter to begin with.
This is an 8-9 week old puppy, not an abused dog.
First, it might be a good idea to show him once
and for all who is boss.
Uh oh...
If you don't know how to alpha roll a dog,
this might be a good time to learn.
Yikes!!!
I don't have to read any more.
DO NOT listen to this guy. He'll teach you how
to turn a normal puppy into an aggressive dog.
Alpha roll, sheesh.
As I said before, good leadership is not achieved
by strong-arm tactics. It's achieved by trust and
respect. Alpha-rolling, biting your dog or "thwacking"
his ear (yes, I did read further :} will only teach him
to distrust and fear you.
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From: BethF
Date: Sat, Nov 30 2002 2:44 am
Email: "BethF" <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
JMW,
this guy is a complete idiot and his techniques
may well make the dog aggressive, forever. please
dont' follow this advice.
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From: William Robb
Date: Sat, Nov 30 2002 9:45 am
Email: "William Robb" <>
BethF <b...@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com> wrote in message
news:uugr3sop8sk1b0@corp.supernews.com...
JMW,
this guy is a complete idiot and his techniques
ay well make the dog aggressive, forever. please
dont' follow this advice.
Go screw yourself.
Not knowing your kinder gentler techniques is
an education issue. I am willing to learn from
you people, I am not willing to be called an idiot.
Regards
--
William Robb
From: sighthounds etc.
Date: Fri, Nov 29 2002 9:35 pm
Email: sighthounds etc. <greypigho...@ncweb.com>
On 30 Nov 2002 02:21:31 GMT, dfrntdr...@aol.comMURK-OFF (Leah) wrote:
As I said before, good leadership is not achieved by
strong-arm tactics. It's achieved by trust and respect.
Alpha-rolling, biting your dog
Good Lord, I missed that. Great way to ruin a perfectly good dog.
his ear (yes, I did read further :} will
only teach him to distrust and fear you.
But he'll know who's boss, I bet.
Sally Hennessey
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THAT was from the MENTALLY ILL LYIN DOG ABUSING PUNK
THUG COWARDS who HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER innocent
defenseless dumb critters and LIE abHOWET it, william.
BWEEEEEHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
Go ahead, turn tail an RUN an HIDE you miserable
stinkin lyin dog abusin punk thug coward:
Subject: I came, I saw, I bailed
1 From: William Robb
Date: Thurs, Feb 16 2006 12:46 am
Email: "William Robb" <w_just_two_underscores_r...@accesscomm.ca>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
I drop in and lurk from time to time, ask the ocassional question if
something is bothering me, hoping to get sane and sound advice.
Last time I was here, the troll was here.
He seems to spend a lot of time posting emails for someone who
pretends to have a professional life outside of the keyboard.
No credibility, fairly easy to ignore, a waste of humanity.
Now there seems to be another troll, this one the anti wizard.
Profane, but great ASCII art.
Sadly, not much usefull content to be had here.
Thanks Jack, I'll keep you informed of how my
student makes out with her dog.
Signal to noise is much to low.
L8R
William Robb
Subject: is this ok?
From: AnimalBehaviorForensicSciencesResearchLaboratory
Date: Sun, Feb 12 2006 1:10 pm
HOWEDY william robb you professional dog abusing
FRAUD and miserable punk thug coward mental case,
William Robb wrote:
"MauiJNP" <jmh1...@ptd.net> wrote in message
Maui (neutered almost a year ago)
Surgical sexual mutilation CAUSES fear aggression
and submissive behavior.
recently tried mounting/humping Cali.
So called humpin got NUTHIN to do with dominance OR SEX unless there's
a ***** in heat in the vicinity. OtherWIZE, it's an anXXXIHOWESNESS
RELIEF
MECHANISM displayed ONLY by HYPERACTIVE / REOPRESSED DOGS <{) : ~ ) >
He did it twice in the past 3 days.
All you gotta do to CON-TROLL ANY behavior is follow the
INSTRUCTIONS in your own FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual. OtherWIZE
The Amazing Puppy Wizard will be OBLIGATED to give you
a real good SCHTUPPIN, eh william??? BWEEEEAHAHAHAAAA!!!
I was wondering if this is behavior I should discourage
Seems mauijnp got a FEAR of S-E-X.
or if this is acceptable and I should just leave it be.
Unsupervised copulation can be DEATHLY INJURIHOWES to a *****
and even a SURGICALLY SEXUALLY MUTILATED male dog CAN copulate.
I understand that not all mounting is sexual so maybe
I shouldn't care and just let them work it out.
mauijnp means maybe she should let Calie DEFEND HERSELF.
Maybe Maui is trying to show he's dominate over Cali?
Seems mauijnp got NO PROBLEM for FIGHTIN but FEARS and HATES S-E-X.
Looks like we got another case for Uncle Siggy... BWEEEEAHAHAHAAA!!!
For what it's worth, Cali is almost 6 months
old so she will be spayed very soon but isn't yet.
Cali is comin into heat. That means she AIN'T gonna be gettin
spayed pryor to her first heat UNLESS mauijnp got a UNETHICKAL
veterinary malpracticioner like dra. deb, dra. carla, dra. hillary
or sharon too's veterinary malpracticioner husband <{): ~ ) >
Also, will her spaying have an affect on either her or Maui's behavior?
Yeah. It'll make her FEARFUL and SHY and AGGRESSIVE
JUST LIKE HOWE it done for Maui <{); ~ ) >
Thanks.
BWEEEEAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!
That sort of thing tends to me dominance/submissive related.
That's INSANE you freakin dog abusing NAZI.
My Rottie ***** invites our CockerX to show this behaviour
by sliding her head under the much smaller dogs chest.
You're a PROFESSIONAL TRAINER, william?
It's quite funny, actually.
No william, it's PATHEIC. That's HOWE COME your PATHETIC
Rottie is SUBMISSIVE to your "MUCH SMALLER" CockerX. Even
HOWER DOG ABUSING MENTAL CASES think you're a DOG ABUSER
Subject: Opinions wanted... loose leash
From: William Robb
Date: Sat, Jan 4 2003 11:25 pm
Dennis Loveall wrote in message
Hi, some trainers actually recommend using a choke collar for training.
Some people might find this cruel, but it should work. After the first
few times of it tightening she she should learn to slow it down.
Chain collars work, and work very well.
Like all training methods, the times they are a changing, and chain
collars are falling out of favour, with people going more and more to
halti collars. Of course, you can hurt a dog with a halti just as
effectively
as with a chain.
Nothing is perfect.
Give the dog a reason to want to walk beside you, and train it to do it
a few steps at a time should cut down on the amount of correction
needed.
Of course, a few really solid pops on a chain collar will have the same
effect.
--
William Robb
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From: William Robb ()
Subject: Re: Dog is going to rip my arm off!
Date: 2003-01-05 08:18:34 PST
From: KrisHur
Subject: Re: Dog is going to rip my arm off!
If mudbunny (aka marcel) is going to use a regular choke, she *needs*
to go to an obedience class or hire a trainer to show her how to use
it properly, a correction is a quick pop and release, but many people
just pull and then release. I've seen way too many dogs choking themselves
while pulling on a choke too. A proper correction is hard to just describe
orally, she needs to see it.
100% correct.
William Robb
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NHOWE comes The Amazing Puppy Wizard for to SCHTUPP you
but good, william, and if you read through the QUOTED TEXT you'll
the dog DOG LOVERS who CONDEMNEND you above for HURTIN
and INTIMIDATING DOGS an LYIN abHOWET IT themselves, below.
But FIRST, here's a other GOOD POKE: You CANNOT "aggitate"
your own ATTACK dog or you'll MAKE HIM USELESS for PROTECTION
and DANGERHOWES for YOU to be arHOWEND. Furthermore, your
dog is just SLEEVE HAPPY like FRAUDreck hassans CHUMPion
national association of protection dogs (N.A.P.D.) FRAUD:
From: William Robb
Date: Mon, Dec 30 2002 8:51 pm
Email: "William Robb" <>
Groups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Sionnach wrote in message >
She should allow anyone to approach unless they are actively
threatening you. And she shouldn't "get pissed" at all. A good
protection dog ONLY acts if there is a physical threat, and
immediately stops as soon as the physical threat is stopped.
On a very simple level, we do our protection training by making
the agitator into the motivator of the game. The agitator makes
an inappropriate (threatening) approach to the dog and handler,
the dog barks. The agitator may run, and the dog wins, or may
not, and the dog gets to play tug with the sleeve until commanded
to let go, at which point, it wins.
The thing is, its all a big fun game to the dog.
It has to be, or else the dogs actions can't be predicted even
remotely.
And, no bark, no bite. Thats the rule of the game we play by. The
person has to be given the opportunity to take heed of the dogs
warning and retreat.
In the real world, I am pretty sure that this will put the dog's
life in less jeopardy if it is put into a must bite situation.
By playing the game this way, I am able to agitate my wife's Rottie,
have him gleefully latch onto the sleeve and go hard, and 30 seconds
later, be giving me kisses in the middle of the training hall.
If I was genuinely pissing him off, I wouldn't be able to
live in the same house as him.
I don't know if we are doing it 100% right, but I won't play decoy
for a dog that is acting afraid of me. I'll make friends with it first.
That way, when we play, its a game, and thats how I want it when
I am putting my flesh and blood on the line to train the animal to
bite on command.
--
William Robb
---------
But THAT was JUST FOR FUN, william <{) : ~ ) >
Subject: Neat article on prong collars
From: Jerry Howe
Date: Sat, Jan 4 2003 1:38 pm
HOWEDY william,
"William Robb" <> wrote in message
news:3e16fd38$1@news3.accesscomm.ca...
"AssHowe" <jho...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
<news:HD9R9.575$w25.127@news.bellsouth.net>...
HOWEDY William,
One of the senior trainers in our group classified the
prong as an OK collar if the dog is too strong to handle
off the start, but not of a dominant personality.
Well, that's the hallmark of a coward, ain't it?
Naw, thats the hallmark of a 75 pound 65 year old woman
teaching a 100 pound Shepherd how to heel,
Sounds like barbara woodHOWES, william...
You cannot JUSTIFY HURTIN a dog because you're
TOO SMALL, that's called Napoleon Complex, AIN'T IT.
using what is euphemistically refered to as "pop
Your Puppy Wizard is gonna watch you choke on your
own euphemisms...There's NO excuse for choking a
dog. And to call that training is an OBSCENITY, william.
If the OLD LADY knew HOWE to handle and TRAIN
dogs WITHOUT HURTIN IT, the dog would NOT get
CHOKED... The Puppy Wizard has spent forty years
teaching OLD people HOWE to handle and train their
GIANT breed dogs without HURTIN them ....
NO EXCUSSES FOR PAIN NO MOORE ON OUR FORUMS.
? and praise".
HOWE would william like it if The Puppy Wizard
choked YOU and THEN gave you a cookie???
This is a person who has been training for over 40 years,
NO. That's a DOG ABUSER who's been CHOKING DOGS
for forty years and Your Puppy Wizard is here to SMARTEN
HER UP or PUT HER OUTTA BUSUINESS.
and who was using positive motivation techniques
LIKE CHOKING ??? BWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
long before they were "discovered" by the kinder gentler
sorts who don't like Koehler methods.
You LIKE to HURT dogs?
Better to be a coward than an AssHowe.
Better to be a DEAD coward... PERIOD.
That's MY job.
BTW Mr. AssHowe, you are on my killfile,
So I see. Thank you for posting to Your Puppy Wizard/
the only reason I saw this is because someone
else isn't kill filing you.
Yeah. That's what lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn
FRAUDreck and lyingdogDUMMY say when they post...
This would mean you don't need to respond to this posting,
I think I've just cleaned your clock, william...
as I won't be reading it anyway.
Oh? NO PROBLEMO, william. The Puppy Wizard doesn't
play grabb ***** with our koehler abusers for their edification,
The Puppy Wizard knows there's no way to EDUCATE a
SADIST not to HURT... or a koehler trainer not to ABUSE.
Cheers
The Puppy Wizard does not write to our abusers, he
writes to our readers so as to use our abusers as
LESSONS into aberrant behavior of our dog lovers,
like our Shelter Angels of Death, whom the koehler
abusers COULD NOT successfully TRAIN their dogs
without occasionally RELYING on the koehler method
for instances where the dog prefers NOT to be HURT
and demostrates ALLELOMIMETIC BEHAVIOR to
our koehler trainer who've NEVER heard the term PRYOR
to gettin eviscrated by Your Puppy Wizard, billbob...
William Robb
BWWWWAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!
HOWEDY matty,
"Rocky" <2...@rocky-dog.com> wrote in message
news:Xns92F8C5F18C322australianshepherdca@130.133.1.4...
Tara wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
I notice that as soon as the real definition of the word
"punishment" was pointed out to her (and the fact that she
was doing indeed just that to her dogs) suddenly its not OK
for her to discuss things with us.
That's not HOWE COME. Discussion is what you
avoid when you KILLFILE people. YOUR "discussion"
was OVER.
It's amazing how things work, eh?
INDEEDY! You're a liar and a dog abuser matty...
People started informing Amanda that she was using
punishment on her dog a couple of days ago,
The discussion with our lying dog abusing Thugs is OVER.
We are not going to go through the whole circular argument
again. That's what you live for to enjoy HURTING dogs when
you're snowbound and you can't HURT your dogs as much
as you LIKE to cause they're locked in their boxes.
and now she's been ordered
The Puppy Wizard advised Amanda that you have
no interest in discussing, only defending your alleged
right to hurt your dogs. That's HOWE COME your
dog has seizures. The Puppy Wizard does not wish
to have his dilligent student TAKE SEIZURES like
your dog Rocky, from the PRESSURE of HARRASSMENT,
like when you tell him NO and lock IT in a box... and jerk
and choke and shock and spray aversives in his face.
to no longer continue with the discussion,
What would you LIKE to discuss? I'd like you to
discuss MARILYN and her mental illness for NOT
HURTING ANIMALS, matty. Care to discuss your
QUOTE below? I though not.
a discussion that she seemed to be warming up to.
INDEED. And The Puppy Wizard Fire Department
blew the fire out to save a dedicated student from
being abused by our animal lovers who NEED TO
HURT anything they can cause it makes you FEEL
GOOD, matty. There's not many people who are
able to thrive amongst your disease ridden minds
for MOORE than a few days. Well, it's been moore
than a few days, the discussion has come full circle
and that's the bottom line.
YOU GOT NO ARGUMENTS, ONLY LIES and CONFUSION.
Punishment Deranges Behavior.
"NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function
EXCEPT
To DERANGE Behaviors.
Here's professor dermer pryor:
From: Marshall Dermer ()
Subject: Re: Jerry's Dog Training Manual
Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST
And how do we know this aspect of his
advice is right?
Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible.
His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis.
(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-tempered,
ill-mannered, or just plain ill.=AD),
--Marshall
Marshall Lev Dermer/ Department of Psychology/ University of
Wisconsin-Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201/
http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer
"Life is just too serious to be taken entirely seriousyl!"
From: (Marshall Dermer) -
Date: 1998/08/28
Subject: Re: Puppy growls and snaps
In article <6s6ea0$8c...@uwm.edu> (Marshall
Dermer) writes:
In article <35E60819.65178...@pilot.msu.edu> tami sutherland
<suthe...@pilot.msu.edu> writes:
However, there have been incidences where she has
growled and snapped at us...for instance, when we
were trying to dry her off after bathtime.
When your three-month old pooch growls or snaps, IMMEDIATELY
pick her up ONLY by the skin at the back of her neck, for 5
sec, and loudly say, "NO!" Alternatively, say "NO!" and hold
her mouth shut for say 15 sec.
If she so snaps that you can't do the above then you
will have to find another way to administer a prompt
correction, for example, throwing a can filled with
pennies, or a tug on the collar. --Marshall
"Oops! I would start by only holing her mouth
shut for say 5 sec.
At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function.
But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and
shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases
then you will have achieved too things.
First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased;
and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher.
How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the
minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted
biting.
**********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************
When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild
forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth
closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came
before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above).
"No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog"
to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall
dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at
UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p.
BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!
That's INSANE. Ain't it.
Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED:
"We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should
Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work.
God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer,
Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI.
From: "Marshall Dermer" <der...@csd.uwm.edu>
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
<ThePuppyWiz...@earthlink.net>
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard
Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard,
I have, of late, come to recognize your genius
and now must applaud your attempts to save
animals from painful training procedures.
You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent=AD,
who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts =ADto
alert the world to animal abuse.
We are lucky to have you, and more people should
come to their senses and support your valuable
work.
Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit
charity to fund your important work?
Have you thought about holding a press conference
so others can learn of your highly worthwhile
and significant work?
In closing, my only suggestion is that you
try to keep your messages short for most
readers may refuse to read a long message
even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard.
I wish you well in your endeavors.
--Marshall Dermer
Subject: < BEFORE -> "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous,
No Good Charlatan,"
< AFTER -> "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With
A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile
Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult
Dog Lovers.
'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize
A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim.
Subject: Re: Fritz---a retrospective
Date: 02/05/1999
Author: Robert Crim <fritzg...@earthlink.net>
You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had
any idea of what dogs and dog people were about
you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing
and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not
for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet
gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably
be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile
of ***** you really are
Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh?
Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
--
Dogman
mailto:dog...@i1.net
http://www.i1.net/~dogman
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On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus
<"Terri"@cyberhighway> Wrote:>
Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry.
He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and
watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth!
Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs
come forward and actually believe in his training manual.
Robert Crim writes:
I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs
since I freely admit to having read and, I hope,
understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by
John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe
and use it.
This naive child would like to say thank you to both
Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage
of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly
adult dog lovers.
The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the
nagging idea that if people like them had been posting
earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head
of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was
given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he
gasped his last gasp.
To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog.
Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake
names are more honest than people that use their real
names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders
and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.)
are the equal or better than those that have studied and
lived by their craft for decades.
"Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten
level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing
that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are
going to just go away because you people act like fools.
Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I
don't really care.
And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and
actually admit to buying and having success with his
little black box.
I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and
take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and
testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll
never know.
Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by
Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming
to him! LOL!
I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering
Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve,
eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right.
Terri
Yes it was, and that is sad.
Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to
listen to the box first?)
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy,
"you insipid piece of cow dung!"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
To: "Jerry Howe" <theamazingpuppywiz...@mail.com>
Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400
Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business"
and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising
from professors of behavior analysis.
I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson
(Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio
University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house.
There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother
to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's
great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior.
Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are
both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless
a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose
"The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your
methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to
commercial) psychology.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
you may find my resume in Who's Who in
Science and Technology
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT
Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning."
HOWEDY People,
Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?"
From: "The Puppy Wizard" <ThePuppyWiz...@EarthLink.Net>
To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM
Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop
From: "diannes" <dian...@bolt.sonic.net>
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: Counter Cruising must stop
LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
I wrote:
LeeCharlesKelley <kelleymet...@aol.com> wrote:
On another note: I understand why someone
proclaiming a method that works on all dogs,
all the time, would send up "red flag" to you
and others, but the fact remains, if a technique
*doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs,
then there must be a flaw in the philosophy
underlying that technique.
Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method
is involved - that's just acceptance of reality.
First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the
method, though anyone is welcome to make that
leap.
I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy
and its model of learning.
Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using
terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms:
Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read.
In order to use negative reinforcement, one must
typically administer the aversive stimulus in order
to be able to terminate it.
This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no.
Positive reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog,
reward emitted immediately by trainer;
Negative reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog,
no response by trainer;
Aversive reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog,
aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer;
The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with
"aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment)
typically derange learning and are not followed by clean
learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward
or positive reinforcement;
Escape conditioning =3D dog has an aversive stimulus
applied without any dog related reason and when
behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off .
There is some indication that Escape Conditioning
works in a manner closely approximating reward;
but, ear pinch? -- too aversive.
I remind you that you should beat them over the head
with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and
Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE
RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but
the distillation of his work.
NO PUNISHMENT.
Must pay attention to who is the animal?
His evolution, his development, and his personal history -
cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says
the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also
refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific
systematic psychology), no loving, no learning.
I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was
badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training
might not work well - but it would still work better than
the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk.
Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one
espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all
dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat.
Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent.
You can see this in Key West on any sunny day.
Housecats performing quite happily.
Fondly, Dr. Von
From: TooCool (larrym...@hotmail.com)
The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method
I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.
The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.
It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.
Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.
One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is
not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system
for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.
When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.
You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).
Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.
What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.
At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.
Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.
Is Jerry a nut?
It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based
upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when
he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or
hurting dogs.
More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.
I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?
Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.
Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.
Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.
Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.
If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet
little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little
gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry
From: Mike (m.bidd...@ns.sympatico.ca)
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST
Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.
Mike
Ok Mike which part worked for you?
It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.
Works like a charm.
My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.
Sorry that slipped my mind.
I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.
Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.
Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.
Seemed he learned through osmosis.
Nice side benefit there.
It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.
I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.
I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.
I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.
Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.
Mike
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"Ama...@DCFWatch.com" wrote:
No, the dog learned that I would hold still
the second she began to pull. She would pull
to go where *she* wanted.
Well if she wanted to stop and go in another
direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard..
she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop
walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't
enough slack on her lead she would just pull me.
Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl
heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go"
and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i
looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes
waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission
to go again.
I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her
stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie.
I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose
pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective..
we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i
followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them...
and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only
when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was
better than what she wanted.. which was not often.
She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she
could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry...
he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me
his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the
pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help
at 10pm on a sunday night.
One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after
the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag
down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and
never had tension.
two men were acrossed the street and she walked right
by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us.
And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he
even looked like he was going near my husband or kids..
is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing
gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside..
actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in
the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since
she's 19 months old and has never had a litter.
She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's
dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by
and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting
to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box
and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half.
She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat.
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From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com>
Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400
You might improve the learning of folk who actually
live with and train dogs to do useful things if you
excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists.
I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor
of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR
OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland.
This married pair of psychologists began the long trail
of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu
eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating
the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size
of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum!
The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's
summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a
sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand
the personal history of the particular animal, and the
history of this animal's species and group, the developmental
history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal.
Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without
scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking,
you aren't going to have much success.
A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original
primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the
animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond,
say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright
light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex
of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell.
Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training
and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross
motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the
animal takes action and uses an instrument.
The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other
contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator,
Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology
went haring after phantasmagora.
The major theorists for the development of the language of
operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and
B=2E F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major
role in the development of American psychology.
They proposed that learning is the result of the application
of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain
responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the
probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.)
Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using
consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g.,
an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant"
because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is
influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning
illustrates S-->R learning, operant conditioning is often
viewed as R-->S learning since it is the consequence that
follows the response that influences whether the response
is likely or unlikely to occur again.
It is through operant conditioning that
voluntary responses are learned.
One should note that Russian Psychology did very well
without the operant language, and only pettifogging
university professors ought to worry about what kind
of label we attach to the learning. Pfui!
Even Skinner understood this!
And please note if you saw the original movie, THE
MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist
who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX
THERAPY.
Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued
us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy
to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite
Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as
it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a
continual change of these three fundamental processes --
excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H.
What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat
the fish and not the pretty girl?"
George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.
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From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." <drv...@mindspring.com
To: <d...@arcane-computing.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Doggy advice
Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below.
I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's
habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything.
I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his
way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest
fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very
competent at living with dogs.
I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found
on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about
dogs doing this and that, for example:
whining,
humping, hunching,
pacing,
self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking,
spinning,
prolonged barking, barking at shadows,
overstimulated barking,
fighting, bullying other dogs,
compulsive digging,
compulsive scratching,
compulsive chewing,
frantic behavior,
chasing light, chasing shadow,
stealing food,
digging in garbage can,
loosing house (toilet) training.
inappropriate fearfulness
aggression.
The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who
graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of
the intervening time working with animals (including the
human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors
in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even
see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related).
You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially
animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans.
As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for
nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there
is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving
care.
George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate,
Academy of Behavioral Medicine
"Linda" <llindaleedan...@msn.com wrote in message
news:
I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my
dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age.
I do not know what started the problem but he came
aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and
snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone
and could play with any dog. He was well socialized
ad I took him with me everywhere.
At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens
Test except he could let me leave him. I had used
clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but
it was not working on his aggression problem.
I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet,
trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse.
They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated
and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then
suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not
working as he was becoming more aggressive.
I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles
away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book
on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to
use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse.
I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG
ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE
LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue
University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he
had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the
gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed
have the people stop until he could get in control using
treats, and work on clicker training.
At that point I knew more about clicker training and using
the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he
would not come when I called him and would run away when
I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the
neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and
women who hasn't trained her dog"
I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who
were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two
were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one
said I should give up on him and kill him but they would
say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are
responsible for him."
*(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine
DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.)
As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on
going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr
Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do
Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog.
He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could
not believe him even when I downloaded the manual.
The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End.
I had been working for 18 months!
Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes
from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next
I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three
blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the
can sound and he looked at me like uhn?
I used it three more times and we got to the other dog-
-the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person
looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked
on by.
When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at
me like "you must be out of your mind"
The results can make a believer!!!
Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training
Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader
in a busy shopping area with many dogs.
He just seemed to not notice any one.
When people talked to him or ask his name he would
look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him.
I still can not believe the change in him--we can now
enjoy life out in public.
If I had not found the Wits End method I know there
was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone
Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his
toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me.
My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that
dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with
out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!!
I know most people would have given up on him a long time
ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ
but only with the right approach-sound and praise.
I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!!
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From: Linda Daniel
To: Jerry Howe
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM
Subject: Re: - Re: dog aggression
Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything
to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would
save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I
thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would
have but many people would have. The world just does not
know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually
solve problems.
We will be here until late April and we really have no plans-
-just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time
you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be
happy to come to you anytime anywhere!
We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got
right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little
scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people
would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went
to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy.
He really just is not concerned about people passing, even
those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader
in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the
grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!!
Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get
stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never
pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have
a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could
smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes.
I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!!
I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to
walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having
a problem with other people and dogs.
I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was
to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was
around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with
treats--one really good suggestions was to have people
coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused
and not move until we backed away-
- can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street
until I get his attention with treats.
They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac-
but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make
him less fearful and then he might attack or become more
sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had
to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have
heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice.
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SEE? Now you better get DHOWEN an study your FREE copy
of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method manual and ask The Amazing Puppy Wizard if you
need any additional FREE heelp unless you want another
good SCHTUPPIN, william.
Your Puppy Wizard <{) : ~ ) >
P=2ES. Please, if you are compelled to reply to Your Puppy
Wizard's Posts, snip text and trim crossposts and put
NINNYBOY in the subject header to avoid EMBARRASSMENT.
"A cheerful heart is good medicine,
but a crushed spirit dries up the bones".
Proverbs 17:22
Blessed are all who take refuge in HIM.
Jerry 21 And unto this people thou shalt say,
Thus saith the LORD Of DOG;
Behold, I set before you
The Way Of Life,
And
The Way Of Death.
And Disciple Paulie said unto them, Thus shall ye
say to your master, Thus saith The LORD Of DOG,
Be not afraid of the words which thou hast heard,
with which the servants of koehler and university
trained behaviorists and veterinary malpracticioners
have blasphemed me.
Disciple Paulie Sez:
"No One Understands How Wits End Training Really
Works, They Assume It's All Nicey Nicey And don't
Realise It's A Very Disciplined Method That Deals With
Any Situation And The Foundation Is Built On Trust
And Understanding.
I've never forced my dogs to do anything, I tell them
they are good dogs and they seem to follow me, once
I told them they were bad dogs and they ran away from
me, now I only ever tell them they are good dogs and
they always are, always.
Trust your dog, ask it to do your request and say "good
dog" sincerely at the end of the request and I bet you'll
find your dog thinking then responding everytime.
A bit of respect works wonders, the same rule applies
to every aspect of the relationship with your dog.
Obedience and affection are not related, if they were
everyone would have obedient dogs.
I have found giving dogs "payment" in advance i.e. "Sam
sit goodboy" makes the dogs want to respond, after all,
all dogs want to be "good dogs" and if you tell them they
are good then they feel an obligation to obey your request.
Telling Sam he's a good dog AFTER he sit's apart from
been too late is also a gamble because if he doesn't
sit then there's no positive interaction.
Paul
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth:
I came not to send peace,
but a sword.
"For I am come to set a man at variance against his father,
and the daughter against her mother,
the daughter in law against her mother in law
and the scholar against his professors.
"And a man's foes shall be they of his own HOWEshold."
The Puppy Prophet <{); ~ ) >
All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer
"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.
"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.
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Birdy And Horsey Wizard sincerely wishes you and yours happy,
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I remain respectfully, humbly yours,
Jerry Howe,
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BTW: It's spelled "idiot."
Actually, he's a pixel on a Mac screen.
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