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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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27 Apr 2007 06:58:02 PM |
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19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/Commentary/2006/06/13/1628893.html
EDITORIAL: Scary statistics!
Looking at the "morality barometer" poll in yesterday's paper, we're
struck by several things, the first being that Leger Marketing
actually did a survey on how Canadians view a number of moral issues.
This is remarkable insofar as the Canadian establishment continually
tries to push moral and social issues off the table - witness the
complete lack of debate in this country over controversial topics like
abortion and gambling - claiming that Canadians are tolerant and
understanding and non-judgmental and it's only closed-minded right-
wingers from Alberta who are trying to push moral agendas on Canada.
The other thing that struck us about the poll was how Canadians
actually responded to the question, "Do you consider the following
behaviour immoral?" with the pollster asking it over and over again
with a new behaviour listed each time. It turns out that despite the
reluctance of politicians to talk about moral issues and the even
bigger reluctance of many journalists in this country to write about
them, Canadians have no difficulties, when asked, categorizing certain
behaviours as moral or immoral.
Finally, the one thing that came leaping off the pollster report and
hit us squarely between the eyes was the result to the question on how
Canadians view pedophilia.
Overall, 81% of Canadians said that they considered pedophilia to be
immoral. Of all the immoral behaviours listed by Leger Marketing,
pedophilia - being sexually attracted to young children - had the
highest rate of condemnation by Canadians.
But flip the answer around, and we find a far more disturbing
statistic. If 81% of Canadians think pedophilia is immoral, then 19%
of Canadians either refused to answer or believe that pedophilia is,
in fact, a moral behaviour. A good behaviour. One that should not be
judged by society.
That's almost one in five people in this country! That's creepy
enough. It gets worse. Only 77% of Albertans said pedophilia is
immoral, just two percentage points behind Saskatchewan and Manitoba,
where the 75% condemnation was the lowest in Canada. Quebecers are
actually the least tolerant of pedophilia, with a full 91% of them
saying that it's immoral.
The Leger poll also offers up a statistic that suggests Canada's
tolerance of pedophilia will slowly grow with time, noting that older
Canadians are far more likely to see the practice as immoral versus
those in the 18- to 24-year-old crowd, where only 74% agreed lusting
after pre-pubescent kids is wrong.
Sure, this report doesn't mean that 19% of Canadians are pedophiles.
But surely if there was one behaviour in this world that could be
universally rebuked at a rate of 99% of higher, it would be
pedophilia. Apparently not.
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 11:11:42 AM |
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Bear in mind, the age of sexual consent in Canada is just 14 years of
age, for girls and boys. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada,
born in the U.S., brought up in Canada, moved back to the U.S. because
I didn't like the arbitrary socialist control structures in Canada.
It is, actually, a VERY weird country. Really, it's more of a colony
than a country. They don't believe in independant thought, because,
throughout their history, they've always been totally dependant on
some other great power -- France, Britain, America, now China to some
extent. You think what you're TOLD to think. They're extremely
conformist, by nature and training.
Like most socialist countries, they don't really have a powerful
religious authority. Sure, there are Churches, Synagogues, Mosques,
Temples, but they have to be much more careful about what they say
than in the U.S. No freedom of Speech. You don't say anything the
government feels is "anti-social". The government tells you what to
do, and what to think.
Canada is an underpopulated country, and they don't have millions of
Mexicans flooding across the border like the U.S. The Government
wants women to have children. "If you're old enough to bleed, you're
old enough to breed." The attitudes of Canadians reflect the
government's attitudes. They're tolerant of homosexuality,
pedophilia, drugs, alcoholism etc. because they want people to be
drunk, stoned and getting laid in their rooms/homes, rather than
challenging the government. That way, they won't be causing any
"trouble". The Government can just live off exporting the resources
of this extremely rich country. They don't want or need people to
actually "do anything". Other than have kids, that is.
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 06:26:53 PM |
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On 28 Apr 2007 09:11:42 -0700, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Bear in mind, the age of sexual consent in Canada is just 14 years of
age, for girls and boys. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada,
born in the U.S., brought up in Canada, moved back to the U.S. because
I didn't like the arbitrary socialist control structures in Canada.
It is, actually, a VERY weird country. Really, it's more of a colony
than a country. They don't believe in independant thought, because,
throughout their history, they've always been totally dependant on
some other great power -- France, Britain, America, now China to some
extent. You think what you're TOLD to think. They're extremely
conformist, by nature and training.
Like most socialist countries, they don't really have a powerful
religious authority. Sure, there are Churches, Synagogues, Mosques,
Temples, but they have to be much more careful about what they say
than in the U.S. No freedom of Speech. You don't say anything the
government feels is "anti-social".
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003681580_essay26.html
Illinois police arrest teen after teacher "disturbed" by essay
Nuff said.
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 12:58:36 PM |
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On 28 Apr 2007 09:11:42 -0700, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Bear in mind, the age of sexual consent in Canada is just 14 years of
age, for girls and boys. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada,
born in the U.S., brought up in Canada, moved back to the U.S. because
I didn't like the arbitrary socialist control structures in Canada.
It is, actually, a VERY weird country. Really, it's more of a colony
than a country. They don't believe in independant thought, because,
throughout their history, they've always been totally dependant on
some other great power -- France, Britain, America, now China to some
extent. You think what you're TOLD to think. They're extremely
conformist, by nature and training.
Like most socialist countries, they don't really have a powerful
religious authority. Sure, there are Churches, Synagogues, Mosques,
Temples, but they have to be much more careful about what they say
than in the U.S. No freedom of Speech. You don't say anything the
government feels is "anti-social". The government tells you what to
do, and what to think.
Sure does. <cough>*****!<cough>
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 05:50:30 PM |
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On 28 Apr., 18:11, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bear in mind, the age of sexual consent in Canada is just 14 years of
age, for girls and boys. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada,
born in the U.S., brought up in Canada, moved back to the U.S. because
I didn't like the arbitrary socialist control structures in Canada.
Oh, we got that: you're one of the know-it-all arrogant moron yankee.
Guess what: we don't wan't you!
It is, actually, a VERY weird country.
No death penalty. Healthcare for everyone. Low criminal rate. Yup:
only an American can find that weird!
Really, it's more of a colony
than a country. They don't believe in independant thought, because,
throughout their history, they've always been totally dependant on
some other great power -- France, Britain, America, now China to some
extent. You think what you're TOLD to think. They're extremely
conformist, by nature and training.
As opposed to Americans who still believes that Earth was created in
seven days, that there are a heaven and a hell, that sex before
marriage is "wrong"...
Tell us: are you *playing* the dumb American or are you *that* dumb?
Like most socialist countries,
Sure...
they don't really have a powerful
religious authority.
And you think this is bad because...
Sure, there are Churches, Synagogues, Mosques,
Temples, but they have to be much more careful about what they say
than in the U.S. No freedom of Speech.
Man, you're one sick moron: since you are from the country of "you're
either with us or against us", what the ***** do you know about freedom
of speech?!?!!?!?!?!?!
You don't say anything the
government feels is "anti-social". The government tells you what to
do, and what to think.
Do you know what the ***** you're talking about?
Canada is an underpopulated country, and they don't have millions of
Mexicans flooding across the border like the U.S.
And your point is?
The Government
wants women to have children. "If you're old enough to bleed, you're
old enough to breed."
What the ***** are you talking about?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Canada has one of the lowest birthrate in the Western world,
especially Quebec...
The attitudes of Canadians reflect the
The attitudes of Canadians reflect the
government's attitudes. They're tolerant of homosexuality,
What's wrong with that?
pedophilia,
Please give us some quotes and some sources...
drugs, alcoholism etc. because they want people to be
drunk, stoned and getting laid in their rooms/homes, rather than
challenging the government.
OK, I get it: you're making fun of the USA...
You're good. You almost got me.
That way, they won't be causing any
"trouble". The Government can just live off exporting the resources
of this extremely rich country. They don't want or need people to
actually "do anything". Other than have kids, that is.
Fantastic!
Thank you for making fun of Americans and their legendary
ignorance!!!!
You're a true Canadian!
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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29 Apr 2007 03:11:52 PM |
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On Apr 28, 5:50 pm, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 Apr., 18:11, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bear in mind, the age of sexual consent in Canada is just 14 years of
age, for girls and boys. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada,
born in the U.S., brought up in Canada, moved back to the U.S. because
I didn't like the arbitrary socialist control structures in Canada.
Oh, we got that: you're one of the know-it-all arrogant moron yankee.
Guess what: we don't wan't you!
It is, actually, a VERY weird country.
No death penalty. Healthcare for everyone. Low criminal rate. Yup:
only an American can find that weird!
Really, it's more of a colony
than a country. They don't believe in independant thought, because,
throughout their history, they've always been totally dependant on
some other great power -- France, Britain, America, now China to some
extent. You think what you're TOLD to think. They're extremely
conformist, by nature and training.
As opposed to Americans who still believes that Earth was created in
seven days, that there are a heaven and a hell, that sex before
marriage is "wrong"...
Tell us: are you *playing* the dumb American or are you *that* dumb?
Like most socialist countries,
Sure...
they don't really have a powerful
religious authority.
And you think this is bad because...
Sure, there are Churches, Synagogues, Mosques,
Temples, but they have to be much more careful about what they say
than in the U.S. No freedom of Speech.
Man, you're one sick moron: since you are from the country of "you're
either with us or against us", what the ***** do you know about freedom
of speech?!?!!?!?!?!?!
You don't say anything the
government feels is "anti-social". The government tells you what to
do, and what to think.
Do you know what the ***** you're talking about?
Canada is an underpopulated country, and they don't have millions of
Mexicans flooding across the border like the U.S.
And your point is?
The Government
wants women to have children. "If you're old enough to bleed, you're
old enough to breed."
What the ***** are you talking about?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Canada has one of the lowest birthrate in the Western world,
especially Quebec...
The attitudes of Canadians reflect the
The attitudes of Canadians reflect the
government's attitudes. They're tolerant of homosexuality,
What's wrong with that?
pedophilia,
Please give us some quotes and some sources...
drugs, alcoholism etc. because they want people to be
drunk, stoned and getting laid in their rooms/homes, rather than
challenging the government.
OK, I get it: you're making fun of the USA...
You're good. You almost got me.
That way, they won't be causing any
"trouble". The Government can just live off exporting the resources
of this extremely rich country. They don't want or need people to
actually "do anything". Other than have kids, that is.
Fantastic!
Thank you for making fun of Americans and their legendary
ignorance!!!!
You're a true Canadian!
As I said, I'm a dual citizen. I fully understand the Canadian
perspective. By the way I can solve your problem of identity. The
Canadian identity is really very simple:
"If I do exactly what the Government tells me to do, the Government
will probably keep me reasonably safe and comfortable."
There. Feel better?
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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29 Apr 2007 04:15:21 PM |
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Jerry Kraus wrote:
On Apr 28, 5:50 pm, Parsifal <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 28 Apr., 18:11, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bear in mind, the age of sexual consent in Canada is just 14 years of
age, for girls and boys. I'm a dual citizen of the U.S. and Canada,
born in the U.S., brought up in Canada, moved back to the U.S. because
I didn't like the arbitrary socialist control structures in Canada.
Oh, we got that: you're one of the know-it-all arrogant moron yankee.
Guess what: we don't wan't you!
It is, actually, a VERY weird country.
No death penalty. Healthcare for everyone. Low criminal rate. Yup:
only an American can find that weird!
Really, it's more of a colony
than a country. They don't believe in independant thought, because,
throughout their history, they've always been totally dependant on
some other great power -- France, Britain, America, now China to some
extent. You think what you're TOLD to think. They're extremely
conformist, by nature and training.
As opposed to Americans who still believes that Earth was created in
seven days, that there are a heaven and a hell, that sex before
marriage is "wrong"...
Tell us: are you *playing* the dumb American or are you *that* dumb?
Like most socialist countries,
Sure...
they don't really have a powerful
religious authority.
And you think this is bad because...
Sure, there are Churches, Synagogues, Mosques,
Temples, but they have to be much more careful about what they say
than in the U.S. No freedom of Speech.
Man, you're one sick moron: since you are from the country of "you're
either with us or against us", what the ***** do you know about freedom
of speech?!?!!?!?!?!?!
You don't say anything the
government feels is "anti-social". The government tells you what to
do, and what to think.
Do you know what the ***** you're talking about?
Canada is an underpopulated country, and they don't have millions of
Mexicans flooding across the border like the U.S.
And your point is?
The Government
wants women to have children. "If you're old enough to bleed, you're
old enough to breed."
What the ***** are you talking about?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Canada has one of the lowest birthrate in the Western world,
especially Quebec...
The attitudes of Canadians reflect the
The attitudes of Canadians reflect the
government's attitudes. They're tolerant of homosexuality,
What's wrong with that?
pedophilia,
Please give us some quotes and some sources...
drugs, alcoholism etc. because they want people to be
drunk, stoned and getting laid in their rooms/homes, rather than
challenging the government.
OK, I get it: you're making fun of the USA...
You're good. You almost got me.
That way, they won't be causing any
"trouble". The Government can just live off exporting the resources
of this extremely rich country. They don't want or need people to
actually "do anything". Other than have kids, that is.
Fantastic!
Thank you for making fun of Americans and their legendary
ignorance!!!!
You're a true Canadian!
As I said, I'm a dual citizen. I fully understand the Canadian
perspective. By the way I can solve your problem of identity. The
Canadian identity is really very simple:
"If I do exactly what the Government tells me to do, the Government
will probably keep me reasonably safe and comfortable."
There. Feel better?
Sounds good. If you stop at red lights, you can be reasonably safe from
other cars slamming into you and, thus, aiding your comfort level.
Isn't that doing exactly what the Government tells you to do? Stop
driving your car at a light of a certain color and then go when another
light of a different color glows?
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
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* Christianity: A belief in a cosmic Jewish zombie *
* who was his own father will let you live forever *
* if you pretend to eat his flesh, drink his blood, *
* and telepathically tell him that you accept him as *
* your master, so he can remove an evil force from *
* your soul that he put there a long time ago as pun- *
* ishment for all humanity because a rib-woman made *
* from a dust-man was convinced by a talking snake *
* to eat fruit from a magical tree. *
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| User: "buck" |
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28 Apr 2007 07:55:29 PM |
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Parsifal said:
No death penalty. Healthcare for everyone. Low criminal rate. Yup:
only an American can find that weird!
New crime surveys show that the USA don't have no crime anymore since we don't
have no gun laws and packing is a deterrent. Weer the only free people on
earth.
Scientists say that in the US every day, a gun prevents 100 million crimes and
saves 65 million lives in the USA alone.
One day we'll get rid of law enforcement and just have private security and
mandatory CCW for all men, women and children (maybe not queers and a few other
ethnics like Muslims and vegetarians).
Bush is beginning to look like a gun grabber. The Whitehouse
is in the habit of disarming visitors these days, denying us our God given
right to keep and bear arms. The same with NASCAR, NFL, college ball, NBA and
NCAA basketball. You need a gun, I can't expect them to defend me if there's
an Al Queda hostage taking or an act of terrorism. or a big stickup or an
industrial disaster or an assault or an attempt on my life, only my gun can do
that. That's why so-called safe storage laws are bunk. You need a gun within
reach at all times, one that you can fire at a moment's notice because when
they break down your door and charge in with Mac 11's or assault rifles, you
got to be ready to pick up your gun and shoot. No trigger locks and no safety.
An armed society is one that people are polite and respectful because they know
that if they are rude or don't obey the ways of the Bible, they could go down
in a hail of gunfire at a moments notice. Surveys show that when kids go to
class wearing a gun, they don't get bullied and there are fewer playground
disputes.
That's my America, love it or leave it, just don't tread on me.
See you in Hell.
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| User: "Martin Phipps" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 11:20:41 AM |
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It isn't. It's a mental illness. It makes as much sense to say
bipolar disorder is immoral. It saddens me to think that 81% of
Canadians don't realize this.
Incidentally, Christianity is also a mental illness. So are
Christians automatically immoral? Hmm. Maybe.
Martin
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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28 Apr 2007 06:50:01 PM |
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On 28 Apr 2007 09:20:41 -0700, Martin Phipps <martinphipps2@yahoo.com>
wrote:
It isn't. It's a mental illness. It makes as much sense to say
bipolar disorder is immoral. It saddens me to think that 81% of
Canadians don't realize this.
It's not that they necessarily don't realize it as they reason the
question is really about child molestation.
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| User: "raven1" |
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27 Apr 2007 07:18:33 PM |
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On 27 Apr 2007 16:58:02 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/Commentary/2006/06/13/1628893.html
EDITORIAL: Scary statistics!
Looking at the "morality barometer" poll in yesterday's paper, we're
struck by several things, the first being that Leger Marketing
actually did a survey on how Canadians view a number of moral issues.
This is remarkable insofar as the Canadian establishment continually
tries to push moral and social issues off the table - witness the
complete lack of debate in this country over controversial topics like
abortion and gambling -
Err, wouldn't a "complete lack of debate" tend to indicate that the
topics aren't actually controversial?
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"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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27 Apr 2007 07:26:04 PM |
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On 27 Apr 2007 16:58:02 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
But flip the answer around, and we find a far more disturbing
statistic. If 81% of Canadians think pedophilia is immoral, then 19%
of Canadians either refused to answer or believe that pedophilia is,
in fact, a moral behaviour. A good behaviour. One that should not be
judged by society.
Fooey. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 20% of Canadians are foggy
on exactly what "pedophilia" even means.
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| User: "John Henry" |
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27 Apr 2007 07:45:57 PM |
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David Johnston said:
On 27 Apr 2007 16:58:02 -0700, Sound of Trumpet
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
But flip the answer around, and we find a far more disturbing
statistic. If 81% of Canadians think pedophilia is immoral, then 19%
of Canadians either refused to answer or believe that pedophilia is,
in fact, a moral behaviour. A good behaviour. One that should not be
judged by society.
Fooey. I wouldn't be surprised if at least 20% of Canadians are foggy
on exactly what "pedophilia" even means.
Normally, John "Sound of Trumpet" Lauzon wouldn't quote an editorial, unless of
course it came from the fair-and-balanced analysis from the website (funded by
the Campaign Life Coalition) LifeSiteNews.com
Cuckoo! Cuckoo!
"Out! Demon Spirits! Out! I say!"
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| User: "Greg P Carr" |
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27 Apr 2007 11:39:13 PM |
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On Apr 27, 3:58 pm, Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
http://www.edmontonsun.com/Comment/Commentary/2006/06/13/1628893.html
EDITORIAL: Scary statistics!
Looking at the "morality barometer" poll in yesterday's paper, we're
struck by several things, the first being that Leger Marketing
actually did a survey on how Canadians view a number of moral issues.
This is remarkable insofar as the Canadian establishment continually
tries to push moral and social issues off the table - witness the
complete lack of debate in this country over controversial topics like
abortion and gambling - claiming that Canadians are tolerant and
understanding and non-judgmental and it's only closed-minded right-
wingers from Alberta who are trying to push moral agendas on Canada.
The other thing that struck us about the poll was how Canadians
actually responded to the question, "Do you consider the following
behaviour immoral?" with the pollster asking it over and over again
with a new behaviour listed each time. It turns out that despite the
reluctance of politicians to talk about moral issues and the even
bigger reluctance of many journalists in this country to write about
them, Canadians have no difficulties, when asked, categorizing certain
behaviours as moral or immoral.
Finally, the one thing that came leaping off the pollster report and
hit us squarely between the eyes was the result to the question on how
Canadians view pedophilia.
Overall, 81% of Canadians said that they considered pedophilia to be
immoral. Of all the immoral behaviours listed by Leger Marketing,
pedophilia - being sexually attracted to young children - had the
highest rate of condemnation by Canadians.
But flip the answer around, and we find a far more disturbing
statistic. If 81% of Canadians think pedophilia is immoral, then 19%
of Canadians either refused to answer or believe that pedophilia is,
in fact, a moral behaviour. A good behaviour. One that should not be
judged by society.
That's almost one in five people in this country! That's creepy
enough. It gets worse. Only 77% of Albertans said pedophilia is
immoral, just two percentage points behind Saskatchewan and Manitoba,
where the 75% condemnation was the lowest in Canada. Quebecers are
actually the least tolerant of pedophilia, with a full 91% of them
saying that it's immoral.
The Leger poll also offers up a statistic that suggests Canada's
tolerance of pedophilia will slowly grow with time, noting that older
Canadians are far more likely to see the practice as immoral versus
those in the 18- to 24-year-old crowd, where only 74% agreed lusting
after pre-pubescent kids is wrong.
Sure, this report doesn't mean that 19% of Canadians are pedophiles.
But surely if there was one behaviour in this world that could be
universally rebuked at a rate of 99% of higher, it would be
pedophilia. Apparently not.
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia. Fact is a significant % of the population think the govt
should pay for heroin and meth and allow them to download child porn.
The laws in Canada are too lax when it comes to child porn and there
should be a minimum 6 month jail sentence. If these ppl want help they
can get free psychiatric help before they are caught.
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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28 Apr 2007 02:53:20 AM |
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Greg P Carr
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
If pedophilia is what the government defines it to be, then I too am
in favor of pedophilia.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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| User: "Nick Lowe" |
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28 Apr 2007 03:21:21 AM |
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James A. Donald said:
Greg P Carr
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
If pedophilia is what the government defines it to be, then I too am
in favor of pedophilia.
That's irrelevant, until we hear what Don Cherry and Gordie Howe have to say.
Personally, I'm with Don Cherry. Many of us have suffered pedophilia, but
it's nothing that a $19.00 investment in odour eaters can't fix.
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| User: "Nick Lowe" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 02:01:09 AM |
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Greg P Carr said:
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia
That probably explains why renowned Leaf Captain Dave Keon Sr. (Dave Keon Jr.
is a goal judge) only shows up at Toronto Leafs public meetings on ice, and
wearing "fur" whilst waving a the crowd!
And he's applauded! (I was expecting him to be carrying a *dead* baby seal!)
Chrissy Hynde would attack.
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 06:22:15 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 03:01:09 -0400, Nick Lowe <nlowe@rockpile.net>
wrote:
Greg P Carr said:
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia
That probably explains why renowned Leaf Captain Dave Keon Sr. (Dave Keon Jr.
is a goal judge) only shows up at Toronto Leafs public meetings on ice, and
wearing "fur" whilst waving a the crowd!
Say, what do you suppose Nick Lowe thinks pedophilia is?
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| User: "Nick Lowe" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
27 Apr 2007 11:52:21 PM |
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Greg P Carr said:
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Then there's how the (still, rather brilliant song writer from Napanee,
Ontario) Avril Lavigne wore a Canadian "Home Hardware" soccer shirt from her
home town whist performing on Saturday Night Live back in 2005, and every
"little girl" in the USA demanded the same shirt so she could wear it to school
(nobody in the USA had heard of Canada's "Home Hardware").
The Home Hardware shop in Napanee's phone was ringing off the hook!
Get with the trend!
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| User: "Greg Carr" |
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28 Apr 2007 04:54:11 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:52:21 -0400, Nick Lowe <nlowe@rockpile.net>
wrote:
Greg P Carr said:
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Then there's how the (still, rather brilliant song writer from Napanee,
Ontario) Avril Lavigne wore a Canadian "Home Hardware" soccer shirt from her
home town whist performing on Saturday Night Live back in 2005, and every
"little girl" in the USA demanded the same shirt so she could wear it to school
(nobody in the USA had heard of Canada's "Home Hardware").
The Home Hardware shop in Napanee's phone was ringing off the hook!
Get with the trend!
I'm a fan of Avril but I don't see what this has to do with what I
posted. I liked her cover of Fuel and her new hit song is great.
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| User: "Maurice" |
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28 Apr 2007 05:41:15 AM |
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Greg Carr said:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:52:21 -0400, Nick Lowe <nlowe@rockpile.net>
wrote:
Greg P Carr said:
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Then there's how the (still, rather brilliant song writer from Napanee,
Ontario) Avril Lavigne wore a Canadian "Home Hardware" soccer shirt from her
home town whist performing on Saturday Night Live back in 2005, and every
"little girl" in the USA demanded the same shirt so she could wear it to school
(nobody in the USA had heard of Canada's "Home Hardware").
The Home Hardware shop in Napanee's phone was ringing off the hook!
Get with the trend!
I'm a fan of Avril but I don't see what this has to do with what I
posted. I liked her cover of Fuel and her new hit song is great.
She's a ***** who wears too much make-up!
No wonder why she was never married in a Church!
Why can't she be like Celine?
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| User: "=?iso-8859-15?Q?Eric=A9?=" |
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30 Apr 2007 12:39:38 PM |
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wrote...
Greg Carr said:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:52:21 -0400, Nick Lowe <nlowe@rockpile.net>
wrote:
Greg P Carr said:
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Then there's how the (still, rather brilliant song writer from Napanee,
Ontario) Avril Lavigne wore a Canadian "Home Hardware" soccer shirt from her
home town whist performing on Saturday Night Live back in 2005, and every
"little girl" in the USA demanded the same shirt so she could wear it to school
(nobody in the USA had heard of Canada's "Home Hardware").
The Home Hardware shop in Napanee's phone was ringing off the hook!
Get with the trend!
I'm a fan of Avril but I don't see what this has to do with what I
posted. I liked her cover of Fuel and her new hit song is great.
She's a ***** who wears too much make-up!
No wonder why she was never married in a Church!
Why can't she be like Celine?
Greg - in case you're wondering, "Maurice" is also "Nick Lowe". This
kook appears to have REALLY gone off his medication this past weekend.
Eric
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 01:44:40 AM |
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On 27 Apr 2007 21:39:13 -0700, Greg P Carr <gregcarrsober@gmail.com>
wrote:
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Except that lusting after the 15 year-old is actually ephebephilia.
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 11:00:38 AM |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:44:40 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
wrote:
On 27 Apr 2007 21:39:13 -0700, Greg P Carr <gregcarrsober@gmail.com>
wrote:
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Except that lusting after the 15 year-old is actually ephebephilia.
But engaging in conduct considered sexual, brings the same punishment.
Up to 25 years in prison. Lusting after is not a crime, but sexy
pictures of them in your possession is a crime.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 12:57:41 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:00:38 -0700, Robert <robpar@netportusa.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:44:40 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
wrote:
On 27 Apr 2007 21:39:13 -0700, Greg P Carr <gregcarrsober@gmail.com>
wrote:
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Except that lusting after the 15 year-old is actually ephebephilia.
But engaging in conduct considered sexual, brings the same punishment.
That depends on where your local jurisdiction decides to draw the
arbitrary line. But the subject was not "is it criminal".
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| User: "Robert" |
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28 Apr 2007 05:55:02 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:57:41 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:00:38 -0700, Robert <robpar@netportusa.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:44:40 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
wrote:
On 27 Apr 2007 21:39:13 -0700, Greg P Carr <gregcarrsober@gmail.com>
wrote:
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Except that lusting after the 15 year-old is actually ephebephilia.
But engaging in conduct considered sexual, brings the same punishment.
That depends on where your local jurisdiction decides to draw the
arbitrary line. But the subject was not "is it criminal".
Reality check, it's illegal most every where. That makes it
criminal, as far as it being "wrong" , IMO it depends on the
circumstances. How willing was the underage sex partner, it could be
simply contributing to delinquency of a minor. Or in the case of 5-6
year old, it could be Rape or indecency with a child, Depend on what
acts were done.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "BTR1701" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 08:30:14 PM |
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In article <boj733hsrvv6eniadr9e2ldjk78d8vlbn5@4ax.com>,
Robert <robpar@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:57:41 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:00:38 -0700, Robert <robpar@netportusa.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:44:40 GMT, David Johnston <david@block.net>
wrote:
On 27 Apr 2007 21:39:13 -0700, Greg P Carr <gregcarrsober@gmail.com>
wrote:
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Except that lusting after the 15 year-old is actually ephebephilia.
But engaging in conduct considered sexual, brings the same punishment.
That depends on where your local jurisdiction decides to draw the
arbitrary line. But the subject was not "is it criminal".
Reality check, it's illegal most every where.
Having sex with a 15-year-old is not "illegal most everywhere". There
are several states in the USA where the age of consent is as low as 14.
In addition, dozens of countries around the world have age of consent
laws such that 15 is perfectly legal.
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| User: "Jerry Kraus" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 03:59:36 PM |
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On Apr 28, 5:55 pm, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:57:41 GMT, David Johnston <d...@block.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:00:38 -0700, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:44:40 GMT, David Johnston <d...@block.net>
wrote:
On 27 Apr 2007 21:39:13 -0700, Greg P Carr <gregcarrso...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Except that lusting after the 15 year-old is actually ephebephilia.
But engaging in conduct considered sexual, brings the same punishment.
That depends on where your local jurisdiction decides to draw the
arbitrary line. But the subject was not "is it criminal".
Reality check, it's illegal most every where. That makes it
criminal, as far as it being "wrong" , IMO it depends on the
circumstances. How willing was the underage sex partner, it could be
simply contributing to delinquency of a minor. Or in the case of 5-6
year old, it could be Rape or indecency with a child, Depend on what
acts were done.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text -
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I think the point being made by the Americans here, is that the
Canadian attitude is inconsistent with normal human notions of
morality. Why is that? Is there something a bit weird about the
Canadian attitude to society in general? Hmmmmm?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 04:37:38 PM |
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Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Apr 28, 5:55 pm, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:57:41 GMT, David Johnston <d...@block.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:00:38 -0700, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:44:40 GMT, David Johnston <d...@block.net>
wrote:
On 27 Apr 2007 21:39:13 -0700, Greg P Carr <gregcarrso...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Except that lusting after the 15 year-old is actually ephebephilia.
But engaging in conduct considered sexual, brings the same punishment.
That depends on where your local jurisdiction decides to draw the
arbitrary line. But the subject was not "is it criminal".
Reality check, it's illegal most every where. That makes it
criminal, as far as it being "wrong" , IMO it depends on the
circumstances. How willing was the underage sex partner, it could be
simply contributing to delinquency of a minor. Or in the case of 5-6
year old, it could be Rape or indecency with a child, Depend on what
acts were done.
--
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I think the point being made by the Americans here, is that the
Canadian attitude is inconsistent with normal human notions of
morality. Why is that?
Because some right-wing bigot took some opportunity to lie about what
Canadians will tolerate.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "David Johnston" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 04:25:23 PM |
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On 28 Apr 2007 13:59:36 -0700, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1999@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Apr 28, 5:55 pm, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com> wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:57:41 GMT, David Johnston <d...@block.net>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 09:00:38 -0700, Robert <rob...@netportusa.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 06:44:40 GMT, David Johnston <d...@block.net>
wrote:
On 27 Apr 2007 21:39:13 -0700, Greg P Carr <gregcarrso...@gmail.com>
wrote:
It would seem that acceptance of pedophilia in Canada is already far
more mainstream than most Canadians would have thought possible.
Lusting towards a 15 yr old female with 36 C breasts is a lot
different than lusting after a flat chested 7 yr old but both are
pedophilia.
Except that lusting after the 15 year-old is actually ephebephilia.
But engaging in conduct considered sexual, brings the same punishment.
That depends on where your local jurisdiction decides to draw the
arbitrary line. But the subject was not "is it criminal".
Reality check, it's illegal most every where. That makes it
criminal, as far as it being "wrong" , IMO it depends on the
circumstances. How willing was the underage sex partner, it could be
simply contributing to delinquency of a minor. Or in the case of 5-6
year old, it could be Rape or indecency with a child, Depend on what
acts were done.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text -
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I think the point being made by the Americans here, is that the
Canadian attitude is inconsistent with normal human notions of
morality.
The point is wrong. An overwhelming majority of Canadians agree that
sex with prepubescents is wrong. And most of them agree that adults
having sex with teenagers is wrong as well.
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| User: "James A. Donald" |
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| Title: Re: 19% Of Canadians Think Pedophilia Is Not Immoral |
28 Apr 2007 11:47:10 PM |
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David Johnston <david@block.net> wrote:
The point is wrong. An overwhelming majority of
Canadians agree that sex with prepubescents is wrong.
And most of them agree that adults having sex with
teenagers is wrong as well.
I don't think most of them agree that having sex with
teenagers is wrong, except in the sense that they agree
that taking recreational drugs is wrong. If a
reasonably handsome and fit forty seven year old male
goes on a date with seventeen year old girl, no one gets
upset, just as if someone smokes some dope, no one gets
upset - people vote to affirm morals that they
themselves do not much care about. Voting is a cheap
way to demonstrate one's superior virtue.
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We have the right to defend ourselves and our property, because
of the kind of animals that we are. True law derives from this
right, not from the arbitrary power of the omnipotent state.
http://www.jim.com/ James A. Donald
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