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16 year old girl hanged in Iran |
Sick bastards.
23 July 2006
EXCLUSIVE: HANGED FROM A CRANE AGED 16
EXCLUSIVE JUSTICE IRAN STYLE: SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE DEFIED
Her crime? She had sex with an unmarried man
By Susie Boniface
IT WAS exactly 6am and the start of another blisteringly hot summer
day when 16-year-old Atefeh Rajabi was dragged from her prison cell
and taken to be executed.
Every step of the way the troubled teenager plagued by mental problems
shouted "repentance, repentance" as the militiamen marched her to the
town's Railway Square.
The Iranian judge who had sentenced Atefeh to death was left unmoved
as he personally put the noose around her neck and signalled to the
crane driver.
http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid%3D17431866&method%3Dfull&siteid%3D62484&headline%3Dhanged-from-a-crane-aged-16--name_page.html
atheist@home#1554
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: 16 year old girl hanged in Iran |
27 Jul 2006 09:36:13 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:44d1cba2.223911875@news-west.newscene.com:
On 27 Jul 2006 09:52:27 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
(Kate ) wrote in
news:44d04c13.191257187@news-west.newscene.com:
On 27 Jul 2006 00:05:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
(Kate ) wrote in
news:44ce09ee.174324421@news-west.newscene.com:
On 26 Jul 2006 21:21:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:73ofc2dosc80pbaaf1df1mmlv2hr0fjssi@4ax.com:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:29:11 GMT, wrote:
Sick bastards.
23 July 2006
EXCLUSIVE: HANGED FROM A CRANE AGED 16
EXCLUSIVE JUSTICE IRAN STYLE: SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE
DEFIED Her crime? She had sex with an unmarried man
By Susie Boniface
IT WAS exactly 6am and the start of another blisteringly hot
summer day when 16-year-old Atefeh Rajabi was dragged from her
prison cell and taken to be executed.
Every step of the way the troubled teenager plagued by mental
problems shouted "repentance, repentance" as the militiamen
marched her to the town's Railway Square.
The Iranian judge who had sentenced Atefeh to death was left
unmoved as he personally put the noose around her neck and
signalled to the crane driver.
The unspeakable evil of religious fundamentalism once again
rears its hideous head.
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because that what it is, Kate.
Is what? Something you don't want to talk about?
Apparantly it's something *YOU* don't want to talk about. You got a
problem with calling Islamic fundamentalism what it is, Kate?
You don't want to face that it's the fundamentalism that's the
problem, not the islamicism.
But it isn't the fundamentalism, Kate. I know a lot of Christian
fundamentalists and they're not violent. The ones who are, are violent
because they're disturbed individuals, not because they're encouraged by
their general religious community.
It is most definitely the Islamism. You don't see Christians out hanging
young women from cranes or beating little girls up because they
interrupted a Sunday School teacher at his prayers. Where is the
*Christian* movement that is conducting a suicide bombing campaign?
That's because fundamentalism is
authoritarian in basis, the same as you advocate. The muslims are not
the the problem. The muslims don't push terrorism. Authoritarians
do. Just like you do.
Sigh. Same old simplistic Kate as always. Same dumb generalizations that
avoid all the details that would ruin her nice simpleminded
equivalences.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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| User: "Kate " |
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27 Jul 2006 07:56:02 PM |
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On 27 Jul 2006 14:36:13 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:44d1cba2.223911875@news-west.newscene.com:
On 27 Jul 2006 09:52:27 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:44d04c13.191257187@news-west.newscene.com:
On 27 Jul 2006 00:05:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
cobalt@newscene.com (Kate ) wrote in
news:44ce09ee.174324421@news-west.newscene.com:
On 26 Jul 2006 21:21:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:73ofc2dosc80pbaaf1df1mmlv2hr0fjssi@4ax.com:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:29:11 GMT, wrote:
Sick bastards.
23 July 2006
EXCLUSIVE: HANGED FROM A CRANE AGED 16
EXCLUSIVE JUSTICE IRAN STYLE: SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE
DEFIED Her crime? She had sex with an unmarried man
By Susie Boniface
IT WAS exactly 6am and the start of another blisteringly hot
summer day when 16-year-old Atefeh Rajabi was dragged from her
prison cell and taken to be executed.
Every step of the way the troubled teenager plagued by mental
problems shouted "repentance, repentance" as the militiamen
marched her to the town's Railway Square.
The Iranian judge who had sentenced Atefeh to death was left
unmoved as he personally put the noose around her neck and
signalled to the crane driver.
The unspeakable evil of religious fundamentalism once again
rears its hideous head.
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because that what it is, Kate.
Is what? Something you don't want to talk about?
Apparantly it's something *YOU* don't want to talk about. You got a
problem with calling Islamic fundamentalism what it is, Kate?
You don't want to face that it's the fundamentalism that's the
problem, not the islamicism.
But it isn't the fundamentalism, Kate. I know a lot of Christian
fundamentalists and they're not violent. The ones who are, are violent
because they're disturbed individuals, not because they're encouraged by
their general religious community.
It is most definitely the Islamism. You don't see Christians out hanging
young women from cranes or beating little girls up because they
interrupted a Sunday School teacher at his prayers. Where is the
*Christian* movement that is conducting a suicide bombing campaign?
It's not the islamism because there are plenty of islamics that don't
do that. Many live in this country. Islam is based on non violence -
remember? Bush said so himself? Remember Fred - your hero says
otherwise - or are you claiming he lied yet again?
And we have Christian movements just like that. Right now, there is a
movement to start world war III so they can enjoy their rapture.
Oops.
That's because fundamentalism is
authoritarian in basis, the same as you advocate. The muslims are not
the the problem. The muslims don't push terrorism. Authoritarians
do. Just like you do.
Sigh. Same old simplistic Kate as always. Same dumb generalizations that
avoid all the details that would ruin her nice simpleminded
equivalences.
(snort)
And how will you handle this family of islamics? According to you,
you would bomb them. The entire family. Just as you bomb all the
other islamics you are supposedly 'helping'. And just how is that
any different than what they did?
Face it Fred. You are just them sitting fat and stupid in an american
easy chair. You want to kill and mame to force people to do what you
want. You like wars because they give you an excuse to do that.
It doesn't work for them to change behavior by doing that and it
doesn't work for us either.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Jul 2006 08:22:51 PM |
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(Kate ) wrote in
news:44d55db2.261303906@news-west.newscene.com:
On 27 Jul 2006 14:36:13 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
(Kate ) wrote in
news:44d1cba2.223911875@news-west.newscene.com:
On 27 Jul 2006 09:52:27 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
(Kate ) wrote in
news:44d04c13.191257187@news-west.newscene.com:
On 27 Jul 2006 00:05:26 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
(Kate ) wrote in
news:44ce09ee.174324421@news-west.newscene.com:
On 26 Jul 2006 21:21:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:73ofc2dosc80pbaaf1df1mmlv2hr0fjssi@4ax.com:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:29:11 GMT, wrote:
Sick bastards.
23 July 2006
EXCLUSIVE: HANGED FROM A CRANE AGED 16
EXCLUSIVE JUSTICE IRAN STYLE: SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE
DEFIED Her crime? She had sex with an unmarried man
By Susie Boniface
IT WAS exactly 6am and the start of another blisteringly hot
summer day when 16-year-old Atefeh Rajabi was dragged from her
prison cell and taken to be executed.
Every step of the way the troubled teenager plagued by mental
problems shouted "repentance, repentance" as the militiamen
marched her to the town's Railway Square.
The Iranian judge who had sentenced Atefeh to death was left
unmoved as he personally put the noose around her neck and
signalled to the crane driver.
The unspeakable evil of religious fundamentalism once again
rears its hideous head.
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because that what it is, Kate.
Is what? Something you don't want to talk about?
Apparantly it's something *YOU* don't want to talk about. You got a
problem with calling Islamic fundamentalism what it is, Kate?
You don't want to face that it's the fundamentalism that's the
problem, not the islamicism.
But it isn't the fundamentalism, Kate. I know a lot of Christian
fundamentalists and they're not violent. The ones who are, are violent
because they're disturbed individuals, not because they're encouraged
by their general religious community.
It is most definitely the Islamism. You don't see Christians out
hanging young women from cranes or beating little girls up because
they interrupted a Sunday School teacher at his prayers. Where is the
*Christian* movement that is conducting a suicide bombing campaign?
It's not the islamism because there are plenty of islamics that don't
do that. Many live in this country. Islam is based on non violence -
remember? Bush said so himself? Remember Fred - your hero says
otherwise - or are you claiming he lied yet again?
kate, kate, kate, you fail to distinguish between Islamism and Islamics.
Why do you think the other regulars on alt.atheism are so stupid?
And we have Christian movements just like that. Right now, there is a
movement to start world war III so they can enjoy their rapture.
But they're not mainstream, and the Islamists are.
Oops.
That's because fundamentalism is
authoritarian in basis, the same as you advocate. The muslims are
not the the problem. The muslims don't push terrorism.
Authoritarians do. Just like you do.
Sigh. Same old simplistic Kate as always. Same dumb generalizations
that avoid all the details that would ruin her nice simpleminded
equivalences.
(snort)
And how will you handle this family of islamics? According to you,
you would bomb them. The entire family. Just as you bomb all the
other islamics you are supposedly 'helping'. And just how is that
any different than what they did?
Kate, you're still doing it, putting Islamics instead of Islamists. You
know that there is a difference, even if you think the rest of
alt.atheism is too stupid to notice. I mean, you should have more
respect for the other liberals around here, there aren't *all* as dumb
as you are.
Face it Fred. You are just them sitting fat and stupid in an american
easy chair. You want to kill and mame to force people to do what you
want. You like wars because they give you an excuse to do that.
I don't *want* to have to do that, but if I *have* to do it, I won't let
you stop me.
It doesn't work for them to change behavior by doing that and it
doesn't work for us either.
Oh, it'll work all right. Violence *does* settle things, just ask the
city fathers of Carthage. Oh, wait, you can't.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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26 Jul 2006 08:05:27 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble Kate bleemed snorg
<44ce09ee.174324421@news-west.newscene.com> gnorff Wed, 26 Jul 2006
19:37:14 -0500:
On 26 Jul 2006 21:21:46 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:73ofc2dosc80pbaaf1df1mmlv2hr0fjssi@4ax.com:
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:29:11 GMT, wrote:
Sick bastards.
23 July 2006
EXCLUSIVE: HANGED FROM A CRANE AGED 16 EXCLUSIVE JUSTICE IRAN STYLE:
SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE DEFIED Her crime? She had sex with an
unmarried man By Susie Boniface
IT WAS exactly 6am and the start of another blisteringly hot summer day
when 16-year-old Atefeh Rajabi was dragged from her prison cell and
taken to be executed.
Every step of the way the troubled teenager plagued by mental problems
shouted "repentance, repentance" as the militiamen marched her to the
town's Railway Square.
The Iranian judge who had sentenced Atefeh to death was left unmoved as
he personally put the noose around her neck and signalled to the crane
driver.
The unspeakable evil of religious fundamentalism once again rears its
hideous head.
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of American
exceptionalism?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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26 Jul 2006 08:33:38 PM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of American
exceptionalism?
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the "War
on Fundamentalism."
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26 Jul 2006 10:09:52 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble Scott Richter bleemed snorg
<1hj3i5j.1qerhwi1bgpj50N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com> gnorff Wed, 26 Jul
2006 18:33:38 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of American
exceptionalism?
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the "War on
Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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27 Jul 2006 04:56:54 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Ubmdnf9_MZIcs1XZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@megapath.net:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Scott Richter bleemed snorg
<1hj3i5j.1qerhwi1bgpj50N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com> gnorff Wed, 26 Jul
2006 18:33:38 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of
American exceptionalism?
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
Interesting place to put that ellipsis, right where the explanation for
why we have to bomb those people goes. Funny how liberal stop-think
works, isn't it?
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are harboring
terrorists*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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27 Jul 2006 11:07:42 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Ubmdnf9_MZIcs1XZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@megapath.net:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Scott Richter bleemed snorg
<1hj3i5j.1qerhwi1bgpj50N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com> gnorff Wed, 26 Jul
2006 18:33:38 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of
American exceptionalism?
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
Interesting place to put that ellipsis, right where the explanation for
why we have to bomb those people goes. Funny how liberal stop-think
works, isn't it?
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are harboring
terrorists*.
But happily, we don't have to bomb the ***** out of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi
Arabia, and Pakistan because ... um, why not again?
-- cary
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27 Jul 2006 11:12:51 AM |
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(Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:eaaoce$8e2$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Ubmdnf9_MZIcs1XZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@megapath.net:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Scott Richter bleemed snorg
<1hj3i5j.1qerhwi1bgpj50N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com> gnorff Wed, 26
Jul 2006 18:33:38 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of
American exceptionalism?
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
Interesting place to put that ellipsis, right where the explanation
for why we have to bomb those people goes. Funny how liberal
stop-think works, isn't it?
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are
harboring terrorists*.
But happily, we don't have to bomb the ***** out of Syria, Lebanon,
Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan because ... um, why not again?
Because we haven't got around to them yet.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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27 Jul 2006 12:19:03 PM |
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In article Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:eaaoce$8e2$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Ubmdnf9_MZIcs1XZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@megapath.net:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Scott Richter bleemed snorg
<1hj3i5j.1qerhwi1bgpj50N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com> gnorff Wed, 26
Jul 2006 18:33:38 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of
American exceptionalism?
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
Interesting place to put that ellipsis, right where the explanation
for why we have to bomb those people goes. Funny how liberal
stop-think works, isn't it?
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are
harboring terrorists*.
A time-tested solution indeed. That very approach is why
there have been no terrorist attacks in Israel for some
decades now.
But happily, we don't have to bomb the ***** out of Syria, Lebanon,
Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan because ... um, why not again?
Because we haven't got around to them yet.
Well, at the rate our pacification -- oops, sorry, a little
flashback there -- our efforts towards forming a safe, stable,
and peaceable Ir-"Mission Accomplished"-aq are proceeding,
those others countries have not cause for worry for the
next few decades.
-- cary
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27 Jul 2006 10:01:54 PM |
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Well, at the rate our pacification -- oops, sorry, a little
flashback there -- our efforts towards forming a safe, stable,
and peaceable Ir-"Mission Accomplished"-aq are proceeding,
those others countries have not cause for worry for the
next few decades.
-- cary
Only those who have not served in the US military repeat that inane logic
concerning Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' statement. When an aircraft
carrier leaves the port, it is tasked with a mission, and it doesn't matter
if there is a war currently in progress. That ship was tasked with many
difficult operatios, and performed brilliantly, hence, 'Mission
Accomplished'.
Bush did not say the war was over, he was congradulating the crew on
a job well done. He IS the commander in chief, and it is within his duties.
Boneheads.
zach #33 the ultimate nonbeliever
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27 Jul 2006 01:43:11 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble Cary Kittrell bleemed snorg
<eaasi7$hsl$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:19:03
+0000:
In article Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
cary@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote in
news:eaaoce$8e2$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Ubmdnf9_MZIcs1XZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@megapath.net:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Scott Richter bleemed snorg
<1hj3i5j.1qerhwi1bgpj50N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com> gnorff Wed, 26
Jul 2006 18:33:38 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of
American exceptionalism?
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
Interesting place to put that ellipsis, right where the explanation
for why we have to bomb those people goes. Funny how liberal
stop-think works, isn't it?
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are
harboring terrorists*.
A time-tested solution indeed. That very approach is why there have been
no terrorist attacks in Israel for some decades now.
Really. The long lasting peace in the region shows us the efficacy of the
approach!
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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27 Jul 2006 11:19:28 AM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble Cary Kittrell bleemed snorg
<eaaoce$8e2$1@onion.ccit.arizona.edu> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:07:42
+0000:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> writes:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:Ubmdnf9_MZIcs1XZnZ2dnUVZ_vKdnZ2d@megapath.net:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Scott Richter bleemed snorg
<1hj3i5j.1qerhwi1bgpj50N%scottrichter422@yahoo.com> gnorff Wed, 26 Jul
2006 18:33:38 -0700:
Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
Let's be precise here, John. *ISLAMIC* fundamentalism.
Why?
Because otherwise we'd have to examine the faith position of
American exceptionalism?
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
Interesting place to put that ellipsis, right where the explanation for
why we have to bomb those people goes. Funny how liberal stop-think
works, isn't it?
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are harboring
terrorists*.
But happily, we don't have to bomb the ***** out of Syria, Lebanon, Saudi
Arabia, and Pakistan because ... um, why not again?
We certainly can't bomb Pakistan! I mean, they supplied nuclear materials
and information to N. Korea and Iran and bin Laden and what's left of Al
Qaeda are there.
Um... wait...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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27 Jul 2006 10:34:27 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are harboring
terrorists*.
Actually, it's because they are harboring members of *another* religion
of peace.
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no ideology.
Bush's GWOT is a nonsensical phrase, its only purpose is to obfuscate
the real identity of the enemy, because that identity exposes too many
uncomfortable comparisons to "his base".
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27 Jul 2006 10:11:34 AM |
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(Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj4it2.hy0sism3kf6kN%:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are
harboring terrorists*.
Actually, it's because they are harboring members of *another*
religion of peace.
No, it's because they are harboring terrorists. If they weren't
terrorists, they wouldn't "blend in with the populace".
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as their tactic.
Bush's GWOT is a nonsensical phrase, its only purpose is to obfuscate
the real identity of the enemy, because that identity exposes too many
uncomfortable comparisons to "his base".
The only people who make such comparisons are too stupid to make anybody
uncomfortable except maybe the people who have to change their diapers.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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29 Jul 2006 06:30:51 AM |
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(Scott Richter) wrote in
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
No, it's people who don't have a 500 billion dollar military budget.
People who can't afford laser-guided bombs, up-armored Humvees, or
war zone Burger Kings.
I don't have a 500 billion dollar budget either, but I haven't
adopted terrorism.
Yes, your favorite weapon in the war on terror apparently are
neofascist talking points blended with juvenile insults, better known
as IIDs (improvised insult devices).
Ah, and here's the king of the juvenile insults to show us how it's
done.
But thanks for the targeting information. :-)
No, Scott, it takes a certain sort of ideology to use terrorism as a
tactic in warfare. The sort of ideology that doesn't distinguish
between civilians and military personell as targets.
That's not an ideology either. Perhaps you should look up the meaning
of the word.
Maybe you recognize yourself as the target of the phrase "a certain sort
of ideology".
You know, like you liberals cretins with your moral equivalences.
Boom! Another IID!
Ah, thanks for letting me know that I hit the target again. :-)
Ah, but there is a distinction there that you're desperately glossing
over. That laser-guided bomb is probably aimed at a legitimate
military target like a house full of terrorists.
Doesn't the name "laser-guided bomb" just fill you with pride, because
such high tech weapons must be so precise they would never hurt anyone
but the bad guys.
Still, dead is dead to an eight year old girl.
Yes, Scott, innocent people get hurt when terrorists hide behind them
and use them as human shields. Are we therefore to let the terrorists
have their way?
If there are civilians around, it's the fault of the terrorists for
"blending in".
Ah, so it's the terrorist's fault for wanting to stay alive. What a
devious bunch! Let's just blow the ***** out of them anyways, who cares
how many innocent civilians get killed. After all, it's not like
they're Republican voters...
Scott, it's time to take away the terrorist's best weapon: your bleeding
heart.
Your hero the suicide bomber might [...]
Kaboom! Another one! IID's goin' off every time you turn around!
And another direct hit!
Scott, you're doing better than an al-Jazeera reporter in Israel. :-)
You'll need to ask Washington for a quick resupply if you're going to
keep this campaign going.
Scotty, you're such a target-rich environment, and I've got all this
precision-guided ammunition, remember?
But you're going to run out of UN observer stations for firebases and UN
ambulances to carry your terrorists away from ambush sites.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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27 Jul 2006 01:20:09 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj4it2.hy0sism3kf6kN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are
harboring terrorists*.
Actually, it's because they are harboring members of *another*
religion of peace.
No, it's because they are harboring terrorists. If they weren't
terrorists, they wouldn't "blend in with the populace".
If they blend in they are not terrorizing the populance, which probably
calls them freedon fighters.
At least that's what the Army of the United States teaches.
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as their tactic.
Speaking of napalm and indescriminate bombing of civilian populations...
Bush's GWOT is a nonsensical phrase, its only purpose is to obfuscate
the real identity of the enemy, because that identity exposes too
many uncomfortable comparisons to "his base".
The only people who make such comparisons are too stupid to make
anybody uncomfortable except maybe the people who have to change
their diapers.
Agree with Fred the gloater over death or be called an idiot.
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27 Jul 2006 01:44:07 PM |
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After the aliens invaded, flibble Mike Painter bleemed snorg
<tt7yg.138498$H71.82531@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul
2006 18:20:09 +0000:
Fred Stone wrote:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj4it2.hy0sism3kf6kN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not the
"War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are
harboring terrorists*.
Actually, it's because they are harboring members of *another* religion
of peace.
No, it's because they are harboring terrorists. If they weren't
terrorists, they wouldn't "blend in with the populace".
If they blend in they are not terrorizing the populance, which probably
calls them freedon fighters.
At least that's what the Army of the United States teaches.
If terrorists can't "blend in with the populace," why didn't we bomb Tim
McVeigh's neighbors?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"As hip as it is for outsiders to blame New Orleans
for everything bad that happened during and after
Hurricane Katrina, the truth is that the people
who lived here were much more prepared for a big
storm than the federal government that promised
us flood protection." [Jarvis DeBerry]
http://makeashorterlink.com/?V180525DC
"Everything New Orleans"
http://www.nola.com
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27 Jul 2006 02:16:42 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:PuWdnX5YnvTqlFTZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@megapath.net:
After the aliens invaded, flibble Mike Painter bleemed snorg
<tt7yg.138498$H71.82531@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com> gnorff Thu, 27 Jul
2006 18:20:09 +0000:
Fred Stone wrote:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj4it2.hy0sism3kf6kN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Bingo! That's why it's called the "War on Terrorism", and not
the "War on Fundamentalism."
Well, Christianity is a religion of peace.
So we have to bomb the ***** out of some people...
We have to bomb the ***** out of some people *because they are
harboring terrorists*.
Actually, it's because they are harboring members of *another*
religion of peace.
No, it's because they are harboring terrorists. If they weren't
terrorists, they wouldn't "blend in with the populace".
If they blend in they are not terrorizing the populance, which
probably calls them freedon fighters.
At least that's what the Army of the United States teaches.
Nice way to move the goalposts. But yes, they frequently *are*
terrorizing the populace when they blend in. Wouldn't you be a little
frightened if a dozen wild-eyed men with AK-47's and suicide belts set
up in your living room?
If terrorists can't "blend in with the populace," why didn't we bomb
Tim McVeigh's neighbors?
Because we still have effective police in the United States. We don't
*have* to bomb to get terrorists out of dug-in positions.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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27 Jul 2006 10:39:55 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:PuWdnX5YnvTqlFTZnZ2dnUVZ_oednZ2d@megapath.net:
If they blend in they are not terrorizing the populance, which
probably calls them freedon fighters.
At least that's what the Army of the United States teaches.
Nice way to move the goalposts. But yes, they frequently *are*
terrorizing the populace when they blend in. Wouldn't you be a little
frightened if a dozen wild-eyed men with AK-47's and suicide belts set
up in your living room?
I'm just stateing what the United States Army teaches to it's officers.
Correct them if you want to.
If terrorists can't "blend in with the populace," why didn't we bomb
Tim McVeigh's neighbors?
Because we still have effective police in the United States. We don't
*have* to bomb to get terrorists out of dug-in positions.
Woosh.
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29 Jul 2006 06:31:58 AM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:22glc25dccpnahichksjl96qfs5i8f79t5@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 00:21:40 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980ED8D72E923fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4jblc21pn28g15r2ag06os30qdk9glt59d@4ax.com:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:53:46 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:11 -0400, IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote:
- Refer:
<05rkc2l9rthmfjqc3l0pq29l9043r2npg2@fe06.highwinds-media.phx>
On 28 Jul 2006 18:39:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980E9EC9F4E5Efstone69@66.150.105.47>:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj6k5k.yd5saj6kmjeoN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no
ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as their
tactic.
No, it's people who don't have a 500 billion dollar military
budget. People who can't afford laser-guided bombs, up-armored
Humvees, or war zone Burger Kings.
I don't have a 500 billion dollar budget either, but I haven't
adopted terrorism. No, Scott, it takes a certain sort of ideology
to use terrorism as a tactic in warfare. The sort of ideology that
doesn't distinguish between civilians and military personell as
targets. You know, like you liberals cretins with your moral
equivalences.
Just out of curiousity, when there were unguided cluster bombs
being dropped on Baghdad, what did that count as?
Bringing Freedom & Democracy, apparently...
Come on, guys. If you keep this up, you might force Fred to actually
think, and then who knows what might happen? <G>
I don't see anything resembling an answer to my comment about ideology
above. That snark about cluster bombs didn't involve any thought on
your side, so why should I have to think about it either?
It's not a 'snark', Fred. Dropping cluster bombs on urban Baghdad was
a deliberate act of NOT discriminating between civilian and military
targets (what you claim is the ideology of terrorism), so why are you
excusing it? Is it anything deeper than that the act was committed by
an agency you approve of?
Stop trying to change the subject. I'm still waiting for your answer.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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29 Jul 2006 09:28:04 AM |
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On 29 Jul 2006 11:31:58 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980F5653B8BEEfstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:22glc25dccpnahichksjl96qfs5i8f79t5@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 00:21:40 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980ED8D72E923fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4jblc21pn28g15r2ag06os30qdk9glt59d@4ax.com:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:53:46 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:11 -0400, IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote:
- Refer:
<05rkc2l9rthmfjqc3l0pq29l9043r2npg2@fe06.highwinds-media.phx>
On 28 Jul 2006 18:39:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980E9EC9F4E5Efstone69@66.150.105.47>:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj6k5k.yd5saj6kmjeoN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no
ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as their
tactic.
No, it's people who don't have a 500 billion dollar military
budget. People who can't afford laser-guided bombs, up-armored
Humvees, or war zone Burger Kings.
I don't have a 500 billion dollar budget either, but I haven't
adopted terrorism. No, Scott, it takes a certain sort of ideology
to use terrorism as a tactic in warfare. The sort of ideology that
doesn't distinguish between civilians and military personell as
targets. You know, like you liberals cretins with your moral
equivalences.
Just out of curiousity, when there were unguided cluster bombs
being dropped on Baghdad, what did that count as?
Bringing Freedom & Democracy, apparently...
Come on, guys. If you keep this up, you might force Fred to actually
think, and then who knows what might happen? <G>
I don't see anything resembling an answer to my comment about ideology
above. That snark about cluster bombs didn't involve any thought on
your side, so why should I have to think about it either?
It's not a 'snark', Fred. Dropping cluster bombs on urban Baghdad was
a deliberate act of NOT discriminating between civilian and military
targets (what you claim is the ideology of terrorism), so why are you
excusing it? Is it anything deeper than that the act was committed by
an agency you approve of?
Stop trying to change the subject. I'm still waiting for your answer.
Answer what? I've explained my question. It's perfectly valid but you
seem to be trying very hard to avoid it.
So, again: when the US dropped unguided cluster bombs throughout
Baghdad, how was that different from what you say is an 'ideology of
terrorism' in not discriminating between civilians and military
personel?
Please don't give me 'Baghdad was a military target' again - the
entire city was not one big encampment.
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29 Jul 2006 09:38:19 AM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:5trmc21h7c56r4q5jn6l7698el824p7c29@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 11:31:58 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980F5653B8BEEfstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:22glc25dccpnahichksjl96qfs5i8f79t5@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 00:21:40 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980ED8D72E923fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4jblc21pn28g15r2ag06os30qdk9glt59d@4ax.com:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:53:46 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:11 -0400, IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote:
- Refer:
<05rkc2l9rthmfjqc3l0pq29l9043r2npg2@fe06.highwinds-media.phx>
On 28 Jul 2006 18:39:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980E9EC9F4E5Efstone69@66.150.105.47>:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj6k5k.yd5saj6kmjeoN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no
ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as their
tactic.
No, it's people who don't have a 500 billion dollar military
budget. People who can't afford laser-guided bombs, up-armored
Humvees, or war zone Burger Kings.
I don't have a 500 billion dollar budget either, but I haven't
adopted terrorism. No, Scott, it takes a certain sort of
ideology to use terrorism as a tactic in warfare. The sort of
ideology that doesn't distinguish between civilians and military
personell as targets. You know, like you liberals cretins with
your moral equivalences.
Just out of curiousity, when there were unguided cluster bombs
being dropped on Baghdad, what did that count as?
Bringing Freedom & Democracy, apparently...
Come on, guys. If you keep this up, you might force Fred to
actually think, and then who knows what might happen? <G>
I don't see anything resembling an answer to my comment about
ideology above. That snark about cluster bombs didn't involve any
thought on your side, so why should I have to think about it either?
It's not a 'snark', Fred. Dropping cluster bombs on urban Baghdad
was a deliberate act of NOT discriminating between civilian and
military targets (what you claim is the ideology of terrorism), so
why are you excusing it? Is it anything deeper than that the act was
committed by an agency you approve of?
Stop trying to change the subject. I'm still waiting for your answer.
Answer what? I've explained my question. It's perfectly valid but you
seem to be trying very hard to avoid it.
You dodged *my* point about terrorist ideologies being the ones that
make no distiction at all between military and civilians. Our military
go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties. Our enemy in Iraq go
out of their way to *cause* civilian casualties.
You may now proceed to twist logic to the breaking point to make it out
that our targeting of military installations that were deliberately
placed in a city by the enemy is the same as that same enemy running a
suicide bomber into a crowd.
So, again: when the US dropped unguided cluster bombs throughout
Baghdad, how was that different from what you say is an 'ideology of
terrorism' in not discriminating between civilians and military
personel?
Our targeting is a lot more precise than you imply.
Please don't give me 'Baghdad was a military target' again - the
entire city was not one big encampment.
They didn't drop bombs all over the city. They were targeted on military
buildings. It's not our fault that Saddam put his bunkers and other
installations in and around residential areas. That's what you get when
you put terrorists in charge.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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29 Jul 2006 11:10:18 AM |
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On 29 Jul 2006 14:38:19 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980F75EC2EB95fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:5trmc21h7c56r4q5jn6l7698el824p7c29@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 11:31:58 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980F5653B8BEEfstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:22glc25dccpnahichksjl96qfs5i8f79t5@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 00:21:40 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980ED8D72E923fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4jblc21pn28g15r2ag06os30qdk9glt59d@4ax.com:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:53:46 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:11 -0400, IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote:
- Refer:
<05rkc2l9rthmfjqc3l0pq29l9043r2npg2@fe06.highwinds-media.phx>
On 28 Jul 2006 18:39:18 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980E9EC9F4E5Efstone69@66.150.105.47>:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj6k5k.yd5saj6kmjeoN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no
ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as their
tactic.
No, it's people who don't have a 500 billion dollar military
budget. People who can't afford laser-guided bombs, up-armored
Humvees, or war zone Burger Kings.
I don't have a 500 billion dollar budget either, but I haven't
adopted terrorism. No, Scott, it takes a certain sort of
ideology to use terrorism as a tactic in warfare. The sort of
ideology that doesn't distinguish between civilians and military
personell as targets. You know, like you liberals cretins with
your moral equivalences.
Just out of curiousity, when there were unguided cluster bombs
being dropped on Baghdad, what did that count as?
Bringing Freedom & Democracy, apparently...
Come on, guys. If you keep this up, you might force Fred to
actually think, and then who knows what might happen? <G>
I don't see anything resembling an answer to my comment about
ideology above. That snark about cluster bombs didn't involve any
thought on your side, so why should I have to think about it either?
It's not a 'snark', Fred. Dropping cluster bombs on urban Baghdad
was a deliberate act of NOT discriminating between civilian and
military targets (what you claim is the ideology of terrorism), so
why are you excusing it? Is it anything deeper than that the act was
committed by an agency you approve of?
Stop trying to change the subject. I'm still waiting for your answer.
Answer what? I've explained my question. It's perfectly valid but you
seem to be trying very hard to avoid it.
You dodged *my* point about terrorist ideologies being the ones that
make no distiction at all between military and civilians. Our military
go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties. Our enemy in Iraq go
out of their way to *cause* civilian casualties.
You may now proceed to twist logic to the breaking point to make it out
that our targeting of military installations that were deliberately
placed in a city by the enemy is the same as that same enemy running a
suicide bomber into a crowd.
Dropping cluster munitions isn't 'targeting' anything, and your ad-hom
attacks aren't doing anything to make your point valid. In fact, just
the opposite.
So, again: when the US dropped unguided cluster bombs throughout
Baghdad, how was that different from what you say is an 'ideology of
terrorism' in not discriminating between civilians and military
personel?
Our targeting is a lot more precise than you imply.
One cluster bomb scatters anti-personnel submunitions over an area
larger than a football field. That's exactly what they're designed to
do. Cluster bombs were dropped into urban areas where civilians live.
That doesn't look like precise to me. In fact, it looks like sowing
booby-traps among civilians.
So, yes, blowing up civilians is repugnant. I'm wondering when it
became less repugnant in your opinion when the US does it.
Please don't give me 'Baghdad was a military target' again - the
entire city was not one big encampment.
They didn't drop bombs all over the city. They were targeted on military
buildings. It's not our fault that Saddam put his bunkers and other
installations in and around residential areas. That's what you get when
you put terrorists in charge.
Cluster bombs ARE NOT TARGETED MUNITIONS. They are designed to kill
and maim indiscriminately over a large area. Isn't that the same
'terrorist' ideology you condemn?
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29 Jul 2006 01:27:05 PM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:am1nc21v8qlibo4hmdhevahjkgk5h52dhn@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 14:38:19 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980F75EC2EB95fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:5trmc21h7c56r4q5jn6l7698el824p7c29@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 11:31:58 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980F5653B8BEEfstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:22glc25dccpnahichksjl96qfs5i8f79t5@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 00:21:40 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980ED8D72E923fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4jblc21pn28g15r2ag06os30qdk9glt59d@4ax.com:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:53:46 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:11 -0400, IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com>
wrote:
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<05rkc2l9rthmfjqc3l0pq29l9043r2npg2@fe06.highwinds-media.phx>
On 28 Jul 2006 18:39:18 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
<Xns980E9EC9F4E5Efstone69@66.150.105.47>:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj6k5k.yd5saj6kmjeoN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no
ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as
their tactic.
No, it's people who don't have a 500 billion dollar military
budget. People who can't afford laser-guided bombs,
up-armored Humvees, or war zone Burger Kings.
I don't have a 500 billion dollar budget either, but I haven't
adopted terrorism. No, Scott, it takes a certain sort of
ideology to use terrorism as a tactic in warfare. The sort of
ideology that doesn't distinguish between civilians and
military personell as targets. You know, like you liberals
cretins with your moral equivalences.
Just out of curiousity, when there were unguided cluster bombs
being dropped on Baghdad, what did that count as?
Bringing Freedom & Democracy, apparently...
Come on, guys. If you keep this up, you might force Fred to
actually think, and then who knows what might happen? <G>
I don't see anything resembling an answer to my comment about
ideology above. That snark about cluster bombs didn't involve any
thought on your side, so why should I have to think about it
either?
It's not a 'snark', Fred. Dropping cluster bombs on urban Baghdad
was a deliberate act of NOT discriminating between civilian and
military targets (what you claim is the ideology of terrorism), so
why are you excusing it? Is it anything deeper than that the act
was committed by an agency you approve of?
Stop trying to change the subject. I'm still waiting for your
answer.
Answer what? I've explained my question. It's perfectly valid but
you seem to be trying very hard to avoid it.
You dodged *my* point about terrorist ideologies being the ones that
make no distiction at all between military and civilians. Our military
go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties. Our enemy in Iraq go
out of their way to *cause* civilian casualties.
You may now proceed to twist logic to the breaking point to make it
out that our targeting of military installations that were
deliberately placed in a city by the enemy is the same as that same
enemy running a suicide bomber into a crowd.
Dropping cluster munitions isn't 'targeting' anything, and your ad-hom
attacks aren't doing anything to make your point valid. In fact, just
the opposite.
Yes, cluster munitions *target* an area.
And don't whine, your emotionalism doesn't make up for your twisted
logic and abhorrent moral equivalences.
So, again: when the US dropped unguided cluster bombs throughout
Baghdad, how was that different from what you say is an 'ideology of
terrorism' in not discriminating between civilians and military
personel?
Our targeting is a lot more precise than you imply.
One cluster bomb scatters anti-personnel submunitions over an area
larger than a football field. That's exactly what they're designed to
do. Cluster bombs were dropped into urban areas where civilians live.
That doesn't look like precise to me. In fact, it looks like sowing
booby-traps among civilians.
What it looks like to you is not relevant. Your emotionalism is not
relevant either. The pattern put down by a cluster bomb is *very*
precise. If it was determined that there was a target of military
significance in an area, then a cluster bomb is a good way to prevent
the enemy from using that area. If the enemy puts civilians at risk by
citing his military installations in his cities, that's not *our*
problem.
So, yes, blowing up civilians is repugnant. I'm wondering when it
became less repugnant in your opinion when the US does it.
The question is why those civilians were in an area with military
significance. We don't just drop bombs for the fun of it.
Please don't give me 'Baghdad was a military target' again - the
entire city was not one big encampment.
They didn't drop bombs all over the city. They were targeted on
military buildings. It's not our fault that Saddam put his bunkers and
other installations in and around residential areas. That's what you
get when you put terrorists in charge.
Cluster bombs ARE NOT TARGETED MUNITIONS. They are designed to kill
and maim indiscriminately over a large area.
Sorry, but using the word "indiscriminate" to describe an area-denial
weapon doesn't make it so. Neither do the CAPITAL LETTERS.
Isn't that the same 'terrorist' ideology you condemn?
No, it is not. I'm sorry if your terrorist friends don't like it, but
the US isn't supporting terrorist ideology.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: 16 year old girl hanged in Iran |
29 Jul 2006 07:54:34 PM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Cluster bombs ARE NOT TARGETED MUNITIONS. They are designed to kill
and maim indiscriminately over a large area.
Sorry, but using the word "indiscriminate" to describe an area-denial
weapon doesn't make it so. Neither do the CAPITAL LETTERS.
Area denial weapon? Doublespeak at it's best.
It's not hard to believe that the man who gloats at the death of innocents
would accept this view.
However I would like to see some information that shows exactly how it's use
denies entry into an area rather than kill anybody in it.
He probably feels the same about napalm.
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| User: "IAAH" |
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| Title: Re: 16 year old girl hanged in Iran |
29 Jul 2006 03:54:00 PM |
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On 29 Jul 2006 18:27:05 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980F9CB6BFEA3fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:am1nc21v8qlibo4hmdhevahjkgk5h52dhn@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 14:38:19 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980F75EC2EB95fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:5trmc21h7c56r4q5jn6l7698el824p7c29@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 11:31:58 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980F5653B8BEEfstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:22glc25dccpnahichksjl96qfs5i8f79t5@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 00:21:40 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980ED8D72E923fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4jblc21pn28g15r2ag06os30qdk9glt59d@4ax.com:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:53:46 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:11 -0400, IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com>
wrote:
- Refer:
<05rkc2l9rthmfjqc3l0pq29l9043r2npg2@fe06.highwinds-media.phx>
On 28 Jul 2006 18:39:18 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
<Xns980E9EC9F4E5Efstone69@66.150.105.47>:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj6k5k.yd5saj6kmjeoN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has no
ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as
their tactic.
No, it's people who don't have a 500 billion dollar military
budget. People who can't afford laser-guided bombs,
up-armored Humvees, or war zone Burger Kings.
I don't have a 500 billion dollar budget either, but I haven't
adopted terrorism. No, Scott, it takes a certain sort of
ideology to use terrorism as a tactic in warfare. The sort of
ideology that doesn't distinguish between civilians and
military personell as targets. You know, like you liberals
cretins with your moral equivalences.
Just out of curiousity, when there were unguided cluster bombs
being dropped on Baghdad, what did that count as?
Bringing Freedom & Democracy, apparently...
Come on, guys. If you keep this up, you might force Fred to
actually think, and then who knows what might happen? <G>
I don't see anything resembling an answer to my comment about
ideology above. That snark about cluster bombs didn't involve any
thought on your side, so why should I have to think about it
either?
It's not a 'snark', Fred. Dropping cluster bombs on urban Baghdad
was a deliberate act of NOT discriminating between civilian and
military targets (what you claim is the ideology of terrorism), so
why are you excusing it? Is it anything deeper than that the act
was committed by an agency you approve of?
Stop trying to change the subject. I'm still waiting for your
answer.
Answer what? I've explained my question. It's perfectly valid but
you seem to be trying very hard to avoid it.
You dodged *my* point about terrorist ideologies being the ones that
make no distiction at all between military and civilians. Our military
go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties. Our enemy in Iraq go
out of their way to *cause* civilian casualties.
You may now proceed to twist logic to the breaking point to make it
out that our targeting of military installations that were
deliberately placed in a city by the enemy is the same as that same
enemy running a suicide bomber into a crowd.
Dropping cluster munitions isn't 'targeting' anything, and your ad-hom
attacks aren't doing anything to make your point valid. In fact, just
the opposite.
Yes, cluster munitions *target* an area.
As does an IED by your chopped logic. Try again?
And don't whine, your emotionalism doesn't make up for your twisted
logic and abhorrent moral equivalences.
Ah, more insults in place of reasoning. Oh, well.
So, again: when the US dropped unguided cluster bombs throughout
Baghdad, how was that different from what you say is an 'ideology of
terrorism' in not discriminating between civilians and military
personel?
Our targeting is a lot more precise than you imply.
One cluster bomb scatters anti-personnel submunitions over an area
larger than a football field. That's exactly what they're designed to
do. Cluster bombs were dropped into urban areas where civilians live.
That doesn't look like precise to me. In fact, it looks like sowing
booby-traps among civilians.
What it looks like to you is not relevant. Your emotionalism is not
relevant either. The pattern put down by a cluster bomb is *very*
precise.
Not in a city, it isn't. It is an indiscriminate anti-personnel
weapon. If you can make a reply to these points without lapsing into
insults, this is a good place for it.
If it was determined that there was a target of military
significance in an area, then a cluster bomb is a good way to prevent
the enemy from using that area. If the enemy puts civilians at risk by
citing his military installations in his cities, that's not *our*
problem.
So, yes, blowing up civilians is repugnant. I'm wondering when it
became less repugnant in your opinion when the US does it.
The question is why those civilians were in an area with military
significance. We don't just drop bombs for the fun of it.
More excuses, there. You use 'moral equivalence' as an insult but
you're applying exactly that to the actions of the US military.
Please don't give me 'Baghdad was a military target' again - the
entire city was not one big encampment.
They didn't drop bombs all over the city. They were targeted on
military buildings. It's not our fault that Saddam put his bunkers and
other installations in and around residential areas. That's what you
get when you put terrorists in charge.
Cluster bombs ARE NOT TARGETED MUNITIONS. They are designed to kill
and maim indiscriminately over a large area.
Sorry, but using the word "indiscriminate" to describe an area-denial
weapon doesn't make it so. Neither do the CAPITAL LETTERS.
And yet the fact remains. Your definition of 'targeting' applies to
the IEDs being used by insurgents. Did you mean to do that?
Isn't that the same 'terrorist' ideology you condemn?
No, it is not. I'm sorry if your terrorist friends don't like it, but
the US isn't supporting terrorist ideology.
Okay. Explain how the use of an indiscriminate anti-personnel weapon
with a footprint larger than a football field on an urban area with a
known civilian presence is okay when the US does it, but the use of
indiscriminate weapons by the enemy is not.
Or is the answer simply that it's okay *because it's the US doing it?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: 16 year old girl hanged in Iran |
29 Jul 2006 05:01:50 PM |
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IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:rcinc2p97qbv9evn1itpgmleh0ap2p1d7j@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 18:27:05 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote
in message <Xns980F9CB6BFEA3fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:am1nc21v8qlibo4hmdhevahjkgk5h52dhn@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 14:38:19 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980F75EC2EB95fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:5trmc21h7c56r4q5jn6l7698el824p7c29@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 11:31:58 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980F5653B8BEEfstone69@66.150.105.47>:
IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com> wrote in
news:22glc25dccpnahichksjl96qfs5i8f79t5@4ax.com:
On 29 Jul 2006 00:21:40 GMT, Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com>
wrote in message <Xns980ED8D72E923fstone69@66.150.105.47>:
John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:4jblc21pn28g15r2ag06os30qdk9glt59d@4ax.com:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:53:46 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2006 16:00:11 -0400, IAAH <iaah@dodgeit.com>
wrote:
- Refer:
<05rkc2l9rthmfjqc3l0pq29l9043r2npg2@fe06.highwinds-media.phx>
On 28 Jul 2006 18:39:18 GMT, Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
<Xns980E9EC9F4E5Efstone69@66.150.105.47>:
scottrichter422@yahoo.com (Scott Richter) wrote in
news:1hj6k5k.yd5saj6kmjeoN%scottrichter422@yahoo.com:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
Terrorism is a strategy, a technique of warfare. It has
no ideology.
Funny how it's always ideologues who adopt terrorism as
their tactic.
No, it's people who don't have a 500 billion dollar
military budget. People who can't afford laser-guided
bombs, up-armored Humvees, or war zone Burger Kings.
I don't have a 500 billion dollar budget either, but I
haven't adopted terrorism. No, Scott, it takes a certain
sort of ideology to use terrorism as a tactic in warfare.
The sort of ideology that doesn't distinguish between
civilians and military personell as targets. You know, like
you liberals cretins with your moral equivalences.
Just out of curiousity, when there were unguided cluster
bombs being dropped on Baghdad, what did that count as?
Bringing Freedom & Democracy, apparently...
Come on, guys. If you keep this up, you might force Fred to
actually think, and then who knows what might happen? <G>
I don't see anything resembling an answer to my comment about
ideology above. That snark about cluster bombs didn't involve
any thought on your side, so why should I have to think about it
either?
It's not a 'snark', Fred. Dropping cluster bombs on urban
Baghdad was a deliberate act of NOT discriminating between
civilian and military targets (what you claim is the ideology of
terrorism), so why are you excusing it? Is it anything deeper
than that the act was committed by an agency you approve of?
Stop trying to change the subject. I'm still waiting for your
answer.
Answer what? I've explained my question. It's perfectly valid but
you seem to be trying very hard to avoid it.
You dodged *my* point about terrorist ideologies being the ones that
make no distiction at all between military and civilians. Our
military go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties. Our enemy
in Iraq go out of their way to *cause* civilian casualties.
You may now proceed to twist logic to the breaking point to make it
out that our targeting of military installations that were
deliberately placed in a city by the enemy is the same as that same
enemy running a suicide bomber into a crowd.
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