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Date:	08 Apr 2006 09:15:04 PM
Object:	15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools

http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=2876&department=CFI&categoryid=papers
Opposing 'sexual orientation' school codes is good on a number of fronts.
1.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine students' deeply held religious
convictions. Homosexual behavior is wrong (and illegal in some states), and
is regarded as sinful by many students of various faiths and ethnic
backgrounds.
2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like smoking,
alcohol and drug abuse, they should be discouraged. Dangerous behavior that
shortens a person's life should never be promoted to impressionable
students.
3.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to escalating homosexual activism in
schools. (This has happened in schools across the United States.)
4.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine parental rights by enforcing a
pro-"gay" orthodoxy in schools that overrides moral lessons and beliefs
taught at home.
5.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to discriminate - and
propagandize - against students and groups (like the Boy Scouts) that oppose
homosexuality.
6.. "Sexual Orientation" codes may open schools up to lawsuits from
parents whose children are misled into dangerous behavior.
7.. "Sexual Orientation" codes draw more homosexual teachers to the
schools in which they are enforced.
8.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage homosexual teachers to be "gay"
activists in the classroom, and to proudly discuss their homosexuality with
students.
9.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to the adoption of pro-homosexual
curricula, such as pro-"gay marriage" lesson plans.
10.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to justify the pro-"gay"
indoctrination of very young children. (Homosexual activists aggressively
defend their efforts to mold young minds, even in kindergarten.)
11.. "Sexual Orientation" codes pave the way for pro-homosexual teacher
and "diversity" training.
12.. "Sexual Orientation" codes distort traditional civil rights by
equating immoral, changeable behavior with racial, ethnic and religious
tolerance.
13.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage schoolchildren to embrace "gay,"
bisexual and "transgender" identities and then proudly share them with other
students.
14.. "Sexual Orientation" codes, once in place, are very difficult to
remove.
15.. Schools can protect all students from bullying through blanket
protection policies that do not specify special criteria, groups or
behaviors. Educators can make their schools safe for every student without
promoting the acceptance of homosexuality.
***
--
----------
J Young
youngopinions@aol.com
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User: "Parsifal"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 12:54:38 AM

*Opposing 'sexual orientation' school codes is good on a number of
fronts.
Saturday night, time to party, meet friends... Instead, J Young is
alone, facing his computer, having his usual homosexual fantasies... If
the guy wasn't such a revolting piece of *****, I'd pity him...
.

User: "Dionisio"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality)Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 10:17:23 PM

wrote:

1.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine students' deeply held religious
convictions.

Particularly those with deeply-held religious convictions that we must
value all human life.

2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like smoking,
alcohol and drug abuse, they should be discouraged. Dangerous behavior that
shortens a person's life should never be promoted to impressionable
students.

Next, we must get the ROTC out of schools. They recruit people to die.
Die! There's nothing more unhealthy than death.

3.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to escalating homosexual activism in
schools. (This has happened in schools across the United States.)

Perhaps you should stop flaunting your hanky.

4.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine parental rights by enforcing a
pro-"gay" orthodoxy in schools that overrides moral lessons and beliefs
taught at home.

Bah! Parents have the same rights they've always had. Just because
they're too lazy to home school their children...

5.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to discriminate - and
propagandize - against students and groups (like the Boy Scouts) that oppose
homosexuality.

<chuckle> "We must protect ourselves from discrimination! Protect those
who discriminate!"

6.. "Sexual Orientation" codes may open schools up to lawsuits from
parents whose children are misled into dangerous behavior.

"My little Johnny would have never died at 9/11 if his counselor hadn't
told him that he'd make a great firefighter."

7.. "Sexual Orientation" codes draw more homosexual teachers to the
schools in which they are enforced.

"We don't need more teachers! Kids know too much as it is."

8.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage homosexual teachers to be "gay"
activists in the classroom, and to proudly discuss their homosexuality with
students.

Yeah. Those straight pretenders are a problem.

9.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to the adoption of pro-homosexual
curricula, such as pro-"gay marriage" lesson plans.

As Dorothy said, "Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore." We
should probably ban tourism; It "exposes" kids.

10.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to justify the pro-"gay"
indoctrination of very young children. (Homosexual activists aggressively
defend their efforts to mold young minds, even in kindergarten.)

<LOL> Pot. Kettle. Black.

11.. "Sexual Orientation" codes pave the way for pro-homosexual teacher
and "diversity" training.

That diversity training is needed at all is a failure.

12.. "Sexual Orientation" codes distort traditional civil rights by
equating immoral, changeable behavior with racial, ethnic and religious
tolerance.

After all, one can not change their race or ethnicity; But can change
their religion...

13.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage schoolchildren to embrace "gay,"
bisexual and "transgender" identities and then proudly share them with other
students.

Sharing is good. If it weren't, then would you be sharing your opinion?

14.. "Sexual Orientation" codes, once in place, are very difficult to
remove.

Ah, the man who wants firm standards, is against things being firm...

15.. Schools can protect all students from bullying through blanket
protection policies that do not specify special criteria, groups or
behaviors. Educators can make their schools safe for every student without
promoting the acceptance of homosexuality.

"Bullies -- except the anti-gay ones -- are bad!"
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.

User: "Ray Fischer"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality)Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 10:56:31 PM

Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:

youngopinions@aol.com wrote:

1.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine students' deeply held religious
convictions.

Particularly those with deeply-held religious convictions that we must
value all human life.

Aren't any such people.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.

User: "Dionisio"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality)Codes in Schools	10 Apr 2006 05:48:53 AM

Ray Fischer wrote:

Dionisio <moc-rr-thgisniTA@5ellimd.com> wrote:

youngopinions@aol.com wrote:

1.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine students' deeply held religious
convictions.

Particularly those with deeply-held religious convictions that we must
value all human life.

Aren't any such people.

Not even the Jainists?
--
"If Christians want us to believe in a Redeemer, let them act redeemed."
--Voltaire
.

User: "Bock"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 07:23:25 AM

wrote:

=
http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=3D2876&department=

=3DCFI&categoryid=3Dpapers

=
Opposing 'sexual orientation' school codes is good on a number of front=

s.
Well, just before we agree or disagree with you let us examine what
sexual orientation codes are.
SEXUAL ORIENTATION DISCRIMINATION and HOMOPHOBIA
What is discrimination based on sexual orientation?
Sexual orientation discrimination is someone
bothering, threatening or treating a person
differently or unfairly because of that person's sexual
orientation. Sexual orientation discrimination can
occur in a number of ways including:
=95 verbal abuse or threats
=95 unwelcome remarks, insulting jokes,
name calling
=95 denial of a service
=95 not hiring or promoting someone
=95 hate publications or symbols
Some examples of sexual orientation discrimination:
=95 A woman and her same sex partner call to view
an available apartment. When they arrive to
view the apartment, the landlord realizes they
are lesbian and tells them he doesn't want "your
type of people living here because this is a
building where we have traditional values."
=95 A gay man tells a trusted co-worker that he is
gay. Later the gay employee finds his name
included in homophobic graffiti in the workplace
washroom.
=95 A local community newspaper runs a series of
articles that are highly insulting of gay and
lesbian "lifestyles."
=95 At school a group of adolescent males taunt and
physically assault another boy because they
believe he is gay.
=95 A school board decides to ban from the
classroom all books which portray families with
same-sex parents.
=95 An employer denies dental and medical coverage
benefits to the same-sex partner of one of its
employees.
What is Homophobia?
Homophobia is an irrational fear or hatred for
anyone who is, or appears to be, lesbian, gay,
bisexual or transgendered. Homophobic attitudes
can often lead to the display of discriminatory
behaviours against persons of differing sexual
orientations. Homophobia can exist in a subtle and
covert manner as part of an individual's beliefs and
attitudes, in our shared social and cultural values,
and in an institution's practices. Homophobia
isolates and hurts people and divides communities.
What is the difference between
Sexual Orientation Discrimination
and Homophobia?
Sexual orientation discrimination is an expression
of homophobia, which may be reflected in the
actions of individuals or in the policies and
practices of an employer. Often the harasser has
homophobic beliefs and attitudes which are then
expressed in sexual orientation discrimination.
Such attitudes and beliefs can be hard to identify,
and make it difficult to proceed with a formal
complaint under the Code. To counteract
homophobia a broader-based, social response is
often needed.

=
1.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine students' deeply held religi=

ous

convictions.

Well, no examples are given here, but in spite of Lev 18, students with =
deeply held religious beliefs are free to maintain those beliefs because
good
Christians don't induge in bothering, threatening or treating a person
differently or unfairly because of that person was in any way different. =
Nor would a good Christian discriminate by verbal abuse or threats, or
unwelcome remarks, insulting jokes, name calling, denial of a service of
anyone.

Homosexual behaviour is wrong (and illegal in some states), and
is regarded as sinful by many students of various faiths and ethnic
backgrounds.

Yes, it is, but those same students find premarital sex, oral sex,
abortion,
divorce, infidelity, swearing, lying, and lot of other things wrong,
too.

2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like smokin=

alcohol and drug abuse, they should be discouraged. =

Since a small number of the population indulge in homosexual acts, we
can =
all be thankful. But with over population, poverty, illiteracy, crime,
drug and alcohol addiction, they are huge problems in society and affect
heterosexuals both Christian and non Christian for the most part. =

Dangerous behavior that
shortens a person's life should never be promoted to impressionable
students.

Sex of any kind should not be promoted to impressionable students. As
Rhona
said time and time again. No one should have sex before they have at
least 2 degrees
or are over the age of 35. So where are the parents marching in the
streets of the =
world to prevent advertisers using sex as a means of selling everything?

3.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to escalating homosexual activism=

schools. (This has happened in schools across the United States.)

Yes, students who have been called fag, queer, homo, and host of other =
names are now seeking the help of others to be treated with the respect
that all other student have. =

4.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine parental rights by enforcing=

pro-"gay" orthodoxy in schools that overrides moral lessons and beliefs=
taught at home.

Parents have the right to each their children all the hates their
particular =
family abides by but it is important for all impressionable students to
learn and
appreciate that hating others doesn't make their life any better and
taking the =
law into your own hands is illegal. =

5.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to discriminate - and
propagandize - against students and groups (like the Boy Scouts) that o=

ppose

homosexuality.

It is true that the Boy Scouts oppose homosexuality, but ironically, the
little boys
who act like sissies at age 4 to 14 need be around other boys so they
grow and learn
the skills that ultimately allow them to bond with other boys and
ultimately with men =
and they are the very boys that are mistreated and are never given a
chance to be a
part of the male community. And for that they are ostracized and hated
for the rest
of their lives. =

6.. "Sexual Orientation" codes may open schools up to lawsuits from
parents whose children are misled into dangerous behavior.

That is like saying that if you treat racial minorities nicely, then
there is
a high risk that white daughters will marry racial minorities which are
at =
higher risk of unemployment due to discrimination. =

7.. "Sexual Orientation" codes draw more homosexual teachers to the
schools in which they are enforced.

Well, in reality, no. If the sexual orientation codes were in every
school in the world, homosexuals
would still only want to teach in or near big cities because that is
where the culture, money,
employment, education centers are located and that is what draws
homosexuals. =

8.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage homosexual teachers to be "g=

ay"

activists in the classroom, and to proudly discuss their homosexuality =

with

students.

No more than heterosexual teachers who show pictures of their children. =

9.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to the adoption of pro-homosexual=
curricula, such as pro-"gay marriage" lesson plans.

The entire world is geared to getting heterosexually married from the
moment a child is born, and the divorce rate is around 45 percent. =
Getting homosexuals married, faithful and off the streets and out of the
parks
is not all that bad is it? =

10.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to justify the pro-"gay"
indoctrination of very young children. (Homosexual activists aggressive=

defend their efforts to mold young minds, even in kindergarten.)

Hate starts early. It is one of the reasons boy babies are in blue and
girl
babies are in pink.

11.. "Sexual Orientation" codes pave the way for pro-homosexual teach=

and "diversity" training.

Education kills hate.

12.. "Sexual Orientation" codes distort traditional civil rights by
equating immoral, changeable behavior with racial, ethnic and religious=
tolerance.

Yes, because homosexuals are the most hated people on the planet but the =
problems of daily life are at the foundation of heterosexuality.
=

13.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage schoolchildren to embrace "=

gay,"

bisexual and "transgender" identities and then proudly share them with =

other

students.

School children should embrace minorities with respect not hate
regardless of their
personal beliefs.

14.. "Sexual Orientation" codes, once in place, are very difficult to=
remove.

Yes, in the same way it is now impossible to put women back in the
kitchen,
uneducated and at the mercy of the husband who may or may not treat her
well.

15.. Schools can protect all students from bullying through blanket
protection policies that do not specify special criteria, groups or
behaviors. =

Most schools today have huge budget problems. Bullying can be stopped
but it has been going on since the beginning of time and it is mostly
directed at minorities which equates to hate. =

Educators can make their schools safe for every student without
promoting the acceptance of homosexuality.
=

It is acceptable for heterosexuals to dislike homosexuals but it is =
unacceptable for heterosexuals to name call, hate, hurt, or harm any
minority
including homosexuals.
.

User: "newsguy"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	08 Apr 2006 11:01:49 PM

wrote:

http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=2876&department=CFI&categoryid=papers

Opposing 'sexual orientation' school codes is good on a number of fronts.

What these people want is the right to discriminate, that is why they
hate political correctness

1.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine students' deeply held religious
convictions. Homosexual behavior is wrong (and illegal in some states), and
is regarded as sinful by many students of various faiths and ethnic
backgrounds.

More lies, sodomy is legal in every state, any state that still has
laws on the subject have been nulled. Lawrence v. Texas (2003)
It is a physical impossibility that the Bible says one word
about homosexuality or mentions an act of homosexuality,
because they had no words for nor a concept of homosexuality
at the time the bible was written.
For a full history of the concept of homosexuality see:
Legal history
http://hnn.us/articles/1539.html
Medical history
http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/social14.htm
.

User: "Dysperdis"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 12:26:57 AM

All of this is based on one mistaken idea- the idea that homosexuality is
chosen.
Physiological differences between gay and straight men:
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7358
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/scotts/bulgarians/nature-nurture/levay.html
Reperative Therapy:
http://religioustolerance.org/hom_exod1.htm
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html
http://www.anythingbutstraight.com/learn/eghistory.html
http://www.exgaywatch.com/
Although I'm sure you won't understand a thing therein, I sat through your
hate speech, the least you can do it consider my scientifically sound
evidence.
--
I'm here, I'm Queer, Now Gimme a Beer.
t(^_^t)
-Sean, the bio-girl genderfuck lesbian
.

User: "Andrealphus"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	08 Apr 2006 09:37:42 PM

In News X4SdnUKrT-Jh8KXZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com,,
youngopinions@aol.com at youngopinions@aol.com, typed this:

The United States is not a theocracy and our civil rights are not dependent
upon the religious convictions of others.

2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like
smoking, alcohol and drug abuse,

Fewer homosexuals smoke than do heterosexuals and alcohol and drug abuse are
about the same between the two groups.
they should be discouraged.

Dangerous behavior that shortens a person's life should never be
promoted to impressionable students.
3.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to escalating homosexual
activism in schools. (This has happened in schools across the United
States.)

But yet you offer no cites for that claim, why is that?

4.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine parental rights by
enforcing a pro-"gay" orthodoxy in schools that overrides moral
lessons and beliefs taught at home.

See #1

5.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to discriminate - and
propagandize - against students and groups (like the Boy Scouts) that
oppose homosexuality.

The BSA is the one discriminating. What you mean to say is that sexual
orientation codes prevent organizations like the BSA from discriminating
based on sexual orientation. No, it doesn't, but it does prevent them from
doing so on the public dime.

6.. "Sexual Orientation" codes may open schools up to lawsuits from
parents whose children are misled into dangerous behavior.

Proof?

7.. "Sexual Orientation" codes draw more homosexual teachers to the
schools in which they are enforced.

So, if they are good teachers, what's the problem?

8.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage homosexual teachers to be
"gay" activists in the classroom, and to proudly discuss their
homosexuality with students.

Absolute nonsense.

9.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to the adoption of pro-homosexual
curricula, such as pro-"gay marriage" lesson plans.

Citation?
Well, the remainder is pretty much the same crap. Unsuported assertion.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. � Thomas Jefferson
.

User: "Stan de SD"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	08 Apr 2006 09:42:06 PM

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL11@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:Wr_Zf.4833$i41.4034@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...

2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like
smoking, alcohol and drug abuse,

Fewer homosexuals smoke than do heterosexuals and alcohol and drug abuse

are

about the same between the two groups.

Sources and cites, please?
.

User: "Bonnie B"
Title: Re: 1 Good Reasons to Oppose Stain de STD	09 Apr 2006 07:08:49 AM

On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 19:42:06 -0700, the faaaaabulous supreme deity
Tlahuizcalpantecuhtli, Ruler of the heavens and host of fab parties,
opened the heavens and shone his light upon the wisdom of "Stan de SD"
<standesd_DIGA_NO_A_SPAM@covad.net>

This is not a cite from the current, mainstream, peer-reviewed,
scientific literature which supports your constant assertions that
there are ex-gays, and that becoming an ex-gay is not only possible
but also desirable.
Thank you for conceding the argument, Stain.
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	12 Apr 2006 09:30:28 AM

Stan de SD wrote:

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL11@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:Wr_Zf.4833$i41.4034@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...

2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like
smoking, alcohol and drug abuse,

Fewer homosexuals smoke than do heterosexuals and alcohol and drug abuse

are

about the same between the two groups.

Sources and cites, please?

I asked the same thing and so far he has provided nothing. Yet he seems
to be going after cites and sources from Young. Ironic isn't it?
.

User: "james g. keegan jr."
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	12 Apr 2006 09:26:12 PM

In article <1144852228.142699.78060@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"osprey" <noneedtoknow@mail.com> wrote:

Stan de SD wrote:

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL11@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:Wr_Zf.4833$i41.4034@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...

2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like
smoking, alcohol and drug abuse,

Fewer homosexuals smoke than do heterosexuals and alcohol and
drug abuse are about the same between the two groups.

Sources and cites, please?

I asked the same thing and so far he has provided nothing. Yet he seems
to be going after cites and sources from Young. Ironic isn't it?

i have asked you for sources, cites and references to support your
lies several hundred times over the past few years. to date, you have
failed to provide any; not even in one of hundreds of instances where
you were asked to do so.
"If you are going to make the claim, prove it. "
coward bobby heishman posting as osprey
news:8912d58d.0307090126.4a25ab87@posting.google.com:
.

User: "Reasoned Insanity"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	08 Apr 2006 11:02:37 PM

"Andrealphus" <NOREALEMAIL11@THISADDRESS.FOAD> wrote in message
news:Wr_Zf.4833$i41.4034@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...

In News X4SdnUKrT-Jh8KXZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com,,
youngopinions@aol.com at youngopinions@aol.com, typed this:

The United States is not a theocracy and our civil rights are not
dependent upon the religious convictions of others.

2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like
smoking, alcohol and drug abuse,

Fewer homosexuals smoke than do heterosexuals and alcohol and drug abuse
are about the same between the two groups.

While I would like to see the original poster's sitations, I would also like
to see yours for this claim.

they should be discouraged.

But yet you offer no cites for that claim, why is that?

4.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine parental rights by
enforcing a pro-"gay" orthodoxy in schools that overrides moral
lessons and beliefs taught at home.

See #1

5.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to discriminate - and
propagandize - against students and groups (like the Boy Scouts) that
oppose homosexuality.

6.. "Sexual Orientation" codes may open schools up to lawsuits from
parents whose children are misled into dangerous behavior.

Proof?

7.. "Sexual Orientation" codes draw more homosexual teachers to the
schools in which they are enforced.

So, if they are good teachers, what's the problem?

8.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage homosexual teachers to be
"gay" activists in the classroom, and to proudly discuss their
homosexuality with students.

Absolute nonsense.

9.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to the adoption of pro-homosexual
curricula, such as pro-"gay marriage" lesson plans.

Citation?

Well, the remainder is pretty much the same crap. Unsuported assertion.

--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	12 Apr 2006 09:29:35 AM

Andrealphus wrote:

In News X4SdnUKrT-Jh8KXZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com,,
youngopinions@aol.com at youngopinions@aol.com, typed this:

The United States is not a theocracy and our civil rights are not dependent
upon the religious convictions of others.

Nor are we dependent on the thoughts and ideals of atheist.

2.. Homosexual acts are unhealthy - especially for males. Like
smoking, alcohol and drug abuse,

Fewer homosexuals smoke than do heterosexuals and alcohol and drug abuse are
about the same between the two groups.

I did some research and found absolutley nothing to support your
statement above. You could provide a cite, right?

they should be discouraged.

But yet you offer no cites for that claim, why is that?

I could say the same thing about your smoking claim with homosexuals
and heterosexuals.

4.. "Sexual Orientation" codes undermine parental rights by
enforcing a pro-"gay" orthodoxy in schools that overrides moral
lessons and beliefs taught at home.

See #1

5.. "Sexual Orientation" codes are used to discriminate - and
propagandize - against students and groups (like the Boy Scouts) that
oppose homosexuality.

The BSA is the one discriminating.

The NAACP is a discriminating group as well, are you going to include
them in your little speach?
What you mean to say is that sexual

orientation codes prevent organizations like the BSA from discriminating
based on sexual orientation. No, it doesn't, but it does prevent them from
doing so on the public dime.

6.. "Sexual Orientation" codes may open schools up to lawsuits from
parents whose children are misled into dangerous behavior.

Proof?

Proof that fewer homosexuals smoke than heterosexuals?

7.. "Sexual Orientation" codes draw more homosexual teachers to the
schools in which they are enforced.

So, if they are good teachers, what's the problem?

If they are good teachers and don't bring in their sexual preferences
in their studies, there is no problem.

8.. "Sexual Orientation" codes encourage homosexual teachers to be
"gay" activists in the classroom, and to proudly discuss their
homosexuality with students.

Absolute nonsense.

I have to agree, I have not seen anything to suggest that sexual
orientation codes encourage homosexual teachers to be gay activist in
the classroom. However, if there was anything to suggest that it be
true, then I would suggest they not teach.

9.. "Sexual Orientation" codes lead to the adoption of pro-homosexual
curricula, such as pro-"gay marriage" lesson plans.

Citation?

Citation that homosexuals smoke less than heterosexuals?

Well, the remainder is pretty much the same crap. Unsuported assertion.

--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson

User: "Attila"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 12:26:38 PM

On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:15:04 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<X4SdnUKrT-Jh8KXZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Off topic spam.
What does this have to do with abortion or the Freedom of Choice?
.

User: "Steve Knight"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	08 Apr 2006 11:00:27 PM

On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:15:04 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

So anyone with a 'belief system' should be accorded special rights
to protect themselves from everyday life.
You may have something there. I think that anyone that eats
Pepperoni on Pizza is a degenerate scum sucking piece of *****! They
will die a painful vein choking death to my laughter.
The only True Pizza is Ham and Pineapple. I KNOW this to be true
because of a vision from the IPU (PHHH) in some spaghetti I ate.
Lets kill the Homos and especially the Pepperoni eaters!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
.

User: "Boy Toy"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	08 Apr 2006 11:00:59 PM

On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 21:00:27 -0700, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote in message <u01h32lgeivrvd74riedfes7qd4pj9sj62@4ax.com>

On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 22:15:04 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:

So anyone with a 'belief system' should be accorded special rights
to protect themselves from everyday life.

You may have something there. I think that anyone that eats
Pepperoni on Pizza is a degenerate scum sucking piece of *****! They
will die a painful vein choking death to my laughter.

The only True Pizza is Ham and Pineapple. I KNOW this to be true
because of a vision from the IPU (PHHH) in some spaghetti I ate.

Lets kill the Homos and especially the Pepperoni eaters!

Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly

I find this point amusing: ""Sexual Orientation" codes are used to
discriminate - and propagandize - against students and groups (like
the Boy Scouts) that oppose homosexuality."
Translation: It discriminates against "us" because we can no longer
discriminate against "them." It's Jim Crow all over again.
ROFLMAO!
.

User: "Mark K. Bilbo"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 08:55:21 AM

Previously, on alt.atheism, youngopinions in episode
<X4SdnUKrT-Jh8KXZnZ2dnUVZ_t-dnZ2d@giganews.com>...

Opposing 'sexual orientation' school codes is good on a number of fronts.

If you good Christian types would stop beating the ***** out of people,
codes like this wouldn't be necessary...
--
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for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
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User: "The Watch Dog"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	08 Apr 2006 10:39:41 PM

Rather than go point for point, I just have to ask: do you actually
know many gay people?
I know quite a few gay people. None of them "chose" to be gay. Most of
them can remember feelings of same-sex attraction going back to their
youngest years. Many of them tried to "change" - using therapy, prayer,
and/or will power - and almost ruined their lives with the
disappointment of it all. Some almost committed suicide when they
learned that being gay was who they were. (Some gay youths, of course,
do commit suicide for just these reasons.) And frankly, it's YOUR fault
- you and people like you.
Being gay isn't a "behavior," nor is it limited to sexual actions. Gay
teenagers get crushes on people of the same sex; fall in love with
people of the same sex; fantsize about spending their lives with that
one "Mr./Ms Right" of the same sex, just as heterosexual kids think of
their future lives when they are married (to someone of the opposite
sex) with children.
Whatever causes a person to be gay (and nobdy knows for sure), it is
not a "bad habit" like smoking. It's a complete and intrinsic set of
feelings. Even famous "ex-gays" frequently admit that they haven't
really become heterosexuals; they've just learned to repress their
intrinsic feelings and pretend to be heterosexual. (That is, except for
the many "ex-gays" who are caught having gay sex.) This is a lonely way
to live. If someone wishes to choose it for religious reasons, or to
fit in with their community, that's their choice - but let's not
pretend it's anything other than it is.
There are healthy and unhealthy ways to act on one's sexual feelings,
regardless of whether you are gay or straight. Gay men may have a
higher incidence of HIV, but heterosexuals have the highest rate of
unwanted children - neither situation is healthy. (Lesbians, of course,
have the lowest incodence of both.) If gay kids learn - from people
like YOU - that they are damned, sick, disgusting, or whatever else it
is you want them to learn, they are more likely to wind up engaging in
unhealthy sexuality than if they are valued and respected.
Many people have "sincere religious beliefs" against homosexulaity.
However, now or in the past, many people also have sincere religious
beliefs against "race-mixing" (a behavior), interracial relationships
(also a behavior), women traching men (doesn't the Bible say not to do
that?), women exposing their faces and ankles, including Jews in decent
society, and so on. This is America, so everybody is entitled to their
religious beliefs. But the schools have to protect ALL their students
from bullying, insults, and disrespect, and that includes their gay
students. The schools aren't going to teach your religious values to
their students; that's up to you and your church. Instead, it is going
to teach the American values of equality and mutual respect. And it's
going to teach them with specific eamples - about the way blacks were
treated during segregation, women were treated before suffrage, and
gays are treated today. Otherwise it's all just lip service. If they're
afraid to mention gays, that send the message that gays are not
deserving of equality.
Go out, meet some real live gay people (not just the lab rats in the
ex-gay movement), and learn what their lives are really like. While
you're at it, learn something about straight people - how they're not
all the same, and how their sexual feelings can ALSO get them into
trouble if they're not careful. Then give up your cut-and-paste
propaganda war and start treating people with compassion, decency, and
humility. Isn't that what Jesus preached?
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 05:18:55 AM

"The Watch Dog" <tirhuan@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1144553981.423945.112470@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Rather than go point for point, I just have to ask: do you actually
know many gay people?

Knew of some.

I know quite a few gay people. None of them "chose" to be gay.

Nah.

Most of them can remember feelings of same-sex attraction going back to
their
youngest years. Many of them tried to "change" - using therapy, prayer,
and/or will power - and almost ruined their lives with the
disappointment of it all. Some almost committed suicide when they
learned that being gay was who they were. (Some gay youths, of course,
do commit suicide for just these reasons.) And frankly, it's YOUR fault
- you and people like you.

Nah.

Being gay isn't a "behavior," nor is it limited to sexual actions. Gay
teenagers get crushes on people of the same sex; fall in love with
people of the same sex; fantsize about spending their lives with that
one "Mr./Ms Right" of the same sex, just as heterosexual kids think of
their future lives when they are married (to someone of the opposite
sex) with children.

Sick. Weird. Aberrant.

Whatever causes a person to be gay (and nobdy knows for sure), it is
not a "bad habit" like smoking.

It's worse.

It's a complete and intrinsic set of
feelings. Even famous "ex-gays" frequently admit that they haven't
really become heterosexuals; they've just learned to repress their
intrinsic feelings and pretend to be heterosexual. (That is, except for
the many "ex-gays" who are caught having gay sex.) This is a lonely way
to live. If someone wishes to choose it for religious reasons, or to
fit in with their community, that's their choice - but let's not
pretend it's anything other than it is.

Unnatural. Weird. Aberrant.

There are healthy and unhealthy ways to act on one's sexual feelings,
regardless of whether you are gay or straight. Gay men may have a
higher incidence of HIV,

Yes.

but heterosexuals have the highest rate of
unwanted children

Since when? Since after Roe V Wade?
Numbskull.

- neither situation is healthy. (Lesbians, of course,
have the lowest incodence of both.)

Actually lesbiasn do not have the lowest incidence rate of sicknesses or
unwanted children.
Heterosexuals like me do.

If gay kids learn - from people
like YOU -

Their parents weren't gay were they?

that they are damned, sick, disgusting, or whatever else it
is you want them to learn, they are more likely to wind up engaging in
unhealthy sexuality than if they are valued and respected.

Many people have "sincere religious beliefs" against homosexulaity.
However, now or in the past, many people also have sincere religious
beliefs against "race-mixing" (a behavior), interracial relationships
(also a behavior), women traching men (doesn't the Bible say not to do
that?), women exposing their faces and ankles, including Jews in decent
society, and so on. This is America, so everybody is entitled to their
religious beliefs. But the schools have to protect ALL their students
from bullying, insults, and disrespect, and that includes their gay
students. The schools aren't going to teach your religious values to
their students; that's up to you and your church. Instead, it is going
to teach the American values of equality and mutual respect. And it's
going to teach them with specific eamples - about the way blacks were
treated during segregation, women were treated before suffrage, and
gays are treated today. Otherwise it's all just lip service. If they're
afraid to mention gays, that send the message that gays are not
deserving of equality.

Unequal behavior does not earn equal treatment.

Go out, meet some real live gay people

Why? I have done that before. Do you notice how much business falls after a
gay is let in?

(not just the lab rats in the ex-gay movement),

A rat to you in this case is someone who is your enemy because he or she
tells the real truth about the aberrant, deviant, subversiveness of gays.

and learn what their lives are really like.

If they are GAY, no one really cares much. "Go Away Gay" is the order of the
day.
If after so many years you haven't figured that one yet, you are stupider
than dirt or a brick wall.

While you're at it, learn something about straight people - how they're
not
all the same, and how their sexual feelings can ALSO get them into
trouble if they're not careful. Then give up your cut-and-paste
propaganda war and start treating people with compassion, decency, and
humility.

Why aren't gays setting the esxample in those areas?
Another crybaby ***** rant.

Isn't that what Jesus preached?

Not really.
.

User: "DanielSan"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality)Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 12:02:04 PM

Johnny wrote:

"The Watch Dog" <tirhuan@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1144553981.423945.112470@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Rather than go point for point, I just have to ask: do you actually
know many gay people?

Knew of some.

I know a great deal of them. I even work next to a lesbian at my job.
She is very "out."

I know quite a few gay people. None of them "chose" to be gay.

Nah.

Yes. She never "chose" to be gay and she never lies... she's honest to
the point of being rudely blunt, but she has never "chosen" to be gay.

Nah.

It is when you call what they are "wrong."

Sick. Weird. Aberrant.

Keep your hate-filled opinions to yourself. No one wants to hear them
in a civilized world.

Whatever causes a person to be gay (and nobdy knows for sure), it is
not a "bad habit" like smoking.

It's worse.

Why? Do you think homosexuality is contagious?

Unnatural.

Wrong. It's perfectly natural.

Weird. Aberrant.

Then don't do it.

There are healthy and unhealthy ways to act on one's sexual feelings,
regardless of whether you are gay or straight. Gay men may have a
higher incidence of HIV,

Yes.

Not due to their practices, but due to the extraordinary amount of
disinformation coming from folks like yourself.

but heterosexuals have the highest rate of
unwanted children

Since when? Since after Roe V Wade?
Numbskull.

I doubt that homosexual couples will result in children that arise from
that coupling.

- neither situation is healthy. (Lesbians, of course,
have the lowest incodence of both.)

Actually lesbiasn do not have the lowest incidence rate of sicknesses or
unwanted children.

Howso?

Heterosexuals like me do.

Actually, heterosexual coupling has the highest incidence of childbirth
than homosexual coupling. Please learn reproduction.

If gay kids learn - from people
like YOU -

Their parents weren't gay were they?

Most likely not.

that they are damned, sick, disgusting, or whatever else it
is you want them to learn, they are more likely to wind up engaging in
unhealthy sexuality than if they are valued and respected.

No response to this, I see.

Many people have "sincere religious beliefs" against homosexulaity.
However, now or in the past, many people also have sincere religious
beliefs against "race-mixing" (a behavior), interracial relationships
(also a behavior), women traching men (doesn't the Bible say not to do
that?), women exposing their faces and ankles, including Jews in decent
society, and so on. This is America, so everybody is entitled to their
religious beliefs. But the schools have to protect ALL their students
from bullying, insults, and disrespect, and that includes their gay
students. The schools aren't going to teach your religious values to
their students; that's up to you and your church. Instead, it is going
to teach the American values of equality and mutual respect. And it's
going to teach them with specific eamples - about the way blacks were
treated during segregation, women were treated before suffrage, and
gays are treated today. Otherwise it's all just lip service. If they're
afraid to mention gays, that send the message that gays are not
deserving of equality.

Unequal behavior does not earn equal treatment.

What do you mean by "unequal behavior"? Please expound.

Go out, meet some real live gay people

Why? I have done that before. Do you notice how much business falls after a
gay is let in?

No, I do not. Please provide evidence.

(not just the lab rats in the ex-gay movement),

A rat to you in this case is someone who is your enemy because he or she
tells the real truth about the aberrant, deviant, subversiveness of gays.

What "abberance," "deviance," or "subversiveness" are you referring to?
Please elaborate.

and learn what their lives are really like.

If they are GAY, no one really cares much. "Go Away Gay" is the order of the
day.
If after so many years you haven't figured that one yet, you are stupider
than dirt or a brick wall.

When unable to debate, the interlocutor resorts to insults. How
pathetically predictable.

Why aren't gays setting the esxample in those areas?
Another crybaby ***** rant.

Gays _ARE_ setting examples in those areas. You are just too blinded by
your hatred to see that.

Isn't that what Jesus preached?

Not really.

Actually, Jesus said to love everyone. I have not seen a single quote
from Jesus excoriating homosexuality. Perhaps you have a Bible verse,
but I do not.
--
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*--------------------------------------------------*
* "Torture has never been a reliable means of *
* extracting information.... One wonders why it *
* is still practiced." --Jean-Luc Picard *
****************************************************
--
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User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	09 Apr 2006 08:50:33 PM

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:44393cbd$0$15305$6d36acad@taz.nntpserver.com...

Johnny wrote:

"The Watch Dog" <tirhuan@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1144553981.423945.112470@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Rather than go point for point, I just have to ask: do you actually
know many gay people?

Knew of some.

I know a great deal of them. I even work next to a lesbian at my job. She
is very "out."

I know quite a few gay people. None of them "chose" to be gay.

Nah.

Yes. She never "chose" to be gay and she never lies... she's honest to
the point of being rudely blunt, but she has never "chosen" to be gay.

Nah.

It is when you call what they are "wrong."

Sick. Weird. Aberrant.

Keep your hate-filled opinions to yourself. No one wants to hear them in
a civilized world.

Whatever causes a person to be gay (and nobdy knows for sure), it is
not a "bad habit" like smoking.

It's worse.

Why? Do you think homosexuality is contagious?

Unnatural.

Wrong. It's perfectly natural.

Weird. Aberrant.

Then don't do it.

There are healthy and unhealthy ways to act on one's sexual feelings,
regardless of whether you are gay or straight. Gay men may have a
higher incidence of HIV,

Yes.

Not due to their practices, but due to the extraordinary amount of
disinformation coming from folks like yourself.

but heterosexuals have the highest rate of
unwanted children

Since when? Since after Roe V Wade?
Numbskull.

I doubt that homosexual couples will result in children that arise from
that coupling.

- neither situation is healthy. (Lesbians, of course,
have the lowest incodence of both.)

Actually lesbiasn do not have the lowest incidence rate of sicknesses or
unwanted children.

Howso?

Heterosexuals like me do.

Actually, heterosexual coupling has the highest incidence of childbirth
than homosexual coupling. Please learn reproduction.

If gay kids learn - from people
like YOU -

Their parents weren't gay were they?

Most likely not.

that they are damned, sick, disgusting, or whatever else it
is you want them to learn, they are more likely to wind up engaging in
unhealthy sexuality than if they are valued and respected.

No response to this, I see.

Unequal behavior does not earn equal treatment.

What do you mean by "unequal behavior"? Please expound.

Go out, meet some real live gay people

Why? I have done that before. Do you notice how much business falls after
a gay is let in?

No, I do not. Please provide evidence.

(not just the lab rats in the ex-gay movement),

A rat to you in this case is someone who is your enemy because he or she
tells the real truth about the aberrant, deviant, subversiveness of gays.

What "abberance," "deviance," or "subversiveness" are you referring to?
Please elaborate.

No thanks.
Why should I give away the knowledge I have that defeats you in this?
I would rather keep it a secret to be revelaed to people who are like me
while you stay in confusion as to what I really know.
I am not here to free you into more gayness.

and learn what their lives are really like.

If they are GAY, no one really cares much. "Go Away Gay" is the order of
the day.
If after so many years you haven't figured that one yet, you are stupider
than dirt or a brick wall.

When unable to debate, the interlocutor resorts to insults. How
pathetically predictable.

Insult?
How about stop denying the truth and figure it out for yourself.

Why aren't gays setting the esxample in those areas?
Another crybaby ***** rant.

Gays _ARE_ setting examples in those areas.

To whom?

You are just too blinded by your hatred to see that.

You are too blind to the evils that they cause to be a good person.

Isn't that what Jesus preached?

Not really.

Actually, Jesus said to love everyone.

When?
You got a verbatim quote for that?

I have not seen a single quote from Jesus excoriating homosexuality.

So, you think that Jesus was the only Prophet?

Perhaps you have a Bible verse, but I do not.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!
There are many verses in the Bible.
.

User: "The Watch Dog"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	10 Apr 2006 01:20:00 AM

Johnny wrote:

What "abberance," "deviance," or "subversiveness" are you referring to?
Please elaborate.

Ah. So you think the will of God is best served by concealing the
truth. And that gays and their supporters would be aided if the truth
were known.
Interesting.
.

User: "Johnny"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	10 Apr 2006 08:14:45 AM

"The Watch Dog" <tirhuan@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1144650000.444028.260060@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

Johnny wrote:

What "abberance," "deviance," or "subversiveness" are you referring to?
Please elaborate.

Ah. So you think the will of God is best served by concealing the
truth. And that gays and their supporters would be aided if the truth
were known.

Not quite the situation.

Interesting.

Yes. It is interesting.
If you keep on wondering if someone actually knows about any and all crimes
that you commit, then you don;t know whether to cover them up or not.
And, if you don't cover them up well enough then someone sees the evidence.
So, here is the catch 22. What will you do?
LOL!
Can you spend your time committing crimes and covering them up, or do you
want to join in productive activities rather than wimpy gay ***** which does
nothing to add to the nation's wealth?
.

User: "Dubh Ghall"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	10 Apr 2006 05:56:08 PM

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 09:14:45 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com> wrote:

If you keep on wondering if someone actually knows about any and all crimes
that you commit, then you don;t know whether to cover them up or not.
And, if you don't cover them up well enough then someone sees the evidence.
So, here is the catch 22. What will you do?
LOL!
Can you spend your time committing crimes and covering them up, or do you
want to join in productive activities rather than wimpy gay ***** which does
nothing to add to the nation's wealth?

That's a bit garbled.
Still.
If someone knows all of my indiscretions, and they go back many years, and has
said nothing to me, about them: Why should I concern my self?
Clearly, whoever knows, either approves, or is indifferent.
Where s/he otherwise, something would have been said, by now.
.

User: "Bernard Hubbard"
Title: Re: 15 Good Reasons to Oppose 'Sexual Orientation' (Homosexuality) Codes in Schools	10 Apr 2006 03:51:42 AM

On Sun, 9 Apr 2006 21:50:33 -0400, "Johnny" <wxpprofessional@msn.com>
wrote:

"DanielSan" <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote in message
news:44393cbd$0$15305$6d36acad@taz.nntpserver.com...

Johnny wrote:

"The Watch Dog" <tirhuan@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1144553981.423945.112470@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...

Rather than go point for point, I just have to ask: do you actually
know many gay people?

Knew of some.

I know a great deal of them. I even work next to a lesbian at my job. She
is very "out."

I know quite a few gay people. None of them "chose" to be gay.

Nah.

Yes. She never "chose" to be gay and she never lies... she's honest to
the point of being rudely blunt, but she has never "chosen" to be gay.

Nah.

It is when you call what they are "wrong."

Sick. Weird. Aberrant.

Keep your hate-filled opinions to yourself. No one wants to hear them in
a civilized world.

Whatever causes a person to be gay (and nobdy knows for sure), it is
not a "bad habit" like smoking.

It's worse.

Why? Do you think homosexuality is contagious?

Unnatural.

Wrong. It's perfectly natural.

Weird. Aberrant.

Then don't do it.

There are healthy and unhealthy ways to act on one's sexual feelings,
regardless of whether you are gay or straight. Gay men may have a
higher incidence of HIV,

Yes.

Not due to their practices, but due to the extraordinary amount of
disinformation coming from folks like yourself.

but heterosexuals have the highest rate of
unwanted children

Since when? Since after Roe V Wade?
Numbskull.

I doubt that homosexual couples will result in children that arise from
that coupling.

- neither situation is healthy. (Lesbians, of course,
have the lowest incodence of both.)

Actually lesbiasn do not have the lowest incidence rate of sicknesses or
unwanted children.

Howso?

Heterosexuals like me do.

Actually, heterosexual coupling has the highest incidence of childbirth
than homosexual coupling. Please learn reproduction.

If gay kids learn - from people
like YOU -

Their parents weren't gay were they?

Most likely not.

that they are damned, sick, disgusting, or whatever else it
is you want them to learn, they are more likely to wind up engaging in
unhealthy sexuality than if they are valued and respected.

No response to this, I see.

Unequal behavior does not earn equal treatment.

What do you mean by "unequal behavior"? Please expound.

Go out, meet some real live gay people

Why? I have done that before. Do you notice how much business falls after
a gay is let in?

No, I do not. Please provide evidence.

(not just the lab rats in the ex-gay movement),

A rat to you in this case is someone who is your enemy because he or she
tells the real truth about the aberrant, deviant, subversiveness of gays.

What "abberance," "deviance," or "subversiveness" are you referring to?
Please elaborate.

and learn what their lives are really like.

If they are GAY, no one really cares much. "Go Away Gay" is the order of
the day.
If after so many years you haven't figured that one yet, you are stupider
than dirt or a brick wall.

When unable to debate, the interlocutor resorts to insults. How
pathetically predictable.

Insult?
How about stop denying the truth and figure it out for yourself.

Why aren't gays setting the esxample in those areas?
Another crybaby ***** rant.

Gays _ARE_ setting examples in those areas.

To whom?

You are just too blinded by your hatred to see that.

You are too blind to the evils that they cause to be a good person.

Isn't that what Jesus preached?

Not really.

Actually, Jesus said to love everyone.

When?
You got a verbatim quote for that?

I have not seen a single quote from Jesus excoriating homosexuality.

So, you think that Jesus was the only Prophet?

Perhaps you have a Bible verse, but I do not.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!
There are many verses in the Bible.

Yes but none appear in the Gospels which are the most accurate details
about the life of Jesus. According to the Bible Jesus never made any
reference to homosexuality. You may wish interpret some verses in
various Epistles (particularly Paul's) as being anti-gay but since
Paul never met Jesus what would he know what Jesus ever said. BTW
Paul was anti-marriage as well as being anti-women.

--
"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus
handicapped."~Elbert Hubbard to quote a relative of mine.
Bernard Hubbard
.