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28 Feb 2007 11:23:45 AM |
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20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 05:49:26 PM |
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On 28 Feb 2007 09:23:45 -0800, in alt.talk.creationism
"ZeroPoint" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote in
<1172683425.011331.177890@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
You are correct if you completely ignore that the mechanism for the
water returning to the place from which the streams ran is not stated
(and vaguely implies that the water somehow flows underneath back to the
beginnings of the streams). Why do you insist on making claims about the
Bible that just look so stupid to anyone, Christian or not, with even
the most basic understanding of science?
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"Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel
to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy
Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should
take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in
which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh
it to scorn." -- Augustine, The Literal Meaning of Genesis
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| User: "Chocomel" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 11:53:56 AM |
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On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RORyRmzka2Vu?=" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 04:05:54 PM |
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"Chocomel" <eric@moas.org> wrote in message
news:1172685236.656197.121320@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" aka JABRIOL homocidal
JW<zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
You're dealing with Jabriol of 95+ sock puppets to dishonestly get around
killfiles and Google's posting rules. He's a Jehovah's Witness and all are
"closed mind" creationists.
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| User: "ZeroPoint" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 12:08:03 PM |
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On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 12:27:06 PM |
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"ZeroPoint" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172686083.098080.316420@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual
*****. There are plenty of people that consider the Bible, the Koran, or
the Torah are perfectly reasonable textbooks.
the only claim is when relating to certain subject it is basically
accurate.
Dodge. Harry Potter is basically accurate when relating to certain subjects.
It's still fiction.
What about the parts of the Bible that are basically, nay completely,
inaccurate? It's funny how you only focus on a completely innocuous general
observation about streams and oceans (of course, the writers of the Torah
never saw an ocean, but that's another story) and compare it to an extremely
technical subject like the hydrologic cycle yet completely ignore the
Bible's horseshit about a global flood and a temporal stasis.
Other old book are full of mysticism.
What "other old books" I wonder? I'm sure if we consider the Upanishads that
there are plenty of observations of natural phenomena that are sufficiently
general to be characterized as "basically accurate".
And there is a Muslim kook that used to post here and there about how
COMPLETELY accurate the Koran is with respect to science.
Basically, you need to clean up your homework before you submit it to
teacher. That ***** don't wash here.
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| User: "Joshua Aaron" |
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28 Feb 2007 03:50:42 PM |
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On Feb 28, 12:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.
Why would you, ZeroP, post this garbage to an atheism group? It seems
rather inappropriate for this NG. Spare me any evangelical reasoning
in your response.
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| User: "Chocomel" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 12:27:20 PM |
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On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
My point is your quoted passages from Ecclesiastes way are over
simplified to mean what you want them to mean, that is the water cycle
quoted (in part) from an encyclopedia.
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| User: "Chocomel" |
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28 Feb 2007 12:23:35 PM |
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On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes like magic and unicorns.
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| User: "Ips-Switch" |
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28 Feb 2007 04:08:04 PM |
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"Chocomel" <eric@moas.org> wrote in message
news:1172687015.107538.208600@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to
form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's
surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return
to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes like magic and unicorns.
And talking serpents and donkeys, pregnant virgins, and staffs that turn
into snakes and crawl away and rabbits that chew the cud, and an almighty
god who took all night to dislocate Jacob's leg.......
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| User: "ZeroPoint" |
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28 Feb 2007 01:09:25 PM |
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On Feb 28, 1:23 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes like magic and unicorns.
Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.
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| User: "=?iso-8859-1?B?RORyRmzka2Vu?=" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 04:10:32 PM |
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"ZeroPoint" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172689765.667601.303890@m58g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 28, 1:23 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from
the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These
are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to
form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form
instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's
surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins
its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible,
was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward
terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return
to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes like magic and unicorns.
Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.
Since when? It has talking serpents, talking donkeys, pregnant virgins, men
who walk on water, cripples suddenly being magically healed....... rods were
show to copulating animals and they had striped young, a woman turns into a
pillar of salt. Magic! All magic!
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01 Mar 2007 06:01:30 PM |
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Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.
That's nonsense. The miricles and rituals described in the Bible
are definitely magic. When Joshua has to raise his arms so that the
people of Israel win, that is a magic ritual. When he makes and oath
so that his daughter is sacrificed by fire, that is a magic ritual.
When the children of Israel place blood on their door posts to keep
away the angel of death just before the tenth plage, that is a magic
ritual. All the sacrifices described in the Bible are magical rituals.
When the Israelites "sacrifice" the men, women, and children in
Canaanite towns ("sacrifice" is the Bibles word for this), that is a
magical ritual.
All the sacrifices and temple rituals described in Deuteronomy and
Exodus are magical rituals. As a particularly obvious example, the
sacrifice of the Red Cow is obviously a magical ritual. The cow is
mixed with other red materials, burnt while the priest is looking from
a corner of the temple, and the ashes used for healing. The sacrifice
of two pigeons soaked in blood, one killed and one released, is a sin
offering. By definition that is a magical ritual. The sacrifice of the
first born is a magical ritual. Circumcision (to mark a convenent with
God) is a magical ritual.
The powdered ash from the Red Cow is a magical object.The brass
snake used by Moses to cure the people of Israel of the plague of
serpents is a magical object, used for generations after the first
usage. The prayer to God bound on the doorway of every house, ordered
by God in Deuteronomy, is a magical amulet (Jews call them mezzuzah, I
am not sure how the custom has passed to Christians). The temple is an
obvious magical object, with alters and corners systematically
described with no clear reference to purpose.
Moses is always waving a magic wand when a miracle occurs.
Reread the part about Korah and Moses. Moses burns incense before
talking to Korah and his followers. Moses has the followers of Korah
follow a very strict protocol, marching back and forth with firepans,
in a very strict trajectory around the alter. Although Moses claims
that it was God who made the choice, the description sounds
suspiciously like a magic trick for Moses power.
There are incidents where animals talk. the talking snake in
the garden of Eden comes close to being a magical animal (or at least
the most cunning of animals). Balaks talking donkey is another. The
angels seen in Eziekel's vision are magical creatures.
Magical creatures and spirits other than god are not described in
detail in the Bible, but sort of implied. The Israelites are asked
not to make sacrifices to the goats of the desert. Since there are no
goats that naturally live in a dry desert, I infer that these goats
may have been magical creatures. In fact, I think some old pagan
sources refer to the Shedim, which were magical goat/bull/human
hybrids in the desert. Angels are described in the Bible, which are
magical creatures. Again, angels are seldom described in detail. God
talks to other spirits in Genesis, these are magical creatures.
The temple of Solomon has two winged cherubs guarding the alter.
These are obviously magical creatures. I think that they may have been
winged shedim. After all, that is what most of the pagan tribes in the
area used as guardians.The lack of detail doesn't mean that the Bible
is rejecting magical creatures. Many Biblical Literalists have a very
vivid, nonambiguous belief in demons (who they don't like).
Not all medieval legends about elves, giants, nymphs, and satyrs
are detailed. Descriptions of elves vary. Some say that elves are
hollow on the dorsal side, and some say they are full. Unicorns are
hybrid creatures, but the mixture varies. Some say that unicorns have
a horse face, and some say unicorns have a goat face. Satyrs can be
described as "goats of the wilderness." I think that satyrs, shedim,
and goats of the wilderness of pretty much the same thing. Nymphs vary
greatly from promiscuous spirits living in trees to goddesses.
Nonambiguous pictures of magical creatures have become popular in TV
and the movies. However, the Bible is like any pagan source of
religious information. It refers to magical creatures in very general
terms.
In the New Testament, frequent reference to Satan and other
demons are mentioned. These are magical animals. Some detail starts to
come out in the New Testament. Jesus casts out devils.
The miracles of the Bible are of course all magic. The Creation
of the universe is magic. An attack on magic is an attack on the
Bible. If one takes the Bible literally, one has to believe in magic.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
01 Mar 2007 11:08:16 PM |
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On 1 Mar 2007 16:01:30 -0800, claimed:
Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.
That's nonsense. The miricles and rituals described in the Bible
are definitely magic.
Well, you said so, so you can't be wrong, because you said,
"definitely", right? Now that's absolute proof! <chuckle>
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It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible
through their doctrines and their doctrines become
absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated
and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their
doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed
out that the words they claim, are not found in the
Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just
don't have the special understanding that is required
to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only
today, can we understand these special keys and have
placed themselves not only above their fellow man,
but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who
clearly stated that they were the ones who were
given the key to understanding the mysteries and
were revealing them to the churches. And yet,
these people would have us believe that they were
liars! That is the only conclusion that one can
draw, when they claim that it is only today that
we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't
that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore,
lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they
wrote, but really had no clue what they were
talking about. This happens because so many
believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't
all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism!
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| User: "Chocomel" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 01:20:20 PM |
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Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.
The Bible is full of magical happenings and, yes the Bible mentions
unicorns; in Job 39:9&10, Deuteronomy 33:17, Numbers 23:22 and 24:8;
Psalm 22:21, 29:6 and 92:10; and Isaiah 34:7. and we won't even get
into dragons and satyrs!
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| User: "fermata" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 01:16:37 PM |
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http://www.biblicalproportions.com/modules/ol_bible/King_James_Bible/?book=&search=unicorn&operation=Search
Actually, I found several unicorns in the bible.
On Feb 28, 2:09 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:23 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes like magic and unicorns.
Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.
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| User: "Joshua Aaron" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 03:52:24 PM |
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On Feb 28, 1:16 pm, "fermata" <sara.weath...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.biblicalproportions.com/modules/ol_bible/King_James_Bible/...
Actually, I found several unicorns in the bible.
On Feb 28, 2:09 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:23 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes like magic and unicorns.
Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.
*****************************************************************
* Numbers
o Numbers 23:22 God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as
it were the strength of an unicorn.
o Numbers 24:8 God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath
as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his
enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his
arrows.
* Deuteronomy
o Deuteronomy 33:17 His glory is like the firstling of his
bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he
shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are
the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
* Job
o Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or
abide by thy crib?
o Job 39:10 Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in
the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
* Psalms
o Psalms 22:21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast
heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
o Psalms 29:6 He maketh them also to skip like a calf;
Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
o Psalms 92:10 But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn
of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
* Isaiah
o Isaiah 34:7 And the unicorns shall come down with them,
and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with
blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
*****************************************************************
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| User: "Chocomel" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 01:27:34 PM |
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On Feb 28, 2:16 pm, "fermata" <sara.weath...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.biblicalproportions.com/modules/ol_bible/King_James_Bible/...
Actually, I found several unicorns in the bible.
On Feb 28, 2:09 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:23 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes like magic and unicorns.
Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Thanks for the link fermata, If I had only waited!
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| User: "fermata" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 01:39:51 PM |
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Oh don't thank me, thank google.
On Feb 28, 2:27 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 2:16 pm, "fermata" <sara.weath...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.biblicalproportions.com/modules/ol_bible/King_James_Bible/...
Actually, I found several unicorns in the bible.
On Feb 28, 2:09 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:23 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:08 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Yes like magic and unicorns.
Yet dont find magic nor unicorn in the Bible... the bible condemns
magic.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Thanks for the link fermata, If I had only waited!
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle - GREEK SCIENCE! |
28 Feb 2007 03:39:51 PM |
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The Epicurean book of KOHELETH (ECCLESIASTES) is a most unique bokk among
the onec compiled into the Bible.
Written during the Greek rule, its author is clearly promoting the
philosophy of
EPICUREANISM! -- L.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
28 Feb 2007 04:05:21 PM |
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ZeroPoint wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:53 pm, "Chocomel" <e...@moas.org> wrote:
On Feb 28, 12:23 pm, "ZeroPoint" <zodr...@gmail.com> wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from
the surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving
air currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland.
When the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets.
These are seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come
together to form raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough,
snowflakes form instead of raindrops. In either case, water that
has traveled from an ocean hundreds or even thousands of miles away
falls to the earth's surface. There it gathers into streams or
soaks into the ground and begins its journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward
terms in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return
to run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
ZeroPoint,
Too simple and too straightforward - I guess you can read it how you
want and make it say things it's not saying, that's a typical
creationist thing to do. In any case air currents, evaporation,
clouds, snowflakes and raindrops are not mentioned. So again don't
try to make the Bible a science text.
The Idea of the scripture is to make things simple. Look, nobody is
saying the Bible is a science manual, the only claim is when relating
to certain subject it is basically accurate. Other old book are full
of mysticism.
And other older books are filled with valid astronomy and precise dating
methods.
In most subjects the bible is completely wrong. I do not limit that
statement to science but to everything.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 20070228 TOBS: Bible and Science: The water cycle |
02 Mar 2007 12:19:46 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 09:23:45 -0800, ZeroPoint wrote:
The earth's amazing water cycle. Here is how Compton's
Encyclopedia describes what happens: "Water . . . evaporates from the
surface of the oceans into the atmosphere . . . Steadily moving air
currents in the earth's atmosphere carry the moist air inland. When
the air cools, the vapor condenses to form water droplets. These are
seen most commonly as clouds. Often the droplets come together to form
raindrops. If the atmosphere is cold enough, snowflakes form instead
of raindrops. In either case, water that has traveled from an ocean
hundreds or even thousands of miles away falls to the earth's surface.
There it gathers into streams or soaks into the ground and begins its
journey back to the sea."
This remarkable process, which makes life on dry land possible, was
well described about 3,000 years ago in simple, straightforward terms
in the Bible: "All streams run into the sea, yet the sea never
overflows; back to the place from which the streams ran they return to
run again."-Ecclesiastes 1:7, The New English Bible.
Wow, that was pathetic.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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