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"J Young" |
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17 Nov 2005 12:36:16 AM |
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21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
This is not a J Young original but it is on the money.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articles/article.html?id=9365
21 Ways to be a Good Democrat
You have to . be against capital punishment, but support abortion on demand.
.. believe that businesses create oppression and governments create
opportunity.
.. believe that guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens are more of a
threat than U.S. nuclear weapons technology in the hands of Chinese and
North Korean communists.
.. believe that there was no art before federal funding.
.. believe that global temperatures are less affected by cyclical documented
changes in the earth's climate and more affected by soccer moms driving
SUVs.
.. believe that gender roles are artificial, but being homosexual is natural.
.. believe that the AIDS virus is spread by a lack of federal funding.
.. believe that the same teacher who can't teach 4th-graders how to read is
somehow qualified to teach those same kids about sex.
.. believe that hunters don't care about nature, but loony activists, who
have never been outside of San Francisco, do.
.. believe that self-esteem is more important that actually doing something
to earn it.
.. believe that Mel Gibson spent $25 million of is on money to make The
Passion of The Christ for financial gain only.
.. believe that the NRA is bad because it support certain parts of the
Constitution, while the ACLU is good because it supports certain parts of
the Constitution.
.. believe that taxes are too low, but ATM fees are too high.
.. believe that Margaret Sanger and Gloria Steinem are more important to
American history than Thomas Jefferson, Gen. Robert E. Lee and Thomas
Edison.
.. believe that standardized tests are racist but quotas and set-asides are
not.
.. believe that Hillary Clinton is normal and a very nice person.
.. believe that the only reason socialism hasn't worked anywhere in history
that it's been tried is because the right people haven't been in charge.
.. believe conservatives telling the truth belong in jail, but a liar and a
sex offender belonged in the White House.
.. believe that homosexual parades displaying drag, transvestites, and
bestiality should be constitutionally protected, and manger scenes at
Christmas should be illegal.
.. believe that illegal Democratic Party funding by the Chinese government is
somehow in the best interest of the United States.
.. believe that this message is part of a vast, right-wing conspiracy.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 10:24:16 AM |
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In <xMyff.23106$AZ3.424112@wagner.videotron.net>, Olrik
<olrik666@yahoo_BACON!_.com> wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying
"best in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We do
have one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's true.
But our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting millions
fall out of the system is insane. We're accumulating a "breeding ground"
for new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic health
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to
do. It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequences
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
Excellent post, Mark.
For cutting edge treatments, the USA is great (I'm canadian, BTW). But for
day-to-day care, prevention and common procedures and surgery, I prefer
our system : there are no worries, no forms to fill, no reclamations, no
fights with the insurance company about coverage, etc. Show your card, and
you're in.
Our system is not perfect of course. The most common beef is that
sometimes you have to wait a bit for some treatments.
People down here like to make a great deal about "rationing" up there.
What they neglect (of course) is we ration. We do. Something upwards of 50
*million people are without insurance now. I have no idea how many are
under-insured. But we're rationing. Those without or with too little delay
procedures and treatments, skip prescriptions, such things. It's rationing
but in the worst possible way in terms of the nation's general health.
Hell, lately, people down here can't even get a *flu *shot...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
20 Nov 2005 07:37:08 AM |
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Mark K. Bilbo <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
Hell, lately, people down here can't even get a *flu *shot...
Flu shots are a scam, didn't you know that?
--
Elroy Willis
www.elroysemporium.com
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 12:45:37 AM |
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Olrik wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying "best
in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We do have
one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's true. But
our
preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting millions fall out
of the system is insane. We're accumulating a "breeding ground" for new
epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic health
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to do.
It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequences
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
Excellent post, Mark.
For cutting edge treatments, the USA is great (I'm canadian, BTW). But
for day-to-day care, prevention and common procedures and surgery, I
prefer our system : there are no worries, no forms to fill, no
reclamations, no fights with the insurance company about coverage, etc.
Show your card, and you're in.
I hear you, I just spent three weeks waiting on my insurance to cover a
drug I needed, Baruch Hashem my condition isn't life threatening. My
insurance company? The US military.
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| User: "olrik666" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 01:00:18 AM |
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Mimi Cohen wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying "best
in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We do have
one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's true. But
our
preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting millions fall out
of the system is insane. We're accumulating a "breeding ground" for new
epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic health
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to do.
It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequences
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
Excellent post, Mark.
For cutting edge treatments, the USA is great (I'm canadian, BTW). But
for day-to-day care, prevention and common procedures and surgery, I
prefer our system : there are no worries, no forms to fill, no
reclamations, no fights with the insurance company about coverage, etc.
Show your card, and you're in.
I hear you, I just spent three weeks waiting on my insurance to cover a
drug I needed, Baruch Hashem my condition isn't life threatening. My
insurance company? The US military.
I don't know what "Baruch Hashem" means.
And I have no clue why the US military is, or should be, your insurance
company.
What a bizarre country...
Olrik
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| User: "Mimi Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 09:43:15 AM |
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olrik666 wrote:
Mimi Cohen wrote:
Olrik wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying "best
in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We do have
one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's true. But
our
preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting millions fall out
of the system is insane. We're accumulating a "breeding ground" for new
epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic health
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to do.
It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequences
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
Excellent post, Mark.
For cutting edge treatments, the USA is great (I'm canadian, BTW). But
for day-to-day care, prevention and common procedures and surgery, I
prefer our system : there are no worries, no forms to fill, no
reclamations, no fights with the insurance company about coverage, etc.
Show your card, and you're in.
I hear you, I just spent three weeks waiting on my insurance to cover a
drug I needed, Baruch Hashem my condition isn't life threatening. My
insurance company? The US military.
I don't know what "Baruch Hashem" means.
It's somewhat like Thank goodness :)
And I have no clue why the US military is, or should be, your insurance
company.
Because my husband served active duty for 22 years in the US Navy.
What a bizarre country...
sadly, true.
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| User: "towelie" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
18 Nov 2005 11:41:32 PM |
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TV's Olrik wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying
"best in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We
do have one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's
true. But our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting
millions fall out of the system is insane. We're accumulating a
"breeding ground" for new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic health
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to
do. It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequences
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
Excellent post, Mark.
For cutting edge treatments, the USA is great (I'm canadian, BTW). But
for day-to-day care, prevention and common procedures and surgery, I
prefer our system : there are no worries, no forms to fill, no
reclamations, no fights with the insurance company about coverage, etc.
Show your card, and you're in.
Our system is not perfect of course. The most common beef is that
sometimes you have to wait a bit for some treatments.
If the US had a decent medical care system, I probably wouldn't be going
through the hell I'm going through right now being unmedicated during a
severe depressive state, and would most likely be contributing to society
rather than wasting away unemployed. No money + no insurance = pain and
suffering.
--
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 08:21:27 AM |
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"towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:k-SdndCfJreBJuPenZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@centurytel.net:
TV's Olrik wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying
"best in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away.
We do have one of the best emergency care systems on the planet,
that's true. But our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And
letting millions fall out of the system is insane. We're
accumulating a "breeding ground" for new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized).
Child care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic
health care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane
thing to do. It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy
people in your population is asking for deadly consequences for
everybody. Consequences that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not
be able to save you from.
Excellent post, Mark.
For cutting edge treatments, the USA is great (I'm canadian, BTW).
But for day-to-day care, prevention and common procedures and
surgery, I prefer our system : there are no worries, no forms to
fill, no reclamations, no fights with the insurance company about
coverage, etc. Show your card, and you're in.
Our system is not perfect of course. The most common beef is that
sometimes you have to wait a bit for some treatments.
If the US had a decent medical care system, I probably wouldn't be
going through the hell I'm going through right now being unmedicated
during a severe depressive state, and would most likely be
contributing to society rather than wasting away unemployed. No money
+ no insurance = pain and suffering.
Have you tried to find free (charitable) psychiatric services?
I know that they're available in Ohio.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"I actually think what we learned during the inspection
made Iraq a more dangerous place, potentially, than,
in fact, we thought it was even before the war." -- David Kay
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6075
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 02:46:12 PM |
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In <k-SdndCfJreBJuPenZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@centurytel.net>, "towelie"
<bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
TV's Olrik wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying
"best in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We
do have one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's
true. But our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting
millions fall out of the system is insane. We're accumulating a
"breeding ground" for new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic
health care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane
thing to do. It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people
in your population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody.
Consequences that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save
you from.
Excellent post, Mark.
For cutting edge treatments, the USA is great (I'm canadian, BTW). But
for day-to-day care, prevention and common procedures and surgery, I
prefer our system : there are no worries, no forms to fill, no
reclamations, no fights with the insurance company about coverage, etc.
Show your card, and you're in.
Our system is not perfect of course. The most common beef is that
sometimes you have to wait a bit for some treatments.
If the US had a decent medical care system, I probably wouldn't be going
through the hell I'm going through right now being unmedicated during a
severe depressive state, and would most likely be contributing to society
rather than wasting away unemployed. No money + no insurance = pain and
suffering.
Check your email.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Velvet Elvis" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 10:34:13 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:41:32 -0600, "towelie" <bugoNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
If the US had a decent medical care system, I probably wouldn't be going
through the hell I'm going through right now being unmedicated during a
severe depressive state, and would most likely be contributing to society
rather than wasting away unemployed. No money + no insurance = pain and
suffering.
Are you aware that most drug companies have what's known as Indigent Drug
Programs? They will provide drugs to patients who are in dire financial
straits.
Here's one link I googled:
http://www.parkinsonswellness.org/indigent.html
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| User: "olrik666" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 12:35:27 AM |
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towelie wrote:
TV's Olrik wrote:
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying
"best in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We
do have one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's
true. But our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting
millions fall out of the system is insane. We're accumulating a
"breeding ground" for new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic heal=
th
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to
do. It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequenc=
es
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
Excellent post, Mark.
For cutting edge treatments, the USA is great (I'm canadian, BTW). But
for day-to-day care, prevention and common procedures and surgery, I
prefer our system : there are no worries, no forms to fill, no
reclamations, no fights with the insurance company about coverage, etc.
Show your card, and you're in.
Our system is not perfect of course. The most common beef is that
sometimes you have to wait a bit for some treatments.
If the US had a decent medical care system, I probably wouldn't be going
through the hell I'm going through right now being unmedicated during a
severe depressive state, and would most likely be contributing to society
rather than wasting away unemployed. No money + no insurance =3D pain and
suffering.
That's a shame.
In Qu=E9bec, not only do we have universal health coverage, we also have
a mandatory (that's a word that could send shivers down some people's
spine!) medication insurance. That means that instead of paying, say,
100 $ for a prescription, you pay only a fraction of it. And I'm
*happy* to partly pay for the difference!
Olrik
--=20
aa #2133
ap #19
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 12:21:03 AM |
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On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:22:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying "best
in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We do have
one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's true. But our
preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting millions fall out
of the system is insane. We're accumulating a "breeding ground" for new
epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic health
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to do.
It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequences
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
This is true. As usual, the liberals support the most effective
process because they are smart enough to look at the whole picture.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 10:01:01 AM |
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In <439fc3b2.353932078@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:22:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying "best
in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We do have
one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's true. But
our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting millions fall
out of the system is insane. We're accumulating a "breeding ground" for
new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic health
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to do.
It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequences
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
This is true. As usual, the liberals support the most effective process
because they are smart enough to look at the whole picture.
Personally, I don't bother much anymore with the labels ("liberal,"
"conservative," whatever) nor the ideologies. We actually have enough
information and examples to evaluate what actually works and what does
not. My questions involve such things as what's the goal of the system and
what's the most cost effective way to get there.
This is, after all, one of the few issues that really *is* "life or
death." It's in the self-interest of everybody in the country to consider
what *works. Not what ideology is popular this week.
And the truth is, the much maligned "socialized health care" is working in
a number of countries. Working in the sense of delivery basic health care
to the greatest number of people.
The dirty big (not at all little) secret of our system is that it's
working also. But the goal is not to deliver health care but obscene
profits to a few. While I find nothing inherently wrong with profit, when
it comes to the health and life of myself and mine, I get pissed.
Ideology won't ward off disease. If we continue to let the health of our
population in general decline, we're risking pandemic.
Simply put, I don't care how rich and Republican you are nor how great
your health insurance is, you're at risk right along with the rest of us.
Viruses don't check your bank balance, don't check your insurance card,
don't flee ideology. They just infect you and can sometimes kill you quite
dead.
You'd *think the idiot rich in this country would be *demanding universal
basic care. Do they want to be surrounded by sick people? Just how dense
*are these people?
One quick example of our stupidity and short sightedness:
Between the concentration of wealth in the hands of "seniors" (and they
hold the bulk of the nation's wealth) and systems such as Medicare (just
expanded by a "conservative" no less), the system is being pulled toward
life extension. Expensive procedures and treatments that maybe can add a
few weeks or months at the end of a life.
There's nothing inherently bad about that except when we *then ignore the
other end. Several of the health care worker types in my family have
pointed out that universal, free inoculation of the children in the US
would be a cheap, effective, long term health care strategy. Early action
would yield enormous savings in the long run.
You could go further. Universal, basic care for children. The biggest
indicator of health later in life is health is childhood. In the long run,
the pay off would be *huge. It'd be a long term investment in the future
of the nation so I guess that would be bad thing...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 10:33:01 AM |
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On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <439fc3b2.353932078@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:22:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying "best
in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We do have
one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's true. But
our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting millions fall
out of the system is insane. We're accumulating a "breeding ground" for
new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic health
care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane thing to do.
It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people in your
population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody. Consequences
that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save you from.
This is true. As usual, the liberals support the most effective process
because they are smart enough to look at the whole picture.
Personally, I don't bother much anymore with the labels ("liberal,"
"conservative," whatever) nor the ideologies. We actually have enough
information and examples to evaluate what actually works and what does
not. My questions involve such things as what's the goal of the system and
what's the most cost effective way to get there.
This is, after all, one of the few issues that really *is* "life or
death." It's in the self-interest of everybody in the country to consider
what *works. Not what ideology is popular this week.
And the truth is, the much maligned "socialized health care" is working in
a number of countries. Working in the sense of delivery basic health care
to the greatest number of people.
The dirty big (not at all little) secret of our system is that it's
working also. But the goal is not to deliver health care but obscene
profits to a few. While I find nothing inherently wrong with profit, when
it comes to the health and life of myself and mine, I get pissed.
Ideology won't ward off disease. If we continue to let the health of our
population in general decline, we're risking pandemic.
Simply put, I don't care how rich and Republican you are nor how great
your health insurance is, you're at risk right along with the rest of us.
Viruses don't check your bank balance, don't check your insurance card,
don't flee ideology. They just infect you and can sometimes kill you quite
dead.
You'd *think the idiot rich in this country would be *demanding universal
basic care. Do they want to be surrounded by sick people? Just how dense
*are these people?
One quick example of our stupidity and short sightedness:
Between the concentration of wealth in the hands of "seniors" (and they
hold the bulk of the nation's wealth) and systems such as Medicare (just
expanded by a "conservative" no less), the system is being pulled toward
life extension. Expensive procedures and treatments that maybe can add a
few weeks or months at the end of a life.
There's nothing inherently bad about that except when we *then ignore the
other end. Several of the health care worker types in my family have
pointed out that universal, free inoculation of the children in the US
would be a cheap, effective, long term health care strategy. Early action
would yield enormous savings in the long run.
You could go further. Universal, basic care for children. The biggest
indicator of health later in life is health is childhood. In the long run,
the pay off would be *huge. It'd be a long term investment in the future
of the nation so I guess that would be bad thing...
All governmental services are socialist.
socialist fire protection
socialist roads
socialist police protection
socialist libraries
socialist universities
socialist military protection
socialist house ownership promotion
socialist business ownership promotion
Why does it bother the idiots so much that health care is better run
than the current socialist process of only providing extremely
expensive socialist emergency health care?
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19 Nov 2005 02:44:21 PM |
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In <43a952d2.390571671@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <439fc3b2.353932078@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:22:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying
"best in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We
do have one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's
true. But our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting
millions fall out of the system is insane. We're accumulating a
"breeding ground" for new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic
health care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane
thing to do. It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people
in your population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody.
Consequences that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save
you from.
This is true. As usual, the liberals support the most effective
process because they are smart enough to look at the whole picture.
Personally, I don't bother much anymore with the labels ("liberal,"
"conservative," whatever) nor the ideologies. We actually have enough
information and examples to evaluate what actually works and what does
not. My questions involve such things as what's the goal of the system
and what's the most cost effective way to get there.
This is, after all, one of the few issues that really *is* "life or
death." It's in the self-interest of everybody in the country to consider
what *works. Not what ideology is popular this week.
And the truth is, the much maligned "socialized health care" is working
in a number of countries. Working in the sense of delivery basic health
care to the greatest number of people.
The dirty big (not at all little) secret of our system is that it's
working also. But the goal is not to deliver health care but obscene
profits to a few. While I find nothing inherently wrong with profit, when
it comes to the health and life of myself and mine, I get pissed.
Ideology won't ward off disease. If we continue to let the health of our
population in general decline, we're risking pandemic.
Simply put, I don't care how rich and Republican you are nor how great
your health insurance is, you're at risk right along with the rest of us.
Viruses don't check your bank balance, don't check your insurance card,
don't flee ideology. They just infect you and can sometimes kill you
quite dead.
You'd *think the idiot rich in this country would be *demanding universal
basic care. Do they want to be surrounded by sick people? Just how dense
*are these people?
One quick example of our stupidity and short sightedness:
Between the concentration of wealth in the hands of "seniors" (and they
hold the bulk of the nation's wealth) and systems such as Medicare (just
expanded by a "conservative" no less), the system is being pulled toward
life extension. Expensive procedures and treatments that maybe can add a
few weeks or months at the end of a life.
There's nothing inherently bad about that except when we *then ignore the
other end. Several of the health care worker types in my family have
pointed out that universal, free inoculation of the children in the US
would be a cheap, effective, long term health care strategy. Early action
would yield enormous savings in the long run.
You could go further. Universal, basic care for children. The biggest
indicator of health later in life is health is childhood. In the long
run, the pay off would be *huge. It'd be a long term investment in the
future of the nation so I guess that would be bad thing...
All governmental services are socialist.
socialist fire protection
socialist roads
socialist police protection
socialist libraries
socialist universities
socialist military protection
socialist house ownership promotion
socialist business ownership promotion
Why does it bother the idiots so much that health care is better run than
the current socialist process of only providing extremely expensive
socialist emergency health care?
Leave it to the US to combine the worst aspects of socialism with the
worst aspects of capitalism...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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19 Nov 2005 10:39:07 AM |
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In <43a952d2.390571671@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:01 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <439fc3b2.353932078@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:22:27 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In <BFA32BA7.92B0A%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Except it fails on almost every front. People like you keep *saying
"best in the world" but that's just a mantra to keep reality away. We
do have one of the best emergency care systems on the planet, that's
true. But our preventative and basic care is a disaster. And letting
millions fall out of the system is insane. We're accumulating a
"breeding ground" for new epidemics.
Elective surgery--which is highly profitable--is booming as is life
extension for the elderly (well over half the country's wealth is
concentrated in their hands *and they are government subsidized). Child
care and basic care are imploding.
We're going to pay one way or the other.
It's idiots like you that can't figure out that not only is basic
health care for everybody the *right thing to do but it's the *sane
thing to do. It's self-defense. Having a large pool of unhealthy people
in your population is asking for deadly consequences for everybody.
Consequences that even the wealth of Bill Gates may not be able to save
you from.
This is true. As usual, the liberals support the most effective
process because they are smart enough to look at the whole picture.
Personally, I don't bother much anymore with the labels ("liberal,"
"conservative," whatever) nor the ideologies. We actually have enough
information and examples to evaluate what actually works and what does
not. My questions involve such things as what's the goal of the system
and what's the most cost effective way to get there.
This is, after all, one of the few issues that really *is* "life or
death." It's in the self-interest of everybody in the country to consider
what *works. Not what ideology is popular this week.
And the truth is, the much maligned "socialized health care" is working
in a number of countries. Working in the sense of delivery basic health
care to the greatest number of people.
The dirty big (not at all little) secret of our system is that it's
working also. But the goal is not to deliver health care but obscene
profits to a few. While I find nothing inherently wrong with profit, when
it comes to the health and life of myself and mine, I get pissed.
Ideology won't ward off disease. If we continue to let the health of our
population in general decline, we're risking pandemic.
Simply put, I don't care how rich and Republican you are nor how great
your health insurance is, you're at risk right along with the rest of us.
Viruses don't check your bank balance, don't check your insurance card,
don't flee ideology. They just infect you and can sometimes kill you
quite dead.
You'd *think the idiot rich in this country would be *demanding universal
basic care. Do they want to be surrounded by sick people? Just how dense
*are these people?
One quick example of our stupidity and short sightedness:
Between the concentration of wealth in the hands of "seniors" (and they
hold the bulk of the nation's wealth) and systems such as Medicare (just
expanded by a "conservative" no less), the system is being pulled toward
life extension. Expensive procedures and treatments that maybe can add a
few weeks or months at the end of a life.
There's nothing inherently bad about that except when we *then ignore the
other end. Several of the health care worker types in my family have
pointed out that universal, free inoculation of the children in the US
would be a cheap, effective, long term health care strategy. Early action
would yield enormous savings in the long run.
You could go further. Universal, basic care for children. The biggest
indicator of health later in life is health is childhood. In the long
run, the pay off would be *huge. It'd be a long term investment in the
future of the nation so I guess that would be bad thing...
All governmental services are socialist.
socialist fire protection
socialist roads
socialist police protection
socialist libraries
socialist universities
socialist military protection
socialist house ownership promotion
socialist business ownership promotion
Why does it bother the idiots so much that health care is better run than
the current socialist process of only providing extremely expensive
socialist emergency health care?
Not to mention Medicare and Social Security. Two of the biggest income
transfer programs in history.
So, like any good conservative, Bush followed the lead of LBJ and
*expanded Medicare!
(Some days, it's like living in a Dali painting)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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19 Nov 2005 02:43:51 PM |
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All governmental services are socialist.
socialist fire protection socialist roads socialist police protection
socialist libraries socialist universities socialist military protection
socialist house ownership promotion socialist business ownership promotion
Why does it bother the idiots so much that health care is better run than the
current socialist process of only providing extremely expensive socialist
emergency health care?
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Not to mention Medicare and Social Security. Two of the biggest income
transfer programs in history.
So, like any good conservative, Bush followed the lead of LBJ and *expanded
Medicare!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Lead! Do you really think "great society" LBJ was a conservative?
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
Iglesia ni Cristo A CULT
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/i20.html#cult
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Nov 2005 02:55:47 PM |
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In <BFA4F8B6.9367D%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
All governmental services are socialist.
socialist fire protection socialist roads socialist police protection
socialist libraries socialist universities socialist military
protection socialist house ownership promotion socialist business
ownership promotion
Why does it bother the idiots so much that health care is better run
than the current socialist process of only providing extremely
expensive socialist emergency health care?
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Not to mention Medicare and Social Security. Two of the biggest income
transfer programs in history.
So, like any good conservative, Bush followed the lead of LBJ and
*expanded Medicare!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Lead! Do you really think "great society" LBJ was a conservative?
Bush and the Republicans pushed through the biggest expansion of the
federal welfare state since LBJ. Do you really think that's conservative
behavior?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Andrealphus" |
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19 Nov 2005 03:17:02 PM |
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In News BFA4F8B6.9367D%chenault@mindspring.com,, georgann at
chenault@mindspring.com, typed this:
All governmental services are socialist.
socialist fire protection socialist roads socialist police
protection socialist libraries socialist universities socialist
military protection socialist house ownership promotion socialist
business ownership promotion
Why does it bother the idiots so much that health care is better
run than the current socialist process of only providing extremely
expensive socialist emergency health care?
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
Not to mention Medicare and Social Security. Two of the biggest
income transfer programs in history.
So, like any good conservative, Bush followed the lead of LBJ and
*expanded Medicare!
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Lead! Do you really think "great society" LBJ was a conservative?
On some issues, yes, he was quite conservative. On other issues he was
liberal. In terms of some certain social programs he was either
moderate, or liberal, (Remember Bob Dole also was not only for some of the
same programs, but actually wrote, or co-wrote the legislation that brought
those programs into being, WICK for one example, and people don't generally
argue that Dole was anything but Conservative.) One the other hand, in
terms of Vietnam, the environment, big businss, and certain other fiscal
issues, Johnson was quite conservative. You couldn't really pigeonhole
Johnson into one camp or the other. At least not honestly.
--
Question with boldness even the existence of god; because if there be
one, he must more approve the homage of reason than that of blindfolded
fear. - Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "655321" |
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18 Nov 2005 08:54:32 PM |
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On 2005-11-18 03:56:40 -0800, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> said:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Inly in the fields of technology, innovation, and perhaps talent... and
not by much in any of those counts.
In the field of *service* to all citizens? Not by a long shot.
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --
"Genocide is used sparingly by God in only extreme circumstances." -Jim Spaza
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| User: "georgann" |
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19 Nov 2005 05:57:58 AM |
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Health care in the US is the best in the world
655321 wrote:
Inly in the fields of technology, innovation, and perhaps talent... and not by
much in any of those counts.
In the field of *service* to all citizens? Not by a long shot.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Are you of the impression that one of the inalienable rights that comes with
being an American is "service" in any particular field?
Besides, we don't have an access or service problem in health care but an
insurance cost problem. As all health related insurance costs escalate
through the roof, to the extent that some health care individuals are
getting out (can't afford their malpractice though never having been sued)
insurance companies hold and control of more dollars in the US than banks.
What's wrong with this picture?
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
Iglesia ni Cristo A CULT
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/i20.html#cult
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Nov 2005 10:59:36 AM |
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In <BFA47D75.932DE%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
655321 wrote:
Inly in the fields of technology, innovation, and perhaps talent... and
not by much in any of those counts.
In the field of *service* to all citizens? Not by a long shot.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Are you of the impression that one of the inalienable rights that comes
with being an American is "service" in any particular field?
Besides, we don't have an access or service problem in health care but an
insurance cost problem. As all health related insurance costs escalate
through the roof, to the extent that some health care individuals are
getting out (can't afford their malpractice though never having been sued)
insurance companies hold and control of more dollars in the US than banks.
What's wrong with this picture?
That you either are abysmally ignorant or willfully lying.
Malpractice costs are *not that big a factor in this. Malpractice costs
are a very small fraction of health care expense. Lawsuits are *not
spiralling out of control. Studies show they've held relatively constant
for years. Decades even.
Malpractice insurance is *not being driven up by lawsuits nearly so much
as that the system is screwy. Doctors pay the same whether they're good
doctors who never get sued or bad doctors who shouldn't even have licenses.
The first step toward reducing malpractice costs in health care is a
system like every other insurance on the planet: risk based.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Nov 2005 11:01:01 AM |
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In <2005111818542775249%DipthotDipthot@YahooYahooComCom>, 655321
<DipthotDipthot@Yahoo.Yahoo.Com.Com> wrote:
On 2005-11-18 03:56:40 -0800, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> said:
Health care in the US is the best in the world
Inly in the fields of technology, innovation, and perhaps talent... and
not by much in any of those counts.
And give us a few years and we won't even have that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "655321" |
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19 Nov 2005 05:29:05 PM |
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On 2005-11-18 03:56:40 -0800, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com> said:
It is NOT the inability of people to receive this care but the costs
that are the problem.
This sounds almost Orwellian...
Cost *IS* a factor in one's "ability to receive" health care.
--
GlennGlenn (655321) -- aa#825 --
"Genocide is used sparingly by God in only extreme circumstances." -Jim Spaza
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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18 Nov 2005 08:33:56 PM |
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georgann wrote:
Kate wrote:
Yeah, because obviously you don't want to shoulder part of the
burden, you just want to say you did.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Am I to assume you are among the lesser (perhaps non) taxpayers who
would benefit unfairly from taxpayer funded health care? Certainly
you're not suggesting I'm in the higher tax brackets, are you?
MarkA wrote:
FYI, georgann, virtually everyone in America gets the *emergency*
health care they need. It is illegal for a hospital ER to turn
someone out in the street to die, just because they have no money.
We all pay for those services. The question is whether it would be
more cost effective to provide *preventive* care for people with no
money, so they don't have to wait until their problems are more
severe (and expensive). Some people believe that if the insurance
companies took the money they spend to figure out who not to insure,
and just insured everyone across the board, overall costs would be
lower, and quality would be higher. Certainly, the current system
needs a major overhaul.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Without disagreeing about the emergency room scenario, I strongly
disagree with the idea that the current system needs a major
overhaul. Health care in the US is the best in the world but the
inability of individuals to secure individual health care plans at
reasonable (group) rates is scandalous.
Access to this excellent health care has never been at issue. It is
NOT the inability of people to receive this care but the costs that
are the problem.
The cost is what keeps millions away from *any* care until it becomes an
emergency.
Then they call us and are transported to the hospital because they are
sick.
They may spend a few days in the hospital but since they have no insurance
and no money they are released as soon as it is legally possible. It's not
uncommon to end up at the same house a week later to return them to the
hospital because the condition they went in with is much worse.
A two day stay in the hospital can easily go well over 10k and since most
minimum wage people can't afford insurance this can put them on the street.
That's 10 k if you don't have insurance. The insurance companies pay much
less.
Access to health care has never been an issue for the upper middle and above
class but it has been to everybody else.
But it's hitting the upper income people now. A few years ago the staff at
the health center of a local university was comnplaining about the cost and
limitations of their plans. Now many of the docs in private practice are
complaining.
And the costs are driven by the lack of tort reform,
physicians being forced to practice extremely defensive medicine and
a congress (many/most? of whom are attorneys) unwilling to take on
tort reform - limiting the awards in suits against pharmaceutical
companies and physicians. Insurance companies offer plans to the
largest groups because of their history but even that is changing as
the costs of large group plans are becoming so expensive that it
actually puts downward pressure on employment.
Limit the awards and you continue to allow them to practice bad medicine.
As our society continues to realize a massive growth in small
businesses (part of the American Dream) and the shrinking of larger,
inefficient corporations or manufacturing businesses as technology
permits, the pressure is on to bring individual health care plans
into the affordable range. This will require tort reform and a
requirement that insurers permit individuals to purchase into a plan
of their choice at the same cost as a large group.
Wow. "Massive growth in small business." There is a parallel universe.
We don't need to make physicians indentured servants in order to
accomplish our goals.
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19 Nov 2005 05:48:42 AM |
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And the costs are driven by the lack of tort reform, physicians being forced
to practice extremely defensive medicine and a congress (many/most? of whom
are attorneys) unwilling to take on tort reform - limiting the awards in
suits against pharmaceutical companies and physicians. Insurance companies
offer plans to the largest groups because of their history but even that is
changing as the costs of large group plans are becoming so expensive that it
actually puts downward pressure on employment.
Mike Painter wrote:
Limit the awards and you continue to allow them to practice bad medicine.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No you don't. Limiting liability suits and particularly the size of awards
only removes the incentive for lawyers who make a millionaire's living at
milking sympathetic juries who think sticking it to the insurance companies
doesn't hurt the system.
--
(`'·.¸(`'·.¸(`'·.¸ ¸.·'´)¸.·'´)¸.·'´)
«´¨`·.¸¸ ¸¸.·´¨ `»
Iglesia ni Cristo A CULT
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/i20.html#cult
(¸.·'´(¸.·'´(¸.·'´ `'·.¸)`'·.¸)`'·.¸)
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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20 Nov 2005 11:00:31 AM |
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In <BFA47B49.932D9%chenault@mindspring.com>, georgann
<chenault@mindspring.com> wrote:
And the costs are driven by the lack of tort reform, physicians being
forced to practice extremely defensive medicine and a congress
(many/most? of whom are attorneys) unwilling to take on tort reform -
limiting the awards in suits against pharmaceutical companies and
physicians. Insurance companies offer plans to the largest groups
because of their history but even that is changing as the costs of
large group plans are becoming so expensive that it actually puts
downward pressure on employment.
Mike Painter wrote:
Limit the awards and you continue to allow them to practice bad
medicine.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
No you don't. Limiting liability suits and particularly the size of
awards only removes the incentive for lawyers who make a millionaire's
living at milking sympathetic juries who think sticking it to the
insurance companies doesn't hurt the system.
Except that is nothing but propaganda from the insurance corporations who
are making the obscene profits.
Damn, you'll fall for anything a rich person tells you won't you?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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| User: "Kate " |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
19 Nov 2005 12:19:01 AM |
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On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:11:07 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
. Ninure Saunders wrote:
Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only a democrat couldn't know this is true.
Mike Painter wrote:
Caring for others is a christian saying but doing it is not.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
How did making taxpayers financially responsible for everyone's health care
become synonymous with "caring"?
Kate wrote:
Yeah, because obviously you don't want to shoulder part of the burden, you
just want to say you did.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Am I to assume you are among the lesser (perhaps non) taxpayers who would
benefit unfairly from taxpayer funded health care? Certainly you're not
suggesting I'm in the higher tax brackets, are you?
Non sequituer.
I assume that you are complaining about paying for healthcare for
those who can't because you don't want to pay for that because someone
somewhere might get something they don't deserve and that's more
important to you than making sure those that need it get it.
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| User: "georgann" |
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20 Nov 2005 06:00:22 AM |
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Kate wrote:
Yeah, because obviously you don't want to shoulder part of the burden, you
just want to say you did.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Am I to assume you are among the lesser (perhaps non) taxpayers who would
benefit unfairly from taxpayer funded health care? Certainly you're not
suggesting I'm in the higher tax brackets, are you?
Kate wrote:
Non sequituer. I assume that you are complaining about paying for healthcare
for those who can't because you don't want to pay for that because someone
somewhere might get something they don't deserve and that's more important to
you than making sure those that need it get it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You assume too much and very incorrectly.
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http://www.apologeticsindex.org/i20.html#cult
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| User: "Kate " |
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20 Nov 2005 09:53:02 PM |
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On Sun, 20 Nov 2005 12:00:22 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
Kate wrote:
Yeah, because obviously you don't want to shoulder part of the burden, you
just want to say you did.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Am I to assume you are among the lesser (perhaps non) taxpayers who would
benefit unfairly from taxpayer funded health care? Certainly you're not
suggesting I'm in the higher tax brackets, are you?
Kate wrote:
Non sequituer. I assume that you are complaining about paying for healthcare
for those who can't because you don't want to pay for that because someone
somewhere might get something they don't deserve and that's more important to
you than making sure those that need it get it.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
You assume too much and very incorrectly.
LOL, I doubt it - unless it's just because you don't give a ***** about
others unless you have some power over them.
you have no humility georgann. You've never demonstrated it and
you've never demonstrated that you care about others.
Its pretty sad.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 21 Ways to be a Good Democrat |
20 Nov 2005 10:37:17 AM |
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In <439ec282.353628265@news-west.newscene.com>, (Kate
) wrote:
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 21:11:07 GMT, georgann <chenault@mindspring.com>
wrote:
. Ninure Saunders wrote:
Providing health care to all Americans is socialism.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Only a democrat couldn't know this is true.
Mike Painter wrote:
Caring for others is a christian saying but doing it is not.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
How did making taxpayers financially responsible for everyone's health
care become synonymous with "caring"?
Kate wrote:
Yeah, because obviously you don't want to shoulder part of the burden,
you just want to say you did.
georgann (forgiven since 33 AD) wrote:
Am I to assume you are among the lesser (perhaps non) taxpayers who would
benefit unfairly from taxpayer funded health care? Certainly you're not
suggesting I'm in the higher tax brackets, are you?
Non sequituer.
I assume that you are complaining about paying for healthcare for those
who can't because you don't want to pay for that because someone somewhere
might get something they don't deserve and that's more important to you
than making sure those that need it get it.
Absolutely. Her every complaint has the obvious undercurrent that she
doesn't want to do ***** for nobody.
(As Jesus commanded)
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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Forgotten Already
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H1233272C
Feds are treating Louisiana like enemy
"...it may be that they may have written us off."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O21E51C1C
http://www.nola.com
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