On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:24:00 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
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"enki" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Please, this is all a softball, that only morality comes from religon.
There is a point to this . What is the objective problem with kids
being seduced or smoking or drinking aclchol or drugs. If these are
personal choices why is there there an exempion of freedom for kids.
This is so easy to refute objectivly.

Ive been an atheist since I was 8. I don't smoke yet I know christians
who
do. I don't drink that often yet I know christians who do. I don't take
drugs but I certainly know christians who take marajuana. People can be
immoral with religion and people can be moral without it. Why people
insist
on believing that non religious people are immoral is beyond me since they
have no proof for it.

The proof is that you're immoral.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 17:24:00 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn" spake thusly:

"enki" wrote...

Please, this is all a softball, that only morality comes from religon.
There is a point to this . What is the objective problem with kids
being seduced or smoking or drinking aclchol or drugs. If these are
personal choices why is there there an exempion of freedom for kids.
This is so easy to refute objectivly.

Ive been an atheist since I was 8. I don't smoke yet I know christians
who
do. I don't drink that often yet I know christians who do. I don't take
drugs but I certainly know christians who take marajuana. People can be
immoral with religion and people can be moral without it. Why people
insist on believing that non religious people are immoral is beyond me
since they have no proof for it.

The proof is that you're immoral.

Andrealphus wrote:

"enki" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote in message

My point is that religon is the only limit we have on sex. With no
religon sex is not bad.

This erroneous statement is for people who do not possess the inner
strengh

Religion demands a lot of inner strength from people.

They have formed the whole society into a big training camp
and they start training children at early age, and continue training
people all through their lives.

And then they have the stomach to tell us that the religion is the
nature of mankind. If it was our nature to live like this, why all
this training and manipulation of minds?

The real reason is that religion is a control system, which
regulates people's lives and minds.
Religion teaches us to behave under ever increasing stress.
That occupies the brains of the people and makes it a lot
easier to rule them.

Women's heat expands our minds, men's violence forces us to be
on guard all the time, to defend our honor.
This results in a society ruled by people who are willing
to accept authority and are willing to learn the rules.

This process cleans out unwanted elements, like intelligent
people, so the religious system can continue to rule the
social world.

Rapists and pedos are often creationists.
Their philosophy is like this:

This little girl needs to become very strong mentally, and
we creationist all know that what doesn't kill you makes
you stronger.

So I am actually doing this little girl a big favor, when
I give her a big trauma, and I like to do this for my own
sake too, so there is no reason not to rape her.

Last week two young swedish citizens were brought home from africa.

Their parents who are somalian refugees had gotten children in sweden,
and let them grow up in sweden. When they were around 15 they took the
children on a trip to somalia.

They took the children into the street and explained that they had
lied to them all through their youth, that they were their real
parents,
but they were not.

Now their responsibility was over and the children had to
take care of themselves, and the parents left, leaving two
confused children in the street in the poorest country in africa.

The 15 year old boy started walking towards civilisation in a
neighboring country, he made a few coins and went to an
internet cafe and started writing emails to authorities in sweden.

The swedish embassy ignored the children, and the swedish authorities
did the same. After a tv program about them the swedish government
finally brought them home last week, 3 years after they had been dumped
in africa.

There are hundreds of such cases only in somalia, but most of them
have not written any emails and can safely be ignored by the
authorities.

This example shows that parents can do horrible things to their
children,
probably with the intent to make them stronger, and the authorities are
secretly cooperating with the parents.

Creationists want people to live in an artificial manner, want them to
use a lot of will power instead of having peace of mind.
That makes the difference bigger between the "normal" life and love,
and that creates a stronger kind of love.

It is a system which makes love into a drug and social power over
other people.

When somebody first has become very angry and ruthless, and then is
covered in love he looks like a nice man, but the violent personality
inside is threatening to people, in a way they cannot understand.

The strong person is simply scaring the other person on a mental level
which is not so obvious, and is simultaneously fooling his mind with
the power of love, so the other person looks like he has no free will.

His body language says that he is very dangerous, but his face says
that he is a nice and happy person. This combination fools the mind
of the other person to become dependent upon the stronger person.

To be free in such a society you need to be very alert and very
prepared for violence. But that limits the kind of thinking you
can do.

A study of reading comprehension in school shows that youngsters
cannot read books anymore, they don't have enough peace of mind
to concentrate on reading.

The creationist culture we see in movies and on tv is using all
their mental resources for making them stronger socially.
So the youngsters learn to be street smart and cool, and that makes
it very difficult to teach these youngsters to read books.


--
Roger J.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:10:19 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> spake thusly:

"enki" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127954216.799704.236520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

My point is that religon is the only limit we have on sex. With no
religon sex is not bad.

This erroneous statement is for people who do not possess the inner
strengh
of character for form their own morality. If believing in a myth is what
gets you through the day without murdering, raping, stealing, etc.., then
more power to you. But don't attempt to force your erroneous beliefs on
others.

People aren't too moral on their own.

On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 01:10:19 GMT, "Andrealphus"
<NOREALEMAIL2@THISADDRESS.FOAD> spake thusly:

"enki" <enki034@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127954216.799704.236520@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

My point is that religon is the only limit we have on sex. With no
religon sex is not bad.

This erroneous statement is for people who do not possess the inner strengh
of character for form their own morality. If believing in a myth is what
gets you through the day without murdering, raping, stealing, etc.., then
more power to you. But don't attempt to force your erroneous beliefs on
others.

People aren't too moral on their own.

--

Pastor Dave Raymond
1st Century Church of Christ


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