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Religions > Atheism |
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"Jon Skinner" |
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17 Oct 2005 08:50:49 AM |
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24 years and counting |
The longest running religious debate of my life started in 1981 when a
bloke I was sharing a house with started telling me all about "The End
Times" prophecised in the bible. He and I have been at each other's
theological throats ever since, though strangely, we became, and remain
good friends.
In the time I've known him I've seen him go from rabid True Believer,
through mild luke-warm believer, to vaguely agnostic believer.
Today he came to see me and told me that he'd recently had a blazing
argument with his deeply religious parents about his apostasy, and was
looking for some ammunition to use against them. He was especially
interested in the pagan origins of Christianity - a subject that I'd
harangued him with many times over the years.
Thing is - I couldn't find anything to give him. All the stuff I'd
collected from various websites has long since been trashed, crashed, or
otherwise lost; old links no longer work; and I've forgotten the names
and sites where they came from.
There's a couple of lists in particular I wanted to find:
One was a list of pagan antecedents of Christ - Attis, Osiris, Mithras,
etc, and included similarities between these gods and Christ. Like
turning water into wine and so on.
Another was a list of which books were included or rejected from the
bible canon over the years, including the dates of their inclusion &/or
rejection.
Do these sound familiar to anyone? I know I originally found them via
this newsgroup. Any URLs would be greatly appreciated.
I may yet "save a soul". (Though part of me would be disappointed if he
gave up the fight - I'd have lost a sparring partner. And I've wondered
if our freindship would survive his de-conversion. What would we fight
about then?)
--
Jon
a.a.#277
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| User: "mas elcnu-" |
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| Title: Re: 24 years and counting |
17 Oct 2005 08:59:59 AM |
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"Jon Skinner" <jskinner@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1h4lijq.5oyimkqlx0loN%jskinner@senet.com.au...
The longest running religious debate of my life started in 1981 when a
bloke I was sharing a house with started telling me all about "The End
Times" prophecised in the bible. He and I have been at each other's
theological throats ever since, though strangely, we became, and remain
good friends.
In the time I've known him I've seen him go from rabid True Believer,
through mild luke-warm believer, to vaguely agnostic believer.
Today he came to see me and told me that he'd recently had a blazing
argument with his deeply religious parents about his apostasy, and was
looking for some ammunition to use against them. He was especially
interested in the pagan origins of Christianity - a subject that I'd
harangued him with many times over the years.
Thing is - I couldn't find anything to give him. All the stuff I'd
collected from various websites has long since been trashed, crashed, or
otherwise lost; old links no longer work; and I've forgotten the names
and sites where they came from.
There's a couple of lists in particular I wanted to find:
One was a list of pagan antecedents of Christ - Attis, Osiris, Mithras,
etc, and included similarities between these gods and Christ. Like
turning water into wine and so on.
Another was a list of which books were included or rejected from the
bible canon over the years, including the dates of their inclusion &/or
rejection.
Do these sound familiar to anyone? I know I originally found them via
this newsgroup. Any URLs would be greatly appreciated.
I may yet "save a soul". (Though part of me would be disappointed if he
gave up the fight - I'd have lost a sparring partner. And I've wondered
if our freindship would survive his de-conversion. What would we fight
about then?)
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
And since you do not have any, ask for some help!
Reason? Rationality?
You are just like theists! Dumb! Evil! And full of hatred.
Shalom & Asalam Aleikum
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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| Title: Re: 24 years and counting |
17 Oct 2005 09:16:38 PM |
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"mas elcnu<-" <unclesam@maselcnu.biz> wrote in news:4353aed6$1_2@x-
privat.org:
"Jon Skinner" <jskinner@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1h4lijq.5oyimkqlx0loN%jskinner@senet.com.au...
The longest running religious debate of my life started in 1981 when a
bloke I was sharing a house with started telling me all about "The End
Times" prophecised in the bible. He and I have been at each other's
theological throats ever since, though strangely, we became, and
remain
good friends.
In the time I've known him I've seen him go from rabid True Believer,
through mild luke-warm believer, to vaguely agnostic believer.
Today he came to see me and told me that he'd recently had a blazing
argument with his deeply religious parents about his apostasy, and was
looking for some ammunition to use against them. He was especially
interested in the pagan origins of Christianity - a subject that I'd
harangued him with many times over the years.
Thing is - I couldn't find anything to give him. All the stuff I'd
collected from various websites has long since been trashed, crashed,
or
otherwise lost; old links no longer work; and I've forgotten the names
and sites where they came from.
There's a couple of lists in particular I wanted to find:
One was a list of pagan antecedents of Christ - Attis, Osiris,
Mithras,
etc, and included similarities between these gods and Christ. Like
turning water into wine and so on.
Another was a list of which books were included or rejected from the
bible canon over the years, including the dates of their inclusion
&/or
rejection.
Do these sound familiar to anyone? I know I originally found them via
this newsgroup. Any URLs would be greatly appreciated.
I may yet "save a soul". (Though part of me would be disappointed if
he
gave up the fight - I'd have lost a sparring partner. And I've
wondered
if our freindship would survive his de-conversion. What would we fight
about then?)
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
Unass my newsgroup, shitwhiskers.
--
Doc Smartass XP - New Interface, Same Old *****
Brought to you by...
The Catholic Church. No, we don't like gays.
But if you're a pedo, you're PRIEST material!!
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| User: "fresh_air" |
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| Title: Re: 24 years and counting |
17 Oct 2005 10:22:00 PM |
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"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F2D8C6934CEaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"mas elcnu<-" <unclesam@maselcnu.biz> wrote in news:4353aed6$1_2@x-
privat.org:
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
Unass my newsgroup, shitwhiskers.
Iz thiz, an order, a threat or...
(it is not a friendly advice, so don't even try going there).
And can you provide some evidence of your ownership
of this particular NG? A receit? A contract? Anything would
be appreciated...
Of course, a physical evidence is oligatory!
Cheers!
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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18 Oct 2005 07:56:54 AM |
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"fresh_air" <fresh_air@rospaya.gov> wrote in message
news:43546adf$3_2@x-privat.org...
snip
Iz thiz, an order, a threat or...
(it is not a friendly advice, so don't even try going there).
And can you provide some evidence of your ownership
of this particular NG? A receit? A contract? Anything would
be appreciated...
Of course, a physical evidence is oligatory!
English not your first language?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "rospaya_me_voli" |
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18 Oct 2005 10:23:21 AM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message news:3rk9onFk1fafU1@individual.net...
"fresh_air" <fresh_air@rospaya.gov> wrote in message
news:43546adf$3_2@x-privat.org...
snip
Iz thiz, an order, a threat or...
(it is not a friendly advice, so don't even try going there).
And can you provide some evidence of your ownership
of this particular NG? A receit? A contract? Anything would
be appreciated...
Of course, a physical evidence is oligatory!
English not your first language?
No, my fifth! Sorry...
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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18 Oct 2005 02:47:40 AM |
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"fresh_air" <fresh_air@rospaya.gov> wrote in news:43546adf$3_2@x-
privat.org:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F2D8C6934CEaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"mas elcnu<-" <unclesam@maselcnu.biz> wrote in news:4353aed6$1_2@x-
privat.org:
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
Unass my newsgroup, shitwhiskers.
Iz thiz, an order, a threat or...
Would abuse help? How about a cheery "*****"? That enough for you?
Or a more explanatory, "THIS IS AN ATHEIST NEWSGROUP SO YOUR POST WAS
OFF-TOPIC AND YOU CAN *****"
That enough for you? I'm short of time, please let me know if you need
any more hints. I got plenty more, I just need to drink some sour cream
first.
(it is not a friendly advice, so don't even try going there).
Too late. You opened the door and the baby Jesus is gonna woof the
flamethrower up your *****-crack. Paybacks a beyotch.
And can you provide some evidence of your ownership
of this particular NG? A receit? A contract? Anything would
be appreciated...
How about a sense of community that a group of atheists obtains
discussing matters they consider relevant to atheism. And the FAQ, of
course.
Which I doubt you've read?
Care to enlighten us on how your post provided any information or
"improved" the group? Hmmm?
You posted a baiting, pointless snipe at someone asking for advice on
material explaining christianitys theological origins.
How fucking sad are you.
You are obviously really straining to hold onto your belief system.
How's that working out for ya?
Tosser.
Of course, a physical evidence is oligatory!
How about a nice crunchy dog turd? You go find one and yummy it up,
theres a good boy. Then see if you can shove a pencil through your
head.
After that, pour petrol over your genitals, light it and see if you can
see god.
If you see god, bend over and kiss your sorry ***** goodbye, 'cos he's my
dad and he's PISSED.
That's your proof. I promise.
ps: try not to suck the dog-turd out of the dog while it's awake. You'll
annoy the dog. They HATE fundies trying to lick their balls. Actually,
they just hate fundies.
Cheers!
Anyone stupid enough to add a false "Cheers" to the end of a combatitive
post REALLY has to be the fucking village idiot. Or fucking the village
idiot. Whatever.
Fuckwit.
JESUS!
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| User: "rospaya_me_voli" |
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| Title: Re: 24 years and counting |
18 Oct 2005 06:57:20 AM |
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"Jesus H Christ" <jhc@catholic.religion.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F3B503DE8Ajhccatholicchurchinc@203.26.24.228...
"fresh_air" <fresh_air@rospaya.gov> wrote in news:43546adf$3_2@x-
privat.org:
"Doc Smartass" <gekido@astroskivviesboymail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F2D8C6934CEaskifyouwantit@216.77.188.18...
"mas elcnu<-" <unclesam@maselcnu.biz> wrote in news:4353aed6$1_2@x-
privat.org:
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
Unass my newsgroup, shitwhiskers.
Iz thiz, an order, a threat or...
Would abuse help? How about a cheery "*****"? That enough for you?
Or a more explanatory, "THIS IS AN ATHEIST NEWSGROUP SO YOUR POST WAS
OFF-TOPIC AND YOU CAN *****"
That enough for you? I'm short of time, please let me know if you need
any more hints. I got plenty more, I just need to drink some sour cream
first.
Please man, chill. Hatred is a weakness! This is not your NG, and this
is a free country! OK?
(it is not a friendly advice, so don't even try going there).
Too late. You opened the door and the baby Jesus is gonna woof the
flamethrower up your *****-crack. Paybacks a beyotch.
Jesus loves me, he loves you, but you hate him. It is obvious.
And can you provide some evidence of your ownership
of this particular NG? A receit? A contract? Anything would
be appreciated...
How about a sense of community that a group of atheists obtains
discussing matters they consider relevant to atheism. And the FAQ, of
course.
Yes, yes, nazi NG! OK! Jawohl!
Which I doubt you've read?
Care to enlighten us on how your post provided any information or
"improved" the group? Hmmm?
You posted a baiting, pointless snipe at someone asking for advice on
material explaining christianitys theological origins.
How fucking sad are you.
You are obviously really straining to hold onto your belief system.
How's that working out for ya?
Tosser.
Repeat after me; hatred... is... a... weakness!
Of course, a physical evidence is oligatory!
How about a nice crunchy dog turd? You go find one and yummy it up,
theres a good boy. Then see if you can shove a pencil through your
head.
After that, pour petrol over your genitals, light it and see if you can
see god.
If you see god, bend over and kiss your sorry ***** goodbye, 'cos he's my
dad and he's PISSED.
That's your proof. I promise.
ps: try not to suck the dog-turd out of the dog while it's awake. You'll
annoy the dog. They HATE fundies trying to lick their balls. Actually,
they just hate fundies.
Oh man, small ***** you have?
Cheers!
Anyone stupid enough to add a false "Cheers" to the end of a combatitive
post REALLY has to be the fucking village idiot. Or fucking the village
idiot. Whatever.
Fuckwit.
You are a moron...
Bye...
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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18 Oct 2005 09:47:29 AM |
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"rospaya_me_voli" <rospaya_ljubavnik@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4354e3a9$1_3@x-privat.org:
Please man, chill. Hatred is a weakness! This is not your NG,
and this is a free country! OK?
No, it's not ok. You violate the community standards and the baby jesus
will fry your *****. It wasn't appropriate for that fucker to have lit up
the original poster, so I shoved a cattle-prod up his nostrils.
He fired the first shot. I just emptied the magazine, is all.
(it is not a friendly advice, so don't even try going there).
Too late. You opened the door and the baby Jesus is gonna woof the
flamethrower up your *****-crack. Paybacks a beyotch.
Jesus loves me, he loves you, but you hate him. It is obvious.
Wow, I thought you were channeling barney the dinosaur there for a
moment.
The baby jesus loves flamethrowers too. He loves the smell of napalm in
the newsgroup. It's the smell of fundies roasting over a pile of dogma.
Mmmmmm. Crispy.
How about a sense of community that a group of atheists obtains
discussing matters they consider relevant to atheism. And the FAQ, of
course.
Yes, yes, nazi NG! OK! Jawohl!
My my, you are an ignorant little twit, aren't you?
The newsgroup exists *because of* the community that created it and the
FAQ roughly represents the goals of that creation.
You fail to grasp the basics - this is a newsgroup created BY atheists
FOR DISCUSSION of matters related to atheism.
Not for some fuckhead to use as a forum for delivering drive-by
shootings.
Repeat after me; hatred... is... a... weakness!
But the warm crackle of the flamethrower warms the cockles of baby
jesus' heart, so can it be bad? it makes the baby jesus pudgy little
face smile so ;-)
And I don't hate him - I just think he's a wanker, whoever he was. He can
reform. There's a difference.
The flambe is more a warning to the next potential transgressor.
You gotta ask yourself - have you offended the baby jesus today?
Well, do ya feel lucky, punk?
Oh man, small ***** you have?
Sentence construction master not young jedi?
Are you a fourth-grader or is it that you just can't speak english very
well due to your parents being too closely related?
Or are you another one of the english-as-second-language posters that
seem to come from third-world countries with largely illiterate xtian
converts?
Do enlighten us.
Fuckwit.
You are a moron...
Glad to see you've got your intellectual position so thoroughly staked
out. Pathetic.
But.. at least you're trying to make a point, even if you're deluded.
Bye...
What did I tell you idiots about false "cheers" "bye de bye" and like
*****, idiot? Come back here and make a PROPER exit.
<laughing>
Wash my feet, fundie!
jesus
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| User: "rospaya_me_voli" |
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| Title: Re: 24 years and counting |
18 Oct 2005 10:23:04 AM |
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"Jesus H Christ" <jhc@catholic.religion.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F480D94D8Fjhccatholicchurchinc@203.26.24.228...
"rospaya_me_voli" <rospaya_ljubavnik@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4354e3a9$1_3@x-privat.org:
hatred... is... a... weaknes... you... weak... atheist.
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| User: "Jesus H Christ" |
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18 Oct 2005 09:25:15 PM |
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"rospaya_me_voli" <rospaya_ljubavnik@gmail.com> wrote in news:435513ea$1_3
@x-privat.org:
"Jesus H Christ" <jhc@catholic.religion.com> wrote in message
news:Xns96F480D94D8Fjhccatholicchurchinc@203.26.24.228...
"rospaya_me_voli" <rospaya_ljubavnik@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4354e3a9$1_3@x-privat.org:
hatred... is... a... weaknes... you... weak... atheist.
In the english speaking world we spell "weakness" with two 'S's.
Your english skills really ain't up to snuff, are they kiddo?
But thankyou for the karma advice, even if you had.. to.. type.. it..
slowly..
And as for being a "weak atheist", there's several ways to interpret that -
I'm an atheist with a weak acceptance of the concept?
I'm an atheist and I'm "weak" (pathetic etc slang)
Dictionary.com has at least ten candidates for 'weak'. If you're going to
insult me at least you could be a little more specific than 'weak'.
For example, "You're a fucking moron too stupid to get the ***** out of the
way when the flamethrower is warming up your crotch."
Or "You're the worst example of fundies defending each others indefensible
behavior and views, based on nothing more than the dogma you were both
raised on as children."
Be *specific*. Calling the baby jesus "weak" is.. well... weak.
ps Did you ask your mommy if your daddy was her brother? Maybe that
explains it.
<smirk>
Jesus!
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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19 Oct 2005 11:36:22 AM |
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In article <4353aed6$1_2@x-privat.org>, mas elcnu<- said...
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
And since you do not have any, ask for some help!
You excoriate a man for spreading propaganda -- and in the next
breath you admit he does not even possess that propaganda! How
precious.
Those prepackaged, off-the-shelf responses on which people like
you rely should come color-coded, like some children's clothing,
so you don't combine them in embarrassing and foolish ways, as
you did above.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "stoney" |
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20 Oct 2005 10:52:16 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:59:59 +0200, "mas elcnu<-"
<unclesam@maselcnu.biz> wrote:
"Jon Skinner" <jskinner@senet.com.au> wrote in message
news:1h4lijq.5oyimkqlx0loN%jskinner@senet.com.au...
The longest running religious debate of my life started in 1981 when a
bloke I was sharing a house with started telling me all about "The End
Times" prophecised in the bible. He and I have been at each other's
theological throats ever since, though strangely, we became, and remain
good friends.
In the time I've known him I've seen him go from rabid True Believer,
through mild luke-warm believer, to vaguely agnostic believer.
Today he came to see me and told me that he'd recently had a blazing
argument with his deeply religious parents about his apostasy, and was
looking for some ammunition to use against them. He was especially
interested in the pagan origins of Christianity - a subject that I'd
harangued him with many times over the years.
Thing is - I couldn't find anything to give him. All the stuff I'd
collected from various websites has long since been trashed, crashed, or
otherwise lost; old links no longer work; and I've forgotten the names
and sites where they came from.
There's a couple of lists in particular I wanted to find:
One was a list of pagan antecedents of Christ - Attis, Osiris, Mithras,
etc, and included similarities between these gods and Christ. Like
turning water into wine and so on.
Another was a list of which books were included or rejected from the
bible canon over the years, including the dates of their inclusion &/or
rejection.
Do these sound familiar to anyone? I know I originally found them via
this newsgroup. Any URLs would be greatly appreciated.
I may yet "save a soul". (Though part of me would be disappointed if he
gave up the fight - I'd have lost a sparring partner. And I've wondered
if our freindship would survive his de-conversion. What would we fight
about then?)
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
And since you do not have any, ask for some help!
Reason? Rationality?
You are just like theists! Dumb! Evil! And full of hatred.
LMAO at the mindless projectionist.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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17 Oct 2005 09:08:01 AM |
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:59:59 +0200, "mas elcnu<-"
<unclesam@maselcnu.biz> wrote:
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
What "Atheist propaganda"?
And since you do not have any, ask for some help!
*****. All it takes is the ability to use one's mind.
The problem is breaking through the brainwashed sound-byte mentality
of the theist whose cognitive dissonance makes things disappear whic
contradict his beliefs.
Reason? Rationality?
You are just like theists! Dumb! Evil! And full of hatred.
Where was the hatred?
Shalom & Asalam Aleikum
Sanctimonious, in-your-face hypocrite.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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| Title: Re: 24 years and counting |
19 Oct 2005 05:35:52 PM |
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mas elcnu<- wrote:
<snip>
Yes, yes, Jon, help the man spread your atheist propaganda!
And since you do not have any, ask for some help!
Reason? Rationality?
You are just like theists! Dumb! Evil! And full of hatred.
Shalom & Asalam Aleikum
A half-wit would find that the vast majority of the information atheists
pass to others comes from the work done by people of faith who have not
allowed the truth to distroy this faith.
We don't acquire PhD's in language, history, religion, and archeology and
dedicate our lives to discover these things. People of faith do.
Apparently you don't quite reach the half-wit standard.
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| User: "Katt" |
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| Title: Re: 24 years and counting |
17 Oct 2005 08:56:27 AM |
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How about
www.jesusneverexisted.com
???
Katt.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: 24 years and counting |
17 Oct 2005 10:02:17 PM |
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Jon Skinner wrote:
The longest running religious debate of my life started in 1981
when a bloke I was sharing a house with started telling me all
about "The End Times" prophecised in the bible. He and I have
been at each other's theological throats ever since, though
strangely, we became, and remain good friends.
In the time I've known him I've seen him go from rabid True
Believer, through mild luke-warm believer, to vaguely agnostic
believer.
Today he came to see me and told me that he'd recently had a
blazing argument with his deeply religious parents about his
apostasy, and was looking for some ammunition to use against
them. He was especially interested in the pagan origins of
Christianity - a subject that I'd harangued him with many times
over the years.
Thing is - I couldn't find anything to give him. All the stuff
I'd collected from various websites has long since been
trashed, crashed, or otherwise lost; old links no longer work;
and I've forgotten the names and sites where they came from.
There's a couple of lists in particular I wanted to find:
One was a list of pagan antecedents of Christ - Attis, Osiris,
Mithras, etc, and included similarities between these gods and
Christ. Like turning water into wine and so on.
Another was a list of which books were included or rejected
from the bible canon over the years, including the dates of
their inclusion &/or rejection.
Do these sound familiar to anyone? I know I originally found
them via this newsgroup. Any URLs would be greatly appreciated.
I may yet "save a soul". (Though part of me would be
disappointed if he gave up the fight - I'd have lost a sparring
partner. And I've wondered if our freindship would survive his
de-conversion. What would we fight about then?)
You may have to google around for this.
One of the primary sources for thsi was an old book called
16 crucified saviors by Kersey Graves, but it is not
really reliable. A fair number of books on the subject have
been printed some of doubtful scholarship.
http://www.tomharpur.com/Reviews/PaganChrist.asp
Three virtually unknown authorities used in this book are Godfrey
Higgins (1771-1834), an early English mythologist who, through
groundbreaking studies of ancient writings, sought freedom from
the exclusivism and dogmatism of Christianity; Gerald Massey
(1828-1907) an American, who studied Egyptian mythology and
there discovered antecedents to images and themes appearing in
the Hebrew Bible and New Testament; and Alvin Boyd Kuhn
(1880-1963) another American, who pursued extensive academic
research into the origins of religious symbols and meanings. His
work, though esoteric to untrained eyes, convinced Harpur of the
validity of Egyptian sources for much of what appears in the
Jewish and Christian scriptures
I found that googling: books, christian, pagan precedents
got a pretty rich response to check out.
http://www.frontline-apologetics.com/carrier_on_osiris.htm
Osiris and Pagan Resurrection Myths: Assessing the Till-McFall
Exchange
See Farrell Till's article The Pagan Origins of Resurrection and
Mark McFall's (ITW) article OH-SIGH-RIS for context.
by Richard C. Carrier
Copyright 2002. The right to quote or reproduce this work in full
is granted to anyone who credits the author and does not use it
for profit.
Mark McFall asked my opinion of an ongoing debate he has been
having with Farrell Till. As a degreed expert on ancient
history, my assessment of the most recent exchange in the
Mar-May 2002 issue of In the Word is that, overall, Till and
McFall are both right and both wrong. Before I discuss this,
however, disclosure is appropriate: I am an atheist and have
also written an online essay on pagan parallels and ideas of
resurrection, the historical merit of the evidence for the
reality of Christ's resurrection generally, and the case for the
Pauline notion of a spiritual resurrection: see "Why I Don't Buy
the Resurrection Story" 2000
(http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/resurrection/lecture.html).
Everything I say below draws on what is presented in that essay
or on my own personal experience in ancient history.
..........
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/index.html
Kersey Graves and "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" (2003)
Carrier explains some of the essential reasons to distrust the
information in The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors by Kersey
Graves.
Review of "The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark" (2000)
This is an incredible book that must be read by everyone with an
interest in Christianity. Dennis MacDonald's shocking thesis is
that the Gospel of Mark is a deliberate and conscious anti-epic,
an inversion of the Greek "Bible" of Homer's Iliad and Odyssey,
which in a sense "updates" and Judaizes the outdated heroic
values presented by Homer, in the figure of a new hero, Jesus
(whose name, of course, means "Savior"). His evidence is
surprisingly solid and pervasive, and the implications for the
historicity of Christ are profound.
--
The official spokesman of the Foxes said
today that investigation into what happened
to the henhouse may be needed.
Cheerful Charlie
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