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15 Oct 2006 07:06:19 AM |
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20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
Interesting & thought provoking
Can't say I agree with all of it but some things appear to be right on the
money
The entire pamphlet is on line at the URL below
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity
http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html#numbernine
[excerpt]
by Chaz Bufe
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity, by Chaz Bufe cover graphic
Table of Contents
1. Christianity is based on fear
2. Christianity preys on the innocent
3. Christianity is based on dishonesty
4. Christianity is extremely egocentric
5. Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
6. Christianity breeds authoritarianism
7. Christianity is cruel
8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
9. Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
10. Christianity produces sexual misery
11. Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
12. Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on
imaginary evils
13. Christianity depreciates the natural world
14. Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
15. Christianity sanctions slavery
16. Christianity is misogynistic
17. Christianity is homophobic
18. The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
19. The Bible is riddled with contradictions
20. Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other
ancient religions
This pamphlet briefly looks at many of the reasons that Christianity is
undesirable from both a personal and a social point of view. All of the
matters discussed here have been dealt with elsewhere at greater length,
but that’s beside the point: the purpose of 20 Reasons to Abandon
Christianity is to list the most outstanding misery-producing and socially
destructive qualities of Christianity in one place. When considered in
toto, they lead to an irresistible conclusion: that Christianity must be
abandoned, for the sake of both personal happiness and social progress.
As regards the title, "abandon"—rather than "suppress" or "do away
with"—was chosen deliberately. Attempts to coercively suppress beliefs are
not only ethically wrong, but in the long run they are often ineffective—as
the recent resurgence of religion in the former Soviet Union demonstrates.
If Christianity is ever to disappear, it will be because individual human
beings wake up, abandon their destructive, repressive beliefs, and choose
life, choose to be here now.
[end excerpt]
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You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
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.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
15 Oct 2006 07:25:47 AM |
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<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:n194j2ld450p7cq3dphed0bqq7ncl67o0j@4ax.com...
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity
Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
Islam.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
15 Oct 2006 07:45:01 AM |
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"Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote:
:|<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
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:|Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
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Tell it to the person who wrote the article. That person for whatever
reason elected to write one about Christianity.
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
.. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
.. . .
****************************************************************
USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
*****************************************************************
THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
****************************************************************
.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
16 Oct 2006 01:38:01 AM |
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Geoff wrote:
<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:n194j2ld450p7cq3dphed0bqq7ncl67o0j@4ax.com...
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity
Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
Islam.
and these as well:
[Preface]
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other
possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
[Stephen Roberts]
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis,
Abalim[Judaic] Abba Amona[Judaic] Abraxis[Judaic]
Adam Beliyya'al'[Judaic] Adam Kadmon[Judaic]
Adonai[Judaic] Adonaiel[Judaic]
Akatriel-Yah[Judaic] Alitha[Judaic]
Alukah(Arpad Yiddish: Estrie)[Judaic] Anafiel[Judaic]
Angels[Judaic] Archons[Judaic] Asherah(Asherah)[Judaic]
Asmodeus(Asmodaios)[Judaic]
Babaluaye, Bacchus, Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Baal[Judaic]
Baal-Karmelos[Judaic]
Bat Kol[Judaic] Beelzebub(Beelzebul Baalzebub)[Judaic]
Belial(Beliar)[Judaic]iBethel[ Syrian]
Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen, Cthulhu Chashmal[Judaic]
Chayyot[Judaic Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Dagon[Judaic]
Demiurge(Demiourgos Demogorgon)[Judaic]
Demons[Judaic] Devekut[Judaic] Dever[Judaic] Dumiel[Judaic]
Dybbuk[Judaic] Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim Eshu,
Ereshkigal, El(El 'Elyon)[Judaic] Elim[Judaic]
Elohim[Judaic] Elom[Judaic Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades,
Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel, Hephaestus, Golem[Judaic] Ha-Shem[Judaic Hermes,
Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar, ] Ibbur
Elim[Judaic]
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos,
Korravai, Kefitzat ha-Derekh[Judaic]
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Lilith[Judaic]
Lotan[Judaic] Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius, Morrigan
Makon[Judaic]
Mammon[Judaic] Mastema[Judaic]
Mazikeen[Judaic] Mazzikin[Judaic]
Memra[Judaic/Aramaic] Metatron[Judaic]
Moloch[Judaic, Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys,
Nechushtan[Judaic]Nibhaz[Judaic]
Neptune, Nerthus. Obatala, Odin, Ogun, Obizoth[Judaic]
Ofanim(Ophanim Galgallim)[Judaic]
Oniel Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Padkaras[Judaic]
Piznai[Judaic]
Potah[Judaic]
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Ras
Tafari Ragshiel[Judaic]
Rahav[Judaic]
Reshef[Judaic](Plague)
Saturn, Set, Satan[Judaic](
Shabbat Hamalka[Judaic]
Shekhina[Judaic](Shekina Shechina)Judaism
Sophia[Judaic](Hakhma Chochma)
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw,
Tanin'iver[Judaic](Blinddragon)
Tannin[Judaic]
Tarshishim[Judaic]
Terafim(Teraphim)[Judaic]
Tzadikiel[Judaic]
Tzakadhazy[Judaic]
Tzelanit[Judaic]
Tzeruf[Judaic]
Tzohar[Judaic]
Uranus, Venus, Vesta, Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
[Judaic]
Watcher[Judaic]Yhwh[yahweh][Judaic]
Yeddeoni[Judaic]
Yekum[Judaic]Yohani bat Retiviv[Judaic]
Zadkiel[Judaic]I
Zar[Judaic
African gods:
[Note under 'African Gods' the number devoted to 'Supremacy']
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo [Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
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15 Oct 2006 03:02:30 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote:
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity
Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
Islam.
And to further your expansion
these reasons equally apply to American Corportism.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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15 Oct 2006 07:57:18 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2006 13:02:30 -0700, "Möbius Pretzel"
<Mobius_m_Pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote:
- Refer: <1160942550.689521.138580@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>
Geoff wrote:
<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote:
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity
Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
Islam.
And to further your expansion
these reasons equally apply to American Corportism.
Is that anything like American Carportism?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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15 Oct 2006 05:40:35 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2006 13:02:30 -0700, "Möbius Pretzel"
<Mobius_m_Pretzel@yahoo.com> wrote:
Geoff wrote:
<buckeye-elo@nospam.net> wrote:
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity
Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
Islam.
And to further your expansion
these reasons equally apply to American Corportism.
Right. Corports are as stupid as any other theist.
(What the heck is a Corport?)
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God to save Germany."
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 03:17:55 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:25:47 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
Islam.
Partially but not equally. It is the Christians waging holy war in
North America on gays. Though the Jews and Muslims theoretically have
similar beliefs, they don't impose them. You don't see Jews and
Muslims trying to impose their creation myths in place of evolution.
This is largely just the smaller numbers, but it affects their
behaviour.
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Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
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| User: "Geoff" |
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15 Oct 2006 06:54:28 PM |
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"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:25:47 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
Islam.
Partially but not equally. It is the Christians waging holy war in
North America on gays. Though the Jews and Muslims theoretically have
similar beliefs, they don't impose them.
Are you kidding? If two Muslims were caught buggering eachother, they would
have their dicks cut off and shoved down their throats before they were
stoned.
And fundamentalist Jews are just as intent on taking over the reins of
governement in Israel as they are here and I have no doubt that they would
revel in persecuting gays if they ever got to that point.
You don't see Jews and
Muslims trying to impose their creation myths in place of evolution.
In most Muslim countries, evolution isn't even an option. Only Turkey score
lower than the United States in a poll gauging acceptance of evolution. I
don't think any other Muslim countries were listed.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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16 Oct 2006 03:49:30 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:54:28 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
And fundamentalist Jews are just as intent on taking over the reins of
governement in Israel as they are here and I have no doubt that they would
revel in persecuting gays if they ever got to that point.
Yes, in Israel, where they are a majority, I could expect them to
become obnoxious, but again that is their own business. People who
emigrate to Israel knowing full well what sort of society they are
volunteering for -- a militaristic theocracy.
“One of the major problems with Israeli democracy is that it has no
constitutional guarantees of human rights. To my knowledge it's the
only functioning democracy without such provision.”
~ Asa Kasher, Israeli philosopher
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Geoff" |
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16 Oct 2006 09:53:28 AM |
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"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:5oh6j2165f3q6bgti9np63tm33tno866en@4ax.com...
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:54:28 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
And fundamentalist Jews are just as intent on taking over the reins of
governement in Israel as they are here and I have no doubt that they would
revel in persecuting gays if they ever got to that point.
Yes, in Israel, where they are a majority, I could expect them to
become obnoxious, but again that is their own business. People who
emigrate to Israel knowing full well what sort of society they are
volunteering for -- a militaristic theocracy.
"One of the major problems with Israeli democracy is that it has no
constitutional guarantees of human rights. To my knowledge it's the
only functioning democracy without such provision."
~ Asa Kasher, Israeli philosopher
The wherefore your statement: "Though the Jews and Muslims theoretically
have
similar beliefs, they don't impose them"?
I think the essence of theocracy is to impose your beliefs on a population.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
19 Oct 2006 09:04:03 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:53:28 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
The wherefore your statement: "Though the Jews and Muslims theoretically
have
similar beliefs, they don't impose them"?
I think the essence of theocracy is to impose your beliefs on a population.
Christians are always trying to sell their religion to me. Jews and
Muslims never have. They are happy to answer my questions.
This is the way they behave in Canada. When I was in Muslim countries
Indonesia and Malaysia, I saw nobody on the street handing out tracts
or engaging in prosletysing.
I know then that forcing the religion in NOT part of Islam per se.
This is not to say that in some parts of the world, people try to
force it on others.
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Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
16 Oct 2006 02:28:33 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:54:28 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
Are you kidding? If two Muslims were caught buggering eachother, they would
have their dicks cut off and shoved down their throats before they were
stoned.
That is true in Saudi Arabia, but not Egypt where male-male sex is
almost universal.
They would leave ME alone. If people want to torment those of their
own religion, that is their business. I get annoyed when they start
imposing their nutty ideas on others.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: 20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity |
16 Oct 2006 09:47:53 AM |
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"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:54:28 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
Are you kidding? If two Muslims were caught buggering eachother, they
would
have their dicks cut off and shoved down their throats before they were
stoned.
That is true in Saudi Arabia, but not Egypt where male-male sex is
almost universal.
Hmmm...it's still against the law.
See: http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/egypt/egnews97.htm
They would leave ME alone. If people want to torment those of their
own religion, that is their business. I get annoyed when they start
imposing their nutty ideas on others.
I wouldn't bet on it.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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19 Oct 2006 08:57:21 PM |
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On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 10:47:53 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
They would leave ME alone. If people want to torment those of their
own religion, that is their business. I get annoyed when they start
imposing their nutty ideas on others.
I wouldn't bet on it.
The point is over my life I have had an average of 3 death threats
from Christians every day during the early 1970s. Muslims never have
given me any trouble. Even though they knew I was gay they invited me
to their mosques to have a look.
Of course in Iran they are nutty about gays. But the Iranians here in
Victoria are not giving me a rough time.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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16 Oct 2006 03:46:57 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:54:28 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
In most Muslim countries, evolution isn't even an option. Only Turkey score
lower than the United States in a poll gauging acceptance of evolution. I
don't think any other Muslim countries were listed.
On the other hand, the Qur'an tends to avoid making pseudoscientific
pronouncements, so when I read it, I did not see any serious conflict
with science.
Further, historically Islam fostered the sciences. They kept the
learning of the ancient Greeks alive during the dark ages. Were it not
for them, we would have lost much of our history.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
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| User: "Geoff" |
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16 Oct 2006 09:50:35 AM |
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"Roedy Green" <see_website@mindprod.com.invalid> wrote in message
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:54:28 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
In most Muslim countries, evolution isn't even an option. Only Turkey
scored
lower than the United States in a poll gauging acceptance of evolution. I
don't think any other Muslim countries were listed.
On the other hand, the Qur'an tends to avoid making pseudoscientific
pronouncements, so when I read it, I did not see any serious conflict
with science.
Hmmm...I do.
See: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/islam.html
Further, historically Islam fostered the sciences. They kept the
learning of the ancient Greeks alive during the dark ages. Were it not
for them, we would have lost much of our history.
Ancient history, pal. How widely is evolution accepted today? I would bet
dollars to dinars that the somehwat secualr country Turkey has the most
acceptance of evolution...and even then it is less than the US which is a
fundamentalist backwater by developed nation standards.
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| User: "" |
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16 Oct 2006 09:55:09 AM |
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Roedy Green wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:25:47 -0400, "Geoff" <geoff@nospam.com> wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
Why limit this to Christianity? They apply equally well to Judaism and
Islam.
Partially but not equally. It is the Christians waging holy war in
North America on gays. Though the Jews and Muslims theoretically have
similar beliefs, they don't impose them.
Yes, the Muslimes just blow up the infidels. You're funny (i.e.,
incredibly stupid).
You don't see Jews and
Muslims trying to impose their creation myths in place of evolution.
This is largely just the smaller numbers, but it affects their
behaviour.
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Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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19 Oct 2006 09:07:08 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 07:55:09 -0700, wrote, quoted or
indirectly quoted someone who said :
Yes, the Muslimes just blow up the infidels. You're funny (i.e.,
incredibly stupid).
You are the one being aggressively stupid and racist.
The reason the Iraqis and Afghans blow up American infidels has
nothing to do with their religion. It has to with the fact Americans
invaded their country, raped their sons, tortured their children,
napalmed their grandmothers, white phosphorused their daughters etc
etc.
If Iraqis invaded the USA you would kill them for invading, not
because you wanted to convert them to Christianity.
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Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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19 Oct 2006 10:40:18 PM |
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Was my father's reason among the 20?
He was often asked why he wasn't a Christian.
"I've seen to many of them.", was his answer.
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| User: "Siobhan Burke" |
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21 Oct 2006 05:29:24 AM |
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In article <CyXZg.15861$vJ2.14044@newssvr12.news.prodigy.com>,
mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net says...
Was my father's reason among the 20?
He was often asked why he wasn't a Christian.
"I've seen to many of them.", was his answer.
Good answer!
My dad's response, when asked if he was saved, or born again,
was to growl "None of your goddamned business!" Seemed to work.
--
Siobhan - alt.atheism list #2201
hellflower.alMayne@earthlink.net (Now a real address, if you ice
the alMayne.)
Just keep walking, preacher-man. --River Tam
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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20 Oct 2006 12:39:25 AM |
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 03:40:18 GMT, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted
someone who said :
Was my father's reason among the 20?
He was often asked why he wasn't a Christian.
"I've seen to many of them.", was his answer.
similar to, "never touch the stuff. It causes brain damage."
"Religion is the opiate of the masses."
~ Karl Marx
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For links to books about George W. Bush see
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| User: "Jeff Strickland" |
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19 Oct 2006 08:34:13 PM |
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<snip all>
And do what, take up Islam?
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:10:07 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
1. Christianity is based on fear
2. Christianity preys on the innocent
3. Christianity is based on dishonesty
4. Christianity is extremely egocentric
5. Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
6. Christianity breeds authoritarianism
7. Christianity is cruel
I have written a similar essay. The problem is not so much with
Christianity but with what I call Kristianity, a grotesque morphing of
the original teachings into almost its exact opposite.
see http://mindprod.com/religion/kristianity.html
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but
inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or
figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree
bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree
bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast
into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them."
~ Matthew 7:16-20
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:30:23 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
3. Christianity is based on dishonesty
"Christianity is based on dishonesty. The Christian appeal to fear, to
cowardice, is an admission that the evidence supporting Christian
beliefs is far from compelling. If the evidence were such that
Christianity’s truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered
it, Christians—including those who wrote the Gospels—would feel no
need to resort to the cheap tactic of using fear-inducing threats to
inspire "belief." ("Lip service" is a more accurate term.) That the
Christian clergy have been more than willing to accept such lip
service (plus the dollars and obedience that go with it) in place of
genuine belief, is an additional indictment of the basic dishonesty of
Christianity.
How deep dishonesty runs in Christianity can be gauged by one of the
most popular Christian arguments for belief in God: Pascal’s wager.
This "wager" holds that it’s safer to "believe" in God (as if belief
were volitional!) than not to believe, because God might exist, and if
it does, it will save "believers" and condemn nonbelievers to hell
after death. This is an appeal to pure cowardice. It has absolutely
nothing to do with the search for truth. Instead, it’s an appeal to
abandon honesty and intellectual integrity, and to pretend that lip
service is the same thing as actual belief. If the patriarchal God of
Christianity really exists, one wonders how it would judge the cowards
and hypocrites who advance and bow to this particularly craven
"wager."
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Look at all the con-men on TV peddling holy healing water, financial
success handkerchiefs, etc. Look at the phony faith healers
collecting millions. Think of all the filet mignons that gave their
lives to make Jerry Falwell's jowls. Look at the politicians. The more
Christian a man pretends to be Christian, the higher the probability
he take bribes. The more Christian a man pretends to be, the more
likely he is to molest children. George W. Bush is the ultimate
example, a mass murderer, child rapist, and child torturer.
Christianity has become the camouflage for the world's pus sacs.
We have two kinds of Christians, stupid naive but sincere people and
intelligent conniving wolves. The wolves run the intuitions.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:34:03 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
4. Christianity is extremely egocentric
" But one can’t ignore the contradictions in and the oftentimes
horrible results of following such "divine guidance." As "Agent
Mulder" put it (perhaps paraphrasing Thomas Szasz) in a 1998 X-Files
episode, "When you talk to God it’s prayer, but when God talks to you
it’s schizophrenia. . . . God may have his reasons, but he sure seems
to employ a lot of psychotics to carry out his job orders."
“God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he
instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am
determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I
will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus
on them.”
~ George W. Bush
2003-06-24, Reported in Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz
according to Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, from minutes
acquired by Ha'aretz from cease-fire negotiations between Abbas and
faction leaders from the Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Popular and
Democratic Fronts (circa, 2003-06), quoted from Arnon Regular, “‘Road
map is a life saver for us,’ PM Abbas tells Hamas” (Haaretz.com:
2003-06-27). Bush is so full of it he expects us to believe that God
too was deceived about the presence of WMDs.
“I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn’t do my job.”
~ George W. Bush, 2004-07-16, to a group of Amish he met with
privately. First reported in the local papers, including the
Intelligencer Journal and the Lancaster New Era.
“I am carrying out divine commands.”
~ George W. Bush
in front of the astonished Canadian prime minister Paul Martin
Reported in The Toronto Globe and Mail
Artist's conception of God talking to Bush
http://mindprod.com/images/bushtrill.jpg
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Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:40:09 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
4. Christianity is extremely egocentric
"In less extreme cases, the insistence that one is receiving divine
guidance or special treatment from God is usually the attempt of those
who feel worthless—or helpless, adrift in an uncaring universe—to feel
important or cared for. "
Did you ever notice that those you have met who claim God talks to
them, are usually the losers of society. Fair enough, God is trying
to give them a leg up. But the things "God" says are so lame, so
incorrect, and inevitably what that person would have told himself
anyway.
This "help" just gives them confidence to do stupid things.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:43:59 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
5. Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
"Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality. It’s only
natural that those who believe (or play act at believing) that they
have a direct line to the Almighty would feel superior to others. This
is so obvious that it needs little elaboration. A brief look at
religious terminology confirms it. Christians have often called
themselves "God’s people," "the chosen people," "the elect," "the
righteous," etc., while nonbelievers have been labeled "heathens,"
"infidels," and "atheistic Communists" (as if atheism and Communism
are intimately connected). This sets up a two-tiered division of
humanity, in which "God’s people" feel superior to those who are not
"God’s people."
That many competing religions with contradictory beliefs make the same
claim seems not to matter at all to the members of the various sects
that claim to be the only carriers of "the true faith." The carnage
that results when two competing sects of "God’s people" collide—as in
Ireland and Palestine—would be quite amusing but for the suffering it
causes."
This is not just a Christian vice, it infects Judaism and Islam. It is
the heart of the conflict in Israel where God's chosen people
sincerely believe that status gives them title to huge tracts of other
people's land.
map of claimed territory:
http://mindprod.com/images/israelpromisedland.png
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 01:47:18 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
6. Christianity breeds authoritarianism
" It’s also obvious in the area of education, with Christians
attempting to force biology teachers to teach their creation myth (but
not those of Hindus, Native Americans, et al.) in place of (or as
being equally valid as) the very well established theory of evolution.
But the authoritarian tendencies of Christianity reach much further
than this."
It might be an interesting tactic for the science teachers to fight
back. They will say "Fine will teach the history of pre-science in
science class exploring the Christian creation myths, on the grounds
we study them from all the cultures the students in American
represent. To be selective would be giving special preference to
Christianity, surely unconstitutional."
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 02:06:27 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
7. Christianity is cruel
"But this should not be surprising coming from Christians, members of
a religion that teaches that eternal torture is not only justified,
but that the "saved" will enjoy seeing the torture of others. As St.
Thomas Aquinas put it:
In order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful and
that they may give to God more copious thanks for it, they are
permitted perfectly to behold the sufferings of the damned . . . The
saints will rejoice in the punishment of the damned.
Thus the vision of heaven of Christianity’s greatest theologian is a
vision of the sadistic enjoyment of endless torture."
Apparently dwelling perpetually on Jesus's torment on the cross turns
people eventually into sadists as a way to endure it.
The very core of Christianity is the belief that you can seek
redemption by dumping pain on Jesus to cleanse your sins. You are
ENCOURAGED to abuse Jesus as your scapegoat. Even though this
transference of sin and pain is all imaginary, the use of scapegoats
is a barbaric and sadistic practice. It can't help but lead to
bullying mistreating others generally.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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15 Oct 2006 02:56:13 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote,
quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
"Today, however, the conflict between religion and science is largely
being played out in the area of public school biology education, with
Christian fundamentalists demanding that their creation myth be taught
in place of (or along with) the theory of evolution in the public
schools. Their tactics rely heavily on public misunderstanding of
science. They nitpick the fossil record for its gaps (hardly
surprising given that we inhabit a geologically and meteorologically
very active planet), while offering absurd interpretations of their
own which we’re supposed to accept at face value—such as that dinosaur
fossils were placed in the earth by Satan to confuse humankind, or
that Noah took baby dinosaurs on the ark."
The USA has fallen behind most of the developed world in science
education. The reason is simple, most Americans claim to believe in
religion over science. A medieval revival of belief in magic and
distrust of logic has seized the country. This inevitably has lead to
the USA falling behind economically.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green, http://mindprod.com
For links to books about George W. Bush see
http://mindprod.com/politics/bushbooks.html
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| User: "joe" |
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15 Oct 2006 03:42:01 PM |
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here we have a discourse by a Gnostic... the wisdom of the world.
The term ' gnosis ' ( to know ) is a Greek word expressing a type of
understanding or consciousness gained through personal experience. It
is through this type of transcendental experience that followers of
Gnostic belief systems seek escape from ignorance... everyone who is
not a Gnostic is therefore ignorant and needs gnostic enlightenment.
" why dont you understand Gods speech ? its because you can not hear
His word. you are of your father the devil " John 8:43,44
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 08:06:19 -0400, wrote:
Interesting & thought provoking
Can't say I agree with all of it but some things appear to be right on the
money
The entire pamphlet is on line at the URL below
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity
http://www.seesharppress.com/20reasons.html#numbernine
[excerpt]
by Chaz Bufe
20 Reasons to Abandon Christianity, by Chaz Bufe cover graphic
Table of Contents
1. Christianity is based on fear
2. Christianity preys on the innocent
3. Christianity is based on dishonesty
4. Christianity is extremely egocentric
5. Christianity breeds arrogance, a chosen-people mentality
6. Christianity breeds authoritarianism
7. Christianity is cruel
8. Christianity is anti-intellectual, anti-scientific
9. Christianity has a morbid, unhealthy preoccupation with sex
10. Christianity produces sexual misery
11. Christianity has an exceedingly narrow, legalistic view of morality
12. Christianity encourages acceptance of real evils while focusing on
imaginary evils
13. Christianity depreciates the natural world
14. Christianity models hierarchical, authoritarian organization
15. Christianity sanctions slavery
16. Christianity is misogynistic
17. Christianity is homophobic
18. The Bible is not a reliable guide to Christ's teachings
19. The Bible is riddled with contradictions
20. Christianity borrowed its central myths and ceremonies from other
ancient religions
This pamphlet briefly looks at many of the reasons that Christianity is
undesirable from both a personal and a social point of view. All of the
matters discussed here have been dealt with elsewhere at greater length,
but that’s beside the point: the purpose of 20 Reasons to Abandon
Christianity is to list the most outstanding misery-producing and socially
destructive qualities of Christianity in one place. When considered in
toto, they lead to an irresistible conclusion: that Christianity must be
abandoned, for the sake of both personal happiness and social progress.
As regards the title, "abandon"—rather than "suppress" or "do away
with"—was chosen deliberately. Attempts to coercively suppress beliefs are
not only ethically wrong, but in the long run they are often ineffective—as
the recent resurgence of religion in the former Soviet Union demonstrates.
If Christianity is ever to disappear, it will be because individual human
beings wake up, abandon their destructive, repressive beliefs, and choose
life, choose to be here now.
[end excerpt]
***************************************************************
You are invited to check out the following:
The Rise of the Theocratic States of America
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocracy.htm
American Theocrats - Past and Present
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/theocrats.htm
The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
[and to join the discussion group for the above site and/or Separation of
Church and State in general, listed below]
HRSepCnS · Hampton Roads [Virginia] SepChurch&State
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HRSepCnS/
[Its not just Hampton Roads folks who are members, there are members from
all over the US and a couple from overseas as well]
***************************************************************
. . . You can't understand a phrase such as "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
take their meaning from social as well as textual contexts, which is why "a
page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
Sherman v. Community Consol. Dist. 21, 980 F.2d 437, 445 (7th Cir. 1992)
. . .
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USAF LT. COL (Ret) Buffman (Glen P. Goffin) wrote
"You pilot always into an unknown future;
facts are your only clue. Get the facts!"
That philosophy 'snipit' helped to get me, and my crew, through a good
many combat missions and far too many scary, inflight, emergencies.
It has also played a significant role in helping me to expose the
plethora of radical Christian propaganda and lies that we find at
almost every media turn.
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THE CONSTITUTIONAL PRINCIPLE:
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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