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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Michelle Malkin"
Date: 11 Sep 2005 09:26:40 PM
Object: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 12 Sep 2005 05:00:34 AM
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, "Michelle Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net>
wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm

Standard 'rat report. You're telling the truth, and nothing but the truth, but
not the whole truth.
And that you revel in doing.
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User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 12 Sep 2005 08:43:41 AM
On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm

I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind
of silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter,
keep the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.
--
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 12 Sep 2005 09:46:03 PM
In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.

So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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User: "JTEM"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 12 Sep 2005 10:24:39 PM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote

In Matt Silberstein

I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment,
it is kind of silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep
the French quarter, keep the port, and rebuild the
minimum necessary to support them.

So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them
elsewhere will we?

It's the most insane idea I've ever heard, and I'd think it
a joke if it weren't for the insanity that we've already
seen from the Republicans.
"Rebuild" is not within the realm of possibilities. The
levees have to be replaced, not fixed. The were proven
unfit against a category 4 storm, they have no hope
with rising ocean levels.
We've already got an idea on how much it'll cost to
solve the cities problems for the next 100 years. The
project was proposed about 7 years ago, under Clinton,
and it was more than $14 billion then. And it was
only that cheap if we assume it was going to be the
very first ever major government project in 50 years
to not suffer from any cost over-runs!
We as a nation simply can not spend $20 billion or
more to protect the high-priced real estate of the
overly privileged rich. If we as a nation spend that
kind of money, it has to be for EVERYBODY, not
for the chosen few who think their trust funds
make them chosen by God.
It's sick that anyone can suggest otherwise. It's
truly sick.
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User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 02:55:00 AM
"Mark K. Bilbo" <alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in message
news:bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net...

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep
the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?

And, don't forget all those people from Galveston, Tx
and upstate Pennsylvania. Never too late, y'know.
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--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB

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User: "DanielSan"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 12 Sep 2005 09:47:41 PM
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?

And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 06:42:04 AM
In <h5rVe.3566$XO6.3024@trnddc03>, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com>
wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep
the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...

And we don't even have a tsunami warning system for the Atlantic. The
entire East Coast could be destroyed any day now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
.

User: "AZ Nomad"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 12 Sep 2005 10:00:32 PM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:41 GMT, DanielSan <daniel-san@myrealbox.com> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?

And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...

Phoenix sucks too; nobody should be allowed to live there during the summer.
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 12 Sep 2005 10:50:53 PM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:41 GMT, in alt.atheism , DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> in <h5rVe.3566$XO6.3024@trnddc03> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...

Sorry, but L.A. will survive a rather massive quake. It will damage
and kill, but it will be livable at the end of the day. I lived
through a 6.7 quake. And it was worse than that sounds, it was a
thrust fault which causes lots of damage. It hurt and we lost some
freeway overpasses. But it did not do in the city. It would take
something more than the 1,000 year quake to come close to what Katrina
did to NO. And Katrina *missed* the city. It could have been much,
much worse. A few miles further west and we would have lost both
chemical plants and lost more levees. If the river levees had gone,
the game would be over.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 07:12:12 AM
In <0tici11cai78oc2ddj2lh7kkp26h77agfm@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:41 GMT, in alt.atheism , DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> in <h5rVe.3566$XO6.3024@trnddc03> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep
the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...


Sorry, but L.A. will survive a rather massive quake. It will damage and
kill, but it will be livable at the end of the day. I lived through a 6.7
quake. And it was worse than that sounds, it was a thrust fault which
causes lots of damage. It hurt and we lost some freeway overpasses. But it
did not do in the city. It would take something more than the 1,000 year
quake to come close to what Katrina did to NO. And Katrina *missed* the
city. It could have been much, much worse. A few miles further west and we
would have lost both chemical plants and lost more levees. If the river
levees had gone, the game would be over.

And when I lived there, the LA Times was doing special reports on the
Newport-Inglewood which--if memory serves--is believed to be capable of
producing one in the 7+ range.
Not to mention, billions have been spent over the years to ready LA for
quakes. The flooding in NO could have been mitigated if not prevented. Not
just by the levy project which stopped for the first time in decades under
Bush but those wetlands out there aren't just something the
environmentalists run around barking about, they protect the area from the
full force of hurricanes.
But we don't have the kind of money LA and California does. Particularly
when the Bushes told us "no" when we asked for royalties on the federal
oil and gas leases off our coast. You know, like every other state gets
royalties from the federal leases in their areas? We don't. Congress
finally--this year and not long before Katrina--gave us some. Bush was
having a fit and didn't want to.
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
.

User: "Yang, AthD h.c, Kicking AWOLs Cocaine Snorting Ass"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 01:14:10 AM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:50:53 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:41 GMT, in alt.atheism , DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> in <h5rVe.3566$XO6.3024@trnddc03> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...


Sorry, but L.A. will survive a rather massive quake. It will damage
and kill, but it will be livable at the end of the day.

Except that LA is a desert. There is nothing natural about putting 13
million people in the SoCal area.

I lived
through a 6.7 quake. And it was worse than that sounds, it was a
thrust fault which causes lots of damage. It hurt and we lost some
freeway overpasses. But it did not do in the city. It would take
something more than the 1,000 year quake to come close to what Katrina
did to NO. And Katrina *missed* the city. It could have been much,
much worse. A few miles further west and we would have lost both
chemical plants and lost more levees. If the river levees had gone,
the game would be over.

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User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 06:22:25 AM
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 23:14:10 -0700, in alt.atheism , "Yang, AthD
(h.c), Kicking AWOL's Cocaine Snorting *****"
<eacmole@/*AWOLBUSH*/mail.com> in
<0grci1hjd4rgkocs5hb7vdqqmd09mfclpe@4ax.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:50:53 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:41 GMT, in alt.atheism , DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> in <h5rVe.3566$XO6.3024@trnddc03> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...


Sorry, but L.A. will survive a rather massive quake. It will damage
and kill, but it will be livable at the end of the day.


Except that LA is a desert. There is nothing natural about putting 13
million people in the SoCal area.

I agree. And policies that encourage even more people to move to that
desert is a bad idea. There is a certain reasonably sustainable
population. Why do you insist on an either/or notion?

I lived
through a 6.7 quake. And it was worse than that sounds, it was a
thrust fault which causes lots of damage. It hurt and we lost some
freeway overpasses. But it did not do in the city. It would take
something more than the 1,000 year quake to come close to what Katrina
did to NO. And Katrina *missed* the city. It could have been much,
much worse. A few miles further west and we would have lost both
chemical plants and lost more levees. If the river levees had gone,
the game would be over.

--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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http://www.savedarfur.org/
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User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 16 Sep 2005 10:57:57 PM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:50:53 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:41 GMT, in alt.atheism , DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> in <h5rVe.3566$XO6.3024@trnddc03> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?

And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...


Sorry, but L.A. will survive a rather massive quake. It will damage
and kill, but it will be livable at the end of the day. I lived
through a 6.7 quake. And it was worse than that sounds, it was a
thrust fault which causes lots of damage. It hurt and we lost some
freeway overpasses.

The quake that pancaked the elevated roadway onto the lower section?
'87 or so?

But it did not do in the city. It would take
something more than the 1,000 year quake to come close to what Katrina
did to NO. And Katrina *missed* the city. It could have been much,
much worse. A few miles further west and we would have lost both
chemical plants and lost more levees. If the river levees had gone,
the game would be over.

--
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Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
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represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
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User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 17 Sep 2005 12:10:55 AM
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:57:57 -0700, in alt.atheism , stoney
<stoney@the.net> in <su4ni190ud9jfvcctp8cnvglhsn1tn67bh@4ax.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:50:53 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:41 GMT, in alt.atheism , DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> in <h5rVe.3566$XO6.3024@trnddc03> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...


Sorry, but L.A. will survive a rather massive quake. It will damage
and kill, but it will be livable at the end of the day. I lived
through a 6.7 quake. And it was worse than that sounds, it was a
thrust fault which causes lots of damage. It hurt and we lost some
freeway overpasses.


The quake that pancaked the elevated roadway onto the lower section?
'87 or so?

No, that was Loma Priata in the Bay Area. '89 IIRC. I meant the
Northridge quake of '94.

But it did not do in the city. It would take
something more than the 1,000 year quake to come close to what Katrina
did to NO. And Katrina *missed* the city. It could have been much,
much worse. A few miles further west and we would have lost both
chemical plants and lost more levees. If the river levees had gone,
the game would be over.

--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org
Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 17 Sep 2005 11:09:36 PM
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 05:10:55 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:57:57 -0700, in alt.atheism , stoney
<stoney@the.net> in <su4ni190ud9jfvcctp8cnvglhsn1tn67bh@4ax.com>
wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 03:50:53 GMT, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 02:47:41 GMT, in alt.atheism , DanielSan
<daniel-san@myrealbox.com> in <h5rVe.3566$XO6.3024@trnddc03> wrote:

Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.



So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


And Los Angeles, and Hawaii...


Sorry, but L.A. will survive a rather massive quake. It will damage
and kill, but it will be livable at the end of the day. I lived
through a 6.7 quake. And it was worse than that sounds, it was a
thrust fault which causes lots of damage. It hurt and we lost some
freeway overpasses.


The quake that pancaked the elevated roadway onto the lower section?
'87 or so?


No, that was Loma Priata in the Bay Area. '89 IIRC. I meant the
Northridge quake of '94.

Thank you. The only thing I remember about that one is the
maintenance worker trapped under a collapsed three storey parking
garage.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.





User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 12 Sep 2005 10:46:44 PM
On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep the
port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?

The water leaves Florida when the storm passes. They have done way too
much building on the coast and are going to pay for that several times
in the coming decade, but I don't happen to know of any place in
Florida as vulnerable as New Orleans.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 06:41:19 AM
In <8rici19d8k1s8s443gh6sp8ok5jpiqi0u2@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep
the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


The water leaves Florida when the storm passes. They have done way too
much building on the coast and are going to pay for that several times in
the coming decade, but I don't happen to know of any place in Florida as
vulnerable as New Orleans.

Los Angeles for one. What a stupid idea to build on an active fault line!
And move St. Louis while we're at it. The New Madrid could flatten it any
day now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 09:34:19 AM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:41:19 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <QqudnZP5p5hAJ7veRVn-oA@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <8rici19d8k1s8s443gh6sp8ok5jpiqi0u2@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle Malkin"
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind of
silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter, keep
the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


The water leaves Florida when the storm passes. They have done way too
much building on the coast and are going to pay for that several times in
the coming decade, but I don't happen to know of any place in Florida as
vulnerable as New Orleans.


Los Angeles for one. What a stupid idea to build on an active fault line!

And move St. Louis while we're at it. The New Madrid could flatten it any
day now...

I am very sorry for your loss and I do understand the pain involved
and the pain of loss of place. But you and others seem to argue that
people should live anywhere they want to no matter the risk. You
counter my claim of an unacceptable risk due to some specific feature
with a point that other places have risks. They sure do, so we try to
figure out where the risks/costs are acceptable and where they are
not.
Now I could be wrong about New Orleans. But the argument for that is
not that L.A. has faults. It is that it will cost only X to protect NO
from a direct hit from a Cat 4/5. (Remember, as bad as things are,
this was a near miss. A few miles to the west and it would all be
over. NO is way more as risk to catastrophic failure than any other
city in the U.S. It is below sea level and dropping, it is getting
closer and closer to the Gulf, it is a second catastrophe waiting to
happen. The worst thing is, no one is going to seriously consider
doing something else. We are going to re-build in place. I hope that
the Big One never hits and I hope it does not hit in any of our
lifetimes, but my hope isn't going to change a thing.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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User: "Bill"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 01:31:43 PM
"Matt Silberstein" <RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
message news:blndi1lipdo7void4a0pnmifbavp44ibqc@4ax.com...

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:41:19 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <QqudnZP5p5hAJ7veRVn-oA@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <8rici19d8k1s8s443gh6sp8ok5jpiqi0u2@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle

Malkin"

<hypatiab7@comcast.net> in <7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com>

wrote:


http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind

of

silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter,

keep

the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


The water leaves Florida when the storm passes. They have done way too
much building on the coast and are going to pay for that several times

in

the coming decade, but I don't happen to know of any place in Florida

as

vulnerable as New Orleans.


Los Angeles for one. What a stupid idea to build on an active fault line!

And move St. Louis while we're at it. The New Madrid could flatten it any
day now...


I am very sorry for your loss and I do understand the pain involved
and the pain of loss of place. But you and others seem to argue that
people should live anywhere they want to no matter the risk. You
counter my claim of an unacceptable risk due to some specific feature
with a point that other places have risks. They sure do, so we try to
figure out where the risks/costs are acceptable and where they are
not.

Now I could be wrong about New Orleans. But the argument for that is
not that L.A. has faults. It is that it will cost only X to protect NO
from a direct hit from a Cat 4/5. (Remember, as bad as things are,
this was a near miss. A few miles to the west and it would all be
over. NO is way more as risk to catastrophic failure than any other
city in the U.S. It is below sea level and dropping, it is getting
closer and closer to the Gulf, it is a second catastrophe waiting to
happen. The worst thing is, no one is going to seriously consider
doing something else. We are going to re-build in place. I hope that
the Big One never hits and I hope it does not hit in any of our
lifetimes, but my hope isn't going to change a thing.



--
Matt Silberstein

A big part of the problem is government support for building in hazardous
areas.
If the levies had never been built there wouldn't be 500,000 people in a
flood prone are.
The same applies to beach front property. Private insurance companies won't
insure these
properties except at prohibitive premiums. The Federal subsidized insurance
program encourages
construction in hazardous areas. Because of this relatively cheap insurance,
most property owners along these
Gulf Coast beaches will rebuild using their Federal funds and insurance for
the next hurricane.
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 02:45:59 PM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:31:43 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Bill"
<wmech@bellsouth.net> in <k_EVe.4576$XZ1.4435@bignews5.bellsouth.net>
wrote:
[snip]

A big part of the problem is government support for building in hazardous
areas.

If the levies had never been built there wouldn't be 500,000 people in a
flood prone are.

If the levees were not built then several million people along that
river would live elsewhere. And the city itself would have disappeared
or had to move when the river chose a different path. Building things
like levees were among the first things people did when they moved
into the "west" (meaning everything west of the Appalachians), it was
among the first acts of the small government of the time.

The same applies to beach front property. Private insurance companies won't
insure these
properties except at prohibitive premiums. The Federal subsidized insurance
program encourages
construction in hazardous areas. Because of this relatively cheap insurance,
most property owners along these
Gulf Coast beaches will rebuild using their Federal funds and insurance for
the next hurricane.

I think we need to re-think several of those policies.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
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User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 11:21:04 AM
In <blndi1lipdo7void4a0pnmifbavp44ibqc@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:41:19 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <QqudnZP5p5hAJ7veRVn-oA@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <8rici19d8k1s8s443gh6sp8ok5jpiqi0u2@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle
Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> in
<7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind
of silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter,
keep the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


The water leaves Florida when the storm passes. They have done way too
much building on the coast and are going to pay for that several times
in the coming decade, but I don't happen to know of any place in
Florida as vulnerable as New Orleans.


Los Angeles for one. What a stupid idea to build on an active fault line!

And move St. Louis while we're at it. The New Madrid could flatten it any
day now...


I am very sorry for your loss and I do understand the pain involved and
the pain of loss of place. But you and others seem to argue that people
should live anywhere they want to no matter the risk. You counter my claim
of an unacceptable risk due to some specific feature with a point that
other places have risks. They sure do, so we try to figure out where the
risks/costs are acceptable and where they are not.

Now I could be wrong about New Orleans. But the argument for that is not
that L.A. has faults. It is that it will cost only X to protect NO from a
direct hit from a Cat 4/5. (Remember, as bad as things are, this was a
near miss.

Where *are you getting that? Are you aware that hurricanes rotate
counter-clockwise? One of the greatest dangers to the city is a strike
slightly to the East which happened. That means the waters of
Pontchartrain are being swept into the city and canals are being
overloaded (like the 17th Street Canal).
Notice that the Mississippi coast, to the East of the eye was simply
flattened.
A "direct strike" of the eye would more likely have caused problems where
I live. Not that New Orleans would be "okay" but the water would have been
being pushed into our parish.

A few miles to the west and it would all be over.

A few miles to the west and it would look pretty much like it does now. I
just wouldn't be posting as I wouldn't have a house.

NO is way
more as risk to catastrophic failure than any other city in the U.S. It is
below sea level and dropping, it is getting closer and closer to the Gulf,
it is a second catastrophe waiting to happen. The worst thing is, no one
is going to seriously consider doing something else. We are going to
re-build in place. I hope that the Big One never hits and I hope it does
not hit in any of our lifetimes, but my hope isn't going to change a
thing.

Well, there's a reason New Orleans exists. And if the ports don't get
settled down pretty soon, the rest of you are going to find out what the
reason is...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 02:43:36 PM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:21:04 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <3vudnQqvXfroYbveRVn-2w@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <blndi1lipdo7void4a0pnmifbavp44ibqc@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:41:19 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <QqudnZP5p5hAJ7veRVn-oA@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <8rici19d8k1s8s443gh6sp8ok5jpiqi0u2@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle
Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> in
<7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is kind
of silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French quarter,
keep the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will we?


The water leaves Florida when the storm passes. They have done way too
much building on the coast and are going to pay for that several times
in the coming decade, but I don't happen to know of any place in
Florida as vulnerable as New Orleans.


Los Angeles for one. What a stupid idea to build on an active fault line!

And move St. Louis while we're at it. The New Madrid could flatten it any
day now...


I am very sorry for your loss and I do understand the pain involved and
the pain of loss of place. But you and others seem to argue that people
should live anywhere they want to no matter the risk. You counter my claim
of an unacceptable risk due to some specific feature with a point that
other places have risks. They sure do, so we try to figure out where the
risks/costs are acceptable and where they are not.

Now I could be wrong about New Orleans. But the argument for that is not
that L.A. has faults. It is that it will cost only X to protect NO from a
direct hit from a Cat 4/5. (Remember, as bad as things are, this was a
near miss.


Where *are you getting that? Are you aware that hurricanes rotate
counter-clockwise? One of the greatest dangers to the city is a strike
slightly to the East which happened. That means the waters of
Pontchartrain are being swept into the city and canals are being
overloaded (like the 17th Street Canal).

Other way around. Yes, they rotate counter clockwise. That means that
the biggest winds and largest swells are on the right side. The wind
on the left is moving back to the direction of movement of the
hurricane itself. If the storm is moving at 15 miles an hour there can
be a 30 mph difference between what you feel on the left and the right
and several feet in storm surge.

Notice that the Mississippi coast, to the East of the eye was simply
flattened.

Yes. The right side is worse. NO took the left side the storm. Katrina
took a jog to the left at the last minute, if it had not NO would have
had much more wind and more water and a higher surge.

A "direct strike" of the eye would more likely have caused problems where
I live. Not that New Orleans would be "okay" but the water would have been
being pushed into our parish.

A few miles to the west and it would all be over.


A few miles to the west and it would look pretty much like it does now. I
just wouldn't be posting as I wouldn't have a house.

Suppose several more levees had given way? Instead of having one
breach in each they could have had several and had the whole city
flooded much faster. The escape time could have been shortened by
hours and the flood rising much faster over a much larger area. And if
the chemical plants had blown then that water might be much worse.

NO is way
more as risk to catastrophic failure than any other city in the U.S. It is
below sea level and dropping, it is getting closer and closer to the Gulf,
it is a second catastrophe waiting to happen. The worst thing is, no one
is going to seriously consider doing something else. We are going to
re-build in place. I hope that the Big One never hits and I hope it does
not hit in any of our lifetimes, but my hope isn't going to change a
thing.


Well, there's a reason New Orleans exists. And if the ports don't get
settled down pretty soon, the rest of you are going to find out what the
reason is...

I agree. It serves several essential functions. I don't suggest
abandoning anyone or abandoning the city. As I said, we need a port
and the French Quarter is high enough to save. But it does not need a
sports stadium and all the rest of the ephemera of a "normal" city. A
much smaller city is easier to defend and easier to fix later.
But, as I have said, I am pissing up wind. We are going to re-build
without a thought of other options.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
Genocide is news | Be A Witness
http://www.beawitness.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
www.darfurgenocide.org
Save Darfur.org :: Violence and Suffering in Sudan's Darfur Region
http://www.savedarfur.org/
.
User: "Mark K. Bilbo"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 03:15:10 PM
In <0iaei15mic61346q5fejpta1nkrkaf0an9@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:21:04 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <3vudnQqvXfroYbveRVn-2w@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <blndi1lipdo7void4a0pnmifbavp44ibqc@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:41:19 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <QqudnZP5p5hAJ7veRVn-oA@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <8rici19d8k1s8s443gh6sp8ok5jpiqi0u2@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle
Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> in
<7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is
kind of silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French
quarter, keep the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to
support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will
we?


The water leaves Florida when the storm passes. They have done way
too much building on the coast and are going to pay for that several
times in the coming decade, but I don't happen to know of any place
in Florida as vulnerable as New Orleans.


Los Angeles for one. What a stupid idea to build on an active fault
line!

And move St. Louis while we're at it. The New Madrid could flatten it
any day now...


I am very sorry for your loss and I do understand the pain involved and
the pain of loss of place. But you and others seem to argue that people
should live anywhere they want to no matter the risk. You counter my
claim of an unacceptable risk due to some specific feature with a point
that other places have risks. They sure do, so we try to figure out
where the risks/costs are acceptable and where they are not.

Now I could be wrong about New Orleans. But the argument for that is
not that L.A. has faults. It is that it will cost only X to protect NO
from a direct hit from a Cat 4/5. (Remember, as bad as things are, this
was a near miss.


Where *are you getting that? Are you aware that hurricanes rotate
counter-clockwise? One of the greatest dangers to the city is a strike
slightly to the East which happened. That means the waters of
Pontchartrain are being swept into the city and canals are being
overloaded (like the 17th Street Canal).


Other way around. Yes, they rotate counter clockwise. That means that the
biggest winds and largest swells are on the right side. The wind on the
left is moving back to the direction of movement of the hurricane itself.
If the storm is moving at 15 miles an hour there can be a 30 mph
difference between what you feel on the left and the right and several
feet in storm surge.

Notice that the Mississippi coast, to the East of the eye was simply
flattened.


Yes. The right side is worse. NO took the left side the storm. Katrina
took a jog to the left at the last minute, if it had not NO would have had
much more wind and more water and a higher surge.

You need to look at a map and find Pontchartrain. The way Katrina came in
was about as bad as it gets. The comments of "could have been worse" were
followed with "the levies could have broken" then followed immediately
with "oh *****!"

A "direct strike" of the eye would more likely have caused problems where
I live. Not that New Orleans would be "okay" but the water would have
been being pushed into our parish.

A few miles to the west and it would all be over.


A few miles to the west and it would look pretty much like it does now. I
just wouldn't be posting as I wouldn't have a house.


Suppose several more levees had given way?

Well, the ones in St. Bernard are gone. Not "gave way." They don't exist
anymore.

Instead of having one breach in
each they could have had several and had the whole city flooded much
faster. The escape time could have been shortened by hours and the flood
rising much faster over a much larger area. And if the chemical plants had
blown then that water might be much worse.

Possibly. Interestingly enough, though, they were designed for a Cat 3 and
a lot of the system made it through an usually large Cat 4.

NO is way
more as risk to catastrophic failure than any other city in the U.S. It
is below sea level and dropping, it is getting closer and closer to the
Gulf, it is a second catastrophe waiting to happen. The worst thing is,
no one is going to seriously consider doing something else. We are
going to re-build in place. I hope that the Big One never hits and I
hope it does not hit in any of our lifetimes, but my hope isn't going
to change a thing.


Well, there's a reason New Orleans exists. And if the ports don't get
settled down pretty soon, the rest of you are going to find out what the
reason is...


I agree. It serves several essential functions. I don't suggest abandoning
anyone or abandoning the city. As I said, we need a port and the French
Quarter is high enough to save. But it does not need a sports stadium and
all the rest of the ephemera of a "normal" city. A much smaller city is
easier to defend and easier to fix later.

How much smaller can we *get? New Orleans itself--where the seriously bad
flooding issues are primarily located--is smaller than Austin Texas.
Smaller than Long Beach California.

But, as I have said, I am pissing up wind. We are going to re-build
without a thought of other options.

Well, we keep rebuilding LA. Billions are spent on LA not just in
rebuilding but in earthquake preparation. The only reason that city keeps
making it through earthquakes are the billions being spent on it. Notice a
pattern? Spend money in preparation, you survive. Neglect a city, it's
devastated.
Of course, if the Newport-Inglewood goes off with a 7 something, all bets
are off for LA...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
--------------------------------------------------
"We're angry, Mr. President, and we'll be angry long
after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have
been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing.
Many who could have been were not. That's to the
government's shame."
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2D511CBB
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User: ""

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 03:25:22 PM
Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Well, we keep rebuilding LA. Billions are spent on LA not just in
rebuilding but in earthquake preparation. The only reason that city keeps
making it through earthquakes are the billions being spent on it. Notice a
pattern? Spend money in preparation, you survive. Neglect a city, it's
devastated.

Of course, if the Newport-Inglewood goes off with a 7 something, all bets
are off for LA...

I used to live in Manhattan KS, we had a good
basement for a tornada shelter and lived on
a hill, I thought I was safe from everything.
Then my cousin did a report on the cold war
and found out that in the event of nuclear
war, were the second most likely town to go,
because a communication center was located
near us.
Larry
.
User: "Christopher A. Lee"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 04:17:40 PM
On 13 Sep 2005 13:25:22 -0700,
wrote:


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Well, we keep rebuilding LA. Billions are spent on LA not just in
rebuilding but in earthquake preparation. The only reason that city keeps
making it through earthquakes are the billions being spent on it. Notice a
pattern? Spend money in preparation, you survive. Neglect a city, it's
devastated.

Of course, if the Newport-Inglewood goes off with a 7 something, all bets
are off for LA...


I used to live in Manhattan KS, we had a good
basement for a tornada shelter and lived on
a hill, I thought I was safe from everything.

Then my cousin did a report on the cold war
and found out that in the event of nuclear
war, were the second most likely town to go,
because a communication center was located
near us.

The British did a similar exercise in the 1980s, and many of the
targets were close to known "secret" sites. So activist reporters
investigated all the others and discovered a whole slew more "secret"
sites.
For the next one, they were all either major cities with airports etc,
or small places with invented secret sites.


Larry

.

User: "Harry F. Leopold"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 04:42:54 PM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:25:22 -0500,
wrote
(in article <1126643122.529531.47040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Well, we keep rebuilding LA. Billions are spent on LA not just in
rebuilding but in earthquake preparation. The only reason that city keeps
making it through earthquakes are the billions being spent on it. Notice a
pattern? Spend money in preparation, you survive. Neglect a city, it's
devastated.

Of course, if the Newport-Inglewood goes off with a 7 something, all bets
are off for LA...


I used to live in Manhattan KS, we had a good
basement for a tornada shelter and lived on
a hill, I thought I was safe from everything.

Then my cousin did a report on the cold war
and found out that in the event of nuclear
war, were the second most likely town to go,
because a communication center was located
near us.

Don't forget about the two missile bases near Manhattan. Diane just reminded
me of them. (I am not from this area, I have only lived here for the last 20+
years. Give me another few decades and I may be able to find things around
here. Maybe.)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
³I was raised Southern Baptist, brat; I cut my eyeteeth in the revival tent
circuit. I ate breakfast with all the saints, and know 'em by their first
names. I sweetened my cereal with brimstone and kept warm by hellfire on
cold winter mornings.³ - Kermit
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 16 Sep 2005 11:09:20 PM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:42:54 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:25:22 -0500,

wrote
(in article <1126643122.529531.47040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Well, we keep rebuilding LA. Billions are spent on LA not just in
rebuilding but in earthquake preparation. The only reason that city keeps
making it through earthquakes are the billions being spent on it. Notice a
pattern? Spend money in preparation, you survive. Neglect a city, it's
devastated.

Of course, if the Newport-Inglewood goes off with a 7 something, all bets
are off for LA...


I used to live in Manhattan KS, we had a good
basement for a tornada shelter and lived on
a hill, I thought I was safe from everything.

Then my cousin did a report on the cold war
and found out that in the event of nuclear
war, were the second most likely town to go,
because a communication center was located
near us.


Don't forget about the two missile bases near Manhattan. Diane just reminded
me of them. (I am not from this area, I have only lived here for the last 20+
years. Give me another few decades and I may be able to find things around
here. Maybe.)

Cold-war relics?
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.
User: "Harry F. Leopold"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 17 Sep 2005 07:00:01 AM
On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:09:20 -0500, stoney wrote
(in article <hm5ni1p15am637lq6n2007m4epopv46dcd@4ax.com>):

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:42:54 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:25:22 -0500,

wrote
(in article <1126643122.529531.47040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Well, we keep rebuilding LA. Billions are spent on LA not just in
rebuilding but in earthquake preparation. The only reason that city keeps
making it through earthquakes are the billions being spent on it. Notice a
pattern? Spend money in preparation, you survive. Neglect a city, it's
devastated.

Of course, if the Newport-Inglewood goes off with a 7 something, all bets
are off for LA...


I used to live in Manhattan KS, we had a good
basement for a tornada shelter and lived on
a hill, I thought I was safe from everything.

Then my cousin did a report on the cold war
and found out that in the event of nuclear
war, were the second most likely town to go,
because a communication center was located
near us.


Don't forget about the two missile bases near Manhattan. Diane just
reminded
me of them. (I am not from this area, I have only lived here for the last
20+
years. Give me another few decades and I may be able to find things around
here. Maybe.)


Cold-war relics?

Damned if I know, neither of us knows for certain on those.
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"No gods were harmed during the making of this post" - Ernest Fairchild
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 17 Sep 2005 11:10:01 PM
On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:00:01 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:09:20 -0500, stoney wrote
(in article <hm5ni1p15am637lq6n2007m4epopv46dcd@4ax.com>):

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 16:42:54 -0500, Harry F. Leopold
<hleopold@coxyx.net> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:25:22 -0500,

wrote
(in article <1126643122.529531.47040@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>):


Mark K. Bilbo wrote:

Well, we keep rebuilding LA. Billions are spent on LA not just in
rebuilding but in earthquake preparation. The only reason that city keeps
making it through earthquakes are the billions being spent on it. Notice a
pattern? Spend money in preparation, you survive. Neglect a city, it's
devastated.

Of course, if the Newport-Inglewood goes off with a 7 something, all bets
are off for LA...


I used to live in Manhattan KS, we had a good
basement for a tornada shelter and lived on
a hill, I thought I was safe from everything.

Then my cousin did a report on the cold war
and found out that in the event of nuclear
war, were the second most likely town to go,
because a communication center was located
near us.


Don't forget about the two missile bases near Manhattan. Diane just
reminded
me of them. (I am not from this area, I have only lived here for the last
20+
years. Give me another few decades and I may be able to find things around
here. Maybe.)


Cold-war relics?


Damned if I know, neither of us knows for certain on those.

Lot of the relics around.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
Religion is the original war crime.
-Michelle Malkin (Feb 26, 2005)
.





User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: 25 Stupid Quotes About Hurrican Katrina 13 Sep 2005 06:40:52 PM
On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 15:15:10 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in
<Rv2dnY4XCe3WrrrenZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@megapath.net> wrote:

In <0iaei15mic61346q5fejpta1nkrkaf0an9@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 11:21:04 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <3vudnQqvXfroYbveRVn-2w@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <blndi1lipdo7void4a0pnmifbavp44ibqc@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 06:41:19 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <QqudnZP5p5hAJ7veRVn-oA@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <8rici19d8k1s8s443gh6sp8ok5jpiqi0u2@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Mon, 12 Sep 2005 21:46:03 -0500, in alt.atheism , "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> in <bqydnREMsqLwoLveRVn-jQ@megapath.net>
wrote:

In <i71bi15khted6cpsesfluk9mdnopspvuq8@4ax.com>, Matt Silberstein
<RemoveThisPrefixmatts2nospam@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

On Sun, 11 Sep 2005 22:26:40 -0400, in alt.atheism , "Michelle
Malkin" <hypatiab7@comcast.net> in
<7IadnXcOf5LDerneRVn-tQ@comcast.com> wrote:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/currentevents/a/katrinaquotes.htm


I agree with Hastert, as do lots of people at the moment, it is
kind of silly to just rebuild in the same place. Keep the French
quarter, keep the port, and rebuild the minimum necessary to
support them.


So we'll be depopulating Florida and resettling them elsewhere will
we?


The water leaves Florida when the storm passes. They have done way
too much building on the coast and are going to pay for that several
times in the coming decade, but I don't happen to know of any place
in Florida as vulnerable as New Orleans.


Los Angeles for one. What a stupid idea to build on an active fault
line!

And move St. Louis while we're at it. The New Madrid could flatten it
any day now...


I am very sorry for your loss and I do understand the pain involved and
the pain of loss of place. But you and others seem to argue that people
should live anywhere they want to no matter the risk. You counter my
claim of an unacceptable risk due to some specific feature with a point
that other places have risks. They sure do, so we try to figure out
where the risks/costs are acceptable and where they are not.

Now I could be wrong about New Orleans. But the argument for that is
not that L.A. has faults. It is that it will cost only X to protect NO
from a direct hit from a Cat 4/5. (Remember, as bad as things are, this
was a near miss.


Where *are you getting that? Are you aware that hurricanes rotate
counter-clockwise? One of the greatest dangers to the city is a strike
slightly to the East which happened. That means the waters of
Pontchartrain are being swept into the city and canals are being
overloaded (like the 17th Street Canal).


Other way around. Yes, they rotate counter clockwise. That means that the
biggest winds and largest swells are on the right side. The wind on the
left is moving back to the direction of movement of the hurricane itself.
If the storm is moving at 15 miles an hour there can be a 30 mph
difference between what you feel on the left and the right and several
feet in storm surge.

Notice that the Mississippi coast, to the East of the eye was simply
flattened.


Yes. The right side is worse. NO took the left side the storm. Katrina
took a jog to the left at the last minute, if it had not NO would have had
much more wind and more water and a higher surge.


You need to look at a map and find Pontchartrain. The way Katrina came in
was about as bad as it gets. The comments of "could have been worse" were
followed with "the levies could have broken" then followed immediately
with "oh *****!"

Now ask yourself what would have happened if the surge had been 2 or 3
or more feet higher and the winds 30 mph more. Mark, you got the
"side" issue wrong, now you are saying it does not matter. It does.
[snip]

Suppose several more levees had given way?


Well, the ones in St. Bernard are gone. Not "gave way." They don't exist
anymore.

Which is terrible. Now what if more had done that? Not all of them
failed.

Instead of having one breach in
each they could have had several and had the whole city flooded much
faster. The escape time could have been shortened by hours and the flood
rising much faster over a much larger area. And if the chemical plants had
blown then that water might be much worse.


Possibly. Interestingly enough, though, they were designed for a Cat 3 and
a lot of the system made it through an usually large Cat 4.

Engineers tend to over engineer and owners tend to under budget. It is
an interesting tension.
[snip]

I agree. It serves several essential functions. I don't suggest abandoning
anyone or abandoning the city. As I said, we need a port and the French
Quarter is high enough to save. But it does not need a sports stadium and
all the rest of the ephemera of a "normal" city. A much smaller city is
easier to defend and easier to fix later.


How much smaller can we *get? New Orleans itself--where the seriously bad
flooding issues are primarily located--is smaller than Austin Texas.
Smaller than Long Beach California.

But, as I have said, I am pissing up wind. We are going to re-build
without a thought of other options.


Well, we keep rebuilding LA. Billions are spent on LA not just in
rebuilding but in earthquake preparation. The only reason that city keeps
making it through earthquakes are the billions being spent on it. Notice a
pattern? Spend money in preparation, you survive. Neglect a city, it's
devastated.

No, I don't notice some absolute pattern that does not does not
require an input at all. Yes, some places are safe enough if you spend
enough on risk mitigation. Some places are not. Timbuktu was one of
the great cities of the world. It is not covered with sand. The
question is not should we abandon every place with a risk, but what
risks can we sufficiently and economically mitigate and what risks
can't we do so.

Of course, if the Newport-Inglewood goes off with a 7 something, all bets
are off for LA...

I am sure you have a point.
--
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