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2007: The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died |
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
It took some forty years to unmask the Piltdown Man hoax that began in
1912 alleging that the skull of an ancient ancestor of man had been
found in England. Any number of British anthropologists unwittingly
contributed to the hoax by confirming the authenticity of the skull
until it was found that the jaw of an orangutan had been cunningly
attached. The unmasking of "global warming" has taken well under than
half that time.
The hoax has mainly been a creation of the United Nations
Environmental Program and took off in earnest with the 1992 Earth
Summit. It culminated in 1997 with the Kyoto Climate Control Protocol,
an agreement to reduce the generation of carbon dioxide, a
"greenhouse" gas (CO2) said to be the cause of an accelerated warming
of the earth. By 2005, 140 nations had ratified the pact, agreeing to
reduce CO2 emissions. Notably exempt from the pact were nations such
as China and India. Few, if any, nations have ever met the limits that
require reductions in CO2 production, primarily the result of the use
of so-called "fossil fuels" such as oil, natural gas, and coal.
The United States refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and, at one
point, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution rejecting it.
This has not kept the U.S. from spending billions on so-called
"climate research" intended to address climate change with the aim of
reducing or capturing CO2 emissions. Had that money been devoted to
maintenance of the nation's infrastructure, tragic events such as the
collapse of the Minnesota bridge over the Mississippi might have been
averted.
In August, it was revealed that NASA scientists had corrected an error
that resulted in 1934 replacing 1998 as the warmest year on record in
the U.S. Repeatedly the data put forth to justify the global warming
hoax has been debunked.
As Dr. David Wojick recently noted, "The real significance is that
such a small correction can make such a big difference. The reason is
that the much touted warming of the last three decades is merely a
return to earlier warm times, after an equally long period of cooling...
There is no way this pattern constitutes a warming trend...In short,
there is no evidence for human-induced global warming in the U.S.
temperature record."
"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared
astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing a new study that has been
accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research
authored by a Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. A
former Harvard physicist, Dr. Lubos Motl, said the new study has
reduced global warming fear-mongers to "playing the children's game to
scare each other."
The new research concludes that the Earth's climate is only about one-
third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as a series of reports by the
UN's International Panel on Climate Change has asserted for years. The
IPCC reports have been increasingly dismissed as deliberate
distortions of data that amount to little more than propaganda to
advance the "global warming" hoax.
Having testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment &
Public Works, paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter noted in a June 18,
2007 essay that global warming has stopped. There has been little, if
any, global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2
has increased by 17 percent. Thus, the connection between CO2 and
"global warming", the key to the claims that it is occurring and will
increase has been proven wrong.
Prior to and during 2007, one research study after another revealed
that the central premise of "global warming" lacks any scientific
merit. One by Dr. Tim Patterson concluded that, "The earth temperature
does respond to the solar cycle as confirmed by numerous studies." The
solar cycle is known to be about eleven years in length and reflects
increased or decreased sunspot (magnetic storms) activity. It is the
Sun that largely determines the Earth's temperature, which is never
the same throughout the planet, given seasonal and solar changes.
In 2007, meteorologist Anthony Watts who led a team of researchers
revealed that, "The U.S. National Climate Data Center is in the middle
of a scandal. Their global observing network, the heart and soul of
surface weather measurement, is a disaster." It had been discovered
that many of the measuring stations were placed in locations such as
on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels, beside heat exhaust
vents, and even attached to hot chimneys and above outdoor grills!
In May 2007, Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department
of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin dismissed fears of
increased man-made CO2 in the atmosphere. He called the "global
warming" argument "absurd." As to any increase in the Earth's
temperature, he said, "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since
the early 1800s, before the industrial Revolution, because we're
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting carbon
dioxide in the air."
On August 15, 2007, meteorologist Joseph D'Aleo, the first Director of
Meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chairman of the American
Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and
Forecasting, said, "If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our
annual anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 contribution today would be
equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."
When Newsweek magazine recently devoted a cover story calling the
growing international body of scientists debunking global warming
"deniers", it was forced to debunk itself when one of its own editors
called the article "highly contrived" and "fundamentally misleading."
Thus, it will be people like former Vice President Al Gore or actor
Leonardo DiCaprio, whose reputations are now heavily invested in the
"global warming" hoax, who will continue to fight a rear-guard action.
The mainstream media is likely to be supportive until it too is forced
to admit the truth of the science regarding the Earth's climate.
There will be dying gasps to this hoax, not the least of which is a
planned $100 million media blitz by Al Gore's Alliance for Climate
Protection, but the public is already far more concerned about
instability in the Middle East, the forthcoming national elections,
and shocks to the U.S. economy to accord such an effort much
credibility.
Hoaxes have a life of their own and "global warming" is now coming to
an end. Mark 2007 as the year it began to seriously bleed to death.
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| User: "birdog" |
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17 Sep 2007 04:11:00 PM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <soundoftrumpet@mailcan.com> wrote in message
news:1189974765.783774.71480@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
It took some forty years to unmask the Piltdown Man hoax that began in
1912 alleging that the skull of an ancient ancestor of man had been
found in England. Any number of British anthropologists unwittingly
contributed to the hoax by confirming the authenticity of the skull
until it was found that the jaw of an orangutan had been cunningly
attached. The unmasking of "global warming" has taken well under than
half that time.
The hoax has mainly been a creation of the United Nations
Environmental Program and took off in earnest with the 1992 Earth
Summit. It culminated in 1997 with the Kyoto Climate Control Protocol,
an agreement to reduce the generation of carbon dioxide, a
"greenhouse" gas (CO2) said to be the cause of an accelerated warming
of the earth. By 2005, 140 nations had ratified the pact, agreeing to
reduce CO2 emissions. Notably exempt from the pact were nations such
as China and India. Few, if any, nations have ever met the limits that
require reductions in CO2 production, primarily the result of the use
of so-called "fossil fuels" such as oil, natural gas, and coal.
The United States refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol and, at one
point, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed a resolution rejecting it.
This has not kept the U.S. from spending billions on so-called
"climate research" intended to address climate change with the aim of
reducing or capturing CO2 emissions. Had that money been devoted to
maintenance of the nation's infrastructure, tragic events such as the
collapse of the Minnesota bridge over the Mississippi might have been
averted.
In August, it was revealed that NASA scientists had corrected an error
that resulted in 1934 replacing 1998 as the warmest year on record in
the U.S. Repeatedly the data put forth to justify the global warming
hoax has been debunked.
As Dr. David Wojick recently noted, "The real significance is that
such a small correction can make such a big difference. The reason is
that the much touted warming of the last three decades is merely a
return to earlier warm times, after an equally long period of cooling...
There is no way this pattern constitutes a warming trend...In short,
there is no evidence for human-induced global warming in the U.S.
temperature record."
"Anthropogenic (man-made) global warming bites the dust," declared
astronomer Dr. Ian Wilson after reviewing a new study that has been
accepted for publication in the Journal of Geophysical Research
authored by a Brookhaven National Lab scientist Stephen Schwartz. A
former Harvard physicist, Dr. Lubos Motl, said the new study has
reduced global warming fear-mongers to "playing the children's game to
scare each other."
The new research concludes that the Earth's climate is only about one-
third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as a series of reports by the
UN's International Panel on Climate Change has asserted for years. The
IPCC reports have been increasingly dismissed as deliberate
distortions of data that amount to little more than propaganda to
advance the "global warming" hoax.
Having testified before the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment &
Public Works, paleoclimate scientist Bob Carter noted in a June 18,
2007 essay that global warming has stopped. There has been little, if
any, global warming since 1979, a period over which atmospheric CO2
has increased by 17 percent. Thus, the connection between CO2 and
"global warming", the key to the claims that it is occurring and will
increase has been proven wrong.
Prior to and during 2007, one research study after another revealed
that the central premise of "global warming" lacks any scientific
merit. One by Dr. Tim Patterson concluded that, "The earth temperature
does respond to the solar cycle as confirmed by numerous studies." The
solar cycle is known to be about eleven years in length and reflects
increased or decreased sunspot (magnetic storms) activity. It is the
Sun that largely determines the Earth's temperature, which is never
the same throughout the planet, given seasonal and solar changes.
In 2007, meteorologist Anthony Watts who led a team of researchers
revealed that, "The U.S. National Climate Data Center is in the middle
of a scandal. Their global observing network, the heart and soul of
surface weather measurement, is a disaster." It had been discovered
that many of the measuring stations were placed in locations such as
on hot black asphalt, next to trash burn barrels, beside heat exhaust
vents, and even attached to hot chimneys and above outdoor grills!
In May 2007, Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department
of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin dismissed fears of
increased man-made CO2 in the atmosphere. He called the "global
warming" argument "absurd." As to any increase in the Earth's
temperature, he said, "Of course it's going up. It has gone up since
the early 1800s, before the industrial Revolution, because we're
coming out of the Little Ice Age, not because we're putting carbon
dioxide in the air."
On August 15, 2007, meteorologist Joseph D'Aleo, the first Director of
Meteorology at The Weather Channel and former chairman of the American
Meteorological Society's Committee on Weather Analysis and
Forecasting, said, "If the atmosphere was a 100 story building, our
annual anthropogenic (man-made) CO2 contribution today would be
equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor."
When Newsweek magazine recently devoted a cover story calling the
growing international body of scientists debunking global warming
"deniers", it was forced to debunk itself when one of its own editors
called the article "highly contrived" and "fundamentally misleading."
Thus, it will be people like former Vice President Al Gore or actor
Leonardo DiCaprio, whose reputations are now heavily invested in the
"global warming" hoax, who will continue to fight a rear-guard action.
The mainstream media is likely to be supportive until it too is forced
to admit the truth of the science regarding the Earth's climate.
There will be dying gasps to this hoax, not the least of which is a
planned $100 million media blitz by Al Gore's Alliance for Climate
Protection, but the public is already far more concerned about
instability in the Middle East, the forthcoming national elections,
and shocks to the U.S. economy to accord such an effort much
credibility.
Hoaxes have a life of their own and "global warming" is now coming to
an end. Mark 2007 as the year it began to seriously bleed to death.
Thank you for devoting the time to post this - I read thru a few of the
comments to your post, and nothing that I read addressed the meat of the
article, re: quotes from qualified scientists and refutation of previous
claims by AGW advocates. The quality of the comments speaks loudly in
authenticating the views you present.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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17 Sep 2007 08:30:29 PM |
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birdog wrote:
Thank you for devoting the time to post this - I read thru a few of
the comments to your post, and nothing that I read addressed the meat
of the article
Because this has been done over and over with this loon. It gets boring
after a while.
All you have to do is read that "we are coming out of the Little Ice Age" to
know that the author is completely clueless. The Little Ice Age ended almost
200 years ago.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age#Dating_of_the_Little_Ice_Age
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| Title: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
16 Sep 2007 04:57:18 PM |
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On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
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| User: "Tegiri Nenashi" |
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17 Sep 2007 06:53:13 PM |
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On Sep 16, 1:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
So why is that arctic pack ice cover is [allegedly] diminishing, while
the antarctic pack ice grows? Is it because all the CO2 "polluters"
are located in the northern hemisphere, so that there is less global
warming down the south?
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| User: "Whata Fool" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
17 Sep 2007 08:23:39 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:53:13 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNenashi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:57 pm, wrote:
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
So why is that arctic pack ice cover is [allegedly] diminishing, while
the antarctic pack ice grows? Is it because all the CO2 "polluters"
are located in the northern hemisphere, so that there is less global
warming down the south?
No, it is warm Atlantic water streaming up both sides
of Greenland and down past Alaska.
But it is not a good idea to plan boat trips across the
Arctic Sea, it can freeze over fairly quick, trapping any boats.
And icebergs are always a danger, remember the Titanic?
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| User: "3783 Dead" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
17 Sep 2007 09:27:47 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 21:23:39 -0400, Whata Fool <whata@fool.ami> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:53:13 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNenashi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:57 pm, wrote:
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
So why is that arctic pack ice cover is [allegedly] diminishing, while
the antarctic pack ice grows? Is it because all the CO2 "polluters"
are located in the northern hemisphere, so that there is less global
warming down the south?
No, it is warm Atlantic water streaming up both sides
of Greenland and down past Alaska.
Now, why would it be doing that?
But it is not a good idea to plan boat trips across the
Arctic Sea, it can freeze over fairly quick, trapping any boats.
'Course. But models suggest that each year, it will be navigatble for
a longer period of time, until about 2030, when it might be open year
round.
And icebergs are always a danger, remember the Titanic?
Any skipper in the waters off eastern Canada knows about about those
bad boys.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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18 Sep 2007 07:43:57 AM |
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Whata Fool wrote:
But it is not a good idea to plan boat trips across the
Arctic Sea, it can freeze over fairly quick, trapping any boats.
A convoy lead by a Cutter would be advisable as you progress toward winter.
And icebergs are always a danger, remember the Titanic?
Fortunately, technology unavailable 90 years ago enables ships to avoid
bergs.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Sep 2007 09:12:26 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:53:13 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNenashi@gmail.com> wrote:
So why is that arctic pack ice cover is [allegedly] diminishing
Diminishing like this
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8000-2005Apr21.html>?
Or like this <http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-02.htm>? Or
like this
<http://www.livescience.com/environment/050421_glacial_retreat.html>?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Tegiri Nenashi" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
18 Sep 2007 12:00:46 PM |
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On Sep 17, 6:12 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 16:53:13 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNena...@gmail.com> wrote:
So why is that arctic pack ice cover is [allegedly] diminishing
Diminishing like this
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8000-2005Apr21.html>?
Or like this <http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0922-02.htm>? Or
like this
<http://www.livescience.com/environment/050421_glacial_retreat.html>?
The media sound familiar. Each and every tiny iceberg breaking off the
antarctic shelf is a sign of a looming catastrophe. For the record,
antarctic peninsula covers about 1% of the antarctic. The rest of the
antarctic looks pretty stable. And once again, the total antarctic ice
pack cover seems to slightly increase:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/s_plot.html
http://nsidc.org/data/smmr_ssmi_ancillary/gis.html
http://nsidc.org/data/smmr_ssmi_ancillary/regions/total_antarctic.html
One may wonder why there is no press coverage of these inconvenient
facts?
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Sep 2007 12:30:22 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:00:46 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNenashi@gmail.com> wrote:
The media sound familiar. Each and every tiny iceberg breaking off the
antarctic shelf is a sign of a looming catastrophe. For the record,
antarctic peninsula covers about 1% of the antarctic. The rest of the
antarctic looks pretty stable.
Because it's on land, so it doesn't break off, it flows, which the
Antarctic ice has been doing since before the IGY.
And once again, the total antarctic ice
pack cover seems to slightly increase:
Now, because it's winter.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/s_plot.html
That's not Antarctic ice, it's sea ice.
http://nsidc.org/data/smmr_ssmi_ancillary/gis.html
So is that.
http://nsidc.org/data/smmr_ssmi_ancillary/regions/total_antarctic.html
Since 1978? Do you really think you're fooling anyone?
One may wonder why there is no press coverage of these inconvenient
facts?
Which "facts" are those? that you don't know the difference between
Antarctic ice and sea ice? Or that you don't know that global warming
started long before 1978, and that even 30 years of anomaly (which
isn't there) wouldn't matter much? Or that Antarctic cooling and
global warming aren't mutually exclusive?
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Tegiri Nenashi" |
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| Title: In 500 years the antarctic ice pack would block the Cape Horn Passage! |
18 Sep 2007 02:24:45 PM |
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On Sep 18, 9:30 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:00:46 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNena...@gmail.com> wrote:
The media sound familiar. Each and every tiny iceberg breaking off the
antarctic shelf is a sign of a looming catastrophe. For the record,
antarctic peninsula covers about 1% of the antarctic. The rest of the
antarctic looks pretty stable.
Because it's on land, so it doesn't break off, it flows, which the
Antarctic ice has been doing since before the IGY.
And once again, the total antarctic ice
pack cover seems to slightly increase:
Now, because it's winter.
Well, in winter it increased a lot. But we are not talking about
seasonal changes here. These are averaged yearly averages. I see an
alarmist looking at those graph and proclaiming: "In 500 years the
antarctic ice pack would block the Cape Horn Passage!"
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/s_plot.html
That's not Antarctic ice, it's sea ice.
When the discussion revolved around Arctic sea ice, I found it logical
to speak Antarctic sea ice.
Oh you insist Antarctic ice sheet is diminishing too? That is plain
wrong as well.
One may wonder why there is no press coverage of these inconvenient
facts?
Which "facts" are those? ... Or that Antarctic cooling and
global warming aren't mutually exclusive?
So is Antarctic cooling or warming? Please make up your mind.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: In 500 years the antarctic ice pack would block the Cape Horn Passage! |
18 Sep 2007 03:58:26 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:24:45 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNenashi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 18, 9:30 am, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 10:00:46 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNena...@gmail.com> wrote:
The media sound familiar. Each and every tiny iceberg breaking off the
antarctic shelf is a sign of a looming catastrophe. For the record,
antarctic peninsula covers about 1% of the antarctic. The rest of the
antarctic looks pretty stable.
Because it's on land, so it doesn't break off, it flows, which the
Antarctic ice has been doing since before the IGY.
And once again, the total antarctic ice
pack cover seems to slightly increase:
Now, because it's winter.
Well, in winter it increased a lot. But we are not talking about
seasonal changes here. These are averaged yearly averages.
Only since 1978, which is hardly indicative of anything.
I see an alarmist looking at those graph and proclaiming: "In 500 years the
antarctic ice pack would block the Cape Horn Passage!"
Only if he didn't look at historical data - say the last 2,000 years.
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/s_plot.html
That's not Antarctic ice, it's sea ice.
When the discussion revolved around Arctic sea ice, I found it logical
to speak Antarctic sea ice.
We're talking about ice at the pole, not ice in Oregon, which is about
the equivalent distance.
One may wonder why there is no press coverage of these inconvenient
facts?
Which "facts" are those? ... Or that Antarctic cooling and
global warming aren't mutually exclusive?
So is Antarctic cooling or warming? Please make up your mind.
We're talking about GLOBAL warming, not how that warming is
distributed. The average effects, like runaway greenhouse, aren't
affected by local distribution. Arctic melting is indicative of
global warming. The MUCH smaller, and shorted, Antarctic increase in
ice isn't indicative of global cooling.
Learn the difference between "it's getting colder in Maine the last
few days" and "the 12 hottest months, globally, on record are all in
the 21st century."
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Yang, AthD h.c" |
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| Title: Tegiri Nenashi Lie of the Day: Antarctic Getting Colder (Why Are GW Denialist So Dishonest?) |
18 Sep 2007 09:32:36 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:24:45 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNenashi@gmail.com> wrote:
I see an alarmist looking at those graph and proclaiming: "In 500 years the
antarctic ice pack would block the Cape Horn Passage!"
You mean like this?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/08/antarctica-snowfall/
"we find that Antarctica has warmed, on average, in the last century,
along with the rest of the globe."
--
Yang
a.a.#28
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
17 Sep 2007 08:22:36 PM |
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Tegiri Nenashi wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
So why is that arctic pack ice cover is [allegedly] diminishing, while
the antarctic pack ice grows?
Both the Antarctic and Arctic ice fields fluctuate in size. The Antarctic is
currently in winter, so it is growing. But year to year, the Antarctic is
losing ice too. The effect is far more dramatic in the Arctic, though, since
it is open water whereas 99.99% of Antarctic ice is over land.
Thus you see much of the melting of Antarctic on the coasts and over water.
Unfortunately for seals, penguins, petrels, etc. this is where they live.
Alarmingly, whole populations of penguins have gone missing in the past few
years.
Is it because all the CO2 "polluters"
are located in the northern hemisphere, so that there is less global
warming down the south?
No. The Earth is getting generally warmer all over with some local
variation.
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| User: "Tegiri Nenashi" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
18 Sep 2007 11:47:06 AM |
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On Sep 17, 5:22 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Both the Antarctic and Arctic ice fields fluctuate in size. The Antarctic is
currently in winter, so it is growing. But year to year, the Antarctic is
losing ice too.
Wrong: http://nsidc.org/data/smmr_ssmi_ancillary/regions/total_antarctic.html
The graphs at the bottom evidence slight increase in the yearly
average ice pack cover.
Unfortunately for seals, penguins, petrels, etc. this is where they live.
Poor seals, penguins (and polar beers too) displaced from their
habitat -- how can one dare to challenge these arguments!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
18 Sep 2007 01:08:13 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:47:06 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNenashi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:22 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Both the Antarctic and Arctic ice fields fluctuate in size. The Antarctic is
currently in winter, so it is growing. But year to year, the Antarctic is
losing ice too.
Wrong: http://nsidc.org/data/smmr_ssmi_ancillary/regions/total_antarctic.html
The graphs at the bottom evidence slight increase in the yearly
average ice pack cover.
Wrong - we're talking about anthropogenic global warming, not changes
since 1978.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
18 Sep 2007 02:22:31 PM |
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Tegiri Nenashi wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:22 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Both the Antarctic and Arctic ice fields fluctuate in size. The
Antarctic is currently in winter, so it is growing. But year to
year, the Antarctic is losing ice too.
Wrong:
http://nsidc.org/data/smmr_ssmi_ancillary/regions/total_antarctic.html
The graphs at the bottom evidence slight increase in the yearly
average ice pack cover.
From NSDIC:
http://nsidc.org/iceshelves/larsenb2002/index.html
"This is the largest single event in a series of retreats by ice shelves in
the Peninsula over the last 30 years. The retreats are attributed to a
strong climate warming in the region. The rate of warming is approximately
0.5 degrees Celsius per decade, and the trend has been present since at
least the late 1940s. Overall in the Peninsula, extent of seven ice shelves
has declined by a total of about 13,500 km2 since 1974. This value excludes
areas that would be expected to calve under stable conditions."
"While the breakup of the ice shelves in the Peninsula has little
consequence for sea level rise, the breakup of other shelves in the
Antarctic could have a major effect on the rate of ice flow off the
continent. Ice shelves act as a buttress, or braking system, for glaciers.
Further, the shelves keep warmer marine air at a distance from the glaciers;
therefore, they moderate the amount of melting that occurs on the glaciers'
surfaces. Once their ice shelves are removed, the glaciers increase in speed
due to meltwater percolation and/or a reduction of braking forces, and they
may begin to dump more ice into the ocean than they gather as snow in their
catchments. Glacier ice speed increases are already observed in Peninsula
areas where ice shelves disintegrated in prior years."
Unfortunately for seals, penguins, petrels, etc. this is where they
live.
Poor seals, penguins (and polar beers too) displaced from their
habitat -- how can one dare to challenge these arguments!
Good point. All we need is wheat, corn, and cattle and the world will be
fine.
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| User: "Tegiri Nenashi" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
18 Sep 2007 02:40:41 PM |
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On Sep 18, 11:22 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Tegiri Nenashi wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:22 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Both the Antarctic and Arctic ice fields fluctuate in size. The
Antarctic is currently in winter, so it is growing. But year to
year, the Antarctic is losing ice too.
Wrong:
http://nsidc.org/data/smmr_ssmi_ancillary/regions/total_antarctic.html
The graphs at the bottom evidence slight increase in the yearly
average ice pack cover.
From NSDIC:http://nsidc.org/iceshelves/larsenb2002/index.html
"This is the largest single event in a series of retreats by ice shelves in
the Peninsula over the last 30 years. The retreats are attributed to a
strong climate warming in the region. The rate of warming is approximately
0.5 degrees Celsius per decade, and the trend has been present since at
least the late 1940s. Overall in the Peninsula, extent of seven ice shelves
has declined by a total of about 13,500 km2 since 1974. This value excludes
areas that would be expected to calve under stable conditions."
So? The antarctic peninsula takes about 1% of antarctic area. Sure if
you look at the world with microscope powerful enough, then you'll
find regions that changed local climate a little. The vast majority of
antarctic experience no change in the temperature,
http://www.nerc-bas.ac.uk/icd/gjma/amundsen-scott.ann.trend.pdf
http://www.nerc-bas.ac.uk/public/icd/gjma/vostok.ann.trend.pdf
Then, the trend in the antarctic sea ice cover indicates that the
antarctic region climate on global scale didn't change at all.
"While the breakup of the ice shelves in the Peninsula has little
consequence for sea level rise, the breakup of other shelves in the
Antarctic could have a major effect on the rate of ice flow off the
continent. Ice shelves act as a buttress, or braking system, for glaciers.
Further, the shelves keep warmer marine air at a distance from the glaciers;
therefore, they moderate the amount of melting that occurs on the glaciers'
surfaces. Once their ice shelves are removed, the glaciers increase in speed
due to meltwater percolation and/or a reduction of braking forces, and they
could have to dump more ice into the ocean than they gather as snow in their
catchments. Glacier ice speed increases are already observed in Peninsula
areas where ice shelves disintegrated in prior years."
"could have", "may begin". I suggest that the flow of the vast
majority of antarctic glaciers comes nowhere close to antarctic
peninsula.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
18 Sep 2007 04:53:35 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:40:41 -0700, Tegiri Nenashi
<TegiriNenashi@gmail.com> wrote:
So? The antarctic peninsula takes about 1% of antarctic area. Sure if
you look at the world with microscope powerful enough
How much of the planet's surface does the Antarctic take?
Pot-kettle-black.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
19 Sep 2007 10:04:19 AM |
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Tegiri Nenashi wrote:
So? The antarctic peninsula takes about 1% of antarctic area. Sure if
you look at the world with microscope powerful enough, then you'll
find regions that changed local climate a little. The vast majority of
antarctic experience no change in the temperature,
http://www.nerc-bas.ac.uk/icd/gjma/amundsen-scott.ann.trend.pdf
http://www.nerc-bas.ac.uk/public/icd/gjma/vostok.ann.trend.pdf
Those are annual temperatures. It does not say if they are annual means
taken daily, a minimum for a specific day, a maximum for a specific month.
Heck, it could be anything. Furthermore, even if it is a mean, what's the
sigma?
"While the breakup of the ice shelves in the Peninsula has little
consequence for sea level rise, the breakup of other shelves in the
Antarctic could have a major effect on the rate of ice flow off the
continent. Ice shelves act as a buttress, or braking system, for
glaciers. Further, the shelves keep warmer marine air at a distance
from the glaciers; therefore, they moderate the amount of melting
that occurs on the glaciers' surfaces. Once their ice shelves are
removed, the glaciers increase in speed due to meltwater percolation
and/or a reduction of braking forces, and they could have to dump
more ice into the ocean than they gather as snow in their
catchments. Glacier ice speed increases are already observed in
Peninsula areas where ice shelves disintegrated in prior years."
"could have", "may begin". I suggest that the flow of the vast
majority of antarctic glaciers comes nowhere close to antarctic
peninsula.
They're all flowing seaward. This effect need not be limited to one
geographical area. This is just one area that has been under increased
scrutiny. Antarctic expeditions are quite expensive.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Sep 2007 04:52:20 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 15:22:31 -0400, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>
wrote:
Tegiri Nenashi wrote:
Poor seals, penguins (and polar beers too) displaced from their
habitat -- how can one dare to challenge these arguments!
Good point. All we need is wheat, corn, and cattle and the world will be
fine.
Let's not forget oil. We don't want another ice age.
</sarcasm>
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
16 Sep 2007 06:03:46 PM |
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On Sep 16, 2:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Michael
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
16 Sep 2007 08:40:26 PM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 16, 2:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Don't be silly. It means a dramatic change to the ecosytem there. While it
might be good for shipping, it certainly sucks for polar bears and Inuit.
Furthermore, it contributes to the feedback of warming. Dark ocean absorbs
more energy than white ice. You see that big sheet of ice next to the Arctic
called Greenland? You better hope it doesn't melt.
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| User: "Professor1942" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
16 Sep 2007 08:52:53 PM |
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On Sep 16, 6:40 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Don't be silly. It means a dramatic change to the ecosytem there. While it
might be good for shipping, it certainly sucks for polar bears and Inuit.
How exactly does it suck for Inuit?
And why do people give a flying ***** about polar bears? They are
disgusting, vicious animals with *****-stained asses.
Warming (unfortunately) won't kill them off anyway.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
16 Sep 2007 08:58:10 PM |
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On Sep 16, 6:40 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 16, 2:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Don't be silly. It means a dramatic change to the ecosytem there. While it
might be good for shipping, it certainly sucks for polar bears and Inuit.
The Earth was warmer four thousand years ago; there was certainly
an ice-free Northwest Passage back then.
If polar bears were in the area at the time, their descendants
today should be able to deal with it.
Michael
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
17 Sep 2007 08:15:39 PM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 16, 6:40 pm, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
On Sep 16, 2:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the
cumulative impact of scientists who have publicly joined those
who debunked the lies on which it has been based will be noted as
the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their
lies at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Don't be silly. It means a dramatic change to the ecosytem there.
While it might be good for shipping, it certainly sucks for polar
bears and Inuit.
The Earth was warmer four thousand years ago; there was certainly
an ice-free Northwest Passage back then.
I don't think so. The Earth is currently in a warm period and getting warmer
due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases. The last time the global mean
temperature was anything near what it was about 125,000 years ago.
If polar bears were in the area at the time, their descendants
today should be able to deal with it.
Yes, if you can assume everything else is constant too. Like just about
every other ecosystem, the Arctic is facing human encroachment. You may say,
now wait, there aren't any cities up there. But the fact is that the Arctic
can only support a fraction of the wildlife that temperate climes can. Even
small villages push wildlife further onto the fringes. And I hope you'll
agree that there are a lot more of those villages now than there were 4000
years ago and certainly more than 125kya.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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17 Sep 2007 07:05:34 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:58:10 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Earth was warmer four thousand years ago
Cite, please.
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Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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18 Sep 2007 08:54:56 AM |
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On Sep 17, 5:05 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:58:10 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Earth was warmer four thousand years ago
Cite, please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png#Data_Sources
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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18 Sep 2007 09:33:14 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 06:54:56 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 17, 5:05 pm, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 18:58:10 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejer...@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Earth was warmer four thousand years ago
Cite, please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png#Data_Sources
"The magnitude and nature of this warm event is disputed, and it may
have been largely limited to high northern latitudes." (That means
around the North Pole.)
Look at the graph showing the reconstructed temperature of the last
2,000 years
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2000_Year_Temperature_Comparison.png>
and tell us how it's not going up - especially since the Industrial
Revolution.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"They laughed at Newton, they laughed at Einstein, but they also laughed at
Bozo the Clown."
- Carl Sagan
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| User: "3783 Dead" |
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| Title: Re: 2007: The Year To Go Soak Your Head In the Northwest Passage |
16 Sep 2007 07:47:49 PM |
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On Sun, 16 Sep 2007 16:03:46 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sep 16, 2:57 pm, wrote:
On Sep 16, 1:32 pm, Sound of Trumpet <soundoftrum...@mailcan.com>
wrote:
http://www.conservativetruth.org/article.php?id=42
The Year The Global Warming Hoax Died
September 3, 2007
By Alan Caruba
When did the global warming hoax die? Historians are likely to
pinpoint 2007. It will take another decade to insure it cannot be
revived, but the avalanche of scientific studies and the cumulative
impact of scientists who have publicly joined those who debunked the
lies on which it has been based will be noted as the tipping point.
What is that fruitcake burbling about???
Warming deniers should go book passage on the newly ice-free opened
Northwest Passage before they (and you) go start burbling their lies
at people... insulting their intelligence, you infidel.
What is wrong with an ice-free Northwest Passage?
Ask a polar bear.
Michael
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