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http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years ago
April 12, was a believer and could not have uttered the famous words
attributed to him that he "has been to space and has seen no God," according
to the first cosmonaut's colleague and good friend.
Col. Valentin Petrov, an associate professor at the Russian Gagarin Air
Force Academy and former teacher of cosmonauts, stated in an April 12, 2006,
interview to the Moscow-based Interfax News Service, stated that the phrase
belonged to Soviet leader Nikita Khruschev and was said during the party
meeting devoted to anti-religious propaganda.
"At that time, Khruschev gave all the party and komsomol organizations the
task to promote this propaganda and said: 'Why should you clutch at God?
Look, Gagarin flew in space and saw no God," the Russian colonel said.
With time, he added, these words began to be deliberately ascribed to
Gagarin, "who was the people's favorite and such a statement from his lips
could be of tremendous importance."
Meanwhile, Petrov insisted, "Yuri was baptized just as any Russian and, as
far as I can know, was a believer" and he just could not "utter such words."
On April 12, 1961, Gagarin made history, as the 4 3/4-ton Vostok 1
spacecraft orbited the Earth once in 1 hour 29 minutes at a maximum altitude
of 187 miles and landed less than two hours after its launch.
He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane accident,
flying as a test-pilot.
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youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 12:28:26 AM |
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<youngopinions@aol.com> writes:
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years ago
April 12, was a believer and could not have uttered the famous words
attributed to him that he "has been to space and has seen no God," according
to the first cosmonaut's colleague and good friend.
Col. Valentin Petrov, an associate professor at the Russian Gagarin Air
Force Academy and former teacher of cosmonauts, stated in an April 12, 2006,
interview to the Moscow-based Interfax News Service, stated that the phrase
belonged to Soviet leader Nikita Khruschev and was said during the party
meeting devoted to anti-religious propaganda.
"At that time, Khruschev gave all the party and komsomol organizations the
task to promote this propaganda and said: 'Why should you clutch at God?
Look, Gagarin flew in space and saw no God," the Russian colonel said.
With time, he added, these words began to be deliberately ascribed to
Gagarin, "who was the people's favorite and such a statement from his lips
could be of tremendous importance."
Meanwhile, Petrov insisted, "Yuri was baptized just as any Russian and, as
far as I can know, was a believer" and he just could not "utter such words."
On April 12, 1961, Gagarin made history, as the 4 3/4-ton Vostok 1
spacecraft orbited the Earth once in 1 hour 29 minutes at a maximum altitude
of 187 miles and landed less than two hours after its launch.
He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane accident,
flying as a test-pilot.
So, he was baptized in the USSR in the late 1930s? Considering the rampage
that Dzhugashvili was on in 1938, that stretches the bounds of
credibility...unless Yuriy was fortunate to have been near a secret church
*far* away in the taiga.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2005-06 Houston Aeros)
LAST GAME: Chicago 6, Houston 5 (April 15)
NEXT GAME: Sunday, April 16 at Iowa, 5:05
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| User: "Parsifal" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 01:49:24 AM |
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*http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
How about coming with more credible sources, idiot...
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 10:53:50 AM |
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In article <H9SdnbXpCJcyJNzZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years ago
April 12, was a believer
Too begin with, there's a fair amount of confusion over what Gherman
Titov, the second man in space, and Yuri Gagarin are supposed to have
said. It's possible that they both made similar comments, in which case,
even if Yuri didn't say it, Gherman apparently did.
Now as to the cathaholic agitprop being cited, what petrov claims is,
"Yuri was baptized just as any Russian". Stop the presses, that doesn't
mean *****. Baptism was utterly irrelevant, since it would happen when
one is an infant. Of course, no evidence is offered, like a baptismal
certificate. This guy is just conjecturing that all Russians are
baptised. But if that's true, how does he explain how so many of them
still managed to be atheists? Petrov went on to say, "as far as I can
know, was a believer". That seems like a strange qualification when the
article is so insistent about it. The source himself is actually
admitting that he doesn't really know the extent of gagarin's beliefs
about god. More importantly, even a believer could honestly say that he
did not see god in space, since there is no god in evidence there. But
I'm not suprised that catholics would grasp at straws to engage in
historical revisionism.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "serwad" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 07:55:55 PM |
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"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1eac167aaa23809a989921@news.readfreenews.net...
In article <H9SdnbXpCJcyJNzZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com>,
youngopinions@aol.com says...
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years ago
April 12, was a believer
Too begin with, there's a fair amount of confusion over what Gherman
Titov, the second man in space, and Yuri Gagarin are supposed to have
said. It's possible that they both made similar comments, in which case,
even if Yuri didn't say it, Gherman apparently did.
Now as to the cathaholic agitprop being cited, what petrov claims is,
"Yuri was baptized just as any Russian". Stop the presses, that doesn't
mean *****. Baptism was utterly irrelevant, since it would happen when
one is an infant. Of course, no evidence is offered, like a baptismal
certificate. This guy is just conjecturing that all Russians are
baptised. But if that's true, how does he explain how so many of them
still managed to be atheists? Petrov went on to say, "as far as I can
know, was a believer". That seems like a strange qualification when the
article is so insistent about it. The source himself is actually
admitting that he doesn't really know the extent of gagarin's beliefs
about god. More importantly, even a believer could honestly say that he
did not see god in space, since there is no god in evidence there. But
I'm not suprised that catholics would grasp at straws to engage in
historical revisionism.
Just supposing that Yuri was baptised, and that he somehow became a
Christian in the process, does that entitle him to "see God" in space? And
not anyone else?
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "serwad" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
15 Apr 2006 10:35:33 PM |
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NONSENSE! YURI'S DAIRY IS IN THE MUSEUM ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON. THERE IS
NOT ONE WORD IN IT THAT SUGGESTS THAT HE WAS A CHRISTIAN, I HAVE READ IT,
YOU HAVE NOT!
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:H9SdnbXpCJcyJNzZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com...
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years ago
April 12, was a believer and could not have uttered the famous words
attributed to him that he "has been to space and has seen no God,"
according
to the first cosmonaut's colleague and good friend.
Col. Valentin Petrov, an associate professor at the Russian Gagarin Air
Force Academy and former teacher of cosmonauts, stated in an April 12,
2006,
interview to the Moscow-based Interfax News Service, stated that the
phrase
belonged to Soviet leader Nikita Khruschev and was said during the party
meeting devoted to anti-religious propaganda.
"At that time, Khruschev gave all the party and komsomol organizations the
task to promote this propaganda and said: 'Why should you clutch at God?
Look, Gagarin flew in space and saw no God," the Russian colonel said.
With time, he added, these words began to be deliberately ascribed to
Gagarin, "who was the people's favorite and such a statement from his lips
could be of tremendous importance."
Meanwhile, Petrov insisted, "Yuri was baptized just as any Russian and, as
far as I can know, was a believer" and he just could not "utter such
words."
On April 12, 1961, Gagarin made history, as the 4 3/4-ton Vostok 1
spacecraft orbited the Earth once in 1 hour 29 minutes at a maximum
altitude
of 187 miles and landed less than two hours after its launch.
He died almost seven years later at 34 years of age in an airplane
accident,
flying as a test-pilot.
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J Young
youngopinions@aol.com
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| User: "Jeff White" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 02:15:03 AM |
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"serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:6Vi0g.3463$iB2.1739@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
NONSENSE! YURI'S DAIRY IS IN THE MUSEUM ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON. THERE
IS NOT ONE WORD IN IT THAT SUGGESTS THAT HE WAS A CHRISTIAN, I HAVE READ
IT, YOU HAVE NOT!
who cares if gagarin was a theist? i don't care if EVERYBODY is a theist,
i'm still not going to believe anything!
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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16 Apr 2006 02:25:22 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:35:33 -0400, "serwad" <serwad@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <6Vi0g.3463$iB2.1739@bignews4.bellsouth.net>
NONSENSE! YURI'S DAIRY IS IN THE MUSEUM ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON. THERE IS
NOT ONE WORD IN IT THAT SUGGESTS THAT HE WAS A CHRISTIAN, I HAVE READ IT,
YOU HAVE NOT!
"Young" cannot read English, let alone Russian...
His stock in trade is outright lies.
Old recycled ones at that.
Don't burst a boiler on his behalf.
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Michael Gray
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| User: "--sexkitten--" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonelsaid |
15 Apr 2006 10:54:26 PM |
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serwad wrote:
NONSENSE! YURI'S DAIRY IS IN THE MUSEUM ON THE MALL IN WASHINGTON. THERE IS
NOT ONE WORD IN IT THAT SUGGESTS THAT HE WAS A CHRISTIAN, I HAVE READ IT,
YOU HAVE NOT!
You didn't really think that a website called catholic.org would be
truthful about such things, did you?
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Epicurus
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 10:32:58 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:28:43 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> in
alt.abortion with message-id
<H9SdnbXpCJcyJNzZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com> wrote:
Off topic spam.
What does this have to do with abortion or the Freedom of Choice?
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 11:38:22 AM |
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:28:43 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years ago
April 12, was a believer and could not have uttered the famous words
attributed to him that he "has been to space and has seen no God," according
to the first cosmonaut's colleague and good friend.
And your point is...?
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Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "satyr" |
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15 Apr 2006 11:51:03 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:28:43 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
"At that time, Khruschev gave all the party and komsomol organizations the
task to promote this propaganda and said: 'Why should you clutch at God?
Look, Gagarin flew in space and saw no God," the Russian colonel said.
Meanwhile, Petrov insisted, "Yuri was baptized just as any Russian and, as
far as I can know, was a believer" and he just could not "utter such words."
Why not? Did he see god? Has anyone who has gone to space seen god?
--
satyr #1953
Chairman, EAC Church Taxation Subcommittee
Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Therion Ware" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 12:53:48 AM |
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On the auspictious date of Sun, 16 Apr 2006 04:51:03 GMT, satyr said
unto the multitude in message-id
<q2j342101u5jtbung4mpl1omr35c1kgo8r@4ax.com>:
On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 23:28:43 -0400, <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
"At that time, Khruschev gave all the party and komsomol organizations the
task to promote this propaganda and said: 'Why should you clutch at God?
Look, Gagarin flew in space and saw no God," the Russian colonel said.
Meanwhile, Petrov insisted, "Yuri was baptized just as any Russian and, as
far as I can know, was a believer" and he just could not "utter such words."
Why not? Did he see god? Has anyone who has gone to space seen god?
No, but then NASA did censor all those reports about the elephants and
turtles.
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"Do unto others as you would have then do unto you".
- attrib: Pauline Réage.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 1st cosmonaut never denied seeing God in space, Russian colonel said |
16 Apr 2006 07:28:19 AM |
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Previously, on alt.atheism, youngopinions in episode
<H9SdnbXpCJcyJNzZnZ2dnUVZ_tydnZ2d@giganews.com>...
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19417
MOSCOW (Interfax) - Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space 45 years ago
April 12, was a believer and could not have uttered the famous words
attributed to him that he "has been to space and has seen no God,"
according to the first cosmonaut's colleague and good friend.
So. What?
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