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15 Shippensburg biology professors agree: ID isn't science |
15 Shippensburg University biology profs have submitted a letter to
the York Daily Record voicing their concerns over ID:
From the article:
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With this letter we want to express our deep concern and opposition to
the Dover Area School Board’s decision to add the concept of
intelligent design to the biology curriculum.
As professors of biology, we find the teaching of ID in the schools of
Pennsylvania as part of the science curriculum to be inappropriate.
The introduction of the ID concept, taught as if it were a valid
alternative scientific theory to classic evolutionary theory, will do
a monumental disservice to the students in your district.
With this change in the curriculum, instead of science, students are
given fringe beliefs and unsubstantiated speculations.
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/opinion/58516/
J. Spaceman
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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15 Shippensburg University biology profs have submitted a letter to
the York Daily Record voicing their concerns over ID:
From the article:
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With this letter we want to express our deep concern and opposition to
the Dover Area School Board's decision to add the concept of
intelligent design to the biology curriculum.
As professors of biology, we find the teaching of ID in the schools of
Pennsylvania as part of the science curriculum to be inappropriate.
The introduction of the ID concept, taught as if it were a valid
alternative scientific theory to classic evolutionary theory, will do
a monumental disservice to the students in your district.
With this change in the curriculum, instead of science, students are
given fringe beliefs and unsubstantiated speculations.
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/opinion/58516/
That's my Alma Mater!!
DJT
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13 Feb 2005 05:21:32 AM |
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Also, several members of the Millersville University physics faculty
have signed a letter to the Dover school board:
From the article:
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An open letter to the Dover Area School Board in York County:
As scientist, scholars and teachers, we are compelled to point out
that the quality of science education in your schools has been
seriously compromised by the decision to mandate the teaching of
"intelligent design" along with evolution. Science education should be
based on ideas that are well supported by evidence. Intelligent design
does not meet this criterion: It is a form of creationism propped up
by a biased and selective view of the evidence.
In contrast, evolution is based on and supported by an immense and
diverse array of evidence and is continually being tested and
reaffirmed by new discoveries from many scientific fields. The
evidence for evolution is so strong that important new areas of
biological research are confidently and successfully based on the
reality of evolution. For example, evolution is fundamental to
genomics and bioinformatics, new fields which hold the promise of
great medical discoveries.
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Read it at http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126990
J. Spaceman
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13 Feb 2005 05:32:52 PM |
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"Jason Spaceman" <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in message
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Also, several members of the Millersville University physics faculty
have signed a letter to the Dover school board:
From the article:
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An open letter to the Dover Area School Board in York County:
As scientist, scholars and teachers, we are compelled to point out
that the quality of science education in your schools has been
seriously compromised by the decision to mandate the teaching of
"intelligent design" along with evolution. Science education should be
based on ideas that are well supported by evidence. Intelligent design
does not meet this criterion: It is a form of creationism propped up
by a biased and selective view of the evidence.
In contrast, evolution is based on and supported by an immense and
diverse array of evidence and is continually being tested and
reaffirmed by new discoveries from many scientific fields. The
evidence for evolution is so strong that important new areas of
biological research are confidently and successfully based on the
reality of evolution. For example, evolution is fundamental to
genomics and bioinformatics, new fields which hold the promise of
great medical discoveries.
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Read it at http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126990
J. Spaceman
What? No Steves?
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13 Feb 2005 08:28:26 AM |
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Jason Spaceman <notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote in
news:7udu01lvboh2hsq6utjhteu7cbhaorpenh@4ax.com:
Also, several members of the Millersville University physics faculty
have signed a letter to the Dover school board:
From the article:
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An open letter to the Dover Area School Board in York County:
As scientist, scholars and teachers, we are compelled to point out
that the quality of science education in your schools has been
seriously compromised by the decision to mandate the teaching of
"intelligent design" along with evolution. Science education should be
based on ideas that are well supported by evidence. Intelligent design
does not meet this criterion: It is a form of creationism propped up
by a biased and selective view of the evidence.
In contrast, evolution is based on and supported by an immense and
diverse array of evidence and is continually being tested and
reaffirmed by new discoveries from many scientific fields. The
evidence for evolution is so strong that important new areas of
biological research are confidently and successfully based on the
reality of evolution. For example, evolution is fundamental to
genomics and bioinformatics, new fields which hold the promise of
great medical discoveries.
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Read it at http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126990
J. Spaceman
OK, what about this?
Most of us here think they are correct, no doubt. But in fact, wouldn't
relying on this letter be akin to relying on a cadre of dentists and
engineers who claim evolution is bunk? Where is the philosophical
differencee please? As I say, I obviously agree with them, but isn't
this a case of an argument from (misplaced) authority, since they are
outside their specialty in discussing evolution?
I would exclude their discussion of ID as science. As scientists, they
are obvioulsy qualified to judge whether ID falls into their bailiwick
or not.
Chris
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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13 Feb 2005 05:10:15 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:28:26 GMT, Chris Thompson
<rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
Most of us here think they are correct, no doubt. But in fact, wouldn't
relying on this letter be akin to relying on a cadre of dentists and
engineers who claim evolution is bunk? Where is the philosophical
differencee please? As I say, I obviously agree with them, but isn't
this a case of an argument from (misplaced) authority, since they are
outside their specialty in discussing evolution?
"The Second Law of Thermodynamics makes evolution impossible." Look
familiar? It's physics.
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14 Feb 2005 12:09:29 PM |
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Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:28:26 GMT, Chris Thompson
<rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
[snip]
"The Second Law of Thermodynamics makes evolution impossible." Look
familiar? It's physics.
That assertion does look and feel familiar under my shoes. It also
smells familiar. This assertion is bulls**t, not physics.
Can you point me to a college-level *physics* textbook of, say, the
last 100 years that makes this claim for the 2LoT? Can you tell me
where this research conclusion is published in standard physics
journals of, say, the last 100 years?
I thought not. But perhaps you were being sarcastic (or testing your
irony meter) in the first place.
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14 Feb 2005 04:15:40 PM |
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<hersheyh@indiana.edu> wrote:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:28:26 GMT, Chris Thompson
<rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
[snip]
"The Second Law of Thermodynamics makes evolution impossible." Look
familiar? It's physics.
That assertion does look and feel familiar under my shoes. It also
smells familiar. This assertion is bulls**t, not physics.
Can you point me to a college-level *physics* textbook of, say, the
last 100 years that makes this claim for the 2LoT? Can you tell me
where this research conclusion is published in standard physics
journals of, say, the last 100 years?
I thought not. But perhaps you were being sarcastic (or testing your
irony meter) in the first place.
Given the source, I expect the former...
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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14 Feb 2005 04:48:25 PM |
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On 14 Feb 2005 10:09:29 -0800, said in
alt.atheism:
Al Klein wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:28:26 GMT, Chris Thompson
<rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> said in alt.atheism:
[snip]
"The Second Law of Thermodynamics makes evolution impossible." Look
familiar? It's physics.
That assertion does look and feel familiar under my shoes. It also
smells familiar. This assertion is bulls**t, not physics.
Can you point me to a college-level *physics* textbook of, say, the
last 100 years that makes this claim for the 2LoT? Can you tell me
where this research conclusion is published in standard physics
journals of, say, the last 100 years?
I guess I should have noted that this is one of the classical
cretinist claims. Maybe a </cretinist> after it?
I thought not. But perhaps you were being sarcastic
Sort of. I certainly wasn't claiming that the claim had any merit. :)
I just meant that their claims sometimes do refer to physics. In a
totally ludicrous way.
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14 Feb 2005 05:08:40 PM |
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Lets hand it to the biologists! Of all the scientists who are members
of the National Academy of Science, the group with the highest
percentage of atheists is the biologists.
Three Cheers!
Charles
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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13 Feb 2005 09:20:04 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 14:28:26 GMT, Chris Thompson
<rockwallaby@REMOVEhotmail.com> wrote:
OK, what about this?
Most of us here think they are correct, no doubt. But in fact, wouldn't
relying on this letter be akin to relying on a cadre of dentists and
engineers who claim evolution is bunk? Where is the philosophical
differencee please? As I say, I obviously agree with them, but isn't
this a case of an argument from (misplaced) authority, since they are
outside their specialty in discussing evolution?
I would exclude their discussion of ID as science. As scientists, they
are obvioulsy qualified to judge whether ID falls into their bailiwick
or not.
The problem is that their intended audience is too ignorant and has
too short an attention span to grasp the actual arguments. They let
other people they trust and believe do their thinking for them - what
works is argument from authority.
But unfortunately they don't regard biology professors as authorities
in their own field. The liars who tell them what to think have
convinced them that it is another, false, religion that attempts to
compete with their own Revealed Truth (TM).
I don't think anything will work on them. It needs education they
simply haven't had. We've lost a generation to ignorance, and they are
making sure the same thing happens to future generations by preventing
their education too.
Chris
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13 Feb 2005 05:11:56 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 10:20:04 -0500, "Christopher A. Lee"
<calee@optonline.net> said in alt.atheism:
I don't think anything will work on them. It needs education they
simply haven't had.
And won't get if their uneducated parents are allowed to keep their
own kids from being educated.
We've lost a generation to ignorance, and they are
making sure the same thing happens to future generations by preventing
their education too.
Exactly. And it's difficult to break cycles, as we see from 5th
generation welfare recipients.
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13 Feb 2005 10:32:59 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
But unfortunately they don't regard biology professors as authorities
in their own field.
Unless they find one that's a creationist, in which case his authority
outweighs a whole army of biologists who aren't.
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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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13 Feb 2005 12:44:27 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
But unfortunately they don't regard biology professors as authorities
in their own field.
Unless they find one that's a creationist, in which case his authority
outweighs a whole army of biologists who aren't.
Are there any? I would have thought it impossible to be a biologist at
that level because it is incompatible with creationism.
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13 Feb 2005 01:36:08 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
But unfortunately they don't regard biology professors as authorities
in their own field.
Unless they find one that's a creationist, in which case his authority
outweighs a whole army of biologists who aren't.
Are there any? I would have thought it impossible to be a biologist at
that level because it is incompatible with creationism.
Behe is a tenured biochemist. I don't know of anything closer than that.
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Bobby Bryant
Austin, Texas
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13 Feb 2005 06:13:42 PM |
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Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 16:32:59 +0000 (UTC),
(Bobby D. Bryant) wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005, "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
But unfortunately they don't regard biology professors as authorities
in their own field.
Unless they find one that's a creationist, in which case his authority
outweighs a whole army of biologists who aren't.
Are there any? I would have thought it impossible to be a biologist at
that level because it is incompatible with creationism.
Behe is a tenured biochemist. I don't know of anything closer than that.
I dont know what you know about the field of biochemistry but that is
akin to saying organic chemistlry is supportive of historical
eveolution... But the field of biochemestry is an application of
chemistry field. the most famous person I knew of was Issac Assimov.
He was a Dr of Biochemistry. He said it was the study of cellular
interactions and chemistry. It doen't have much to do with genetics.
A real biochemist could explain more about it. I'm ust a fellow they
tried to convince me I should be one. I liked programming more.
josephus
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13 Feb 2005 09:59:54 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 06:21:32 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
Also, several members of the Millersville University physics faculty
have signed a letter to the Dover school board:
From the article:
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An open letter to the Dover Area School Board in York County:
As scientist, scholars and teachers, we are compelled to point out
that the quality of science education in your schools has been
seriously compromised by the decision to mandate the teaching of
"intelligent design" along with evolution. Science education should be
based on ideas that are well supported by evidence. Intelligent design
does not meet this criterion: It is a form of creationism propped up
by a biased and selective view of the evidence.
In contrast, evolution is based on and supported by an immense and
diverse array of evidence and is continually being tested and
reaffirmed by new discoveries from many scientific fields. The
evidence for evolution is so strong that important new areas of
biological research are confidently and successfully based on the
reality of evolution. For example, evolution is fundamental to
genomics and bioinformatics, new fields which hold the promise of
great medical discoveries.
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Read it at http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126990
REDNOVA NEWS
'Intelligent Design' Misleads
Editor, New Era:
An open letter to the Dover Area School Board in York County:
As scientist, scholars and teachers, we are compelled to point out
that the quality of science education in your schools has been
seriously compromised by the decision to mandate the teaching of
"intelligent design" along with evolution. Science education should be
based on ideas that are well supported by evidence. Intelligent design
does not meet this criterion: It is a form of creationism propped up
by a biased and selective view of the evidence.
In contrast, evolution is based on and supported by an immense and
diverse array of evidence and is continually being tested and
reaffirmed by new discoveries from many scientific fields. The
evidence for evolution is so strong that important new areas of
biological research are confidently and successfully based on the
reality of evolution. For example, evolution is fundamental to
genomics and bioinformatics, new fields which hold the promise of
great medical discoveries.
According to the Nov. 23 York Daily Record, you issued a statement
claiming that "Darwin's Theory is a theory, it is still being tested
as new evidence is discovered. The theory is not a fact. Gaps in the
theory exist for which there is no evidence." This is extraordinarily
misleading.
While one can refer to the general body of modern evolutionary
knowledge as "theory," the same is true of all other scientific
knowledge, such as the theory of relativity or the theory of
continental drift. It is one of the hallmarks of scientific inquiry
that all such ideas are open to testing and reinterpretation. That
theories are open to testing, however, does not mean that they are
wrong. Evolution has been subject to well over a century of continual
testing. The result: Its reality is no more in dispute among
biologists than, for example, the existence of atoms and molecules is
among chemists.
Our students need to be taught the method and content of real science.
We urge you to alter the misguided policy of teaching intelligent
design creationism in your high school science curriculum. Instead,
empower students with real, dependable scientific knowledge. They need
this knowledge to understand the world around them, to compete for
admission to colleges and universities, and to compete for good jobs.
They deserve nothing less.
Michael J. Nolan
Professor and Chairman
Department of Physics
Millersville University
(Editor's note: Letter co-signed by MU physics professors Patrick J.
Cooney, John W. Dooley, C.W. Price, Natalia Dushkina and Tariq
Gilani.)
(Copyright 2005 Lancaster Newspapers)
Story from REDNOVA NEWS:
http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=126990
Published: 2005/02/12 03:00:37 CST
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13 Feb 2005 06:57:42 PM |
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I think I screwed up, the subject heading should be '16 Shippensburg
biology professors agree: ID isn't science'. At the bottom of the
article it reads:
"Pablo Delis is an assistant professor in the Shippensburg University
biology department. This letter was also signed by 15 other professors
in the university’s biology department."
So the letter was signed by Delis and 15 others. Delis + 15 others =
16. Or something like that.
J. Spaceman
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13 Feb 2005 03:58:14 AM |
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Jason Spaceman bolted into alt.atheism, wreathed in wicked, white hot flames,
and screamed...
15 Shippensburg University biology profs have submitted a letter to
the York Daily Record voicing their concerns over ID:
From the article:
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With this letter we want to express our deep concern and opposition to
the Dover Area School Board’s decision to add the concept of
intelligent design to the biology curriculum.
As professors of biology, we find the teaching of ID in the schools of
Pennsylvania as part of the science curriculum to be inappropriate.
The introduction of the ID concept, taught as if it were a valid
alternative scientific theory to classic evolutionary theory, will do
a monumental disservice to the students in your district.
With this change in the curriculum, instead of science, students are
given fringe beliefs and unsubstantiated speculations.
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/opinion/58516/
J. Spaceman
As a theist, may I add that I agree. ID is *not* science. It is not a
scientific theory, defined as a theory that is intended to be verified and
corroborated through multiple experiments. Until the think tank creationists
can come up with an ID experiment for the kiddies to do, they should keep it in
the Church.
My 2 cents, of course.
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Zag
I thought I could organize freedom, how very
Scandinavian of me. ...Björk
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13 Feb 2005 09:58:55 PM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:06:34 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
15 Shippensburg University biology profs have submitted a letter to
the York Daily Record voicing their concerns over ID:
The Dover Board doesn't care about anything but decimating education.
From the article:
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With this letter we want to express our deep concern and opposition to
the Dover Area School Board’s decision to add the concept of
intelligent design to the biology curriculum.
As professors of biology, we find the teaching of ID in the schools of
Pennsylvania as part of the science curriculum to be inappropriate.
The introduction of the ID concept, taught as if it were a valid
alternative scientific theory to classic evolutionary theory, will do
a monumental disservice to the students in your district.
With this change in the curriculum, instead of science, students are
given fringe beliefs and unsubstantiated speculations.
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/opinion/58516/
Shippensburg professors: ‘Let science be science’
PABLO DELIS
Sunday, February 13, 2005
With this letter we want to express our deep concern and opposition to
the Dover Area School Board’s decision to add the concept of
intelligent design to the biology curriculum.
As professors of biology, we find the teaching of ID in the schools of
Pennsylvania as part of the science curriculum to be inappropriate.
The introduction of the ID concept, taught as if it were a valid
alternative scientific theory to classic evolutionary theory, will do
a monumental disservice to the students in your district.
With this change in the curriculum, instead of science, students are
given fringe beliefs and unsubstantiated speculations.
Administrators or teachers enacting this modification of the
curriculum are presenting students with misinformation about the
content and process of science.
They are eroding the academic preparation of the students and
diminishing their chances for a successful professional and academic
future.
The concept of intelligent design is not scientific. ID cannot be
investigated using the scientific method. ID is not based on objective
evidence. ID cannot be falsified through experimentation or realistic
predictions. ID is not a competing theory for evolution. ID has not
and is not being taught, as a biology concept, in any university with
objective scientific standards. ID is not found in any respectable
biology textbooks as accepted science. ID is “modern” creationism.
Intelligent design is a veiled strategy to teach religion instead of
science.
Arguably, ID may be appropriate in a philosophy or comparative
theology course but not as part of the science/biology curriculum.
Theological themes, philosophical arguments, common beliefs, moral
points of view and ethical controversies are a fitting part of a
well-rounded social/cultural curriculum but not part of science
education.
Science is based on a strict series of steps widely known as the
“scientific method.”
The teachers in your district, as good professionals, know this very
well. The scientific method requires falsifiable hypotheses and
objective and accepted testing methodology.
The concept of intelligent design implies by logical inference an
“intelligent designer,” supreme being, all mighty, deity. These
“ideals” are all various versions of God. Science cannot investigate
the belief in God because a supernatural force is, by definition, not
amenable to experimentation using the scientific method, and,
therefore is not science.
We expect our freshman students to arrive at college with the best
possible academic background, including a solid understanding of the
scientific method and a clear idea of what science is and is not.
In a time of unprecedented discovery and technical advances, from the
human genome to nanotechnology, we should not have to revisit once
more these misrepresentations in science.
We should not be fighting cultural and scientific wars that were
resolved, in legal and experimental grounds, over 60 years ago.
Let science be science.
For the sake of the students, we urge you to reconsider your decision
and return to the original scientific standards of biology in your
curriculum.
Pablo Delis is an assistant professor in the Shippensburg University
biology department. This letter was also signed by 15 other professors
in the university’s biology department.
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| Title: Re: 15 Shippensburg biology professors agree: ID isn't science |
14 Feb 2005 06:46:13 AM |
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stoney wrote:
On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 03:06:34 -0500, Jason Spaceman
<notreally@jspaceman.homelinux.org> wrote:
15 Shippensburg University biology profs have submitted a letter to
the York Daily Record voicing their concerns over ID:
The Dover Board doesn't care about anything but decimating education.
Really? That is the only thing they care about? Not their
families or money, or religion or sex? Just decimating
education? That would seem to be an extraordinary claim.
From the article:
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With this letter we want to express our deep concern and opposition
to
the Dover Area School Board's decisi on to add the concept of
intelligent design to the biology curriculum.
As professors of biology, we find the teaching of ID in the schools
of
Pennsylvania as part of the science curriculum to be inappropriate.
The introduction of the I D concept, taught as if it were a valid
alternative scientific theory to classic evolutionary theory, will
do
a monumental disservice to the students in your district.
With this change in the curriculum, instead of science, students are
given fringe beliefs and unsubstantiated speculations.
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Read it at http://ydr.com/story/opinion/58516/
Shippensburg professors: 'Let science be science'
PABLO DELIS
Sunday, February 13, 2005
With this letter we want to express our deep concern and opposition
to
the Dover Area School Board's decision to add the concept of
intelligent design to the biology curriculum.
As professors of biology, we find the teaching of ID in the schools
of
Pennsylvania as part of the science curriculum to be inappropriate.
The introduction of the ID concept, taught as if it were a valid
alternative scientific theory to classic evolutionary theory, will do
a monumental disservice to the students in your district.
With this change in the curriculum, instead of science, students are
given fringe beliefs and unsubstantiated speculations.
Administrators or teachers enacting this modification of the
curriculum are present ing students with misinformation about the
content and process of science.
They are eroding the academic preparation of the students and
diminishing their chances for a successful professional and academic
future.
The concept of intelligen t design is not scientific. ID cannot be
investigated using the scientific method. ID is not based on
objective
evidence. ID cannot be falsified through experimentation or realistic
predictions. ID is not a competing theory for evolution. ID has not
and is not being taught, as a biology concept, in any university with
objective scientific standards. ID is not found in any respectable
biology textbooks as accepted science. ID is "modern"
creationism.
Intelligent design is a veiled strategy to teach religion instead of
science.
Arguably, ID may be appropriate in a philosophy or comparative
theology course but not as part of the science/biology curriculum.
Theological themes, philosophical arguments, common beliefs, moral
points of view and ethical controversies are a fitting part of a
well-rounded social/cultural curriculum but not part of science
education.
Science is based on a strict series of steps widely known as the
"scientific method."
The teachers in your district, as good professionals, know this very
well. The scientific method requires falsifiable hypotheses and
objective and accepted testing methodology.
The concept of intelligent design implies by logical inference an
"intelligent designer," supreme being, all mighty, deity. These
"ideals" are all various versions of God. Science cannot
investigate
the belief in God because a supernatural force is, by definition, not
amenable to experimentation using the scientific method, and,
therefore is not science.
We expect our freshman students to arrive at college with the best
possible academic background, including a solid understanding of the
scientific method and a clear idea of what science is and is not.
In a time of un precedented discovery and technical advances, from
the
human genome to nanotechnology, we should not have to revisit once
more these misrepresentations in science.
We should not be fighting cultural and scientific wars that were
resolved, in le gal and experimental grounds, over 60 years ago.
Let science be science.
For the sake of the students, we urge you to reconsider your decision
and return to the original scientific standards of biology in your
curriculum.
Pablo Delis is an assistant professor in the Shippensburg University
biology department. This letter was also signed by 15 other
professors
in the university's biology department.
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Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
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