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"Ghent" |
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26 Feb 2007 05:25:32 PM |
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2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
In 1613 the Italian scientist Galileo published a work known as
"Letters on Sunspots." In it, he presented evidence that the earth
rotates around the sun, rather than the sun around the earth. By so
doing, he set in motion a series of events that finally brought him
before the Roman Catholic Inquisition under "vehement suspicion of
heresy." Eventually, he was forced to "recant." Why was the idea that
the earth moves around the sun viewed as heresy? Because Galileo's
accusers claimed that it was contrary to what the Bible says.
IT IS widely held today that the Bible is unscientific, and some point
to Galileo's experiences to prove it. But is this the case? When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
It does not claim to be a scientific textbook. Nevertheless, when the
Bible does touch on scientific matters, what it says is completely
accurate.
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| User: "Jim07D7" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
26 Feb 2007 08:12:04 PM |
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"Ghent" <jabriol@hotmail.com> said:
In 1613 the Italian scientist Galileo published a work known as
"Letters on Sunspots." In it, he presented evidence that the earth
rotates around the sun, rather than the sun around the earth. By so
doing, he set in motion a series of events that finally brought him
before the Roman Catholic Inquisition under "vehement suspicion of
heresy." Eventually, he was forced to "recant." Why was the idea that
the earth moves around the sun viewed as heresy? Because Galileo's
accusers claimed that it was contrary to what the Bible says.
False. It threatened the authority of the Church as the sole
interpreter of what the Bible says. (It clearly could be, and has been
reinterpreted since then.)
IT IS widely held today that the Bible is unscientific, and some point
to Galileo's experiences to prove it. But is this the case? When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
It does not claim to be a scientific textbook. Nevertheless, when the
Bible does touch on scientific matters, what it says is completely
accurate.
Only when reinterpreted to fit the facts.
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| User: "ZeroPoint" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
27 Feb 2007 06:47:12 AM |
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On Feb 26, 9:12 pm, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:
"Ghent" <jabr...@hotmail.com> said:
IT IS widely held today that the Bible is unscientific, and some point
to Galileo's experiences to prove it. But is this the case? When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
It does not claim to be a scientific textbook. Nevertheless, when the
Bible does touch on scientific matters, what it says is completely
accurate.
Only when reinterpreted to fit the facts.
sometime reinterpretation is needed to correct a misinterpretation to
begin with.
That why the USA has a supreme court, and even they reinterpret the
law ever so often.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
27 Feb 2007 07:10:45 AM |
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On 27 Feb 2007 04:47:12 -0800, "ZeroPoint" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 26, 9:12 pm, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:
"Ghent" <jabr...@hotmail.com> said:
IT IS widely held today that the Bible is unscientific, and some point
to Galileo's experiences to prove it. But is this the case? When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
It does not claim to be a scientific textbook. Nevertheless, when the
Bible does touch on scientific matters, what it says is completely
accurate.
Only when reinterpreted to fit the facts.
sometime reinterpretation is needed to correct a misinterpretation to
begin with.
That why the USA has a supreme court, and even they reinterpret the
law ever so often.
Is there no excuse so lame you Christers won't use it?
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
27 Feb 2007 10:01:32 AM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On 27 Feb 2007 04:47:12 -0800, "ZeroPoint" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 26, 9:12 pm, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:
"Ghent" aka (JABRIOL) <jabr...@hotmail.com> said:
IT IS widely held today that the Bible is unscientific, and some point
to Galileo's experiences to prove it. But is this the case? When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
It does not claim to be a scientific textbook. Nevertheless, when the
Bible does touch on scientific matters, what it says is completely
accurate.
Only when reinterpreted to fit the facts.
sometime reinterpretation is needed to correct a misinterpretation to
begin with.
That why the USA has a supreme court, and even they reinterpret the
law ever so often.
Is there no excuse so lame you Christers won't use it?
He's a Jehovah's Witness. They're hardly Christians. He plagiarizes the
Watchtower literature to fool people into reading his Org's propaganda,
admits to 95+ sock-puppets and email addresses to get around Google's rules
and killfiles, and slanders innocent people. He cross-posts his crap to
irrelevant groups to harass people and suggests "someone" slash the throat
of the people he's obsessed with.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
02 Mar 2007 12:13:28 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:01:32 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On 27 Feb 2007 04:47:12 -0800, "ZeroPoint" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 26, 9:12 pm, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:
"Ghent" aka (JABRIOL) <jabr...@hotmail.com> said:
IT IS widely held today that the Bible is unscientific, and some point
to Galileo's experiences to prove it. But is this the case? When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
It does not claim to be a scientific textbook. Nevertheless, when the
Bible does touch on scientific matters, what it says is completely
accurate.
Only when reinterpreted to fit the facts.
sometime reinterpretation is needed to correct a misinterpretation to
begin with.
That why the USA has a supreme court, and even they reinterpret the
law ever so often.
Is there no excuse so lame you Christers won't use it?
He's a Jehovah's Witness. They're hardly Christians. He plagiarizes the
Watchtower literature to fool people into reading his Org's propaganda,
admits to 95+ sock-puppets and email addresses to get around Google's rules
and killfiles, and slanders innocent people. He cross-posts his crap to
irrelevant groups to harass people and suggests "someone" slash the throat
of the people he's obsessed with.
I've known Jabbers for years. I usually plonk each new nym as it pops
up, but sometimes I can't resist poking him with a sharp stick a
couple of times before I flush him. <G>
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
02 Mar 2007 06:43:37 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 10:01:32 -0600, "Kathy" <Kathy9045@gmail.com>
wrote:
"John Baker" <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in message
news:kdb8u2dmjaeb271fue0h96fghs918bsen6@4ax.com...
On 27 Feb 2007 04:47:12 -0800, "ZeroPoint" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote:
On Feb 26, 9:12 pm, Jim07D7 <Jim0...@nospam.net> wrote:
"Ghent" aka (JABRIOL) <jabr...@hotmail.com> said:
IT IS widely held today that the Bible is unscientific, and some
point
to Galileo's experiences to prove it. But is this the case? When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
It does not claim to be a scientific textbook. Nevertheless, when the
Bible does touch on scientific matters, what it says is completely
accurate.
Only when reinterpreted to fit the facts.
sometime reinterpretation is needed to correct a misinterpretation to
begin with.
That why the USA has a supreme court, and even they reinterpret the
law ever so often.
Is there no excuse so lame you Christers won't use it?
He's a Jehovah's Witness. They're hardly Christians. He plagiarizes the
Watchtower literature to fool people into reading his Org's propaganda,
admits to 95+ sock-puppets and email addresses to get around Google's
rules
and killfiles, and slanders innocent people. He cross-posts his crap to
irrelevant groups to harass people and suggests "someone" slash the throat
of the people he's obsessed with.
I've known Jabbers for years. I usually plonk each new nym as it pops
up, but sometimes I can't resist poking him with a sharp stick a
couple of times before I flush him. <G>
Hahaha!!! :-D I know what you mean... he just begs to be poked with
sharp sticks. Enjoy!
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| User: "Dan Drake" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
28 Feb 2007 01:45:02 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:47:12 UTC, "ZeroPoint" <zodriol@gmail.com> wrote:
That why the USA has a supreme court, and even they reinterpret the
law ever so often.
Gee, I hope they don't do that. Even though Strict Constructionism is
nonsense for fools, even a liberal like me would prefer that they change
the precedent only *every so often*.
Hoping that's what you meant, and not flaming anyone for mitstyppig
occasionally.
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Dan Drake
dd@dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/
porlockjr.blogspot.com
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
26 Feb 2007 07:14:31 PM |
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"Ghent" <jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172532332.493305.152260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
No it isn't. On what basis do you make that claim? Have you tested it?
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
27 Feb 2007 05:52:21 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:14:31 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"Ghent" <jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172532332.493305.152260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
No it isn't. On what basis do you make that claim? Have you tested it?
HOW do you know it isn't, loubert? You're just mouthing off again.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
27 Feb 2007 12:00:39 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:14:31 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"Ghent" <jabriol@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1172532332.493305.152260@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
No it isn't. On what basis do you make that claim? Have you tested it?
HOW do you know it isn't, loubert?
Because it hasn't been tested, moron.
You're just mouthing off again.
You made a stupid claim, I called you on it.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
27 Feb 2007 05:47:07 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:00:39 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
No it isn't. On what basis do you make that claim? Have you tested it?
HOW do you know it isn't, loubert?
Because it hasn't been tested, moron.
Yet we have God's word. You listen to satan.
You're just mouthing off again.
You made a stupid claim, I called you on it.
But you lost it. We have God's word.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
27 Feb 2007 06:58:12 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:00:39 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
No it isn't. On what basis do you make that claim? Have you tested it?
HOW do you know it isn't, loubert?
Because it hasn't been tested, moron.
Yet we have God's word.
No, you have a book that says it's god's word.
You listen to satan.
I don't listen to anyone.
You're just mouthing off again.
You made a stupid claim, I called you on it.
But you lost it. We have God's word.
No. You have a book that says it's god's word. That's all.
Just like all the other books that make claims about gods.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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28 Feb 2007 05:39:15 PM |
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:58:12 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
No it isn't. On what basis do you make that claim? Have you tested it?
HOW do you know it isn't, loubert?
Because it hasn't been tested, moron.
Yet we have God's word.
No, you have a book that says it's god's word.
And a man witnessed to have walked out of his grave.
You listen to satan.
I don't listen to anyone.
Oh, you listen to satan, loubert.
You're just mouthing off again.
You made a stupid claim, I called you on it.
But you lost it. We have God's word.
No. You have a book that says it's god's word. That's all.
Just like all the other books that make claims about gods.
My guy walked out of his tomb after being dead for 36 hours.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
28 Feb 2007 06:17:22 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:58:12 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
When
answering that question, we have to remember that the Bible is a
book
of prophecy, history, prayer, law, counsel, and knowledge about God.
No it isn't. On what basis do you make that claim? Have you tested it?
HOW do you know it isn't, loubert?
Because it hasn't been tested, moron.
Yet we have God's word.
No, you have a book that says it's god's word.
And a man witnessed to have walked out of his grave.
No. You have a book that says a man walked out of his grave.
You listen to satan.
I don't listen to anyone.
Oh, you listen to satan, loubert.
Nope.
You're just mouthing off again.
You made a stupid claim, I called you on it.
But you lost it. We have God's word.
No. You have a book that says it's god's word. That's all.
Just like all the other books that make claims about gods.
My guy walked out of his tomb after being dead for 36 hours.
All you have is a book that says that.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "duke" |
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01 Mar 2007 05:19:52 PM |
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:17:22 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
No. You have a book that says a man walked out of his grave.
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
01 Mar 2007 07:52:06 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 18:17:22 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
No. You have a book that says a man walked out of his grave.
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
There are no eye witness accounts in your book. We don't even know who wrote
it.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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02 Mar 2007 02:54:45 PM |
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:52:06 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
There are no eye witness accounts in your book. We don't even know who wrote
it.
Of course there are eye witness accounts. They are recorded by the 4 gospels
and the epistles of the NT.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: 2007026 TOBS Science: The Galileo Experiance |
02 Mar 2007 05:05:43 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:52:06 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
There are no eye witness accounts in your book. We don't even know who
wrote
it.
Of course there are eye witness accounts. They are recorded by the 4
gospels
and the epistles of the NT.
Nope. No one knows who wrote those. You're lying again.
--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Mar 2007 07:56:08 AM |
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On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:05:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:52:06 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
There are no eye witness accounts in your book. We don't even know who
wrote
it.
Of course there are eye witness accounts. They are recorded by the 4
gospels
and the epistles of the NT.
Nope. No one knows who wrote those. You're lying again.
And those that supposedly wrote about the AR are no longer around to
substantiate their claims.
What's the difference - 200 years v 2000 years.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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03 Mar 2007 08:41:25 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:56:08 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<uhviu294afjjqs3ul2nr9mv4ls2a6d5oes@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:05:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bn3hu2dfch0ua8666cj5qaq3630htd2b48@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:52:06 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
There are no eye witness accounts in your book. We don't even know who
wrote
it.
Of course there are eye witness accounts. They are recorded by the 4
gospels
and the epistles of the NT.
Nope. No one knows who wrote those. You're lying again.
And those that supposedly wrote about the AR are no longer around to
substantiate their claims.
But we don't just rely on writings from the original participants about
the American Revolution, we also rely on original documentation and
physical evidence. The Bible, as you know, is neither.
What's the difference - 200 years v 2000 years.
No, it's the difference between your lies and honesty. Stop your attempt
to falsely equate physical, historical evidence with religious writings
that cannot be substantiated.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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03 Mar 2007 10:31:19 AM |
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Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:56:08 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<uhviu294afjjqs3ul2nr9mv4ls2a6d5oes@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:05:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bn3hu2dfch0ua8666cj5qaq3630htd2b48@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:52:06 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
There are no eye witness accounts in your book. We don't even know who
wrote
it.
Of course there are eye witness accounts. They are recorded by the 4
gospels
and the epistles of the NT.
Nope. No one knows who wrote those. You're lying again.
And those that supposedly wrote about the AR are no longer around to
substantiate their claims.
But we don't just rely on writings from the original participants about
the American Revolution, we also rely on original documentation and
physical evidence. The Bible, as you know, is neither.
===>Forget it. He knows nothing about the Bible.
All his information comes from the RC Cathecism. -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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03 Mar 2007 12:22:03 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:31:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:56:08 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<uhviu294afjjqs3ul2nr9mv4ls2a6d5oes@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:05:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bn3hu2dfch0ua8666cj5qaq3630htd2b48@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:52:06 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
There are no eye witness accounts in your book. We don't even know who
wrote
it.
Of course there are eye witness accounts. They are recorded by the 4
gospels
and the epistles of the NT.
Nope. No one knows who wrote those. You're lying again.
And those that supposedly wrote about the AR are no longer around to
substantiate their claims.
But we don't just rely on writings from the original participants about
the American Revolution, we also rely on original documentation and
physical evidence. The Bible, as you know, is neither.
===>Forget it. He knows nothing about the Bible.
All his information comes from the RC Cathecism. -- L.
The RC Catechism explains the bible.
duke, American-American
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03 Mar 2007 02:52:19 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 09:31:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Free Lunch wrote:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 07:56:08 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<uhviu294afjjqs3ul2nr9mv4ls2a6d5oes@4ax.com>:
On Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:05:43 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:bn3hu2dfch0ua8666cj5qaq3630htd2b48@4ax.com...
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 19:52:06 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote:
An eye witness account of the day's activities. Courts of law call that
evidence.
There are no eye witness accounts in your book. We don't even know who
wrote
it.
Of course there are eye witness accounts. They are recorded by the 4
gospels
and the epistles of the NT.
Nope. No one knows who wrote those. You're lying again.
And those that supposedly wrote about the AR are no longer around to
substantiate their claims.
But we don't just rely on writings from the original participants about
the American Revolution, we also rely on original documentation and
physical evidence. The Bible, as you know, is neither.
===>Forget it. He knows nothing about the Bible.
All his information comes from the RC Cathecism. -- L.
The RC Catechism explains the bible.
===>It sure does.
From the biased POV of the RCC.
But apparently no one has explained the Cathecism to you, so
you don't seem to understand even that very well. -- L.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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03 Mar 2007 05:36:01 PM |
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Libertarius wrote:
duke wrote:
===>Forget it. He knows nothing about the Bible.
All his information comes from the RC Cathecism. -- L.
The RC Catechism explains the bible.
Ask him how.
===>It sure does.
From the biased POV of the RCC.
But apparently no one has explained the Cathecism to you, so
you don't seem to understand even that very well. -- L.
He didn't go to Catholic schools which means Catecism classes after school.
Nuns would have taught by rote and they learned them by rote. Most likely a
parish priest would drop by once in a while and the nuns would bow to this
man's superior knowledge, which, most likely, would have also been learned
by rote.
He does not understand it and the idea that the catechism "explains" the
bible is a huge stretch.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a3.htm#I makes this clear.
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| User: "duke" |
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04 Mar 2007 08:03:14 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 23:36:01 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
The RC Catechism explains the bible.
Ask him how.
Compare the two.
===>It sure does.
From the biased POV of the RCC.
But apparently no one has explained the Cathecism to you, so
you don't seem to understand even that very well. -- L.
He didn't go to Catholic schools which means Catecism classes after school.
Nuns would have taught by rote and they learned them by rote. Most likely a
parish priest would drop by once in a while and the nuns would bow to this
man's superior knowledge, which, most likely, would have also been learned
by rote.
This from an emt that claims that the heart isn't controlled by tiny electrical
currents. Or that there couldn't have been a biblical flood because of the
partial pressure of air.
He does not understand it and the idea that the catechism "explains" the
bible is a huge stretch.
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p1s1c2a3.htm#I makes this clear.
Well, here's your post from the Catechism- now let's see how it starts off:
1. Oops, Item I states: 102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God
speaks only one single Word, his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself
completely:64
Is emt mikey saying that the Catechism does not address scripture???
2. Oops, item 103 states: For this reason, the Church has always venerated the
Scriptures as she venerates the Lord's Body.
Is emt mikey confused about what the catechism discusses? Oh, yeeaaahhhh!!!
3. Oops, item 105 states: God is the author of Sacred Scripture.
What type of glue is emt mikey sniffing?
*****
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION
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PART ONE
THE PROFESSION OF FAITH
SECTION ONE
"I BELIEVE" - "WE BELIEVE"
CHAPTER TWO
GOD COMES TO MEET MAN
ARTICLE 3
SACRED SCRIPTURE
I. CHRIST - THE UNIQUE WORD OF SACRED SCRIPTURE
101 In order to reveal himself to men, in the condescension of his goodness God
speaks to them in human words: "Indeed the words of God, expressed in the words
of men, are in every way like human language, just as the Word of the eternal
Father, when he took on himself the flesh of human weakness, became like men."63
102 Through all the words of Sacred Scripture, God speaks only one single Word,
his one Utterance in whom he expresses himself completely:64
You recall that one and the same Word of God extends throughout Scripture, that
it is one and the same Utterance that resounds in the mouths of all the sacred
writers, since he who was in the beginning God with God has no need of separate
syllables; for he is not subject to time.65
103 For this reason, the Church has always venerated the Scriptures as she
venerates the Lord's Body. She never ceases to present to the faithful the bread
of life, taken from the one table of God's Word and Christ's Body.66
104 In Sacred Scripture, the Church constantly finds her nourishment and her
strength, for she welcomes it not as a human word, "but as what it really is,
the word of God".67 "In the sacred books, the Father who is in heaven comes
lovingly to meet his children, and talks with them."68
II. INSPIRATION AND TRUTH OF SACRED SCRIPTURE
105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture.
duke, American-American
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04 Mar 2007 07:52:16 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:52:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
The RC Catechism explains the bible.
===>It sure does.
From the biased POV of the RCC.
But apparently no one has explained the Cathecism to you, so
you don't seem to understand even that very well. -- L.
I've seen both, and they are exactly in agreement with each other. Can you
offer a divergence. If so, please present it here for discussion?
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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05 Mar 2007 04:10:31 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:52:19 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
The RC Catechism explains the bible.
===>It sure does.
From the biased POV of the RCC.
But apparently no one has explained the Cathecism to you, so
you don't seem to understand even that very well. -- L.
I've seen both, and they are exactly in agreement with each other. Can you
offer a divergence. If so, please present it here for discussion?
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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===>OK, just some of the topics
# Baptism
# Venerating Statues/Images
# Purgatory
# The Pope: Vicar of Christ
# Virginity of Mary
# Mary as Co-Redeemer (Co-Redemptrix) with Jesus Christ
Do you wish to support these from the Bible, Ms. Duckie?
(FYI: I think as the author of the Bible, the Church has every right
tochange it, add to it,
etc. That is NOT the issueas far as I am concerned) -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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05 Mar 2007 04:30:15 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:10:31 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
The RC Catechism explains the bible.
===>It sure does.
From the biased POV of the RCC.
But apparently no one has explained the Cathecism to you, so
you don't seem to understand even that very well. -- L.
I've seen both, and they are exactly in agreement with each other. Can you
offer a divergence. If so, please present it here for discussion?
===>OK, just some of the topics
# Baptism
# Venerating Statues/Images
# Purgatory
# The Pope: Vicar of Christ
# Virginity of Mary
# Mary as Co-Redeemer (Co-Redemptrix) with Jesus Christ
What about them?
Do you wish to support these from the Bible, Ms. Duckie?
You're kidding, right? Of course I can. I told you - the Catechism explains
the bible.
(FYI: I think as the author of the Bible, the Church has every right
tochange it, add to it,
etc. That is NOT the issueas far as I am concerned) -- L.
It's too late to just go around and change it. The bible as been in existence
in it's current form for 2000 years now.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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05 Mar 2007 05:47:51 PM |
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(Newsgroups de-Webered, since Earl's too full of himself to show any
consideration for anyone he doesn't deem proper)
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:10:31 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
[...]
(FYI: I think as the author of the Bible, the Church has every right
tochange it, add to it,
etc. That is NOT the issueas far as I am concerned) -- L.
It's too late to just go around and change it. The bible as been in existence
in it's current form for 2000 years now.
Drunk again, Earl? I guess the council of Nicaea (which was about four
centuries after the fairy tale you're obsessed with) was convened by people
with your mindset: never mind the facts, just make it look good and make
people believe it even if it's patent *****.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Peoria 4, Houston 1 (March 4)
NEXT GAME: Wednesday, March 7 at Chicago, 7:05
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Mar 2007 05:27:13 AM |
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On 05 Mar 2007 17:47:51 -0600, The Chief Instigator <patrick@eris.io.com> wrote:
It's too late to just go around and change it. The bible as been in existence
in it's current form for 2000 years now.
Drunk again, Earl? I guess the council of Nicaea (which was about four
centuries after the fairy tale you're obsessed with) was convened by people
with your mindset: never mind the facts, just make it look good and make
people believe it even if it's patent *****.
No, but you might be.
So tell everybody the "facts". The way I see it, you are called to explain in 2
areas:
1. The Creed.
2. The books in the book.
Please proceed.
duke, American-American
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