Religions > Atheism > 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen}
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20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in
personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets,
universities and other public places looking for such infractions as
unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily
prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.
In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious
police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held
people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing
investigations.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
06 Feb 2007 01:56:38 AM |
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In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in
personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets,
universities and other public places looking for such infractions as
unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily
prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.
In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious
police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held
people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing
investigations.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press
Religious nutcases. If the SBs, or worse, the Reconstructionists took
over, it could be the same in the US.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
16 Feb 2007 05:46:28 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:56:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
The mullahs are pissed because they weren't invited.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in
personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets,
universities and other public places looking for such infractions as
unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily
prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.
In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious
police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held
people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing
investigations.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press
Religious nutcases. If the SBs, or worse, the Reconstructionists took
over, it could be the same in the US.
It's almost that way now with their reactions to the human body. Hippy
Hollow in Texas is a good example as is Broward county in Florida
concerning Playalinda.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
17 Feb 2007 01:15:08 AM |
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In article <39gct2dlcrcrf93i72be19ar8s8jeoqfgo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:56:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
I've been to some wild parties in my time, but I would hardly
characterize them as 'impudent'.
The mullahs are pissed because they weren't invited.
True. By they time they got there all the booze was gone.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in
personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets,
universities and other public places looking for such infractions as
unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily
prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.
In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious
police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held
people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing
investigations.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press
Religious nutcases. If the SBs, or worse, the Reconstructionists took
over, it could be the same in the US.
It's almost that way now with their reactions to the human body. Hippy
Hollow in Texas is a good example as is Broward county in Florida
concerning Playalinda.
True. If they ever gain absolute power, it will be the same all over the
country.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
22 Feb 2007 07:28:36 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:15:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <39gct2dlcrcrf93i72be19ar8s8jeoqfgo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:56:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
I've been to some wild parties in my time, but I would hardly
characterize them as 'impudent'.
The Mullahs will inform you what your opinion is.
The mullahs are pissed because they weren't invited.
True. By they time they got there all the booze was gone.
But they can't admit that.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in
personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets,
universities and other public places looking for such infractions as
unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily
prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.
In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious
police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held
people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing
investigations.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press
Religious nutcases. If the SBs, or worse, the Reconstructionists took
over, it could be the same in the US.
It's almost that way now with their reactions to the human body. Hippy
Hollow in Texas is a good example as is Broward county in Florida
concerning Playalinda.
True. If they ever gain absolute power, it will be the same all over the
country.
No change then.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
23 Feb 2007 12:59:11 AM |
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In article <cmgst298akjud7ldq1v8teu8qclb3ngcam@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:15:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <39gct2dlcrcrf93i72be19ar8s8jeoqfgo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:56:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
I've been to some wild parties in my time, but I would hardly
characterize them as 'impudent'.
The Mullahs will inform you what your opinion is.
Allah be praised! We don't have to think anymore.
The mullahs are pissed because they weren't invited.
True. By they time they got there all the booze was gone.
But they can't admit that.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in
personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets,
universities and other public places looking for such infractions as
unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily
prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.
In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious
police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held
people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing
investigations.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press
Religious nutcases. If the SBs, or worse, the Reconstructionists took
over, it could be the same in the US.
It's almost that way now with their reactions to the human body. Hippy
Hollow in Texas is a good example as is Broward county in Florida
concerning Playalinda.
True. If they ever gain absolute power, it will be the same all over the
country.
No change then.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
23 Feb 2007 02:22:33 PM |
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:59:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <cmgst298akjud7ldq1v8teu8qclb3ngcam@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:15:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <39gct2dlcrcrf93i72be19ar8s8jeoqfgo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:56:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
I've been to some wild parties in my time, but I would hardly
characterize them as 'impudent'.
The Mullahs will inform you what your opinion is.
Allah be praised! We don't have to think anymore.
Did they ever?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
23 Feb 2007 05:37:55 PM |
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In article <m7jut2hd5ruvq1ikhjdnm24ji8shitbfuo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:59:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <cmgst298akjud7ldq1v8teu8qclb3ngcam@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:15:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <39gct2dlcrcrf93i72be19ar8s8jeoqfgo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:56:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds
mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners
to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting
them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women
danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party
in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify
the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took
place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to
four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes,
the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party,"
Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
I've been to some wild parties in my time, but I would hardly
characterize them as 'impudent'.
The Mullahs will inform you what your opinion is.
Allah be praised! We don't have to think anymore.
Did they ever?
Not since religion got a hold on them.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
05 Mar 2007 06:32:07 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 15:37:55 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <m7jut2hd5ruvq1ikhjdnm24ji8shitbfuo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 22:59:11 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <cmgst298akjud7ldq1v8teu8qclb3ngcam@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
[]
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party,"
Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
I've been to some wild parties in my time, but I would hardly
characterize them as 'impudent'.
The Mullahs will inform you what your opinion is.
Allah be praised! We don't have to think anymore.
Did they ever?
Not since religion got a hold on them.
Which means they've never developed the capability.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
17 Feb 2007 05:12:29 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:15:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-60B511.23150816022007@news.giganews.com>
In article <39gct2dlcrcrf93i72be19ar8s8jeoqfgo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:56:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
I've been to some wild parties in my time, but I would hardly
characterize them as 'impudent'.
Perhaps he meant "in-pudenda"?
--
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
17 Feb 2007 05:37:13 PM |
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In article <dnodt2pfarugd0978r40dm60leger2q0g0@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 23:15:08 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-60B511.23150816022007@news.giganews.com>
In article <39gct2dlcrcrf93i72be19ar8s8jeoqfgo@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 23:56:38 -0800, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <ranes2ph8q7rkj5p3ld11b318m0mamcb00@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
"Impudent party"? What in the world is that?
Characterized by offensive boldness; insolent or impertinent. See
synonyms at shameless.
I've been to some wild parties in my time, but I would hardly
characterize them as 'impudent'.
Perhaps he meant "in-pudenda"?
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Ah. That would explain much. No wonder the religious police were so
***** that they weren't invited.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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They take afterlife seriously... Who are you to criticize them
On Feb 5, 11:39 am, stoney <sto...@the.net> wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in
personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets,
universities and other public places looking for such infractions as
unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily
prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.
In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious
police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held
people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing
investigations.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
They take afterlife seriously... Who are you to
criticize them
Reality check:
If it's wrong for us to criticize, it's wrong for them
to go beyond criticism and all the way to imprisoning.
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
They take afterlife seriously... Who are you to
criticize them
Reality check:
If it's wrong for us to criticize, it's wrong for them
to go beyond criticism and all the way to imprisoning.
http://www.sullivan-county.com/identity/dance_pound.htm#5
Town outlaws dancing but restaurant crowd won't slow down
CHRIS KAHN, Associated Press Writer
Monday, April 16, 2001
(04-16) 01:01 EDT POUND, Va. (AP) -- It's Saturday night and Helen Bolling
is shimmying in a corner booth at the Golden Pine restaurant. A usually
quiet, sparrow of a woman, the 65-year-old cups her hands and screams over
the loudspeakers for the disc jockey to play ``Cotton-Eyed Joe.'' ``I love
fast dances,'' says Bolling, who clomps her feet on the floor to the music.
This is an especially daring act in Pound, a conservative town of about
1,000 people in the Appalachian coal mining country of Virginia's extreme
western corner. Public dancing is illegal without a permit and the Golden
Pine doesn't have one. Owner Bill Elam, who got a judge to throw out an old
anti-dance ordinance as unconstitutionally broad, refuses to apply for one.
After his court victory, the Town Council enacted a new ordinance just last
year, writing it to pass constitutional muster. The maximum penalty is a
$500 fine. The new law is applauded by local church leaders, some of whom
consider dancing a sin.
``I can never see a time when dancing can be approved of, especially with
people who are not married,'' said Tim Shepherd, an evangelist for the
Church of Christ in Pound. ``Dancing is one of those things that entices. It
imitates sexual contact.''
There are communities with similar bans elsewhere in Virginia and elsewhere,
but unlike Pound's new ordinance they're often in antiquated sections of
legal code that have been ignored for decades, said Kent Willis, director of
the Virginia chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. ``I've never
heard of a town actually trying to enforce something like this,'' Willis
said.
So far, no one has been ticketed for dancing, but town officials have been
discussing what to do about the Golden Pine. ``We're planning something, but
I can't go into detail right now,'' said Police Chief Jeff Rose. Elam
probably will get a court summons, said town attorney Gary Gilliam.
Elam, 48, has been a thorn in the town's side ever since he bought the
Golden Pine in 1996. ``I won't be run off,'' he says. His old building is
shabby and its electrical system shorts out from time to time, but it's a
perfect place for a night club, Elam said. It's close to a dry county in
Kentucky and the only competition is the Holiday Inn 20 miles away in
Norton.
``I knew I could make a killing here,'' Elam said. But when he arrived, an
18-year-old ordinance denied dance permits ``to anyone who is not a proper
person, nor to a person who is not a person of good moral character.'' After
he got the law struck down in federal court, Elam hung a disco ball from the
ceiling, tore down a wall and laid tiles for a proper dance floor.
In spite of the new ordinance, enacted in February 2000, hundreds of people
gather on Saturday nights to boogie at the Golden Pine. As disc jockey David
``Chic'nman'' Gent starts the music, girls smoking cigarettes head to the
dance floor. Carl Addington pulls up in a red Corvette wearing a leather
vest and jeans. Curtis Caldwell comes in from the pool tables and talks to a
pretty blonde woman in a red top.
``This is just like a dream,'' Elam says as he watches. In her corner booth,
Helen Bolling has been waiting for the music. Until a few months ago,
Bolling had never danced, not even at her wedding. But after her husband
died of cancer last year, it was the only thing that made her feel better.
``She would just sit by the window and cry to herself 24-seven,'' said
Rhonda McHugh, the youngest of Bolling's 12 children. ``So I said, 'Mama,
let's go to Pines.''' By 9:30 p.m., the place is packed with coal miners and
old timers and college kids, all dancing in a swarm of cowboy boots and
tie-died shirts.
When Gent finally plays the country dance tune ``Cotton-Eyed Joe,'' Bolling
gets up and stomps her pumps on the floor. She joins her daughter, then some
younger women step in and soon there is no more space on the floor.
``I think it's good for people to dance,'' Bolling says, smiling like a
teen-ager. ``I'm not too good, but it makes me feel a whole lot better.''
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On 22 Feb 2007 23:14:54 -0800, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
"codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
They take afterlife seriously... Who are you to
criticize them
Reality check:
It bounced.
If it's wrong for us to criticize, it's wrong for them
to go beyond criticism and all the way to imprisoning.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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06 Feb 2007 12:03:37 PM |
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"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1170772721.307447.69790@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Notice that the article NEVER mentions country of origin of the so-called
criminals.
If JUST ONE is an American I say we nuke the fuckers.
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:03:37 GMT, in alt.atheism
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote in
<Zp3yh.18406$VY5.14304@trnddc08>:
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1170772721.307447.69790@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Notice that the article NEVER mentions country of origin of the so-called
criminals.
If JUST ONE is an American I say we nuke the fuckers.
It's Saudi Arabia: they can send their citizens to America to kill
thousands using airplanes as weapons and George Bush will attack their
most dangerous neighbor instead of the corrupt Saud family.
They can get away with murder.
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Free Lunch <l...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
It's Saudi Arabia: they can send their citizens
to America to kill thousands using airplanes as
weapons and George Bush will attack their most
dangerous neighbor instead of the corrupt Saud
family.
They can get away with murder.
As you just pointed out, they already HAVE gotten
away with murder.
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stoney explained on 2/5/2007 :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must obey
the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The foreigners
chose to deliberately break the rules of the country - their choice and
they must therefore face the consequences.
The religious police, a force resented by many Saudis for interfering in
personal lives, enjoys wide powers. Its officers roam malls, markets,
universities and other public places looking for such infractions as
unrelated men and women mingling, men skipping Islam's five daily
prayers and women with strands of hair showing from under their veil.
In May, the Interior Ministry restricted the powers of the religious
police to just arresting suspects, because the police sometimes had held
people incommunicado and insisted on taking part in ensuing
investigations.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press
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Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:02:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney explained on 2/5/2007 :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must obey
the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The foreigners
chose to deliberately break the rules of the country - their choice and
they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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16 Feb 2007 08:26:31 PM |
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After serious thinking stoney wrote :
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:02:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney explained on 2/5/2007 :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must obey
the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The foreigners
chose to deliberately break the rules of the country - their choice and
they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
Laws not "within reason" would, for example, be being forbidden to
follow basic hygiene, not being able to use "safe "sex" methods with
prostitutes, etc..... laws against alcohol existed at one time in the
US; meetings between unrelated men and women was not harmful to them -
just frustrating.
I still think they flaunted the laws of the country. I wish they had
had better sense - or had gone for a weekend to some other country
where the laws were different or less enforced.
--
Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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22 Feb 2007 07:33:04 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:26:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
After serious thinking stoney wrote :
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:02:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney explained on 2/5/2007 :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must obey
the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The foreigners
chose to deliberately break the rules of the country - their choice and
they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
Laws not "within reason" would, for example, be being forbidden to
follow basic hygiene, not being able to use "safe "sex" methods with
prostitutes, etc.....
But that's your criteria for 'within reason,' not theirs.
laws against alcohol existed at one time in the
US; meetings between unrelated men and women was not harmful to them -
just frustrating.
Your view, their view[s] may differ.
I still think they flaunted the laws of the country. I wish they had
had better sense - or had gone for a weekend to some other country
where the laws were different or less enforced.
If so, then they were simply following the myraid examples set over the
course of years by the current misadministration.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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23 Feb 2007 02:47:07 AM |
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stoney wrote after much deliberation:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:26:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
After serious thinking stoney wrote :
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:02:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney explained on 2/5/2007 :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must obey
the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The foreigners
chose to deliberately break the rules of the country - their choice and
they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
Laws not "within reason" would, for example, be being forbidden to
follow basic hygiene, not being able to use "safe "sex" methods with
prostitutes, etc.....
But that's your criteria for 'within reason,' not theirs.
laws against alcohol existed at one time in the
US; meetings between unrelated men and women was not harmful to them -
just frustrating.
Your view, their view[s] may differ.
I still think they flaunted the laws of the country. I wish they had
had better sense - or had gone for a weekend to some other country
where the laws were different or less enforced.
If so, then they were simply following the myraid examples set over the
course of years by the current misadministration.
Misadministration is your view. The laws of the land are the laws of
the land. If one knows that there are laws strictly enforced, break
them at one's peril.
--
Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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23 Feb 2007 02:25:18 PM |
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:47:07 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote after much deliberation:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:26:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
After serious thinking stoney wrote :
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:02:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney explained on 2/5/2007 :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must obey
the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The foreigners
chose to deliberately break the rules of the country - their choice and
they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
Laws not "within reason" would, for example, be being forbidden to
follow basic hygiene, not being able to use "safe "sex" methods with
prostitutes, etc.....
But that's your criteria for 'within reason,' not theirs.
laws against alcohol existed at one time in the
US; meetings between unrelated men and women was not harmful to them -
just frustrating.
Your view, their view[s] may differ.
I still think they flaunted the laws of the country. I wish they had
had better sense - or had gone for a weekend to some other country
where the laws were different or less enforced.
If so, then they were simply following the myraid examples set over the
course of years by the current misadministration.
Misadministration is your view.
ShrubCo's a competant administration? My point was simply they could
have been emulating the examples which have been ongoing for years.
The laws of the land are the laws of
the land. If one knows that there are laws strictly enforced, break
them at one's peril.
In Iraq, laws are pretty much meaningless if you have patronage.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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24 Feb 2007 07:23:54 AM |
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stoney submitted this idea :
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:47:07 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote after much deliberation:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:26:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
After serious thinking stoney wrote :
On Tue, 06 Feb 2007 07:02:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney explained on 2/5/2007 :
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16978938/
20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia
Judge sentences foreigners for partying, alcohol, unmarrieds mingling
Updated: 7:48 p.m. ET Feb. 4, 2007
RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - A Saudi Arabian judge sentenced 20 foreigners to
receive lashes and spend several months in prison after convicting them
of attending a party where alcohol was served and men and women danced,
a newspaper reported Sunday.
The defendants were among 433 foreigners, including some 240 women,
arrested by the kingdom's religious police for attending the party in
Jiddah, the state-guided newspaper Okaz said. It did not identify the
foreigners, give their nationalities or say when the party took place.
Judge Saud al-Boushi sentenced the 20 to prison terms of three to four
months and ordered them to receive an unspecified number of lashes, the
newspaper said. They have the right to appeal, it added.
The prosecutor general charged the 20 with "drinking, arranging for
impudent party, mixed dancing and shooting a video for the party," Okaz
said.
The paper said the rest of those arrested were awaiting trial.
Saudi Arabia follows a strict interpretation of Islam under which it
bans alcohol and meetings between unrelated men and women.
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must obey
the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The foreigners
chose to deliberately break the rules of the country - their choice and
they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
Laws not "within reason" would, for example, be being forbidden to
follow basic hygiene, not being able to use "safe "sex" methods with
prostitutes, etc.....
But that's your criteria for 'within reason,' not theirs.
laws against alcohol existed at one time in the
US; meetings between unrelated men and women was not harmful to them -
just frustrating.
Your view, their view[s] may differ.
I still think they flaunted the laws of the country. I wish they had
had better sense - or had gone for a weekend to some other country
where the laws were different or less enforced.
If so, then they were simply following the myraid examples set over the
course of years by the current misadministration.
Misadministration is your view.
ShrubCo's a competant administration? My point was simply they could
have been emulating the examples which have been ongoing for years.
The laws of the land are the laws of
the land. If one knows that there are laws strictly enforced, break
them at one's peril.
In Iraq, laws are pretty much meaningless if you have patronage.
Apparently those foreigners did not have patronage - or not enough.
*sigh* Right now I have little of my usual sympathy for some
lawbreakers.
--
Pangur Ban - nonchristian theist
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
05 Mar 2007 06:34:22 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:23:54 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney submitted this idea :
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:47:07 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote after much deliberation:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:26:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must obey
the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The foreigners
chose to deliberately break the rules of the country - their choice and
they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
Laws not "within reason" would, for example, be being forbidden to
follow basic hygiene, not being able to use "safe "sex" methods with
prostitutes, etc.....
But that's your criteria for 'within reason,' not theirs.
laws against alcohol existed at one time in the
US; meetings between unrelated men and women was not harmful to them -
just frustrating.
Your view, their view[s] may differ.
I still think they flaunted the laws of the country. I wish they had
had better sense - or had gone for a weekend to some other country
where the laws were different or less enforced.
If so, then they were simply following the myraid examples set over the
course of years by the current misadministration.
Misadministration is your view.
ShrubCo's a competant administration? My point was simply they could
have been emulating the examples which have been ongoing for years.
The laws of the land are the laws of
the land. If one knows that there are laws strictly enforced, break
them at one's peril.
In Iraq, laws are pretty much meaningless if you have patronage.
Apparently those foreigners did not have patronage - or not enough.
And they couldn't pay the hefty bribes.
*sigh* Right now I have little of my usual sympathy for some
lawbreakers.
Yes, the U.S. 'government.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
05 Mar 2007 06:46:17 PM |
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stoney submitted this idea :
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:23:54 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney submitted this idea :
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:47:07 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote after much deliberation:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:26:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must
obey the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The
foreigners chose to deliberately break the rules of the country -
their choice and they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
Laws not "within reason" would, for example, be being forbidden to
follow basic hygiene, not being able to use "safe "sex" methods with
prostitutes, etc.....
But that's your criteria for 'within reason,' not theirs.
laws against alcohol existed at one time in the
US; meetings between unrelated men and women was not harmful to them -
just frustrating.
Your view, their view[s] may differ.
I still think they flaunted the laws of the country. I wish they had
had better sense - or had gone for a weekend to some other country
where the laws were different or less enforced.
If so, then they were simply following the myraid examples set over the
course of years by the current misadministration.
Misadministration is your view.
ShrubCo's a competant administration? My point was simply they could
have been emulating the examples which have been ongoing for years.
The laws of the land are the laws of
the land. If one knows that there are laws strictly enforced, break
them at one's peril.
In Iraq, laws are pretty much meaningless if you have patronage.
Apparently those foreigners did not have patronage - or not enough.
And they couldn't pay the hefty bribes.
*sigh* Right now I have little of my usual sympathy for some
lawbreakers.
Yes, the U.S. 'government.'
No ... the criminals who fired me.
--
Pangur Ban
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing" Edmund Burke
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
09 Mar 2007 02:41:21 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:46:17 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney submitted this idea :
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:23:54 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
ShrubCo's a competant administration? My point was simply they could
have been emulating the examples which have been ongoing for years.
The laws of the land are the laws of
the land. If one knows that there are laws strictly enforced, break
them at one's peril.
In Iraq, laws are pretty much meaningless if you have patronage.
Apparently those foreigners did not have patronage - or not enough.
And they couldn't pay the hefty bribes.
*sigh* Right now I have little of my usual sympathy for some
lawbreakers.
Yes, the U.S. 'government.'
No ... the criminals who fired me.
Them too.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
06 Mar 2007 03:09:11 AM |
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:46:17 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
- Refer: <mn.2c2a7d73543a44c9.64065@worldnet.att.net>
stoney submitted this idea :
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:23:54 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney submitted this idea :
On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 01:47:07 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
stoney wrote after much deliberation:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:26:31 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
These foreigners had to know that the country in which they were
staying has these rules and enforces them. While I don't approve of
the religious ideas behind such rules, the fact remains: One must
obey the laws of the countries one visits - within reason. The
foreigners chose to deliberately break the rules of the country -
their choice and they must therefore face the consequences.
The people might have thought the laws were not 'within reason.'
Laws not "within reason" would, for example, be being forbidden to
follow basic hygiene, not being able to use "safe "sex" methods with
prostitutes, etc.....
But that's your criteria for 'within reason,' not theirs.
laws against alcohol existed at one time in the
US; meetings between unrelated men and women was not harmful to them -
just frustrating.
Your view, their view[s] may differ.
I still think they flaunted the laws of the country. I wish they had
had better sense - or had gone for a weekend to some other country
where the laws were different or less enforced.
If so, then they were simply following the myraid examples set over the
course of years by the current misadministration.
Misadministration is your view.
ShrubCo's a competant administration? My point was simply they could
have been emulating the examples which have been ongoing for years.
The laws of the land are the laws of
the land. If one knows that there are laws strictly enforced, break
them at one's peril.
In Iraq, laws are pretty much meaningless if you have patronage.
Apparently those foreigners did not have patronage - or not enough.
And they couldn't pay the hefty bribes.
*sigh* Right now I have little of my usual sympathy for some
lawbreakers.
Yes, the U.S. 'government.'
No ... the criminals who fired me.
They are already paying for their crimes by the turmoil that is going
on in their pathetic money-grasping minds, day in, day out.
You may rest easy, in the confident knowledge that you have done "the
right thing".
Seriously.
It is worth 100 jobs.
It probably doesn't look that way now, but in time it most definitely
will.
Personal integrity is worth more than gold or diamonds.
The bastards are going through their own hell, just by being the
heartless narrow minded cretins that they truly are.
In any case, you can always come and live in Australia!
(Just don't bring George Bush with you, OK?)
--
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: 20 face lash, prison for dancing in Saudi Arabia {S. Baps gnash teeth envying their brethen} |
09 Mar 2007 02:43:28 PM |
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On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:39:11 +1030, Michael Gray <mikegray@newsguy.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:46:17 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
- Refer: <mn.2c2a7d73543a44c9.64065@worldnet.att.net>
stoney submitted this idea :
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 06:23:54 -0700, Pangur Ban
<PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote in alt.atheism
[]
In Iraq, laws are pretty much meaningless if you have patronage.
Apparently those foreigners did not have patronage - or not enough.
And they couldn't pay the hefty bribes.
*sigh* Right now I have little of my usual sympathy for some
lawbreakers.
Yes, the U.S. 'government.'
No ... the criminals who fired me.
They are already paying for their crimes by the turmoil that is going
on in their pathetic money-grasping minds, day in, day out.
You may rest easy, in the confident knowledge that you have done "the
right thing".
Yes.
Seriously.
It is worth 100 jobs.
It probably doesn't look that way now, but in time it most definitely
will.
Personal integrity is worth more than gold or diamonds.
You got that right!
The bastards are going through their own hell, just by being the
heartless narrow minded cretins that they truly are.
In any case, you can always come and live in Australia!
(Just don't bring George Bush with you, OK?)
What if they let him out halfway?
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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