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2006: A Year Of Savage Media Attacks On Jesus |
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9270
The Days of Our Lord
By Patrick Hynes
Published 1/13/2006 12:06:47 AM
Year 2004 was a mixed bag for Jesus. While the last day of His life on
earth made for a very successful bio pic at the hands of
producer/director Mel Gibson, he was also the subject of a whole lot of
flogging at the hands of Frank Rich and the gang at the Times. And then
in 2005, the Son of Man faced the ultimate indignity by being quoted
frequently (and just as frequently misquoted) by Democrat National
Chairman Howard Dean. But 2006 is already starting to look like His
worst year since 33 A.D.
The prophets over at High Times ask in this month's issue, "Was Jesus a
Stoner?" How else can you explain the fact that he healed all those
people? Using an extract from cannabis called kaneh-bosem, we are led
to believe, Jesus presumably brought little girls back to life and
cured blindness. This leaves open the question why kaneh-bosem ever
went out of style or why other would-be Messiahs didn't catch on to
Rabbi Feelgood's Magic Formula. But the real kicker is that the author
of the article, one Chris Bennet, claims that those who persecute
marijuana users are, in light of this new discovery, the antichrist.
Viewers of NBC's The Book of Daniel might be forgiven for believing
Jesus was doing a little something more than just casting our demons
with the weed. The clever writers of that offensive little cultural
blight decided to cast Jesus as a hippie-ish dude who fluffs off the
sexual peccadilloes of one character by saying, "He's a kid, let him be
a kid," and who appears completely untroubled by evil or sin in the
world.
Hold on. It gets better.
The biggest Hollywood blockbuster in 2006 will surely be Ron Howard's
The Da Vinci Code, the cinematic adaptation of Dan Brown's wildly
successful novel, which posits that Jesus of Nazareth wasn't so much
the Savior of all mankind from sin, but rather a spiritual Jew who
married this chick named Mary Magdalene and whose great, great, great,
great, great grandkids set up the Merovingian dynasty in Dark Ages
France. Oh yeah, and the Catholic Church has used murder and
intimidation to cover up this marriage for almost two thousand years.
But all of these folks may have a big problem on their hands. You see,
an Italian court will soon decide once and for all if Jesus of Nazareth
ever even really existed or whether he was a collective figment of
early Christians' imagination. A Signor Luigi Cascioli is suing Father
Enrico Righi for "abusing popular credulity" by denouncing in the
church bulletin Signor Cascioli's assertions that Jesus never was. In
order to dodge his legal bullet, Father Righi is going to have to prove
a Jesus in fact lived in first century Palestine. And the Gospels don't
count because they have largely been misinterpreted, don't you know.
The very fact that the court has taken up the case -- a case it had
originally refused to hear but flipped when the original decision was
appealed -- tells us in advance what the decision is likely to be.
Ah, Jesus. A pot-smoking hippie who married Mary and never really
existed at all. The same yesterday, today, and forever.
Patrick Hynes is the proprietor of Ankle Biting Pundits and The Channel
Changer. He is writing a book on the Religious Right for Nelson
Current.
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19 Mar 2006 06:20:25 PM |
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And you're bothered because your Jesus is weak and helpless like
yourself...He certainly can't do anything on His own.
Paul
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19 Mar 2006 06:23:26 PM |
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Paul Duca <p.duca@comcast.net> wrote in
news:C0435F79.D3F%p.duca@comcast.net:
And you're bothered because your Jesus is weak and helpless like
yourself...He certainly can't do anything on His own.
Ahhh, they just don't make gods like they used to. Thor, Zeus, now *those*
were gods! No punk Roman ever nailed *their* asses to a tree!
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
The next time someone tells me that Jesus died for my sins, I'm tempted
to reply, "Oh yeah? Well, Prometheus spent several thousand years
getting his liver ripped out by a vulture just so you could cook your
food -- and HE doesn't threaten to punish you if you don't worship him!"
-- Andrew Lias
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14 Mar 2006 06:24:09 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote in
news:1142290939.744538.260630@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
Year 2004 was a mixed bag for Jesus.
It's tough being an omnipotent god, isn't it.
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Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
PGP ID: 0xC4CE8CF0
In 1850, I believe, the church property in the United States, which paid no
tax, amounted to $87 million. In 1900, without a check, it is safe to say,
this property will reach a sum exceeding $3 billion. I would suggest the
taxation of all property equally.
-- Ulysses S. Grant
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13 Mar 2006 05:43:33 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mail2world.com> wrote in message
news:1142290939.744538.260630@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9270
Ah, Jesus. ...never really
existed at all.
only part that makes any sense
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| User: "trike" |
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13 Mar 2006 08:48:52 PM |
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Ah, Jesus. A pot-smoking hippie who married Mary and never really
existed at all. The same yesterday, today, and forever.
If you're a true Christian, does it really matter at the end of the day
if Jesus wore a size nine sandal and someone else says he wore a size
twelve?
Isn't the message more important? If Jesus really was who everyone
says he was, then he'll survive a failed TV show, a couple of books and
a movie or two. Heck, even the Gospels disagree about who he was,
where he was from and what he said. (Which is pretty much the source
of the confusion in the first place.)
So relax. Love thy neighbor and forgive them, for they know not what
they do.
Doug
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13 Mar 2006 11:19:35 PM |
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trike wrote:
So relax. Love thy neighbor and forgive them, for they know not what
they do.
"Love?" "Forgive?" Nah, the new Jesus (according to these boneheads) is
all about moralizing about others' sex lives while taking no
responsiblity for being materialistic and hypocritical.
C.
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| User: "DanielSan" |
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13 Mar 2006 11:30:54 PM |
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deering24 wrote:
trike wrote:
So relax. Love thy neighbor and forgive them, for they know not what
they do.
"Love?" "Forgive?" Nah, the new Jesus (according to these boneheads) is
all about moralizing about others' sex lives while taking no
responsiblity for being materialistic and hypocritical.
But, there is something telling in Trike's post. Trike is trying to
equate homosexuality to the conjectural arrest, torture, and subsequent
execution of a religious leader.
Amazing, innit?
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14 Mar 2006 11:20:34 AM |
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deering24 wrote:
trike wrote:
So relax. Love thy neighbor and forgive them, for they know not what
they do.
"Love?" "Forgive?" Nah, the new Jesus (according to these boneheads) is
all about moralizing about others' sex lives while taking no
responsiblity for being materialistic and hypocritical.
As opposed to blowing up innocent civilians in order to reach virgin
cooch. You're funny (i.e., incredibly stupid).
C.
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| User: "deering24" |
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14 Mar 2006 07:46:58 PM |
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wrote:
"Love?" "Forgive?" Nah, the new Jesus (according to these boneheads) is
all about moralizing about others' sex lives while taking no
responsiblity for being materialistic and hypocritical.
As opposed to blowing up innocent civilians in order to reach virgin
cooch.
....or blowing up abortion clinics to save lives. Or trashing a country
to save its oil from tyranny...
You're funny (i.e., incredibly stupid).<
Normally, I'd drop in a "get the mote outta your own eye," comment
but...
C.
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(...when dealing with bigoted ignorant people, my general rule these
days is that bandwidth is too short...)
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14 Mar 2006 11:43:12 AM |
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A story about Jesus in "High Times" and "The Da Vinci Code" comprise a
YEAR of SAVAGE MEDIA ATTACKS?
My fault: I should have long ago given up expecting truth or accuracy
from allegedly-religious folks.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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14 Mar 2006 12:11:49 PM |
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<pluto@quentincrisp.com> wrote in message
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A story about Jesus in "High Times" and "The Da Vinci Code" comprise a
YEAR of SAVAGE MEDIA ATTACKS?
My fault: I should have long ago given up expecting truth or accuracy
from allegedly-religious folks.
Actually Im confused as to how the Da Vinci Code is an attack on Jesus?
Admittedly I haven't finished it yet, but to me it's more an attack (if it
could be called that) on christianity. Is it the whole being mortal and
having a family thing that's so awful?
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15 Mar 2006 06:23:06 PM |
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"kathryn <nospam@here.com>" wrote:
Actually Im confused as to how the Da Vinci Code is an attack on
Jesus? Admittedly I haven't finished it yet, but to me it's more
an attack (if it could be called that) on christianity.
Most of the idiotic "history" recounted in the book is more an attack on
the church than Jesus himself, that's for sure. The history in this
book makes no more sense than the cryptography in _Digital Fortress_,
which was an even bigger exercise in stupidity. But a work of fiction
making up history is no reason to attack it: it is *fiction*, after all.
My two primary complaints about the book are:
1) The writing is amateurish.
At a few points, you can almost hear Dan Brown thinking "Hmm, they've
been talking for a while. When this is a movie it'll be dull here. I
know, I'll put in a car chase!"
2) The protagonists are the bad guys.
In the story, there's a group with a bunch of secret documents and
artifacts. They believe these artifacts are genuinely ancient, and will
shed light on historically-important people and events. So the right
thing to do is hand this stuff over to trained conservators at a museum
where it will be studied by those competent to do it. Instead, they
spend a huge pile of money on a ridiculous bunch of schemes to preserve
the artifacts and documents, but still keep them hidden. Has anyone
competent to translate or authenticate these documents ever seen them?
Has anyone competent to preserve them been given a chance to do so?
The behavior of the "good guys" in this book is flatly and explicitly
immoral. The proper complaint for a Christian about this book isn't
about the idiotic histories, which no informed person would believe.
The proper complaint is about the approval bestowed upon unethical
behaviour by glorifying the people who behave wrongly.
Darren Provine ! ! http://www.rowan.edu/~kilroy
"I decided to get rid of the obsolete idea of morality."
-- Brian T Schellenberger, explaining his decision to create
child pornography, having been influenced by a motivational
workplace poster which read "Achieve Your Dreams"
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14 Mar 2006 07:54:43 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
Actually Im confused as to how the Da Vinci Code is an attack on Jesus?
Admittedly I haven't finished it yet, but to me it's more an attack (if it
could be called that) on christianity. Is it the whole being mortal and
having a family thing that's so awful?
It's 1) the idea of Jesus having sex. With a "fallen" woman, at that,
and 2) that the Catholic church would wage a bazillion-year murderous
conspiracy to keep that fact silent.
C.
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15 Mar 2006 11:17:40 AM |
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"deering24" <deering24@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:441772DD.95F0CAA7@mindspring.com...
kathryn wrote:
Actually Im confused as to how the Da Vinci Code is an attack on Jesus?
Admittedly I haven't finished it yet, but to me it's more an attack (if
it
could be called that) on christianity. Is it the whole being mortal and
having a family thing that's so awful?
It's 1) the idea of Jesus having sex. With a "fallen" woman, at that,
and 2) that the Catholic church would wage a bazillion-year murderous
conspiracy to keep that fact silent.
C.
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That's hardly an attack on Jesus though. He's very nice about Jesus - apart
from the whole not being a god thing
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18 Mar 2006 10:18:55 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
"deering24" <deering24@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:441772DD.95F0CAA7@mindspring.com...
kathryn wrote:
Actually Im confused as to how the Da Vinci Code is an attack on Jesus?
Admittedly I haven't finished it yet, but to me it's more an attack (if
it
could be called that) on christianity. Is it the whole being mortal and
having a family thing that's so awful?
It's 1) the idea of Jesus having sex. With a "fallen" woman, at that,
and 2) that the Catholic church would wage a bazillion-year murderous
conspiracy to keep that fact silent.
That's hardly an attack on Jesus though. He's very nice about Jesus - apart
from the whole not being a god thing
These folks figure that even hinting Jesus was "fallen" enough to have
something as "base" as sex is an insult. You have to
understand--evangelicals and fundies and winger Catholics regard sex as
a snare and a temptation in general--and mankind as sinners because they
were "born of sin." For TDVC to say that Jesus could be vulnerable to
sex is like saying he's a sinner.
C.
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14 Mar 2006 08:07:50 PM |
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deering24 wrote:
kathryn wrote:
Actually Im confused as to how the Da Vinci Code is an attack on Jesus?
Admittedly I haven't finished it yet, but to me it's more an attack (if it
could be called that) on christianity. Is it the whole being mortal and
having a family thing that's so awful?
It's 1) the idea of Jesus having sex. With a "fallen" woman, at that,
1-1/2) That people still think Maggie was "fallen" (even though the NT
never once mentions what she did, only that she was "healed"), just
because Medieval clergy had a 15th-century misogynist bug up their hinder,
and 2) that the Catholic church would wage a bazillion-year murderous
conspiracy to keep that fact silent.
and 3) That enough wishfully gullible dopes still believe 1-1/2) to play
up 2) into an "anti-feminist conspiracy", just because it would sound
Really Cool and Self-Vindicating If It Were True...
Derek Janssen
ejanss@comcast.net
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14 Mar 2006 09:52:55 PM |
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Derek Janssen wrote:
1-1/2) That people still think Maggie was "fallen" (even though the NT
never once mentions what she did, only that she was "healed"), just
because Medieval clergy had a 15th-century misogynist bug up their hinder,
One of the most interesting books I read last year was a Christian
scholar's take on women in the Bible. She pointed out that when you go
back to the text on just about all of the more "notorious ones" (Queen
Vashti, Queen of Sheba, Mary Magadeline, the women who followed Jesus),
there's no evidence they were the hussies, sluts, or
generally-uncontrollable women that organized religion and traditional
dogma has claimed they were.
and 2) that the Catholic church would wage a bazillion-year murderous
conspiracy to keep that fact silent.
and 3) That enough wishfully gullible dopes still believe 1-1/2) to play
up 2) into an "anti-feminist conspiracy", just because it would sound
Really Cool and Self-Vindicating If It Were True...
Gotta give Dan Brown credit--he's not the most skilled writer in the
world, but he pulled together one heckuva premise...g!
C.
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14 Mar 2006 10:53:48 PM |
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in article 44178E83.343E035B@mindspring.com, deering24 at
deering24@mindspring.com wrote on 3/14/06 8:52 PM:
Derek Janssen wrote:
1-1/2) That people still think Maggie was "fallen" (even though the NT
never once mentions what she did, only that she was "healed"), just
because Medieval clergy had a 15th-century misogynist bug up their hinder,
One of the most interesting books I read last year was a Christian
scholar's take on women in the Bible. She pointed out that when you go
back to the text on just about all of the more "notorious ones" (Queen
Vashti, Queen of Sheba, Mary Magadeline, the women who followed Jesus),
there's no evidence they were the hussies, sluts, or
generally-uncontrollable women that organized religion and traditional
dogma has claimed they were.
Mary Magdalene wasn't a hooker?
You're not saying Tim Rice lied to me??
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14 Mar 2006 11:22:09 PM |
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ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
in article 44178E83.343E035B@mindspring.com, deering24 at
deering24@mindspring.com wrote on 3/14/06 8:52 PM:
Derek Janssen wrote:
1-1/2) That people still think Maggie was "fallen" (even though the NT
never once mentions what she did, only that she was "healed"), just
because Medieval clergy had a 15th-century misogynist bug up their hinder,
One of the most interesting books I read last year was a Christian
scholar's take on women in the Bible. She pointed out that when you go
back to the text on just about all of the more "notorious ones" (Queen
Vashti, Queen of Sheba, Mary Magadeline, the women who followed Jesus),
there's no evidence they were the hussies, sluts, or
generally-uncontrollable women that organized religion and traditional
dogma has claimed they were.
Mary Magdalene wasn't a hooker?
You're not saying Tim Rice lied to me??
Pat Robertson did too. Sorry...;)
C.
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15 Mar 2006 12:38:04 AM |
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ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
Derek Janssen wrote:
1-1/2) That people still think Maggie was "fallen" (even though the NT
never once mentions what she did, only that she was "healed"), just
because Medieval clergy had a 15th-century misogynist bug up their hinder,
Mary Magdalene wasn't a hooker?
Nnnope--And before you make Dopey Mainstream Confusion #2, no, she
wasn't the "Cast the first stone" victim, either.
You're not saying Tim Rice lied to me??
(Hey--He wrote the "Lion King" lyrics. 'Nuff said.)
Derek Janssen
ejanss@comcast.net
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15 Mar 2006 09:36:47 PM |
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Derek Janssen wrote:
deering24 wrote:
It's 1) the idea of Jesus having sex. With a "fallen" woman, at that,
1-1/2) That people still think Maggie was "fallen" (even though the NT
never once mentions what she did, only that she was "healed"), just
because Medieval clergy had a 15th-century misogynist bug up their hinder,
Actually, in my opinion that was one of the problems with the "Da Vinci
Code." Historically, the church did a lot of misogynistic things, but
identifying Mary Magdalen (erroneously, it turns out) as a prostitute
was actually not one of them at all. She's revered as a great figure
from the Bible and a close friend and follower of Jesus, the church
didn't try and knock her down a peg. The fact that she was
(supposedly) a prostitute was meant to show that even social outcasts
and sinners could repent and be forgiven. Dan Brown got that part of
it exactly wrong.
And while we're on the subject of getting it wrong, when I say "the
church" I should really say "the churches," because there was then and
continues to be Western churches (like the Catholic church and, later
in time, Protestants) and Eastern churches (the largest being Greek
Orthodox). Brown basically acts as if only the Catholic church existed.
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14 Mar 2006 07:32:57 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
Actually Im confused as to how the Da Vinci Code is an attack on Jesus?
Admittedly I haven't finished it yet, but to me it's more an attack (if it
could be called that) on christianity. Is it the whole being mortal and
having a family thing that's so awful?
I read the Da Vinci Code. I found it surprisingly good fun, if you
don't take all that stuff about Jesus and Mary Magdalen seriously. The
characters are paper thin and there are some pretty silly plot points
in there, but by and large it makes for a reasonably entertaining
adventure story in a pulp fiction sort of way. I imagine it will make
a fun movie too, if you don't take their silly "historical" points
seriously.
The difficulty with it is that they include some historical points that
happen to be true (about some of the art, for instance) that a casual
reader might assume that *all* of its "historical" parts are true,
which simply isn't the case. It makes the novel more exciting, and I
imagine Dan Brown goes around saying it's all true as a way of making
people want to buy the book.
For instance, the stuff about the Mona Lisa being a picture of Leonardo
in drag. Somebody put forth that hypothesis about 15 years ago and it
got a lot of ink in various newspapers, but most serious students of
that period in art history think it's pretty bizarre and silly. (I say
this even though I realize Leonardo may well have been gay. Just
because he might have been gay doesn't meant that he was a
transvestite, or even if he was that this particular picture was a
picture of him.)
And of course the central idea of the book, that historians agree that
Jesus married Mary Magdalen and their children became a line of kings
in France is beyond kooky. It makes for a fun book but the trouble is
when people think that this is some kind of historical consesus. Most
historians can't even agree whether Mary Magdalen was even a real
person, for instance, never mind if she was secretly the wife of Jesus
and was the first of a royal lineage in France.
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<zaryzary2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1142386377.903923.222200@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
kathryn wrote:
Actually Im confused as to how the Da Vinci Code is an attack on Jesus?
Admittedly I haven't finished it yet, but to me it's more an attack (if
it
could be called that) on christianity. Is it the whole being mortal and
having a family thing that's so awful?
I read the Da Vinci Code. I found it surprisingly good fun, if you
don't take all that stuff about Jesus and Mary Magdalen seriously. The
characters are paper thin and there are some pretty silly plot points
in there, but by and large it makes for a reasonably entertaining
adventure story in a pulp fiction sort of way. I imagine it will make
a fun movie too, if you don't take their silly "historical" points
seriously.
The difficulty with it is that they include some historical points that
happen to be true (about some of the art, for instance) that a casual
reader might assume that *all* of its "historical" parts are true,
which simply isn't the case. It makes the novel more exciting, and I
imagine Dan Brown goes around saying it's all true as a way of making
people want to buy the book.
For instance, the stuff about the Mona Lisa being a picture of Leonardo
in drag. Somebody put forth that hypothesis about 15 years ago and it
got a lot of ink in various newspapers, but most serious students of
that period in art history think it's pretty bizarre and silly. (I say
this even though I realize Leonardo may well have been gay. Just
because he might have been gay doesn't meant that he was a
transvestite, or even if he was that this particular picture was a
picture of him.)
And of course the central idea of the book, that historians agree that
Jesus married Mary Magdalen and their children became a line of kings
in France is beyond kooky. It makes for a fun book but the trouble is
when people think that this is some kind of historical consesus. Most
historians can't even agree whether Mary Magdalen was even a real
person, for instance, never mind if she was secretly the wife of Jesus
and was the first of a royal lineage in France.
Not everyone agrees that Jesus was a real person (mortal or not) never mind
Mary Magdalen
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15 Mar 2006 09:26:40 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
<zaryzary2003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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And of course the central idea of the book, that historians agree that
Jesus married Mary Magdalen and their children became a line of kings
in France is beyond kooky. It makes for a fun book but the trouble is
when people think that this is some kind of historical consesus. Most
historians can't even agree whether Mary Magdalen was even a real
person, for instance, never mind if she was secretly the wife of Jesus
and was the first of a royal lineage in France.
Not everyone agrees that Jesus was a real person (mortal or not) never mind
Mary Magdalen
That's a good point too. Most historians I've read at least lean
toward the idea that there was an actual historical Jesus (although
exactly what he did or didn't do is obviously a big subject for
debate), but even in that area it's not like there's a consensus.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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16 Mar 2006 03:02:25 AM |
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On 15 Mar 2006 19:26:40 -0800, wrote:
kathryn wrote:
< > wrote in message
news:1142386377.903923.222200@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
And of course the central idea of the book, that historians agree that
Jesus married Mary Magdalen and their children became a line of kings
in France is beyond kooky. It makes for a fun book but the trouble is
when people think that this is some kind of historical consesus. Most
historians can't even agree whether Mary Magdalen was even a real
person, for instance, never mind if she was secretly the wife of Jesus
and was the first of a royal lineage in France.
Not everyone agrees that Jesus was a real person (mortal or not) never mind
Mary Magdalen
That's a good point too. Most historians I've read at least lean
toward the idea that there was an actual historical Jesus (although
exactly what he did or didn't do is obviously a big subject for
debate), but even in that area it's not like there's a consensus.
Most don't even think about it but just take it for granted.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: 2006: A Year Of Savage Media Attacks On Jesus |
14 Mar 2006 11:10:10 AM |
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Attacks against Jesus are all well and good, however if you dare speak
out against the "religion" that's actually causing all the problems
(hint: rhymes with Pislam), every leftwit on Earth suffers twelve heart
attacks.
Sound of Trumpet wrote:
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9270
The Days of Our Lord
By Patrick Hynes
Published 1/13/2006 12:06:47 AM
Year 2004 was a mixed bag for Jesus. While the last day of His life on
earth made for a very successful bio pic at the hands of
producer/director Mel Gibson, he was also the subject of a whole lot of
flogging at the hands of Frank Rich and the gang at the Times. And then
in 2005, the Son of Man faced the ultimate indignity by being quoted
frequently (and just as frequently misquoted) by Democrat National
Chairman Howard Dean. But 2006 is already starting to look like His
worst year since 33 A.D.
The prophets over at High Times ask in this month's issue, "Was Jesus a
Stoner?" How else can you explain the fact that he healed all those
people? Using an extract from cannabis called kaneh-bosem, we are led
to believe, Jesus presumably brought little girls back to life and
cured blindness. This leaves open the question why kaneh-bosem ever
went out of style or why other would-be Messiahs didn't catch on to
Rabbi Feelgood's Magic Formula. But the real kicker is that the author
of the article, one Chris Bennet, claims that those who persecute
marijuana users are, in light of this new discovery, the antichrist.
Viewers of NBC's The Book of Daniel might be forgiven for believing
Jesus was doing a little something more than just casting our demons
with the weed. The clever writers of that offensive little cultural
blight decided to cast Jesus as a hippie-ish dude who fluffs off the
sexual peccadilloes of one character by saying, "He's a kid, let him be
a kid," and who appears completely untroubled by evil or sin in the
world.
Hold on. It gets better.
The biggest Hollywood blockbuster in 2006 will surely be Ron Howard's
The Da Vinci Code, the cinematic adaptation of Dan Brown's wildly
successful novel, which posits that Jesus of Nazareth wasn't so much
the Savior of all mankind from sin, but rather a spiritual Jew who
married this chick named Mary Magdalene and whose great, great, great,
great, great grandkids set up the Merovingian dynasty in Dark Ages
France. Oh yeah, and the Catholic Church has used murder and
intimidation to cover up this marriage for almost two thousand years.
But all of these folks may have a big problem on their hands. You see,
an Italian court will soon decide once and for all if Jesus of Nazareth
ever even really existed or whether he was a collective figment of
early Christians' imagination. A Signor Luigi Cascioli is suing Father
Enrico Righi for "abusing popular credulity" by denouncing in the
church bulletin Signor Cascioli's assertions that Jesus never was. In
order to dodge his legal bullet, Father Righi is going to have to prove
a Jesus in fact lived in first century Palestine. And the Gospels don't
count because they have largely been misinterpreted, don't you know.
The very fact that the court has taken up the case -- a case it had
originally refused to hear but flipped when the original decision was
appealed -- tells us in advance what the decision is likely to be.
Ah, Jesus. A pot-smoking hippie who married Mary and never really
existed at all. The same yesterday, today, and forever.
Patrick Hynes is the proprietor of Ankle Biting Pundits and The Channel
Changer. He is writing a book on the Religious Right for Nelson
Current.
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| User: "kathryn" |
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14 Mar 2006 12:03:01 PM |
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<omarenoryt@aol.com> wrote in message
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Attacks against Jesus are all well and good, however if you dare speak
out against the "religion" that's actually causing all the problems
(hint: rhymes with Pislam), every leftwit on Earth suffers twelve heart
attacks.
What was it Churchill said about fanatics?
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| User: "Derek Janssen" |
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14 Mar 2006 12:34:43 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
What was it Churchill said about fanatics?
....What, the bit about "having forgotten their original goal"?
Derek Janssen (and shouldn't we be hearing about more posts about
"Christian celebrities" at this point?)
ejanss@comcast.net
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| User: "kathryn" |
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14 Mar 2006 12:54:15 PM |
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"Derek Janssen" <ejanss@nospam.comcast.net> wrote in message
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kathryn wrote:
What was it Churchill said about fanatics?
...What, the bit about "having forgotten their original goal"?
Derek Janssen (and shouldn't we be hearing about more posts about
"Christian celebrities" at this point?)
ejanss@comcast.net
nah the bit about not "changing the subject"
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| User: "Derek Janssen" |
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| Title: Re: 2006: A Year Of Savage Media Attacks On Jesus |
14 Mar 2006 03:02:15 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
kathryn wrote:
What was it Churchill said about fanatics?
...What, the bit about "having forgotten their original goal"?
(and shouldn't we be hearing about more posts about
"Christian celebrities" at this point?)
nah the bit about not "changing the subject"
Oh, well, what's Churchill's then, if not "A fanatic is one who
redoubles his efforts after he has forgotten his original goal"?
Derek Janssen (too lazy to look up Bartletts.com)
ejanss@comcast.net
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