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User: ""
Date: 21 Dec 2004 01:08:10 PM
Object: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if....
....your first impulse is to assume the following study MUST have been
done by a "fundy" christian organization:
*****************************
Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views of
Faith, Prayer and Miracles
http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20041220005244&newsLang=en
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2004--A national survey of 1,100
physicians, conducted by HCD Research and the Louis Finkelstein
Institute for Religious and Social Studies of The Jewish Theological
Seminary in New York City over the past weekend, found that 74% of
doctors believe that miracles have occurred in the past and 73% believe
that can occur today.
The poll also indicated that American physicians are surprisingly
religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a
reliable and necessary guide to life.
Those surveyed represent physicians from Christian (Roman Catholic,
Protestant, Orthodox Christian and other), Jewish (Orthodox,
Conservative, Reform and secular) Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist religious
traditions.
"The picture that emerges is one where doctors, although presumably
more highly educated than their average patient, are not necessarily
more secular or radically different in religious outlook than the
public, stated Dr. Alan Mittleman, Director of The Finkelstein
Institute.
"Our business is to determine physicians' needs and requirements
relevant to the health care environment and this study was a great
opportunity for us to use our methodology to explore physicians'
spirituality and personal beliefs," explained Glenn Kessler, Co-Founder
and Managing Partner, HCD Research in Flemington, NJ. The study
affirmed earlier polls conducted by HCD that indicate a correlation
between physicians' spiritual and political conservatism.
Additional findings indicate:
-- (58%) (over half) attending worship services at least one time per
month
-- 46% (a plurality) believe that prayer is very important in their own
lives
Physicians views of the Bible and religious teachings
Often, religious conviction, especially a belief in the miraculous,
declines as level of education increases. This does not appear to hold
true for physicians. Perhaps because of their frequent involvement with
matters of life and death, physicians show significant openness to
religion. Regarding their views on miracles and the source of the
Bible:
-- 37% physicians believe that the Bible's miracle stories are
literally true while 50% believe they are metaphorically true. 12%
indicated that they did not believe in the Bible's description of
miracles
-- 9% believe the Bible was written by God, 58% believe the Bible was
inspired by God and 34% consider it human ancient literature.
-- 55% believe that medical practice should be guided by religious
teaching (44% do not)
Religion and the practice of medicine
Perhaps the most surprising result of the survey is that a majority of
doctors (55%) said that they have seen treatment results in their
patients that they would consider miraculous (45% do not). Most
physicians pray for their patients as a group (51%). Even more, 59%
pray for individual patients.
67% encourage their patients to pray. Of those physicians, 5% did so
for God to answer their prayers, 32% for psychological benefits and 63%
for both reasons. 33% did not encourage their patients to pray.
Religious Differences
The quality of doctors' religiosity differs according to their own
religious background. Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox Christian
doctors tend to hold more supernatural views than Jewish doctors, with
the exception of Orthodox Jewish physicians, who resemble their
Christian peers. For example, 60% of Protestant doctors believe that
the miracles stories of the Bible are literally true. By comparison,
although 53% of Orthodox Jews agree, among Conservative and Reform Jews
the percentage drops to 12% and 4% respectively. Such differences do
not indicate that Christians are more religious than Jews. They do
indicate that Christians tend to be religious in a more traditional
way, while Jews are religious in liberal way. 79% and 95% of
Conservative and Reform Jews say that they are liberal believers, as
compared with only 48% of Protestants.
Physicians differ regarding their perceptions of their control of
treatment outcomes versus the influence of the supernatural or of acts
of God. 35% of Catholics believe that all or a lot of the outcome of
treatment is due to these non-medical sources, 46% of Protestants
concur while only 20% of Jews attribute outcomes to non-medical
influences.
Editors/Reporters: For more information on the poll, or to speak with
Dr. Mittleman or Glenn Kessler, please contact Sherry Kirschenbaum in
the Department of Communications at (212) 678-8953; or email
shkirschenbaum@jtsa.edu.
HCD Research is a marketing and advertising research company
headquartered in Flemington, NJ. The company's services include
traditional and web-based marketing and advertising research. For
additional information on HCD Research, access the company's web site
at www.hcdi.net or call HCD Research at 908-788-9393.
The Finkelstein Institute provides a venue to advance dialogue at the
intersection of religion and public affairs. Founded in 1886 as a
rabbinical school, The Jewish Theological Seminary today is the
academic and spiritual center of Conservative Judaism worldwide,
encompassing a world-class library and five schools. JTS trains
tomorrow's religious, educational, academic and lay leaders for the
Jewish community and beyond.
.

User: "Solomon \You Dirty Mother\ Kozanski"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 09:38:52 PM
<rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1103655600.233990.69460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

...your first impulse is to assume the following study MUST have been
done by a "fundy" christian organization:

*****************************
Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views of
Faith, Prayer and Miracles


http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_vie
w&newsId=20041220005244&newsLang=en


NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2004--A national survey of 1,100
physicians, conducted by HCD Research and the Louis Finkelstein
Institute for Religious and Social Studies of The Jewish Theological
Seminary in New York City over the past weekend, found that 74% of

<omitted>

HCD Research is a marketing and advertising research company
headquartered in Flemington, NJ. The company's services include
traditional and web-based marketing and advertising research. For
additional information on HCD Research, access the company's web site
at www.hcdi.net or call HCD Research at 908-788-9393.

professional spin doctors for hire.

The Finkelstein Institute provides a venue to advance dialogue at the
intersection of religion and public affairs. Founded in 1886 as a
rabbinical school, The Jewish Theological Seminary today is the
academic and spiritual center of Conservative Judaism worldwide,
encompassing a world-class library and five schools. JTS trains
tomorrow's religious, educational, academic and lay leaders for the
Jewish community and beyond.

religious motivation.
perhaps not "x-stain fundies", but "god believers" nonetheless, and assisted
by spin doctors for hire.
--
Brought to you, courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill, LLC
.

User: "Bill"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 07:06:37 PM
<rcman777@excite.com> wrote in message
news:1103655600.233990.69460@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

...your first impulse is to assume the following study MUST have been
done by a "fundy" christian organization:

*****************************
Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views of
Faith, Prayer and Miracles


http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20041220005244&newsLang=en


NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2004--A national survey of 1,100
physicians, conducted by HCD Research and the Louis Finkelstein
Institute for Religious and Social Studies of The Jewish Theological
Seminary in New York City over the past weekend, found that 74% of
doctors believe that miracles have occurred in the past and 73% believe
that can occur today

Of course this religious leaning organization is going to find that the
majority support religion. I note they do not publish the wording of the
questions. The careful wording of the questions can produce almost any
result desired.

The poll also indicated that American physicians are surprisingly
religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a
reliable and necessary guide to life.

Those surveyed represent physicians from Christian (Roman Catholic,
Protestant, Orthodox Christian and other), Jewish (Orthodox,
Conservative, Reform and secular) Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist religious
traditions.

"The picture that emerges is one where doctors, although presumably
more highly educated than their average patient, are not necessarily
more secular or radically different in religious outlook than the
public, stated Dr. Alan Mittleman, Director of The Finkelstein
Institute.

"Our business is to determine physicians' needs and requirements
relevant to the health care environment and this study was a great
opportunity for us to use our methodology to explore physicians'
spirituality and personal beliefs," explained Glenn Kessler, Co-Founder
and Managing Partner, HCD Research in Flemington, NJ. The study
affirmed earlier polls conducted by HCD that indicate a correlation
between physicians' spiritual and political conservatism.

Additional findings indicate:

-- (58%) (over half) attending worship services at least one time per
month

-- 46% (a plurality) believe that prayer is very important in their own
lives

Physicians views of the Bible and religious teachings

Often, religious conviction, especially a belief in the miraculous,
declines as level of education increases. This does not appear to hold
true for physicians. Perhaps because of their frequent involvement with
matters of life and death, physicians show significant openness to
religion. Regarding their views on miracles and the source of the
Bible:

-- 37% physicians believe that the Bible's miracle stories are
literally true while 50% believe they are metaphorically true. 12%
indicated that they did not believe in the Bible's description of
miracles

-- 9% believe the Bible was written by God, 58% believe the Bible was
inspired by God and 34% consider it human ancient literature.

-- 55% believe that medical practice should be guided by religious
teaching (44% do not)

Religion and the practice of medicine

Perhaps the most surprising result of the survey is that a majority of
doctors (55%) said that they have seen treatment results in their
patients that they would consider miraculous (45% do not). Most
physicians pray for their patients as a group (51%). Even more, 59%
pray for individual patients.

67% encourage their patients to pray. Of those physicians, 5% did so
for God to answer their prayers, 32% for psychological benefits and 63%
for both reasons. 33% did not encourage their patients to pray.

Religious Differences

The quality of doctors' religiosity differs according to their own
religious background. Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox Christian
doctors tend to hold more supernatural views than Jewish doctors, with
the exception of Orthodox Jewish physicians, who resemble their
Christian peers. For example, 60% of Protestant doctors believe that
the miracles stories of the Bible are literally true. By comparison,
although 53% of Orthodox Jews agree, among Conservative and Reform Jews
the percentage drops to 12% and 4% respectively. Such differences do
not indicate that Christians are more religious than Jews. They do
indicate that Christians tend to be religious in a more traditional
way, while Jews are religious in liberal way. 79% and 95% of
Conservative and Reform Jews say that they are liberal believers, as
compared with only 48% of Protestants.

Physicians differ regarding their perceptions of their control of
treatment outcomes versus the influence of the supernatural or of acts
of God. 35% of Catholics believe that all or a lot of the outcome of
treatment is due to these non-medical sources, 46% of Protestants
concur while only 20% of Jews attribute outcomes to non-medical
influences.

Editors/Reporters: For more information on the poll, or to speak with
Dr. Mittleman or Glenn Kessler, please contact Sherry Kirschenbaum in
the Department of Communications at (212) 678-8953; or email
shkirschenbaum@jtsa.edu.

HCD Research is a marketing and advertising research company
headquartered in Flemington, NJ. The company's services include
traditional and web-based marketing and advertising research. For
additional information on HCD Research, access the company's web site
at www.hcdi.net or call HCD Research at 908-788-9393.

The Finkelstein Institute provides a venue to advance dialogue at the
intersection of religion and public affairs. Founded in 1886 as a
rabbinical school, The Jewish Theological Seminary today is the
academic and spiritual center of Conservative Judaism worldwide,
encompassing a world-class library and five schools. JTS trains
tomorrow's religious, educational, academic and lay leaders for the
Jewish community and beyond.

.

User: "Doc Smartass"

Title: 2. You could be rcman777@excite.com if... 21 Dec 2004 02:25:23 PM
....well, you know.
--
Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
You can lead a horse to water...
....and with proper use of levers, rope, and duct tape,
you CAN make it drink.
.

User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist theist if.... 21 Dec 2004 01:16:50 PM
....you start copying and pasting anti-atheism articles from copyrighted
websites and posting them to alt.atheism - like all the other trolls.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
______________
.

User: "Tukla Ratte"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 08:40:55 AM
wrote:

....your first impulse is to assume the following study MUST have been
done by a "fundy" christian organization:

*****************************
Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views of
Faith, Prayer and Miracles

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20041220005244&newsLang=en

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2004--A national survey of 1,100
physicians, conducted by HCD Research and the Louis Finkelstein
Institute for Religious and Social Studies of The Jewish Theological
Seminary in New York City over the past weekend, found that 74% of
doctors believe that miracles have occurred in the past and 73% believe
that can occur today.

Actually, you'd have to be a fundamentalist idiot to be surprised by
this. I'm always reading about or watching doctors thanking God when a
difficult procedure goes well.
< snip >
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism, aa 1347
.

User: "bloodyvikings"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 02:14:03 PM
wrote:

...your first impulse is to assume the following study MUST have been
done by a "fundy" christian organization:

<snip>

There then followed a veritable shedload of stats.
And your point, dear arseeman, is precisely what?
.
User: "bloodyvikings"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 02:15:19 PM
bloodyvikings wrote:

rcman777@excite.com wrote:

...your first impulse is to assume the following study MUST have been
done by a "fundy" christian organization:

<snip>


There then followed a veritable shedload of stats.
And your point, dear arseeman, is precisely what?

He'll ignore this, see if ne doesn't
.


User: ""

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 08:01:53 AM
wrote:

...your first impulse is to assume the following study MUST have been
done by a "fundy" christian organization:

*****************************
Science or Miracle?; Holiday Season Survey Reveals Physicians' Views

of

Faith, Prayer and Miracles


http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20041220005244&newsLang=en


NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 20, 2004--A national survey of 1,100
physicians, conducted by HCD Research and the Louis Finkelstein
Institute for Religious and Social Studies of The Jewish Theological
Seminary in New York City over the past weekend, found that 74% of
doctors believe that miracles have occurred in the past and 73%

believe

that can occur today.

The poll also indicated that American physicians are surprisingly
religious, with 72% indicating they believe that religion provides a
reliable and necessary guide to life.

Those surveyed represent physicians from Christian (Roman Catholic,
Protestant, Orthodox Christian and other), Jewish (Orthodox,
Conservative, Reform and secular) Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist

religious

traditions.

So.. they interviewed religious people and found that they think
religion is important..
My god! Its a MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRACLE!
.

User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 05:09:12 PM
In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,
let
us all know that:
trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.
User: "Solomon \You Dirty Mother\ Kozanski"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 09:40:22 PM
"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:v1bhs05nn58bicv4hm8na7cdf5k6e6bfqk@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.



Don

*anybody* who posts to this ng and isn't open to the idea that god is a
delusion, is a troll, by definition.
--
Brought to you, courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill, LLC
.
User: "Specter133"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 06:08:41 AM
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:40:22 -0500, "Solomon \"You Dirty Mother\"
Kozanski" <nospam@gospamyourself.com> wrote:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:v1bhs05nn58bicv4hm8na7cdf5k6e6bfqk@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.



Don


*anybody* who posts to this ng and isn't open to the idea that god is a
delusion, is a troll, by definition.

This man deserves a "AA#"!!
That's the most revealing quote since Vic Sagertwist said he got his
morals and values from "common sense"!
.
User: "jesshc"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 07:50:59 AM
Specter133 wrote:

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:40:22 -0500, "Solomon \"You Dirty Mother\"
Kozanski" <nospam@gospamyourself.com> wrote:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:v1bhs05nn58bicv4hm8na7cdf5k6e6bfqk@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,


let

us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.



Don


*anybody* who posts to this ng and isn't open to the idea that god

is a

delusion, is a troll, by definition.


This man deserves a "AA#"!!

Absolutely.

That's the most revealing quote since Vic Sagertwist said he got his
morals and values from "common sense"!

"Most revealing"? Were you unaware that alt.atheism, where you're
posting, is populated predominantly by atheists? Were you unaware that
proselytizing in alt.atheism is vehemently unwanted?
.
User: "Specter133"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 09:13:26 AM
On 22 Dec 2004 05:50:59 -0800, "jesshc" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
wrote:

Specter133 wrote:

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:40:22 -0500, "Solomon \"You Dirty Mother\"
Kozanski" <nospam@gospamyourself.com> wrote:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:v1bhs05nn58bicv4hm8na7cdf5k6e6bfqk@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,


let

us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.



Don


*anybody* who posts to this ng and isn't open to the idea that god

is a

delusion, is a troll, by definition.


This man deserves a "AA#"!!


Absolutely.

That's the most revealing quote since Vic Sagertwist said he got his
morals and values from "common sense"!


"Most revealing"? Were you unaware that alt.atheism, where you're
posting, is populated predominantly by atheists?

Don't like my posts? Don't read them.
Simple enough?

Were you unaware that
proselytizing in alt.atheism is vehemently unwanted?

.
User: "jesshc"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 09:45:54 AM
Specter133 wrote:

On 22 Dec 2004 05:50:59 -0800, "jesshc" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
wrote:

Specter133 wrote:

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:40:22 -0500, "Solomon \"You Dirty Mother\"
Kozanski" <nospam@gospamyourself.com> wrote:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:v1bhs05nn58bicv4hm8na7cdf5k6e6bfqk@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

rcman777@excite.com

let

us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.



Don


*anybody* who posts to this ng and isn't open to the idea that

god

is a

delusion, is a troll, by definition.


This man deserves a "AA#"!!


Absolutely.

That's the most revealing quote since Vic Sagertwist said he got

his

morals and values from "common sense"!


"Most revealing"? Were you unaware that alt.atheism, where you're
posting, is populated predominantly by atheists?


Don't like my posts? Don't read them.

You don't like critical responses to theism in an atheist newsgroup?
Don't post there. Better yet, grow up.

Simple enough?

Not simple enough for you, apparently.

Were you unaware that
proselytizing in alt.atheism is vehemently unwanted?

.


User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 08:00:04 AM
On 22 Dec 2004 05:50:59 -0800, "jesshc" <jesshc@phantomemail.com>
wrote:

Specter133 wrote:

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 22:40:22 -0500, "Solomon \"You Dirty Mother\"
Kozanski" <nospam@gospamyourself.com> wrote:


"Don Kresch" <ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote in message
news:v1bhs05nn58bicv4hm8na7cdf5k6e6bfqk@4ax.com...

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,


let

us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.



Don


*anybody* who posts to this ng and isn't open to the idea that god

is a

delusion, is a troll, by definition.


This man deserves a "AA#"!!


Absolutely.

That's the most revealing quote since Vic Sagertwist said he got his
morals and values from "common sense"!


"Most revealing"? Were you unaware that alt.atheism, where you're
posting, is populated predominantly by atheists? Were you unaware that
proselytizing in alt.atheism is vehemently unwanted?

He doesn't care. He imagines that his freedom of his own religion
incorporates freedom to impose it on others. And that this trumps
everybody else's freedom of religion (which includes freedom from all
the ones they don't practice themselves).
.




User: ""

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 07:33:12 PM
Don Kresch wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.

Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.
Poor Don.
He's afraid to be exposed to things that challenge him so he closes his
ears and sticks his head in the sand.
Kinda sad.
=====
RC
.
User: "bloodyvikings"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 05:15:55 AM
wrote:

Don Kresch wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.



Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.

Poor Don.

He's afraid to be exposed to things that challenge him so he closes his
ears and sticks his head in the sand.

Kinda sad.

=====
RC

Pot, Kettle....
.

User: "jesshc"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 07:55:10 AM
wrote:

Don Kresch wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,


let

us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.


Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.

Oops, wrong. Don isn't interested in obviously biased studies.

Poor Don.

Poor everybody who comes in contact with you.

He's afraid to be exposed to things that challenge him so he closes

his

ears and sticks his head in the sand.

No, he's just not too keen on trolls.

Kinda sad.

What's sad is adults believing in magical beings.
.

User: "Don Kresch"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 06:25:20 AM
In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 17:33:12 -0800,
let
us all know that:
trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll
Don
---
aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
.

User: "Douglas Berry"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 01:33:37 PM
In our last thrilling episode,
was pushed over the
cliffs of alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 17:33:12 -0800 by Zoog, minion of
Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:

Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.

Attitude is an important part of the healing process. How you get
that positive attitude changes from person to person. Me, I drew on
my military training for the discipline and will to face my
chemotherapy and surguries. Others turn to their faith. If you
believe that prayers help, they help your attitude.
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
.

User: "Steve Knight"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 08:48:16 PM
On 21 Dec 2004 17:33:12 -0800,
wrote:


Don Kresch wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.


Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.

Unbelievable. You cut and paste an argument from authority by
superstitious fools and expect atheists to be respectful and actually
take it seriously.
The depth of ignorance you Godbots have about atheism is
astounding.
I bet when you where in school, you were the little pansy that
said, 'The teacher said so!'
You christians are mindless. You haven't had an original thought in
two thousand years and are reduced to repeating idiotic dribble you
think is poignant.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
.
User: "Solomon \You Dirty Mother\ Kozanski"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 09:41:42 PM
"Steve Knight" <wooly@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:7lnhs0d5t3ubc02lcebjben4q19jia46h3@4ax.com...

On 21 Dec 2004 17:33:12 -0800,

wrote:


Don Kresch wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.


Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.


Unbelievable. You cut and paste an argument from authority by
superstitious fools and expect atheists to be respectful and actually
take it seriously.

The depth of ignorance you Godbots have about atheism is
astounding.

I bet when you where in school, you were the little pansy that
said, 'The teacher said so!'

You christians are mindless. You haven't had an original thought in
two thousand years and are reduced to repeating idiotic dribble you
think is poignant.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly

and even then their "original thought" was borrowed from horus.
--
Brought to you, courtesy of Kozanski's Morgue & Grill, LLC
.

User: ""

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 06:38:41 AM
Steve Knight wrote:

On 21 Dec 2004 17:33:12 -0800,

wrote:


Don Kresch wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,


let

us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.


Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.


Unbelievable. You cut and paste an argument from authority by
superstitious fools and expect atheists to be respectful and actually
take it seriously.

No, Steve, I did NOT expect you to take it seriously. Anyone who refers
to himself as "Warlord Steve of the BAAWA" probably doesn't take many
things very seriously, except for his mama's call to dinner.
But you ARE fine laugh material. Thanks for playing.
=====
RC
.
User: "jesshc"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 07:57:11 AM
wrote:

Steve Knight wrote:

On 21 Dec 2004 17:33:12 -0800,

wrote:


Don Kresch wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,


let

us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.


Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.


Unbelievable. You cut and paste an argument from authority by
superstitious fools and expect atheists to be respectful and

actually

take it seriously.


No, Steve, I did NOT expect you to take it seriously.

Ah, good. Then you recognize that a "study" from a "Theological
Seminary" claiming most doctors believe in miracles is suspect.

Anyone who refers
to himself as "Warlord Steve of the BAAWA" probably doesn't take many
things very seriously, except for his mama's call to dinner.
But you ARE fine laugh material. Thanks for playing.

You believe there is a legitimate reason for anyone to take you
seriously? Do tell.
.



User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 10:02:42 PM
On 21 Dec 2004, dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:


Don Kresch wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.


Don isn't interested in hearing about physicians who believe in
miracles because it conflicts with his ingrained, untouchable,
desperately-held beliefs.

Poor Don.

Poor everyone who thinks rationally. Miracles are nothing but stories
told by those who wish to control your mind. Looks like they've got
yours. And you call us desperate?
If you disagree, please supply evidence of a miracle that has happened
withing the last 2000 years. You *do* know what evidence is, don't you,
RCAman?
I know, you can't. Poor RCAman.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
--------
Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
.


User: "Specter133"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 07:28:00 PM
On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:09:12 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.

Now THERE is a comment sure to move the discussion along.
Thanks.
.
User: "Vic Sagerquist"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 21 Dec 2004 09:56:38 PM
On 21 Dec 2004, Specter133 dropped trou, farted, whirled, then shouted:

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:09:12 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,

let
us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.


Now THERE is a comment sure to move the discussion along.

Thanks.



You had a better suggestion? Please post it, Sphincter.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
--------
Hebrews 11:1
Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not
seen.
.

User: "jesshc"

Title: Re: 14. You could be a fundamentalist atheist if.... 22 Dec 2004 07:55:52 AM
Specter133 wrote:

On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 23:09:12 GMT, Don Kresch
<ROT13.qxerfpu@jv.ee.pbz.com> wrote:

In alt.atheism on 21 Dec 2004 11:08:10 -0800,


let

us all know that:

trolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltrolltroll.


Now THERE is a comment sure to move the discussion along.

Thanks.

What discussion? All I saw was a troll.
.




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