Religions > Atheism > 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values}
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2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn’t traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
“It’s the worst case of malnutrition I’ve ever seen,” said police Lt.
E.J. Bastian. The 6- and 7-year-old girls were found Friday in a home’s
basement, were they were kept.
The girls’ stepmother, whose biological children were found healthy and
well-fed upstairs, was taken in for questioning. Their father, traveling
on business, was to be questioned when he returned, police said.
State social workers discovered the girls after receiving a tip and
checking on their welfare. They then called police.
The two girls told police they ate whenever their father was home, which
wasn’t a lot. With the father gone this week and next week, “they were
really hoping they could eat this weekend,” Bastian said.
Healthy stepsiblings
The house had plenty of food, and the stepsiblings, a 4-year-old girl
and an 8-year-old boy, were well cared for, Bastian said. They have been
placed in protective custody, where the emaciated girls also will go
once they leave the hospital.
A doctor told police it didn’t appear the girls had eaten in six days or
had anything to drink in three days, despite recent temperatures above
100 degrees.
But it was obvious the girls had been starved for much longer than that,
he said.
“This isn’t a six-day starvation,” Bastian quoted a doctor as telling a
police officer. “Obviously, these kids have been starved for quite a
while.”
© 2006 The Associated Press
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
22 Jul 2006 08:50:09 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:50:05 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jqh5c215oaj4ggd20n9nerb8lrtlvd39sr@4ax.com>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn’t traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
“It’s the worst case of malnutrition I’ve ever seen,” said police Lt.
E.J. Bastian. The 6- and 7-year-old girls were found Friday in a home’s
basement, were they were kept.
The girls’ stepmother, whose biological children were found healthy and
well-fed upstairs, was taken in for questioning. Their father, traveling
on business, was to be questioned when he returned, police said.
State social workers discovered the girls after receiving a tip and
checking on their welfare. They then called police.
The two girls told police they ate whenever their father was home, which
wasn’t a lot. With the father gone this week and next week, “they were
really hoping they could eat this weekend,” Bastian said.
Healthy stepsiblings
The house had plenty of food, and the stepsiblings, a 4-year-old girl
and an 8-year-old boy, were well cared for, Bastian said. They have been
placed in protective custody, where the emaciated girls also will go
once they leave the hospital.
A doctor told police it didn’t appear the girls had eaten in six days or
had anything to drink in three days, despite recent temperatures above
100 degrees.
But it was obvious the girls had been starved for much longer than that,
he said.
“This isn’t a six-day starvation,” Bastian quoted a doctor as telling a
police officer. “Obviously, these kids have been starved for quite a
while.”
© 2006 The Associated Press
Why the "Christian" appellation in your title?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
31 Jul 2006 09:30:51 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:20:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:50:05 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jqh5c215oaj4ggd20n9nerb8lrtlvd39sr@4ax.com>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn’t traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
“It’s the worst case of malnutrition I’ve ever seen,” said police Lt.
E.J. Bastian. The 6- and 7-year-old girls were found Friday in a home’s
basement, were they were kept.
The girls’ stepmother, whose biological children were found healthy and
well-fed upstairs, was taken in for questioning. Their father, traveling
on business, was to be questioned when he returned, police said.
State social workers discovered the girls after receiving a tip and
checking on their welfare. They then called police.
The two girls told police they ate whenever their father was home, which
wasn’t a lot. With the father gone this week and next week, “they were
really hoping they could eat this weekend,” Bastian said.
Healthy stepsiblings
The house had plenty of food, and the stepsiblings, a 4-year-old girl
and an 8-year-old boy, were well cared for, Bastian said. They have been
placed in protective custody, where the emaciated girls also will go
once they leave the hospital.
A doctor told police it didn’t appear the girls had eaten in six days or
had anything to drink in three days, despite recent temperatures above
100 degrees.
But it was obvious the girls had been starved for much longer than that,
he said.
“This isn’t a six-day starvation,” Bastian quoted a doctor as telling a
police officer. “Obviously, these kids have been starved for quite a
while.”
© 2006 The Associated Press
Why the "Christian" appellation in your title?
Kansas.
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| User: "satyr" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
23 Jul 2006 06:53:37 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:20:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:50:05 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jqh5c215oaj4ggd20n9nerb8lrtlvd39sr@4ax.com>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn’t traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
Why the "Christian" appellation in your title?
It's in Wichita.
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Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
Supervisor, EAC Fossil Casting Lab
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
23 Jul 2006 07:56:31 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:53:37 GMT, satyr <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org>
wrote:
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 11:20:09 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2006 17:50:05 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <jqh5c215oaj4ggd20n9nerb8lrtlvd39sr@4ax.com>
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn’t traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
Why the "Christian" appellation in your title?
It's in Wichita.
Their are no atheists in Wichita?
Has anyone looked in their foxholes?
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
22 Jul 2006 11:16:24 PM |
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stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn't traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
"It's the worst case of malnutrition I've ever seen," said police Lt.
E.J. Bastian. The 6- and 7-year-old girls were found Friday in a home's
basement, were they were kept.
The girls' stepmother, whose biological children were found healthy and
well-fed upstairs, was taken in for questioning. Their father, traveling
on business, was to be questioned when he returned, police said.
State social workers discovered the girls after receiving a tip and
checking on their welfare. They then called police.
The two girls told police they ate whenever their father was home, which
wasn't a lot. With the father gone this week and next week, "they were
really hoping they could eat this weekend," Bastian said.
Healthy stepsiblings
The house had plenty of food, and the stepsiblings, a 4-year-old girl
and an 8-year-old boy, were well cared for, Bastian said. They have been
placed in protective custody, where the emaciated girls also will go
once they leave the hospital.
A doctor told police it didn't appear the girls had eaten in six days or
had anything to drink in three days, despite recent temperatures above
100 degrees.
But it was obvious the girls had been starved for much longer than that,
he said.
"This isn't a six-day starvation," Bastian quoted a doctor as telling a
police officer. "Obviously, these kids have been starved for quite a
while."
=A9 2006 The Associated Press
No indication that this was a result of Christianity. Sounds like a
secular variety of cruelty to me.
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| User: "leo" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
23 Jul 2006 01:44:15 AM |
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Chris Johnson ha escrito:
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn't traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
"It's the worst case of malnutrition I've ever seen," said police Lt.
E.J. Bastian. The 6- and 7-year-old girls were found Friday in a home's
basement, were they were kept.
The girls' stepmother, whose biological children were found healthy and
well-fed upstairs, was taken in for questioning. Their father, traveling
on business, was to be questioned when he returned, police said.
State social workers discovered the girls after receiving a tip and
checking on their welfare. They then called police.
The two girls told police they ate whenever their father was home, which
wasn't a lot. With the father gone this week and next week, "they were
really hoping they could eat this weekend," Bastian said.
Healthy stepsiblings
The house had plenty of food, and the stepsiblings, a 4-year-old girl
and an 8-year-old boy, were well cared for, Bastian said. They have been
placed in protective custody, where the emaciated girls also will go
once they leave the hospital.
A doctor told police it didn't appear the girls had eaten in six days or
had anything to drink in three days, despite recent temperatures above
100 degrees.
But it was obvious the girls had been starved for much longer than that,
he said.
"This isn't a six-day starvation," Bastian quoted a doctor as telling a
police officer. "Obviously, these kids have been starved for quite a
while."
=A9 2006 The Associated Press
No indication that this was a result of Christianity. Sounds like a
secular variety of cruelty to me.
surely this mummy was a good Christian.
Leopoldo
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
23 Jul 2006 02:38:16 AM |
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leo wrote:
Chris Johnson ha escrito:
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn't traveling on business were hospitalized after pol=
ice
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
"It's the worst case of malnutrition I've ever seen," said police Lt.
E.J. Bastian. The 6- and 7-year-old girls were found Friday in a home=
's
basement, were they were kept.
The girls' stepmother, whose biological children were found healthy a=
nd
well-fed upstairs, was taken in for questioning. Their father, travel=
ing
on business, was to be questioned when he returned, police said.
State social workers discovered the girls after receiving a tip and
checking on their welfare. They then called police.
The two girls told police they ate whenever their father was home, wh=
ich
wasn't a lot. With the father gone this week and next week, "they were
really hoping they could eat this weekend," Bastian said.
Healthy stepsiblings
The house had plenty of food, and the stepsiblings, a 4-year-old girl
and an 8-year-old boy, were well cared for, Bastian said. They have b=
een
placed in protective custody, where the emaciated girls also will go
once they leave the hospital.
A doctor told police it didn't appear the girls had eaten in six days=
or
had anything to drink in three days, despite recent temperatures above
100 degrees.
But it was obvious the girls had been starved for much longer than th=
at,
he said.
"This isn't a six-day starvation," Bastian quoted a doctor as telling=
a
police officer. "Obviously, these kids have been starved for quite a
while."
=A9 2006 The Associated Press
No indication that this was a result of Christianity. Sounds like a
secular variety of cruelty to me.
surely this mummy was a good Christian.
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and it
does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine imperative she
was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is simply playing the
odds, and since this kind of treatment does not seem to be epidemic in
(or unique to) the Christian community, it seems more reasonable
conclusion that this was an areligious sociopathy.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
23 Jul 2006 05:59:15 AM |
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On 23 Jul 2006 00:38:16 -0700, "Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1153640296.786160.254660@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
leo wrote:
Chris Johnson ha escrito:
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn't traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
"It's the worst case of malnutrition I've ever seen," said police Lt.
E.J. Bastian. The 6- and 7-year-old girls were found Friday in a home's
basement, were they were kept.
The girls' stepmother, whose biological children were found healthy and
well-fed upstairs, was taken in for questioning. Their father, traveling
on business, was to be questioned when he returned, police said.
State social workers discovered the girls after receiving a tip and
checking on their welfare. They then called police.
The two girls told police they ate whenever their father was home, which
wasn't a lot. With the father gone this week and next week, "they were
really hoping they could eat this weekend," Bastian said.
Healthy stepsiblings
The house had plenty of food, and the stepsiblings, a 4-year-old girl
and an 8-year-old boy, were well cared for, Bastian said. They have been
placed in protective custody, where the emaciated girls also will go
once they leave the hospital.
A doctor told police it didn't appear the girls had eaten in six days or
had anything to drink in three days, despite recent temperatures above
100 degrees.
But it was obvious the girls had been starved for much longer than that,
he said.
"This isn't a six-day starvation," Bastian quoted a doctor as telling a
police officer. "Obviously, these kids have been starved for quite a
while."
© 2006 The Associated Press
No indication that this was a result of Christianity. Sounds like a
secular variety of cruelty to me.
surely this mummy was a good Christian.
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and it
does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine imperative she
was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is simply playing the
odds, and since this kind of treatment does not seem to be epidemic in
(or unique to) the Christian community, it seems more reasonable
conclusion that this was an areligious sociopathy.
Yes, rabid atheist as I am, I have serious doubts about the
"religion"<->"abuse" connection, in this case at least.
But on the other hand, Catholic priests live for it.
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23 Jul 2006 06:56:41 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:15 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and it
does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine imperative she
was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is simply playing the
odds, and since this kind of treatment does not seem to be epidemic in
(or unique to) the Christian community, it seems more reasonable
conclusion that this was an areligious sociopathy.
Yes, rabid atheist as I am, I have serious doubts about the
"religion"<->"abuse" connection, in this case at least.
Certainly no indication from the report, but... it would not be
surprising to latter find out that there is a religious connection.
Often times that aspect of the situation is omitted form the initial
reports.
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Director, Gideon Bible Alternative Fuel Project
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
23 Jul 2006 07:58:20 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:56:41 GMT, satyr <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org>
wrote:
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:15 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and it
does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine imperative she
was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is simply playing the
odds, and since this kind of treatment does not seem to be epidemic in
(or unique to) the Christian community, it seems more reasonable
conclusion that this was an areligious sociopathy.
Yes, rabid atheist as I am, I have serious doubts about the
"religion"<->"abuse" connection, in this case at least.
Certainly no indication from the report, but... it would not be
surprising to latter find out that there is a religious connection.
Often times that aspect of the situation is omitted form the initial
reports.
Surprising, no.
But I find it ingenuous to actually jump to that conclusion based
solely on anecdotal statistics.
Call me an atheist fuddy-duddy if you like...
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
24 Jul 2006 02:46:09 AM |
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After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 23 July 2006 8:58 pm
Michael Gray perhaps from wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:56:41 GMT, satyr <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org>
wrote:
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:15 +0930, Michael Gray
< > wrote:
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and
it does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine
imperative she was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is
simply playing the odds, and since this kind of treatment does not
seem to be epidemic in (or unique to) the Christian community, it
seems more reasonable conclusion that this was an areligious
sociopathy.
Yes, rabid atheist as I am, I have serious doubts about the
"religion"<->"abuse" connection, in this case at least.
Certainly no indication from the report, but... it would not be
surprising to latter find out that there is a religious connection.
Often times that aspect of the situation is omitted form the initial
reports.
Surprising, no.
But I find it ingenuous to actually jump to that conclusion based
solely on anecdotal statistics.
Call me an atheist fuddy-duddy if you like...
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arrange an introduction with Elmer Fudd?
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http://webpagesorcery.com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
24 Jul 2006 04:09:45 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 03:46:09 -0400, Darrell Stec
<darrell_stec@webpagesorcery.com> wrote:
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After serious contemplation, on or about Sunday 23 July 2006 8:58 pm
Michael Gray perhaps from wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:56:41 GMT, satyr <RsEaMtOyVrE@infidels.org>
wrote:
- Refer: <4338c2975uq6i5svemm8ael7kqtraa3bgu@4ax.com>
On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:15 +0930, Michael Gray
< > wrote:
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and
it does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine
imperative she was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is
simply playing the odds, and since this kind of treatment does not
seem to be epidemic in (or unique to) the Christian community, it
seems more reasonable conclusion that this was an areligious
sociopathy.
Yes, rabid atheist as I am, I have serious doubts about the
"religion"<->"abuse" connection, in this case at least.
Certainly no indication from the report, but... it would not be
surprising to latter find out that there is a religious connection.
Often times that aspect of the situation is omitted form the initial
reports.
Surprising, no.
But I find it ingenuous to actually jump to that conclusion based
solely on anecdotal statistics.
Call me an atheist fuddy-duddy if you like...
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Does that mean you get to wear a cap with a propeller on top?
I very nearly purchased such an item yesterday.
I resited temptation, though.
Can you
arrange an introduction with Elmer Fudd?
Yes.
But first you must forward the AU$5,000 fee.
Oh, what the heck, $4,950 for you!
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24 Jul 2006 11:55:13 AM |
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On or about Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:15 +0930 did Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> dribble thusly:
On 23 Jul 2006 00:38:16 -0700, "Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1153640296.786160.254660@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
leo wrote:
Chris Johnson ha escrito:
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn't traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
[snip]
No indication that this was a result of Christianity. Sounds like a
secular variety of cruelty to me.
surely this mummy was a good Christian.
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and it
does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine imperative she
was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is simply playing the
odds, and since this kind of treatment does not seem to be epidemic in
(or unique to) the Christian community, it seems more reasonable
conclusion that this was an areligious sociopathy.
Yes, rabid atheist as I am, I have serious doubts about the
"religion"<->"abuse" connection, in this case at least.
But on the other hand, Catholic priests live for it.
You're all missing the point.
Yes, it's playing the odds that she's a Christian. Odds that barely
qualify for that label.
Accepting that this woman is a Christian, the implication is not that
her Christianity caused her to starve her husband's children - it's
that her Christianity did not prevent her from doing so.
It's a rebuttal to the claim that moral behavior is the result of
religious belief.
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Ignore the Python in me to send e-mail.
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
24 Jul 2006 06:42:32 PM |
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Mike Ruskai wrote:
On or about Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:15 +0930 did Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> dribble thusly:
On 23 Jul 2006 00:38:16 -0700, "Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1153640296.786160.254660@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
leo wrote:
Chris Johnson ha escrito:
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn't traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
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No indication that this was a result of Christianity. Sounds like a
secular variety of cruelty to me.
surely this mummy was a good Christian.
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and it
does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine imperative she
was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is simply playing the
odds, and since this kind of treatment does not seem to be epidemic in
(or unique to) the Christian community, it seems more reasonable
conclusion that this was an areligious sociopathy.
Yes, rabid atheist as I am, I have serious doubts about the
"religion"<->"abuse" connection, in this case at least.
But on the other hand, Catholic priests live for it.
You're all missing the point.
Yes, it's playing the odds that she's a Christian. Odds that barely
qualify for that label.
Accepting that this woman is a Christian, the implication is not that
her Christianity caused her to starve her husband's children - it's
that her Christianity did not prevent her from doing so.
It's a rebuttal to the claim that moral behavior is the result of
religious belief.
I agree with this. This has always been a big issue with me, when
theists try to claim that we ignore the good they do. It isn't that so
much as if their beliefs were true, the good would be the norm, but
it's clear from the social evils perpetrated by believers that their
beliefs do not seem to restrain their immoral behaviors.
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
31 Jul 2006 09:33:38 PM |
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On 24 Jul 2006 16:42:32 -0700, "Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Mike Ruskai wrote:
On or about Sun, 23 Jul 2006 20:29:15 +0930 did Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> dribble thusly:
On 23 Jul 2006 00:38:16 -0700, "Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1153640296.786160.254660@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>
leo wrote:
Chris Johnson ha escrito:
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn't traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
[snip]
No indication that this was a result of Christianity. Sounds like a
secular variety of cruelty to me.
surely this mummy was a good Christian.
May have been. But this is no Christian teaching that I know of, and it
does not mention any claims the woman makes of a divine imperative she
was fulfilling. Saying that she was Christian is simply playing the
odds, and since this kind of treatment does not seem to be epidemic in
(or unique to) the Christian community, it seems more reasonable
conclusion that this was an areligious sociopathy.
Yes, rabid atheist as I am, I have serious doubts about the
"religion"<->"abuse" connection, in this case at least.
But on the other hand, Catholic priests live for it.
You're all missing the point.
Yes, it's playing the odds that she's a Christian. Odds that barely
qualify for that label.
Accepting that this woman is a Christian, the implication is not that
her Christianity caused her to starve her husband's children - it's
that her Christianity did not prevent her from doing so.
It's a rebuttal to the claim that moral behavior is the result of
religious belief.
I agree with this. This has always been a big issue with me, when
theists try to claim that we ignore the good they do. It isn't that so
much as if their beliefs were true, the good would be the norm, but
it's clear from the social evils perpetrated by believers that their
beliefs do not seem to restrain their immoral behaviors.
That's exactly it.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| Title: Re: 2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings {Christian Family Values} |
31 Jul 2006 09:31:43 PM |
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On 22 Jul 2006 21:16:24 -0700, "Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13988087/
2 girls found starving; have well-fed siblings
Stepmother allegedly kept 6-year-old, 7-year-old in basement
Updated: 6:19 p.m. ET July 22, 2006
WICHITA, Kan. - Two emaciated girls who told police they ate only when
their father wasn't traveling on business were hospitalized after police
found them in an advanced state of starvation.
"It's the worst case of malnutrition I've ever seen," said police Lt.
E.J. Bastian. The 6- and 7-year-old girls were found Friday in a home's
basement, were they were kept.
The girls' stepmother, whose biological children were found healthy and
well-fed upstairs, was taken in for questioning. Their father, traveling
on business, was to be questioned when he returned, police said.
State social workers discovered the girls after receiving a tip and
checking on their welfare. They then called police.
The two girls told police they ate whenever their father was home, which
wasn't a lot. With the father gone this week and next week, "they were
really hoping they could eat this weekend," Bastian said.
Healthy stepsiblings
The house had plenty of food, and the stepsiblings, a 4-year-old girl
and an 8-year-old boy, were well cared for, Bastian said. They have been
placed in protective custody, where the emaciated girls also will go
once they leave the hospital.
A doctor told police it didn't appear the girls had eaten in six days or
had anything to drink in three days, despite recent temperatures above
100 degrees.
But it was obvious the girls had been starved for much longer than that,
he said.
"This isn't a six-day starvation," Bastian quoted a doctor as telling a
police officer. "Obviously, these kids have been starved for quite a
while."
© 2006 The Associated Press
No indication that this was a result of Christianity. Sounds like a
secular variety of cruelty to me.
Kansas. Fundy Central®.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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