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"Bear" |
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02 Nov 2005 09:48:05 PM |
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2000 Years Late |
Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the Messiah,
the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will see me, the Son
of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of power and coming back on
the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven? Is that
high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high priest will see
Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem hath
not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if the thing
follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem hath not
spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid
of him. Devarim 21-22
Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Nov 2005 04:59:13 PM |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:48:05 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the Messiah,
the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will see me, the Son
of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of power and coming back on
the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven? Is that
high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high priest will see
Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem hath
not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if the thing
follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem hath not
spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid
of him. Devarim 21-22
Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
***** poor fiction is worthless.
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Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Nov 2005 05:52:51 PM |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:48:05 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the Messiah,
the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will see me, the Son
of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of power and coming back on
the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven? Is that
high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high priest will see
Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem hath
not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if the thing
follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem hath not
spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid
of him. Devarim 21-22
Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
No, he came back 3 days later, and was sitting at the right hand of the Father
40 days after that.
All scriptural, dude.
duke
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bear" |
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| Title: Re: 2000 Years Late |
03 Nov 2005 05:55:39 PM |
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"duke" wrote
: "Bear" wrote:
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: >Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
Messiah,
: >the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will see me, the
Son
: >of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of power and coming back
on
: >the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: >Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven? Is
that
: >high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high priest will
see
: >Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: >
: >And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem
hath
: >not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if the thing
: >follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem hath not
: >spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be
afraid
: >of him. Devarim 18:21-22
: >
: >Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
:
: No, he came back 3 days later, and was sitting at the right hand of the
Father
: 40 days after that.
Did the high priest see him sitting at the right hand of the father?
: All scriptural, dude.
You didn't address anything.
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Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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03 Nov 2005 06:19:19 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 22:48:05 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net> wrote:
Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the Messiah,
the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will see me, the Son
of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of power and coming back on
the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven? Is that
high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high priest will see
Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem hath
not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if the thing
follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem hath not
spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt not be afraid
of him. Devarim 21-22
Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
No, he came back 3 days later, and was sitting at the right hand of the Father
40 days after that.
All scriptural, dude.
===>Really? Poor duckie, wrong again!
Q: What is your evidence?
Who saw him "coming back on the clouds of heaven"
or "sitting at the right hand of the Father"???
A: No one! -- L.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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02 Nov 2005 10:25:57 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
(bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem
hath not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if
the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem
hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt
not be afraid of him. Devarim 21-22
Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
There are a lot of otherwise sane people who believe the second coming
will be within their own lifetimes. Is that wishful thinking or what?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "shadow" |
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04 Nov 2005 01:49:33 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns9702CFDBFBF8Evicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
(bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem
hath not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if
the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem
hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt
not be afraid of him. Devarim 21-22
Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
There are a lot of otherwise sane people who believe the second coming
will be within their own lifetimes. Is that wishful thinking or what?
second comings are happening all the time, everywhere... they were
happening even before jesus. and they will keep on happening. forever.
look, vic... theres another one! wow, its you vic!
ps.
lets say that jesus decides to come back as you vic. i mean, if jesus
decided to take your body and make you his 'earthly' representative.
so to speak. hypothetically speaking, of course... what would you do?
would you kill yourself? would you kill some... atheists, for example?
(remember, in this theory, you are jesus, vic) what would you do?
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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04 Nov 2005 10:35:57 AM |
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on 03 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet shadow (shadow@sun.org) made
the light shine upon us with this:
lets say that jesus decides to come back as you vic. i mean, if jesus
decided to take your body and make you his 'earthly' representative.
so to speak. hypothetically speaking, of course... what would you do?
would you kill yourself? would you kill some... atheists, for
example? (remember, in this theory, you are jesus, vic) what would
you do?
I don't believe there is a god, but if there was, and I was his son (and
part of the "godhead") I would be able to change the moral requirements of
the church so that they would be conductive to a functional society as a
whole, instead of singling out a group of "chosen ones" and opressing all
others. There would be no eternal punishment, and changing your mind
after you have died and gone on to judgement day would be ok. Perhaps a
rehab center would be in order for the truly delinquent souls, someplace
where I could use my powers for good, and zap them all into a functional
society. Christianity portrays an image to its brainwashed followers of
"one big happy family", all men are brothers, etc. and this is FAR from
true. If I (as part god) loved all of mankind, I would be sure to love
*all* of mankind.
And that is my version of wishful thinking.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "shadow" |
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05 Nov 2005 10:53:22 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns970457BF973D6vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 03 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet shadow (shadow@sun.org) made
the light shine upon us with this:
lets say that jesus decides to come back as you vic. i mean, if jesus
decided to take your body and make you his 'earthly' representative.
so to speak. hypothetically speaking, of course... what would you do?
would you kill yourself? would you kill some... atheists, for
example? (remember, in this theory, you are jesus, vic) what would
you do?
I don't believe there is a god, but if there was, and I was his son (and
part of the "godhead") I would be able to change the moral requirements of
the church so that they would be conductive to a functional society as a
whole, instead of singling out a group of "chosen ones" and opressing all
others.
yeah. nice concept. but what if reality of things are such, that some really
are better than the others? like, you know english better than me, i can
play guitar better than you. what do you think about that?
i understand what youre trying to say, vic. have no doubt about that.
There would be no eternal punishment, and changing your mind
after you have died and gone on to judgement day would be ok. Perhaps a
rehab center would be in order for the truly delinquent souls, someplace
where I could use my powers for good, and zap them all into a functional
society.
rofl! like, you mean... criminals in prison? yeah... 'zap them right back
into a functional society', which btw... hasnt changed that much since
they went in prison 20 or 30 years ago. yeah... nice concept vic. rofl!
Christianity portrays an image to its brainwashed followers of
"one big happy family", all men are brothers, etc. and this is FAR from
true. If I (as part god) loved all of mankind, I would be sure to love
*all* of mankind.
all? like, you mean... jesus loved all of us? wow vic... are you sure
you are an atheist? roFl!
And that is my version of wishful thinking.
yeah... think more, vic. wont hurt you, you know...
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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05 Nov 2005 12:22:23 PM |
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on 05 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet shadow (shadow@sun.org) made
the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970457BF973D6vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 03 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet shadow (shadow@sun.org)
made the light shine upon us with this:
lets say that jesus decides to come back as you vic. i mean, if
jesus decided to take your body and make you his 'earthly'
representative. so to speak. hypothetically speaking, of course...
what would you do? would you kill yourself? would you kill some...
atheists, for example? (remember, in this theory, you are jesus,
vic) what would you do?
I don't believe there is a god, but if there was, and I was his son
(and part of the "godhead") I would be able to change the moral
requirements of the church so that they would be conductive to a
functional society as a whole, instead of singling out a group of
"chosen ones" and opressing all others.
yeah. nice concept. but what if reality of things are such, that some
really are better than the others? like, you know english better than
me, i can play guitar better than you. what do you think about that?
I'll take you on with my violin. I come not to bring peace. I bring a
bow. En garde!
i understand what youre trying to say, vic. have no doubt about that.
There would be no eternal punishment, and changing your mind
after you have died and gone on to judgement day would be ok.
Perhaps a rehab center would be in order for the truly delinquent
souls, someplace where I could use my powers for good, and zap them
all into a functional society.
rofl! like, you mean... criminals in prison? yeah... 'zap them right
back into a functional society', which btw... hasnt changed that much
since they went in prison 20 or 30 years ago. yeah... nice concept
vic. rofl!
What's more absurd, that or being zapped out of your grave and brought
back from the dead? If I'm going to be god I'm going to have magical
powers, so I can do anything I want.
Christianity portrays an image to its brainwashed followers of
"one big happy family", all men are brothers, etc. and this is FAR
from true. If I (as part god) loved all of mankind, I would be sure
to love *all* of mankind.
all? like, you mean... jesus loved all of us? wow vic... are you sure
you are an atheist? roFl!
You asked me to be god-for-a-post. That's just my version. I know, it's
fantasy-land. Just like all religion.
<snip>
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "shadow" |
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06 Nov 2005 08:58:48 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns970569CAFF161vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 05 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet shadow (shadow@sun.org) made
the light shine upon us with this:
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
news:Xns970457BF973D6vicman@127.0.0.1...
on 03 Nov 2005 in alt.atheism, dear sweet shadow (shadow@sun.org)
made the light shine upon us with this:
lets say that jesus decides to come back as you vic. i mean, if
jesus decided to take your body and make you his 'earthly'
representative. so to speak. hypothetically speaking, of course...
what would you do? would you kill yourself? would you kill some...
atheists, for example? (remember, in this theory, you are jesus,
vic) what would you do?
I don't believe there is a god, but if there was, and I was his son
(and part of the "godhead") I would be able to change the moral
requirements of the church so that they would be conductive to a
functional society as a whole, instead of singling out a group of
"chosen ones" and opressing all others.
yeah. nice concept. but what if reality of things are such, that some
really are better than the others? like, you know english better than
me, i can play guitar better than you. what do you think about that?
I'll take you on with my violin. I come not to bring peace. I bring a
bow. En garde!
if you are not for peace, then... fu! r)FL^3
i understand what youre trying to say, vic. have no doubt about that.
There would be no eternal punishment, and changing your mind
after you have died and gone on to judgement day would be ok.
Perhaps a rehab center would be in order for the truly delinquent
souls, someplace where I could use my powers for good, and zap them
all into a functional society.
rofl! like, you mean... criminals in prison? yeah... 'zap them right
back into a functional society', which btw... hasnt changed that much
since they went in prison 20 or 30 years ago. yeah... nice concept
vic. rofl!
What's more absurd, that or being zapped out of your grave and brought
back from the dead? If I'm going to be god I'm going to have magical
powers, so I can do anything I want.
which is more pathetic; thinking you are being paranoid, or knowing
that you should be? tell me...
Christianity portrays an image to its brainwashed followers of
"one big happy family", all men are brothers, etc. and this is FAR
from true. If I (as part god) loved all of mankind, I would be sure
to love *all* of mankind.
all? like, you mean... jesus loved all of us? wow vic... are you sure
you are an atheist? roFl!
You asked me to be god-for-a-post. That's just my version. I know, it's
fantasy-land. Just like all religion.
and atheism, of course... you forgot that one vic.
l0L^2
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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06 Nov 2005 11:58:57 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet shadow (shadow@sun.org) made
the light shine upon us with this:
What's more absurd, that or being zapped out of your grave and brought
back from the dead? If I'm going to be god I'm going to have magical
powers, so I can do anything I want.
which is more pathetic; thinking you are being paranoid, or knowing
that you should be? tell me...
Ad hom time. You lose.
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
----
"The world is only 5-6 thousand years old does not mean the planet
earth is only 5-6 thousand years old. There have been many worlds
created and destroyed on this planet. The creation of the planet is
described in Genesis 1. The creation of the world is described in
Genesis 2. Two different kind of creations." --Eric Brze
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| User: "shadow" |
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07 Nov 2005 08:41:13 AM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message news:Xns9706DFA02D3E8vicman@216.196.97.136...
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet shadow (shadow@sun.org) made
the light shine upon us with this:
What's more absurd, that or being zapped out of your grave and brought
back from the dead? If I'm going to be god I'm going to have magical
powers, so I can do anything I want.
which is more pathetic; thinking you are being paranoid, or knowing
that you should be? tell me...
Ad hom time. You lose.
says who? you? an atheist? wow...
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| User: "Bear" |
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02 Nov 2005 10:32:37 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
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: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: >
: > And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem
: > hath not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if
: > the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem
: > hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt
: > not be afraid of him. Devarim 21-22
: >
: > Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
: >
:
: There are a lot of otherwise sane people who believe the second coming
: will be within their own lifetimes. Is that wishful thinking or what?
That depends on how rationally they arrive at that conclusion.
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
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| User: "stoney" |
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06 Nov 2005 05:00:37 PM |
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On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: >
: > And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem
: > hath not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if
: > the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem
: > hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt
: > not be afraid of him. Devarim 21-22
: >
: > Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
: >
:
: There are a lot of otherwise sane people who believe the second coming
: will be within their own lifetimes. Is that wishful thinking or what?
That depends on how rationally they arrive at that conclusion.
The rationality factor is zero if not in imaginary numbers.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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07 Nov 2005 11:09:53 PM |
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stoney wrote
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
" The effort to educate the uneducable is hopeless. Schools for
adults soon become kindergartens for adults. The pupils are quite
unable to take in the education proper to their years. The gogues thus
have to provide them with amusement, just as children of four are
provided with amusement in kindergartens. The hope is that they will
somehow learn to think as an accidental by-product of playing, but that
hope is vain."
H.L. Mencken
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| User: "stone" |
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07 Nov 2005 04:52:15 PM |
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stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception about many
things that living people don't have. If God wants that man to see it from
hell, then he will see it, even if it is only by esp.
: >
: > And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem
: > hath not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if
: > the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem
: > hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt
: > not be afraid of him. Devarim 21-22
: >
: > Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
: >
:
: There are a lot of otherwise sane people who believe the second coming
: will be within their own lifetimes. Is that wishful thinking or what?
That depends on how rationally they arrive at that conclusion.
The rationality factor is zero if not in imaginary numbers.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Bear" |
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07 Nov 2005 04:57:00 PM |
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"stone" wrote
: stoney wrote
: > "Bear" wrote:
: >
: >>"Uncle Vic" wrote
: >>: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: >>: made the light shine upon us with this:
: >>:
: >>: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: >>: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you
will
: >>: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: >>: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >>: >
: >>: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: >>: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: >>: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
:
:
: Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
: The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
: in their minds, in hell.
: People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception about many
: things that living people don't have. If God wants that man to see it from
: hell, then he will see it, even if it is only by esp.
LOL!!!
--
Bear
There but for circumstances go I.
It is the right and the duty of every person to rationally and skeptically
examine a proposition before accepting it, and if that proposition turns out
to not be supported by logic or evidence, it is the mark of a mature mind to
be able to set it aside and face life as it really is.
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| User: "stoney" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:57:20 AM |
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On 7 Nov 2005 22:52:15 GMT, "stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>
wrote:
stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is.
*****, oh braindead wankstain.
[]
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?cantc=FF?=" |
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07 Nov 2005 07:56:44 PM |
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stone wrote:
Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
Can you cite several verses to prove this?
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
- makes more sense than transparent dirt.
We do know that the inside of the earth is very hot.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception about many
things that living people don't have.
If God wants that man to see it from
hell, then he will see it, even if it is only by esp.
Sounds pretty cool.
Have you any idea how many demons can dance on the head of a pin?
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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08 Nov 2005 12:46:21 AM |
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cantcy wrote:
stone wrote:
Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
Can you cite several verses to prove this?
find a graphic representation of the hebrew cosmology and you will see
that sheol is in the earth
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
- makes more sense than transparent dirt.
We do know that the inside of the earth is very hot.
since there is no consciousness in `sheol` [Qohelet] his proposition is
impossible
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception about many
things that living people don't have.
If God wants that man to see it from
hell, then he will see it, even if it is only by esp.
Sounds pretty cool.
what is your version of the Rich Man and LAzarus allegory or parable ?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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08 Nov 2005 09:01:58 AM |
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stone wrote:
stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception
===>You have a good imagination.
But there's no such thing as "after life".
Once your computer is broken,
is disintegrated into pieces,
the hard drive rusted out, it ,
there's no "after life" for it, either. -- L.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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09 Nov 2005 12:10:32 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
stone wrote:
stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception
===>You have a good imagination.
But there's no such thing as "after life".
Once your computer is broken,
is disintegrated into pieces,
the hard drive rusted out, it ,
there's no "after life" for it, either. -- L.
and unless you inscribe these threads in granite with translations into
other languages, a thousand years from now some creationist will be
claiming we all walked with a deity and called him by name.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: 2000 Years Late |
09 Nov 2005 03:15:47 PM |
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"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
stone wrote:
stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception
===>You have a good imagination.
But there's no such thing as "after life".
Once your computer is broken,
is disintegrated into pieces,
the hard drive rusted out, it ,
there's no "after life" for it, either. -- L.
and unless you inscribe these threads in granite with translations into
other languages, a thousand years from now some creationist will be
claiming we all walked with a deity and called him by name.
===>And his name was "EMES"? ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: 2000 Years Late |
09 Nov 2005 09:11:36 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
stone wrote:
stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception
===>You have a good imagination.
But there's no such thing as "after life".
Once your computer is broken,
is disintegrated into pieces,
the hard drive rusted out, it ,
there's no "after life" for it, either. -- L.
and unless you inscribe these threads in granite with translations into
other languages, a thousand years from now some creationist will be
claiming we all walked with a deity and called him by name.
===>And his name was "EMES"? ;-) -- L.
sounds like speculation a` la Stephen Vincent Benet ?
i think the Frenchman got it right with the deity worshiped in
St.Patrick's Cathedral in 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes'
which probably is a more reasonable deity to worship in context
and easier to argue as creator
'atom bomb'
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: 2000 Years Late |
09 Nov 2005 09:29:36 PM |
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"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
stone wrote:
stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception
===>You have a good imagination.
But there's no such thing as "after life".
Once your computer is broken,
is disintegrated into pieces,
the hard drive rusted out, it ,
there's no "after life" for it, either. -- L.
and unless you inscribe these threads in granite with translations into
other languages, a thousand years from now some creationist will be
claiming we all walked with a deity and called him by name.
===>And his name was "EMES"? ;-) -- L.
sounds like speculation a` la Stephen Vincent Benet ?
i think the Frenchman got it right with the deity worshiped in
St.Patrick's Cathedral in 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes'
which probably is a more reasonable deity to worship in context
and easier to argue as creator
'atom bomb'
===>What is a
tom bomb?
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: 2000 Years Late |
09 Nov 2005 09:51:37 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
stone wrote:
stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception
===>You have a good imagination.
But there's no such thing as "after life".
Once your computer is broken,
is disintegrated into pieces,
the hard drive rusted out, it ,
there's no "after life" for it, either. -- L.
and unless you inscribe these threads in granite with translations into
other languages, a thousand years from now some creationist will be
claiming we all walked with a deity and called him by name.
===>And his name was "EMES"? ;-) -- L.
sounds like speculation a` la Stephen Vincent Benet ?
i think the Frenchman got it right with the deity worshiped in
St.Patrick's Cathedral in 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes'
which probably is a more reasonable deity to worship in context
and easier to argue as creator
'atom bomb'
===>What is a
tom bomb?
That is the device with the alpha and omega which Charlton Heston
detonates in contempt for Dr. Zaius.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: 2000 Years Late |
10 Nov 2005 10:16:23 AM |
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"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
"Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" wrote:
Libertarius wrote:
stone wrote:
stoney wrote in message <3n2tm1lmii7fhq99fth514epvgsv9aggqk@4ax.com>...
On Wed, 2 Nov 2005 23:32:37 -0500, "Bear" <bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net>
wrote:
"Uncle Vic" wrote
: Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
: made the light shine upon us with this:
:
: > Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
: > Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
: > see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
: > power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
: >
: > Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
: > Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
: > priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Yes there is. Hell is called down in the bible, below the earth's surface.
The sinners in hell may be allowed to see Jesus coming back in the clouds,
in their minds, in hell.
People in the afterlife might have an extra sensory perception
===>You have a good imagination.
But there's no such thing as "after life".
Once your computer is broken,
is disintegrated into pieces,
the hard drive rusted out, it ,
there's no "after life" for it, either. -- L.
and unless you inscribe these threads in granite with translations into
other languages, a thousand years from now some creationist will be
claiming we all walked with a deity and called him by name.
===>And his name was "EMES"? ;-) -- L.
sounds like speculation a` la Stephen Vincent Benet ?
i think the Frenchman got it right with the deity worshiped in
St.Patrick's Cathedral in 'Beneath the Planet of the Apes'
which probably is a more reasonable deity to worship in context
and easier to argue as creator
'atom bomb'
===>What is a
tom bomb?
That is the device with the alpha and omega which Charlton Heston
detonates in contempt for Dr. Zaius.
===>Ah, THAT!
Thanks for clarifying it! -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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03 Nov 2005 06:01:24 PM |
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Uncle Vic wrote:
Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Bear
(bigbear1wh@nativeweb.net) made the light shine upon us with this:
Jesus made no reply. Then the high priest asked him, "Are you the
Messiah, the Son of the blessed God?" Jesus said, "I am, and you will
see me, the Son of Man, sitting at God's right hand in the place of
power and coming back on the clouds of heaven." Mark 14:61-62
Who did Jesus say would see him coming back on the clouds of heaven?
Is that high priest still alive today? Is there any chance that high
priest will see Jesus coming back on the clouds of heaven?
And if thou say in thy heart: 'How shall we know the word which HaShem
hath not spoken?' When a prophet speaketh in the name of HaShem, if
the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which HaShem
hath not spoken; the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously, thou shalt
not be afraid of him. Devarim 21-22
Did Jesus speak presumptuously?
There are a lot of otherwise sane people who believe the second coming
will be within their own lifetimes. Is that wishful thinking or what?
===>It sure is. At best. However,
ever since Thessalonians, deceptive preachers have risen
in each generation to tell believers that it will happen in their lifetime.
That has been one sure way to get converts. -- L.
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