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"Sound of Trumpet" |
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16 Sep 2007 03:32:45 PM |
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2007: The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died |
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
It took some forty years to unmask the Piltdown Man hoax that began in
1912 alleging that the skull of an ancient ancestor of man had been
found in England. Any number of British anthropologists unwittingly
contributed to the hoax by confirming the authenticity of the skull
until it was found that the jaw of an orangutan had been cunningly
attached. The unmasking of "global warming" has taken well under than
half that time.
The hoax has mainly been a creation of the United Nations
Environmental Program and took off in earnest with the 1992 Earth
Summit. It culminated in 1997 with the Kyoto Climate Control Protocol,
an agreement to reduce the generation of carbon dioxide, a
"greenhouse" gas (CO2) said to be the cause of an accelerated warming
of the earth. By 2005, 140 nations had ratified the pact, agreeing to
reduce CO2 emissions. Notably exempt from the pact were nations such
as China and India. Few, if any, nations have ever met the limits that
require reductions in CO2 production, primarily the result of the use
of so-called "fossil fuels" such as oil, natural gas, and coal.
The United States refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and, at one
point, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution rejecting it.
This has not kept the U.S. from spending billions on so-called
"climate research" intended to address climate change with the aim of
reducing or capturing CO2 emissions. Had that money been devoted to
maintenance of the nation's infrastructure, tragic events such as the
collapse of the Minnesota bridge over the Mississippi might have been
averted.
In August, it was revealed that NASA scientists had corrected an error
that resulted in 1934 replacing 1998 as the warmest year on record in
the U.S. Repeatedly the data put forth to justify the global warming
hoax has been debunked.
As Dr. David Wojick recently noted, "The real significance is that
such a small correction can make such a big difference. The reason is
that the much touted warming of the last three decades is merely a
return to earlier warm times, after an equally long period of cooling...
There is no way this pattern constitutes a warming trend...In short,
there is no evidence for human-induced global warming in the U.S.
temperature record."
"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared
astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing a new study that has been
accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research
authored by a Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. A
former Harvard physicist, Dr. Lubos Motl, said the new study has
reduced global warming fear-mongers to "playing the children's game to
scare each other."
The new research concludes that the Earth's climate is only about one-
third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as a series of reports by the
UN's International Panel on Climate Change has asserted for years. The
IPCC reports have been increasingly dismissed as deliberate
distortions of data that amount to little more than propaganda to
advance the "global warming" hoax.
Having testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment &
Public Works, paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter noted in a June 18,
2007 essay that global warming has stopped. There has been little, if
any, global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2
has increased by 17 percent. Thus, the connection between CO2 and
"global warming", the key to the claims that it is occurring and will
increase has been proven wrong.
Prior to and during 2007, one research study after another revealed
that the central premise of "global warming" lacks any scientific
merit. One by Dr. Tim Patterson concluded that, "The earth temperature
does respond to the solar cycle as confirmed by numerous studies." The
solar cycle is known to be about eleven years in length and reflects
increased or decreased sunspot (magnetic storms) activity. It is the
Sun that largely determines the Earth's temperature, which is never
the same throughout the planet, given seasonal and solar changes.
In 2007, meteorologist Anthony Watts who led a team of researchers
revealed that, "The U.S. National Climate Data Center is in the middle
of a scandal. Their global observing network, the heart and soul of
surface weather measurement, is a disaster." It had been discovered
that many of the measuring stations were placed in locations such as
on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels, beside heat exhaust
vents, and even attached to hot chimneys and above outdoor grills!
In May 2007, Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department
of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin dismissed fears of
increased man-made CO2 in the atmosphere. He called the "global
warming" argument "absurd." As to any increase in the Earth's
temperature, he said, "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since
the early 1800s, before the industrial Revolution, because we're
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting carbon
dioxide in the air."
On August 15, 2007, meteorologist Joseph D'Aleo, the first Director of
Meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chairman of the American
Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and
Forecasting, said, "If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our
annual anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 contribution today would be
equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."
When Newsweek magazine recently devoted a cover story calling the
growing international body of scientists debunking global warming
"deniers", it was forced to debunk itself when one of its own editors
called the article "highly contrived" and "fundamentally misleading."
Thus, it will be people like former Vice President Al Gore or actor
Leonardo DiCaprio, whose reputations are now heavily invested in the
"global warming" hoax, who will continue to fight a rear-guard action.
The mainstream media is likely to be supportive until it too is forced
to admit the truth of the science regarding the Earth's climate.
There will be dying gasps to this hoax, not the least of which is a
planned $100 million media blitz by Al Gore's Alliance for Climate
Protection, but the public is already far more concerned about
instability in the Middle East, the forthcoming national elections,
and shocks to the U.S. economy to accord such an effort much
credibility.
Hoaxes have a life of their own and "global warming" is now coming to
an end. Mark 2007 as the year it began to seriously bleed to death.
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16 Sep 2007 08:27:30 PM |
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On Sep 16, 7:47 pm, 3783 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:03:46 -0700, Michael Ejercito
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What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Ask a polar bear.
If you can find one; they're becoming extinct.
Medusa
AA #2281
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| User: "Talk-n-Dog" |
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16 Sep 2007 08:35:55 PM |
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Medusa wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:47 pm, 3783 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:03:46 -0700, Michael Ejercito
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What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Ask a polar bear.
If you can find one; they're becoming extinct.
Medusa
AA #2281
If only we had been around to save the Dinosaurs too.
--
http://OutSourcedNews.com
I suppose I could buy meteor insurance too, to help rebuild on that
impact crater, destined to be where my house is.
Our constitution protects criminals, sexual deviants and U.S. Senators.
Which at times are, one and the same...
The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of ***** to ruin the
whole thing. - Gump That -
How to outsmart Global Warming -- Plant your corn when the oak leaves
are as big as a squirrels ear.
I'll check the "Consensus Reference Guide" to see if it's a listed
consensus.
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17 Sep 2007 09:14:16 PM |
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Talk-n-Dog wrote:
Medusa wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:47 pm, 3783 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:03:46 -0700, Michael Ejercito
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What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Ask a polar bear.
If you can find one; they're becoming extinct.
Medusa
AA #2281
If only we had been around to save the Dinosaurs too.
Except, of course, it wasn't something humans did that killed them
off.
--
http://OutSourcedNews.com
I suppose I could buy meteor insurance too, to help rebuild on that
impact crater, destined to be where my house is.
Our constitution protects criminals, sexual deviants and U.S. Senators.
Which at times are, one and the same...
The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of ***** to ruin the
whole thing.
And the little dab of ***** is what?
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/pastcc_fig1.html
Huh. Looks like the CO2 concentrations are now over 80 ppm higher
than they been in the last, oh, 650,000 years. I can't imagine what
could have changed during that time. Oh, well, I'm sure they'll start
dropping eventually.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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18 Sep 2007 08:56:27 AM |
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On Sep 17, 7:14 pm, JessHC <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
Talk-n-Dog wrote:
Medusa wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:47 pm, 3783 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:03:46 -0700, Michael Ejercito
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What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Ask a polar bear.
If you can find one; they're becoming extinct.
Medusa
AA #2281
If only we had been around to save the Dinosaurs too.
Except, of course, it wasn't something humans did that killed them
off.
--
http://OutSourcedNews.com
I suppose I could buy meteor insurance too, to help rebuild on that
impact crater, destined to be where my house is.
Our constitution protects criminals, sexual deviants and U.S. Senators.
Which at times are, one and the same...
The problem with the global warming theory, is that a theory is like a
bowl of ice-cream, it only takes a little dab of ***** to ruin the
whole thing.
And the little dab of ***** is what?
http://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/pastcc_fig1.html
Huh. Looks like the CO2 concentrations are now over 80 ppm higher
than they been in the last, oh, 650,000 years. I can't imagine what
could have changed during that time. Oh, well, I'm sure they'll start
dropping eventually.
More people breathing?
Michael
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| User: "Short_Bus_Driver" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
18 Sep 2007 11:51:28 AM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 17, 7:14 pm, JessHC <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
Talk-n-Dog wrote:
Medusa wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:47 pm, 3783 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:03:46 -0700, Michael Ejercito
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Huh. Looks like the CO2 concentrations are now over 80 ppm higher
than they been in the last, oh, 650,000 years. I can't imagine what
could have changed during that time. Oh, well, I'm sure they'll start
dropping eventually.
More people breathing?
The dinosaurs had big lungs, did they kill themselves?
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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18 Sep 2007 05:38:44 PM |
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On Sep 18, 9:51 am, Short_Bus_Driver <Climb_Abo...@Talk-n-Dog.com>
wrote:
Michael Ejercitowrote:
On Sep 17, 7:14 pm, JessHC <jes...@phantomemail.com> wrote:
Talk-n-Dog wrote:
Medusa wrote:
On Sep 16, 7:47 pm, 3783 Dead <zepp22113...@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:03:46 -0700,Michael Ejercito
..
Huh. Looks like the CO2 concentrations are now over 80 ppm higher
than they been in the last, oh, 650,000 years. I can't imagine what
could have changed during that time. Oh, well, I'm sure they'll start
dropping eventually.
More people breathing?
The dinosaurs had big lungs, did they kill themselves?
Evidence suggests that it was a huge rock that fell from space.
Michael
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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16 Sep 2007 08:25:20 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:47:49 -0700, 3783 Dead
<zepp22113783@finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:03:46 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 16, 2:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Ask a polar bear.
Or the Dutch.
--
Yang
a.a.#28
"I can hardly wait for your head to explode when the Repubs hold onto
both houses of Congress this November. And Yang can quote me on that."
-Fred Stone, 6/14/2006
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| User: "Medusa" |
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16 Sep 2007 08:23:59 PM |
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On Sep 16, 4:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
Bitter, sardonic laughter over this post about the now opened
Northwest Passage.
It would be very funny, except it isn't.
We need a Tom Lehrer to write a song about this, in the vien of his
"We'll All Fry Together When We Fry."
Nuclear war is not funny, and neither is global warming, but we need
some "gallows humor" about it.
I think Lehrer quit writing political songs after Henry Kissinger
received a Nobel Peace Prize; he said, after that, nobody could write
a song as ironic.
Medusa
AA #2281
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| User: "scooter" |
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16 Sep 2007 03:38:50 PM |
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On Sep 16, 3:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
It took some forty years to unmask the Piltdown Man hoax that began in
1912 alleging that the skull of an ancient ancestor of man had been
found in England. Any number of British anthropologists unwittingly
contributed to the hoax by confirming the authenticity of the skull
until it was found that the jaw of an orangutan had been cunningly
attached. The unmasking of "global warming" has taken well under than
half that time.
The hoax has mainly been a creation of the United Nations
Environmental Program and took off in earnest with the 1992 Earth
Summit. It culminated in 1997 with the Kyoto Climate Control Protocol,
an agreement to reduce the generation of carbon dioxide, a
"greenhouse" gas (CO2) said to be the cause of an accelerated warming
of the earth. By 2005, 140 nations had ratified the pact, agreeing to
reduce CO2 emissions. Notably exempt from the pact were nations such
as China and India. Few, if any, nations have ever met the limits that
require reductions in CO2 production, primarily the result of the use
of so-called "fossil fuels" such as oil, natural gas, and coal.
The United States refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and, at one
point, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution rejecting it.
This has not kept the U.S. from spending billions on so-called
"climate research" intended to address climate change with the aim of
reducing or capturing CO2 emissions. Had that money been devoted to
maintenance of the nation's infrastructure, tragic events such as the
collapse of the Minnesota bridge over the Mississippi might have been
averted.
In August, it was revealed that NASA scientists had corrected an error
that resulted in 1934 replacing 1998 as the warmest year on record in
the U.S. Repeatedly the data put forth to justify the global warming
hoax has been debunked.
As Dr. David Wojick recently noted, "The real significance is that
such a small correction can make such a big difference. The reason is
that the much touted warming of the last three decades is merely a
return to earlier warm times, after an equally long period of cooling...
There is no way this pattern constitutes a warming trend...In short,
there is no evidence for human-induced global warming in the U.S.
temperature record."
"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared
astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing a new study that has been
accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research
authored by a Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. A
former Harvard physicist, Dr. Lubos Motl, said the new study has
reduced global warming fear-mongers to "playing the children's game to
scare each other."
The new research concludes that the Earth's climate is only about one-
third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as a series of reports by the
UN's International Panel on Climate Change has asserted for years. The
IPCC reports have been increasingly dismissed as deliberate
distortions of data that amount to little more than propaganda to
advance the "global warming" hoax.
Having testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment &
Public Works, paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter noted in a June 18,
2007 essay that global warming has stopped. There has been little, if
any, global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2
has increased by 17 percent. Thus, the connection between CO2 and
"global warming", the key to the claims that it is occurring and will
increase has been proven wrong.
Prior to and during 2007, one research study after another revealed
that the central premise of "global warming" lacks any scientific
merit. One by Dr. Tim Patterson concluded that, "The earth temperature
does respond to the solar cycle as confirmed by numerous studies." The
solar cycle is known to be about eleven years in length and reflects
increased or decreased sunspot (magnetic storms) activity. It is the
Sun that largely determines the Earth's temperature, which is never
the same throughout the planet, given seasonal and solar changes.
In 2007, meteorologist Anthony Watts who led a team of researchers
revealed that, "The U.S. National Climate Data Center is in the middle
of a scandal. Their global observing network, the heart and soul of
surface weather measurement, is a disaster." It had been discovered
that many of the measuring stations were placed in locations such as
on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels, beside heat exhaust
vents, and even attached to hot chimneys and above outdoor grills!
In May 2007, Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department
of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin dismissed fears of
increased man-made CO2 in the atmosphere. He called the "global
warming" argument "absurd." As to any increase in the Earth's
temperature, he said, "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since
the early 1800s, before the industrial Revolution, because we're
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting carbon
dioxide in the air."
On August 15, 2007, meteorologist Joseph D'Aleo, the first Director of
Meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chairman of the American
Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and
Forecasting, said, "If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our
annual anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 contribution today would be
equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."
When Newsweek magazine recently devoted a cover story calling the
growing international body of scientists debunking global warming
"deniers", it was forced to debunk itself when one of its own editors
called the article "highly contrived" and "fundamentally misleading."
Thus, it will be people like former Vice President Al Gore or actor
Leonardo DiCaprio, whose reputations are now heavily invested in the
"global warming" hoax, who will continue to fight a rear-guard action.
The mainstream media is likely to be supportive until it too is forced
to admit the truth of the science regarding the Earth's climate.
There will be dying gasps to this hoax, not the least of which is a
planned $100 million media blitz by Al Gore's Alliance for Climate
Protection, but the public is already far more concerned about
instability in the Middle East, the forthcoming national elections,
and shocks to the U.S. economy to accord such an effort much
credibility.
Hoaxes have a life of their own and "global warming" is now coming to
an end. Mark 2007 as the year it began to seriously bleed to death.
Hey, Sound of Dumbass, the resurrection was debunked a long time ago.
Why do you still believe in it?
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| User: "BushRuinsTheWorldandtheUSA" |
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16 Sep 2007 04:03:24 PM |
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On Sep 16, 1:38 pm, scooter <scooter.l...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 16, 3:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
It took some forty years to unmask the Piltdown Man hoax that began in
1912 alleging that the skull of an ancient ancestor of man had been
found in England. Any number of British anthropologists unwittingly
contributed to the hoax by confirming the authenticity of the skull
until it was found that the jaw of an orangutan had been cunningly
attached. The unmasking of "global warming" has taken well under than
half that time.
The hoax has mainly been a creation of the United Nations
Environmental Program and took off in earnest with the 1992 Earth
Summit. It culminated in 1997 with the Kyoto Climate Control Protocol,
an agreement to reduce the generation of carbon dioxide, a
"greenhouse" gas (CO2) said to be the cause of an accelerated warming
of the earth. By 2005, 140 nations had ratified the pact, agreeing to
reduce CO2 emissions. Notably exempt from the pact were nations such
as China and India. Few, if any, nations have ever met the limits that
require reductions in CO2 production, primarily the result of the use
of so-called "fossil fuels" such as oil, natural gas, and coal.
The United States refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and, at one
point, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution rejecting it.
This has not kept the U.S. from spending billions on so-called
"climate research" intended to address climate change with the aim of
reducing or capturing CO2 emissions. Had that money been devoted to
maintenance of the nation's infrastructure, tragic events such as the
collapse of the Minnesota bridge over the Mississippi might have been
averted.
In August, it was revealed that NASA scientists had corrected an error
that resulted in 1934 replacing 1998 as the warmest year on record in
the U.S. Repeatedly the data put forth to justify the global warming
hoax has been debunked.
As Dr. David Wojick recently noted, "The real significance is that
such a small correction can make such a big difference. The reason is
that the much touted warming of the last three decades is merely a
return to earlier warm times, after an equally long period of cooling...
There is no way this pattern constitutes a warming trend...In short,
there is no evidence for human-induced global warming in the U.S.
temperature record."
"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared
astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing a new study that has been
accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research
authored by a Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. A
former Harvard physicist, Dr. Lubos Motl, said the new study has
reduced global warming fear-mongers to "playing the children's game to
scare each other."
The new research concludes that the Earth's climate is only about one-
third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as a series of reports by the
UN's International Panel on Climate Change has asserted for years. The
IPCC reports have been increasingly dismissed as deliberate
distortions of data that amount to little more than propaganda to
advance the "global warming" hoax.
Having testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment &
Public Works, paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter noted in a June 18,
2007 essay that global warming has stopped. There has been little, if
any, global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2
has increased by 17 percent. Thus, the connection between CO2 and
"global warming", the key to the claims that it is occurring and will
increase has been proven wrong.
Prior to and during 2007, one research study after another revealed
that the central premise of "global warming" lacks any scientific
merit. One by Dr. Tim Patterson concluded that, "The earth temperature
does respond to the solar cycle as confirmed by numerous studies." The
solar cycle is known to be about eleven years in length and reflects
increased or decreased sunspot (magnetic storms) activity. It is the
Sun that largely determines the Earth's temperature, which is never
the same throughout the planet, given seasonal and solar changes.
In 2007, meteorologist Anthony Watts who led a team of researchers
revealed that, "The U.S. National Climate Data Center is in the middle
of a scandal. Their global observing network, the heart and soul of
surface weather measurement, is a disaster." It had been discovered
that many of the measuring stations were placed in locations such as
on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels, beside heat exhaust
vents, and even attached to hot chimneys and above outdoor grills!
In May 2007, Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department
of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin dismissed fears of
increased man-made CO2 in the atmosphere. He called the "global
warming" argument "absurd." As to any increase in the Earth's
temperature, he said, "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since
the early 1800s, before the industrial Revolution, because we're
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting carbon
dioxide in the air."
On August 15, 2007, meteorologist Joseph D'Aleo, the first Director of
Meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chairman of the American
Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and
Forecasting, said, "If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our
annual anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 contribution today would be
equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."
When Newsweek magazine recently devoted a cover story calling the
growing international body of scientists debunking global warming
"deniers", it was forced to debunk itself when one of its own editors
called the article "highly contrived" and "fundamentally misleading."
Thus, it will be people like former Vice President Al Gore or actor
Leonardo DiCaprio, whose reputations are now heavily invested in the
"global warming" hoax, who will continue to fight a rear-guard action.
The mainstream media is likely to be supportive until it too is forced
to admit the truth of the science regarding the Earth's climate.
There will be dying gasps to this hoax, not the least of which is a
planned $100 million media blitz by Al Gore's Alliance for Climate
Protection, but the public is already far more concerned about
instability in the Middle East, the forthcoming national elections,
and shocks to the U.S. economy to accord such an effort much
credibility.
Hoaxes have a life of their own and "global warming" is now coming to
an end. Mark 2007 as the year it began to seriously bleed to death.
Hey, Sound of Dumbass, the resurrection was debunked a long time ago.
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2007 the year the fake christian rapist god died forever
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On Sep 16, 3:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
It took some forty years to unmask the Piltdown Man hoax that began in
1912 alleging that the skull of an ancient ancestor of man had been
found in England. Any number of British anthropologists unwittingly
contributed to the hoax by confirming the authenticity of the skull
until it was found that the jaw of an orangutan had been cunningly
attached. The unmasking of "global warming" has taken well under than
half that time.
The hoax has mainly been a creation of the United Nations
Environmental Program and took off in earnest with the 1992 Earth
Summit. It culminated in 1997 with the Kyoto Climate Control Protocol,
an agreement to reduce the generation of carbon dioxide, a
"greenhouse" gas (CO2) said to be the cause of an accelerated warming
of the earth. By 2005, 140 nations had ratified the pact, agreeing to
reduce CO2 emissions. Notably exempt from the pact were nations such
as China and India. Few, if any, nations have ever met the limits that
require reductions in CO2 production, primarily the result of the use
of so-called "fossil fuels" such as oil, natural gas, and coal.
The United States refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and, at one
point, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution rejecting it.
This has not kept the U.S. from spending billions on so-called
"climate research" intended to address climate change with the aim of
reducing or capturing CO2 emissions. Had that money been devoted to
maintenance of the nation's infrastructure, tragic events such as the
collapse of the Minnesota bridge over the Mississippi might have been
averted.
In August, it was revealed that NASA scientists had corrected an error
that resulted in 1934 replacing 1998 as the warmest year on record in
the U.S. Repeatedly the data put forth to justify the global warming
hoax has been debunked.
As Dr. David Wojick recently noted, "The real significance is that
such a small correction can make such a big difference. The reason is
that the much touted warming of the last three decades is merely a
return to earlier warm times, after an equally long period of cooling...
There is no way this pattern constitutes a warming trend...In short,
there is no evidence for human-induced global warming in the U.S.
temperature record."
"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared
astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing a new study that has been
accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research
authored by a Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. A
former Harvard physicist, Dr. Lubos Motl, said the new study has
reduced global warming fear-mongers to "playing the children's game to
scare each other."
The new research concludes that the Earth's climate is only about one-
third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as a series of reports by the
UN's International Panel on Climate Change has asserted for years. The
IPCC reports have been increasingly dismissed as deliberate
distortions of data that amount to little more than propaganda to
advance the "global warming" hoax.
Having testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment &
Public Works, paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter noted in a June 18,
2007 essay that global warming has stopped. There has been little, if
any, global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2
has increased by 17 percent. Thus, the connection between CO2 and
"global warming", the key to the claims that it is occurring and will
increase has been proven wrong.
Prior to and during 2007, one research study after another revealed
that the central premise of "global warming" lacks any scientific
merit. One by Dr. Tim Patterson concluded that, "The earth temperature
does respond to the solar cycle as confirmed by numerous studies." The
solar cycle is known to be about eleven years in length and reflects
increased or decreased sunspot (magnetic storms) activity. It is the
Sun that largely determines the Earth's temperature, which is never
the same throughout the planet, given seasonal and solar changes.
In 2007, meteorologist Anthony Watts who led a team of researchers
revealed that, "The U.S. National Climate Data Center is in the middle
of a scandal. Their global observing network, the heart and soul of
surface weather measurement, is a disaster." It had been discovered
that many of the measuring stations were placed in locations such as
on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels, beside heat exhaust
vents, and even attached to hot chimneys and above outdoor grills!
In May 2007, Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department
of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin dismissed fears of
increased man-made CO2 in the atmosphere. He called the "global
warming" argument "absurd." As to any increase in the Earth's
temperature, he said, "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since
the early 1800s, before the industrial Revolution, because we're
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting carbon
dioxide in the air."
On August 15, 2007, meteorologist Joseph D'Aleo, the first Director of
Meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chairman of the American
Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and
Forecasting, said, "If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our
annual anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 contribution today would be
equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."
When Newsweek magazine recently devoted a cover story calling the
growing international body of scientists debunking global warming
"deniers", it was forced to debunk itself when one of its own editors
called the article "highly contrived" and "fundamentally misleading."
Thus, it will be people like former Vice President Al Gore or actor
Leonardo DiCaprio, whose reputations are now heavily invested in the
"global warming" hoax, who will continue to fight a rear-guard action.
The mainstream media is likely to be supportive until it too is forced
to admit the truth of the science regarding the Earth's climate.
There will be dying gasps to this hoax, not the least of which is a
planned $100 million media blitz by Al Gore's Alliance for Climate
Protection, but the public is already far more concerned about
instability in the Middle East, the forthcoming national elections,
and shocks to the U.S. economy to accord such an effort much
credibility.
Hoaxes have a life of their own and "global warming" is now coming to
an end. Mark 2007 as the year it began to seriously bleed to death.
This coming from a guy who, absent a single shred of evidence, thinks
an invisable SkyDaddy is watching over him.
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16 Sep 2007 04:10:50 PM |
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On Sep 16, 3:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
I WISH it were a hoax. . .
Unfortunaely, this is not a very reliable source.
Medusa
AA #2281
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17 Sep 2007 07:59:58 PM |
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On Sep 16, 3:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. [...]
Yeah the Northwest passage is an illusion, and Jesus is going to
appear in the sky any day now.
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17 Sep 2007 12:56:31 PM |
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On Sep 16, 4:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
Oh you just know this is going to be good. How long before it's
blamed on socialism?
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007.
The National Academy of Sciences, AAAS, AGU, IPCC, Royal Society, EPA,
NASA, NOAA, WMO, and real scientists must not be on your mailing list.
It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
OK, tell us what scientific journals this "avalanche" is in.
It took some forty years to unmask the Piltdown Man hoax that began in
1912 alleging that the skull of an ancient ancestor of man had been
found in England. Any number of British anthropologists unwittingly
contributed to the hoax by confirming the authenticity of the skull
until it was found that the jaw of an orangutan had been cunningly
attached. The unmasking of "global warming" has taken well under than
half that time.
The hoax has mainly been a creation of the United Nations
Environmental Program and took off in earnest with the 1992 Earth
Summit. It culminated in 1997 with the Kyoto Climate Control Protocol,
an agreement to reduce the generation of carbon dioxide, a
"greenhouse" gas (CO2) said to be the cause of an accelerated warming
of the earth. By 2005, 140 nations had ratified the pact, agreeing to
reduce CO2 emissions. Notably exempt from the pact were nations such
as China and India. Few, if any, nations have ever met the limits that
require reductions in CO2 production, primarily the result of the use
of so-called "fossil fuels" such as oil, natural gas, and coal.
The United States refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and, at one
point, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution rejecting it.
This has not kept the U.S. from spending billions on so-called
"climate research" intended to address climate change with the aim of
reducing or capturing CO2 emissions. Had that money been devoted to
maintenance of the nation's infrastructure, tragic events such as the
collapse of the Minnesota bridge over the Mississippi might have been
averted.
In August, it was revealed that NASA scientists had corrected an error
that resulted in 1934 replacing 1998 as the warmest year on record in
the U.S. Repeatedly the data put forth to justify the global warming
hoax has been debunked.
But not globally.
As Dr. David Wojick recently noted, "The real significance is that
such a small correction can make such a big difference. The reason is
that the much touted warming of the last three decades is merely a
return to earlier warm times, after an equally long period of cooling...
There is no way this pattern constitutes a warming trend...In short,
there is no evidence for human-induced global warming in the U.S.
temperature record."
Lie.
"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared
astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing a new study that has been
accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research
authored by a Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. A
former Harvard physicist, Dr. Lubos Motl, said the new study has
reduced global warming fear-mongers to "playing the children's game to
scare each other."
Yeah, sure.
The new research concludes that the Earth's climate is only about one-
third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as a series of reports by the
UN's International Panel on Climate Change has asserted for years. The
IPCC reports have been increasingly dismissed as deliberate
distortions of data that amount to little more than propaganda to
advance the "global warming" hoax.
Well, you'd know about propaganda.
Having testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment &
Public Works, paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter noted in a June 18,
2007 essay that global warming has stopped.
And atoms no longer exist.
There has been little, if
any, global warming since 1979,
Flat-out lie.
a period over which atmospheric CO2
has increased by 17 percent. Thus, the connection between CO2 and
"global warming", the key to the claims that it is occurring and will
increase has been proven wrong.
And the earth has been proven flat.
Prior to and during 2007, one research study after another revealed
that the central premise of "global warming" lacks any scientific
merit. One by Dr. Tim Patterson concluded that, "The earth temperature
does respond to the solar cycle as confirmed by numerous studies." The
solar cycle is known to be about eleven years in length and reflects
increased or decreased sunspot (magnetic storms) activity. It is the
Sun that largely determines the Earth's temperature, which is never
the same throughout the planet, given seasonal and solar changes.
An 11-year cycle cannot explain a 120-year warming.
In 2007, meteorologist Anthony Watts who led a team of researchers
revealed that, "The U.S. National Climate Data Center is in the middle
of a scandal. Their global observing network, the heart and soul of
surface weather measurement, is a disaster." It had been discovered
that many of the measuring stations were placed in locations such as
on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels, beside heat exhaust
vents, and even attached to hot chimneys and above outdoor grills!
"Many"? Hardly.
In May 2007, Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department
of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin dismissed fears of
increased man-made CO2 in the atmosphere. He called the "global
warming" argument "absurd." As to any increase in the Earth's
temperature, he said, "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since
the early 1800s, before the industrial Revolution, because we're
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting carbon
dioxide in the air."
So the laws of physics have been repealed?
On August 15, 2007, meteorologist Joseph D'Aleo, the first Director of
Meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chairman of the American
Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and
Forecasting, said, "If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our
annual anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 contribution today would be
equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."
When Newsweek magazine recently devoted a cover story calling the
growing international body of scientists debunking global warming
"deniers", it was forced to debunk itself when one of its own editors
called the article "highly contrived" and "fundamentally misleading."
You are lying. It was a columnist, giving his opinion.
Thus, it will be people like former Vice President Al Gore or actor
Leonardo DiCaprio, whose reputations are now heavily invested in the
"global warming" hoax, who will continue to fight a rear-guard action.
The mainstream media is likely to be supportive until it too is forced
to admit the truth of the science regarding the Earth's climate.
There will be dying gasps to this hoax, not the least of which is a
planned $100 million media blitz by Al Gore's Alliance for Climate
Protection, but the public is already far more concerned about
instability in the Middle East, the forthcoming national elections,
and shocks to the U.S. economy to accord such an effort much
credibility.
Hoaxes have a life of their own and "global warming" is now coming to
an end. Mark 2007 as the year it began to seriously bleed to death.
"A dwindling group ... a small minority which is seeking to
deliberately confuse the public on the causes of climate change. They
are often misrepresenting the science, when the reality is that the
evidence is getting stronger every day" -- Royal Society
Wanna know what the National Academy of Sciences says about idiots
like you?
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17 Sep 2007 07:50:49 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:56:31 -0700, Lloyd <lparker@emory.edu> wrote:
On Sep 16, 4:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
OK, tell us what scientific journals this "avalanche" is in.
The DI Journal? The ICR Newsletter? Morons' Digest?
Prior to and during 2007, one research study after another revealed
that the central premise of "global warming" lacks any scientific
merit. One by Dr. Tim Patterson concluded that, "The earth temperature
does respond to the solar cycle as confirmed by numerous studies." The
solar cycle is known to be about eleven years in length and reflects
increased or decreased sunspot (magnetic storms) activity. It is the
Sun that largely determines the Earth's temperature, which is never
the same throughout the planet, given seasonal and solar changes.
An 11-year cycle cannot explain a 120-year warming.
And anyone who doesn't know that the 11 year cycle rides on a much
longer cycle doesn't know anything about the sunspot cycle, so his
conclusions can't be worth anything.
In May 2007, Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department
of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin dismissed fears of
increased man-made CO2 in the atmosphere. He called the "global
warming" argument "absurd." As to any increase in the Earth's
temperature, he said, "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since
the early 1800s, before the industrial Revolution, because we're
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting carbon
dioxide in the air."
So the laws of physics have been repealed?
Another "expert: who didn't do his homework. We came out of the
Little Ice Age a long time ago.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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17 Sep 2007 03:55:23 PM |
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On Sep 17, 1:56 pm, Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
On Sep 16, 4:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
Oh you just know this is going to be good. How long before it's
blamed on socialism?
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007.
The National Academy of Sciences, AAAS, AGU, IPCC, Royal Society, EPA,
NASA, NOAA, WMO, and real scientists must not be on your mailing list.
Worthless collection of left-wing pencil dicks.
When they come up with something other than 'more oppressive
government' as a solution to their co2 issue, they might impress
somebody other than lunatics like yourself, Tturd Packer.
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17 Sep 2007 04:04:30 PM |
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On Sep 17, 1:55 pm, mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 1:56 pm, Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
On Sep 16, 4:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
Oh you just know this is going to be good. How long before it's
blamed on socialism?
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007.
The National Academy of Sciences, AAAS, AGU, IPCC, Royal Society, EPA,
NASA, NOAA, WMO, and real scientists must not be on your mailing list.
Worthless collection of left-wing pencil dicks.
When they come up with something other than 'more oppressive
government' as a solution to their co2 issue, they might impress
somebody other than lunatics like yourself, Tturd Packer.- Hide quoted text -
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Wow you communicate with such skill, such talent used to type replies
of nothingness, what a shame..
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17 Sep 2007 04:23:29 PM |
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On Sep 17, 5:04 pm, columbiaaccidentinvestigation
<columbiaaccidentinvestigat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 1:55 pm, mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 1:56 pm, Lloyd <lpar...@emory.edu> wrote:
On Sep 16, 4:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
Oh you just know this is going to be good. How long before it's
blamed on socialism?
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007.
The National Academy of Sciences, AAAS, AGU, IPCC, Royal Society, EPA,
NASA, NOAA, WMO, and real scientists must not be on your mailing list.
Worthless collection of left-wing pencil dicks.
When they come up with something other than 'more oppressive
government' as a solution to their co2 issue, they might impress
somebody other than lunatics like yourself, Tturd Packer.- Hide quoted text -
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Wow [bore-***** tripe snipped]
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government, tard.
Keep it short and non-boring if you can.
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18 Sep 2007 12:11:47 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u <mrbawana2u@gmail.com>
wrote:
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course that
won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
Or we could simply prove that there's no warming, so nothing needs to
be done. Have a ball.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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18 Sep 2007 05:40:46 PM |
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On Sep 18, 10:11 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course that
won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
You seem to imply that the threat of violence is needed to deal
with global warming.
Michael
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| User: "Geoff" |
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19 Sep 2007 10:14:01 AM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:11 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course
that won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
You seem to imply that the threat of violence is needed to deal
with global warming.
Violence? Al doesn't live in Bolivia. Government force does not imply
violence.
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| User: "Bill Ward" |
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19 Sep 2007 11:59:53 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:14:01 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:11 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course that
won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
You seem to imply that the threat of violence is needed to deal
with global warming.
Violence? Al doesn't live in Bolivia. Government force does not imply
violence.
Could you explain a little more about force without violence? What if the
entity being forced gets violent?
Or were you being facetious?
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| User: "Geoff" |
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19 Sep 2007 01:39:13 PM |
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Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:14:01 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:11 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u
<mrbawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course
that won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
You seem to imply that the threat of violence is needed to deal
with global warming.
Violence? Al doesn't live in Bolivia. Government force does not imply
violence.
Could you explain a little more about force without violence? What
if the entity being forced gets violent?
Or were you being facetious?
Do corporations get violent when they break the law? We're talking about
governmental regulation here, not a traffic stop.
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| User: "Bill Ward" |
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19 Sep 2007 02:16:35 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:39:13 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:14:01 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:11 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course
that won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
You seem to imply that the threat of violence is needed to deal
with global warming.
Violence? Al doesn't live in Bolivia. Government force does not imply
violence.
Could you explain a little more about force without violence? What if
the entity being forced gets violent?
Or were you being facetious?
Do corporations get violent when they break the law? We're talking about
governmental regulation here, not a traffic stop.
Is that your answer? Ever hear of Waco or Ruby Ridge? Those were just
governmental regulation enforcement, not a traffic stop.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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20 Sep 2007 01:25:43 AM |
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Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:39:13 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:14:01 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:11 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u
<mrbawan...@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course
that won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
You seem to imply that the threat of violence is needed to deal
with global warming.
Violence? Al doesn't live in Bolivia. Government force does not
imply violence.
Could you explain a little more about force without violence? What
if the entity being forced gets violent?
Or were you being facetious?
Do corporations get violent when they break the law? We're talking
about governmental regulation here, not a traffic stop.
Is that your answer? Ever hear of Waco or Ruby Ridge? Those were
just governmental regulation enforcement, not a traffic stop.
No. The whackjobs at Waco and Ruby Ridge were violent psychopaths. Comparing
that to the Superfund is completely off base.
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19 Sep 2007 05:28:35 PM |
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Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:39:13 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:14:01 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:11 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com>
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Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course
that won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
You seem to imply that the threat of violence is needed to deal
with global warming.
Violence? Al doesn't live in Bolivia. Government force does not imply
violence.
Could you explain a little more about force without violence? What if
the entity being forced gets violent?
Or were you being facetious?
Do corporations get violent when they break the law? We're talking about
governmental regulation here, not a traffic stop.
Is that your answer? Ever hear of Waco or Ruby Ridge? Those were just
governmental regulation enforcement, not a traffic stop.
Paper work run a-muck, all you need to own a machine gun, is fill out
the forms and pay the fee, and wait till the government confirms the
answers. Waco was just a matter of paperwork.
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http://OutSourcedNews.com
It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.
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| User: "columbiaaccidentinvestigation" |
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19 Sep 2007 02:29:22 PM |
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On Sep 19, 12:16 pm, Bill Ward <bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com>
wrote:"Is that your answer? Ever hear of Waco or Ruby Ridge? Those
were just governmental regulation enforcement, not a traffic stop."
ok so your paranoid of from those two events, and that is why your
opposed to government regulations to reduce emissions of green house
gases and aerosols even though companies are currently making such
changes under their own free will (us-cap.org). So you are a person
of science, but the discussion of man made emissions of green house
gases and aerosols effecting climate, are now shifted to a political
legal discussion of whether implementation of regulations to reduce
emissions would somehow equate to the two events you cited above,
that's some serious twisting. If you are afraid of such regulations,
you can lobby the federal government white house, congress, while at
the same time filing petitions yourself, in attempt to make local and
state laws that would counter such regulations ahead of federal
standard being set. The rule of law must prevail, and the
constitution sets up a pretty good frame work for you to work within
your constitutional rights to make the changes you desire to local,
state, and federal laws, but then you would be using the same
government entities that you fear....
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died |
19 Sep 2007 07:51:44 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:16:35 -0700, Bill Ward
<bward@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:39:13 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:14:01 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 18, 10:11 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 14:23:29 -0700, mrbawana2u <mrbawan...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Do you have any solutions besides oppressive government
Everyone do what's necessary without government force. Of course
that won't work, but it's the kind of solution you want.
You seem to imply that the threat of violence is needed to deal
with global warming.
Violence? Al doesn't live in Bolivia. Government force does not imply
violence.
Could you explain a little more about force without violence? What if
the entity being forced gets violent?
Or were you being facetious?
Do corporations get violent when they break the law? We're talking about
governmental regulation here, not a traffic stop.
Is that your answer? Ever hear of Waco or Ruby Ridge? Those were just
governmental regulation enforcement, not a traffic stop.
You mean the government trying to enforce a ban on lethal weapons -
which were used on the government agents trying to enforce the law.
Deadly force is justified (and legal) when faced with deadly force.
If some company wants to fire on federal agents trying to enforce
pollution laws, the government is going to fire back.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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20 Sep 2007 09:26:15 AM |
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On Sep 19, 5:51 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 12:16:35 -0700, Bill Ward
<bw...@REMOVETHISix.netcom.com> wrote:
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 14:39:13 -0400, Geoff wrote:
Bill Ward wrote:
Or were you being facetious?
Do corporations get violent when they break the law? We're talking about
governmental regulation here, not a traffic stop.
Is that your answer? Ever hear of Waco or Ruby Ridge? Those were just
governmental regulation enforcement, not a traffic stop.
You mean the government trying to enforce a ban on lethal weapons -
which were used on the government agents trying to enforce the law.
Deadly force is justified (and legal) when faced with deadly force.
Sounds like the invasion of Iraq.
Michael
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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20 Sep 2007 01:45:11 PM |
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On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:26:15 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
You mean the government trying to enforce a ban on lethal weapons -
which were used on the government agents trying to enforce the law.
Deadly force is justified (and legal) when faced with deadly force.
Sounds like the invasion of Iraq.
Except that Bush isn't the Sheriff of Baghdad. If the Montana State
Police tried to enforce gun licensing laws in New York, they'd be
locked up immediately.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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