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"Vic Sagerquist" |
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23 May 2005 01:26:34 PM |
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20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html#
My apologies if you've seen this before.
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Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Plonked by Jason Gastrich for all eternity...
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As you were, I was. As I am, you will be.
--- Hunter S. Thompson
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
24 May 2005 07:17:45 AM |
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"Paul Robinson" <paul@paul-robinson.us> wrote in message
news:1116889037.528594.226520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you
do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
I like that quote. So why is it so hard for people to accept when I
point out that atheism is just another religion, no more and no less?
Maybe because it's not a religion.
Doesn't mean I consider its points invalid, wrong or illogical, just
that's it's simply another form of belief and entitled to the same
respect as any other religion.
But that's not what atheism is. Atheism is the lack of belief in god(s).
That's all.
But some people get very upset when I call their spade a dirty shovel.
Whatever.
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
23 May 2005 06:32:01 PM |
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In article <1116889037.528594.226520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Paul Robinson" <paul@paul-robinson.us> writes:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you
do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
I like that quote. So why is it so hard for people to accept when I
point out that atheism is just another religion, no more and no less?
Doesn't mean I consider its points invalid, wrong or illogical, just
that's it's simply another form of belief and entitled to the same
respect as any other religion.
Most likely because having a belief as regards the spiritual
or the supernatural is not in and of itself sufficent to
categorize something as a "religion". I don't believe
in ghosts, but somehow it seems grandiose to elevate
that skepticism to the class of a religion.
To me at least, anything that is "a religion" will
have most or all of the following: a general
explanation for the way things are, a mechanism
for influencing the way things are, comforting ritual,
a fellowship of the like-minded, stylized ceremonies
for dealing with the major transitions in life,
and a system which imbues events with meaning.
I don't think that a simple "I see no reason
to believe there is a god" includes much
along these lines.
-- cary
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
25 May 2005 01:48:21 AM |
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In article <1116889037.528594.226520@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
Paul Robinson <paul@paul-robinson.us> wrote:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you
do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
I like that quote. So why is it so hard for people to accept when I
point out that atheism is just another religion, no more and no less?
Doesn't mean I consider its points invalid, wrong or illogical, just
that's it's simply another form of belief and entitled to the same
respect as any other religion.
But some people get very upset when I call their spade a dirty shovel.
So what? You can call every weed that grows in your barren little brain
a precious flower, one so beautiful that it you have to share it with
the whole world. But the rest of the world refuses to ooh and ahh.
Despite all your handwaving, they recognize a weed when they see one; a
shriveled, stunted, doomed little weed waiting for a dirty shovel.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Clothaire" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
24 May 2005 04:53:37 PM |
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On 23 May 2005 15:57:17 -0700, "Paul Robinson" <paul@paul-robinson.us>
wrote:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you
do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
I like that quote. So why is it so hard for people to accept when I
point out that atheism is just another religion, no more and no less?
Doesn't mean I consider its points invalid, wrong or illogical, just
that's it's simply another form of belief and entitled to the same
respect as any other religion.
But some people get very upset when I call their spade a dirty shovel.
What is more upsetting is why you want atheism to be a religion.
You think that if someone believes something, they have to have faith.
If they have faith, then it is a religion. Fundies always equivocate
on the word faith.
Religion: Faith is believing things that may not be true.
Science: Faith believing things backed by evidence.
There is a big difference between the two meanings of faith, but this
distinction is well beyond the grasp of fundies.
Clothaire #1392
"Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness." [Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
23 May 2005 06:06:03 PM |
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On 23 May 2005 15:57:17 -0700, "Paul Robinson" <paul@paul-robinson.us>
wrote:
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you
do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
I like that quote. So why is it so hard for people to accept when I
point out that atheism is just another religion, no more and no less?
Doesn't mean I consider its points invalid, wrong or illogical, just
that's it's simply another form of belief and entitled to the same
respect as any other religion.
Because atheism isn't a religion, whatever a deliberately nasty
button-pushing liar like you might pretend.
But some people get very upset when I call their spade a dirty shovel.
No, liar. We simply treat you as the in-your-face nasty liar you have
shown yourself to be.
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| User: "Gregory Gadow" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
24 May 2005 08:23:57 AM |
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Paul Robinson wrote:
But some people get very upset when I call their spade a dirty shovel.
Because:
A) Spades and shovels are two entirely different implements. Spades have a
pointed front and are designed to dig. Shovels have a flat front and are
designed to scoop. You don't use a shovel to dig a hole, and you don't use
a spade to clear snow from your driveway or clean out a stable.
B) I, for one, keep my tools clean. After I use a shovel -- or a spade, for
that matter -- I clean it down, dry it off and put it away neatly. They
tend to rust, otherwise.
In short, we get upset when you call our spades dirty shovels becase you
are both showing your ignorance and impuning our ability to proper
maintenance.
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Gregory Gadow
techbear@serv.net
http://www.serv.net/~techbear
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe
in one fewer god than you do. When you understand
why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you
will understand why I dismiss yours."
-Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
24 May 2005 07:29:46 PM |
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On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:23:57 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Paul Robinson wrote:
But some people get very upset when I call their spade a dirty shovel.
Because:
A) Spades and shovels are two entirely different implements. Spades have a
pointed front and are designed to dig. Shovels have a flat front and are
designed to scoop. You don't use a shovel to dig a hole, and you don't use
a spade to clear snow from your driveway or clean out a stable.
A Spade is a tiny little digging thing for ***** types to dig
around in their garden.
Shovels come in two basic classes. Round point for digging into
rocky soil and the Square point for soft, high volume digging or
grading. Anything else is a special type.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Les Hellawell" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
25 May 2005 03:54:20 AM |
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On Wed, 25 May 2005 00:29:46 GMT, Steve Knight <wooly@sonic.net>
wrote:
On Tue, 24 May 2005 06:23:57 -0700, Gregory Gadow <techbear@serv.net>
wrote:
Paul Robinson wrote:
But some people get very upset when I call their spade a dirty shovel.
Because:
A) Spades and shovels are two entirely different implements. Spades have a
pointed front and are designed to dig. Shovels have a flat front and are
designed to scoop. You don't use a shovel to dig a hole, and you don't use
a spade to clear snow from your driveway or clean out a stable.
A Spade is a tiny little digging thing for ***** types to dig
around in their garden.
Well, spades here have flat rectanguar shaped blades for digging.
Shovels are are slightly larger with upturned sides and top for
carrying or 'shoveling' things like coal or garden rubbish. A case
of having the right tool for the job.
Shovels come in two basic classes. Round point for digging into
rocky soil and the Square point for soft, high volume digging or
grading. Anything else is a special type.
If they don't have turned up sides they are spades.
viz (Websters)
Shovel:
1 a : a hand implement consisting of a broad scoop or a more or less
hollowed out blade with ahandle used to lift and throw material b :
something that resembles a shovel c : an excavating machine;
especially : an hydraulic diesel-engine driven power shovel
2 : shovelful
spade
1 : a digging implement adapted for being pushed into the ground with
the foot
2 : a spade-shaped instrument
–call a spade a spade 1 : to call a thing by its right name however
coarse 2 : to speak frankly
transitive senses : to dig up or out or shape with or as if with a
spade
intransitive senses : to use a spade
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Les Hellawell
greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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