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02 Apr 2004 10:00:37 AM |
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4 Contentments from God |
4 Contentments from God
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrightous man his thoughts; and
let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our
God, for He will abundantly pardon." Isaiah 55:7
"...because your sins are forgiven you for His names sake." I John 4:12
2. Peace
God gives us His peace for He is peace
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world
giveth, give I you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be
afraid." John 14:27
"And the peace of god, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your
hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Phil 4:7
3. Purpose
God establishes a purpose for each of His own.
Our purpose in life is to worship God and to have fellowship with Him.
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship
Him." John 4:23
4. Power
God grants us His power to live for Him
"But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you:"
Acts 1:8
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that parish foolishness; but
unto us which are saved it is the power of God." I Cor 1:18
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheth me." Phil 4:13
Can you see these contentments in your life as you walk with the Lord
Jesus Christ?
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02 Apr 2004 10:39:32 AM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
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4 Contentments from God
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
So as an atheist I'm pardoned by the god?
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrightous man his thoughts; and
let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our
God, for He will abundantly pardon." Isaiah 55:7
Well, this seems to say I'm NOT pardoned. Were you lying before?
"...because your sins are forgiven you for His names sake." I John 4:12
This seems to say I am pardoned. So was Isaiah 55:7 a lie?
I'm an atheist, am I pardoned by this supposed god of yours or not?
2. Peace
God gives us His peace for He is peace
Unless you were firstborn of Egypt. Or one of the tribes slaughtered at the
god's command. Or a moneylender in a temple. Or present for the supposed
armageddon. Or...
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world
giveth, give I you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be
afraid." John 14:27
But I'll kill you if I don't like you? Yeah, that's completely serene.
"And the peace of god, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your
hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Phil 4:7
Death = Peace of God
Right?
3. Purpose
God establishes a purpose for each of His own.
And slave owners had a purpose for each slave. What's your point?
Our purpose in life is to worship God and to have fellowship with Him.
Fellowship is something that happens between equals.
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship
Him." John 4:23
Why, is the god insecure?
4. Power
God grants us His power to live for Him
That's not a grant, that would be a payment for services rendered.
"But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you:"
Acts 1:8
What kind of power? The power to fly? Shoot webs from your wrists? Project
room-temperature fire?
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that parish foolishness; but
unto us which are saved it is the power of God." I Cor 1:18
My, how inclusive.
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheth me." Phil 4:13
Wow! Omnipotence? That IS power.
How do two or more omnipotent beings occupy the same universe?
Can you see these contentments in your life as you walk with the Lord
Jesus Christ?
I can't even see the Jesus Christ character.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Callipygian Nullifidian" |
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02 Apr 2004 02:10:35 PM |
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"Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in message
news:BsudnQbdHPYeCvDdRVn-hA@io.com...
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: "IKnowNothingDoYou" <IKnowNothing@leavings.com> wrote in message
: news:IKnowHim-0204040800370001@pm3-32.kalama.com...
: > 4 Contemptuousnesses from Dog
....
: > "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the
world
: > giveth, give I you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let
it be
: > afraid." John 14:27
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KJV
Dipshit can't even quote a proper version. Try: "Peace I leave with
you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do
not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid." NIV
Now, doesn't that make a bit more sense?
: But I'll kill you if I don't like you? Yeah, that's completely
serene.
:
: > "And the peace of god, which passeth all understanding, shall keep
your
: > hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Phil 4:7
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: Death = Peace of God
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: Right?
It couldn't be anything else.....
: > Our purpose in life is to worship God and to have fellowship with
Him.
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: Fellowship is something that happens between equals.
And gawd is not our equal, ghad is our inferior (or would be, if he
existed).
....
: > "But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Spirit is come
upon you:"
: > Acts 1:8
Like, after you pay the power company?
....
: > "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheth me." Phil
4:13
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: Wow! Omnipotence? That IS power.
:
: How do two or more omnipotent beings occupy the same universe?
Wanna bet it's similar to the way xians can also believe in evolution?
: > Can you see these contentments in your life as you walk with the
Lord
: > Jesus Christ?
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: I can't even see the Jesus Christ character.
That's 'cause he's one of them non-printing characters.
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| User: "David Jensen" |
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02 Apr 2004 11:09:30 PM |
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In alt.talk.creationism, "Denis Loubet" <dloubet@io.com> wrote in
<BsudnQbdHPYeCvDdRVn-hA@io.com>:
"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-0204040800370001@pm3-32.kalama.com...
4 Contentments from God
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
So as an atheist I'm pardoned by the god?
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrightous man his thoughts; and
let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our
God, for He will abundantly pardon." Isaiah 55:7
Well, this seems to say I'm NOT pardoned. Were you lying before?
Clearly it's a conditional unconditional pardon. Jesus didn't have
conditions but the Church of Self-Righteous Christians doesn't have any
time for Jesus's humanism.
"...because your sins are forgiven you for His names sake." I John 4:12
This seems to say I am pardoned. So was Isaiah 55:7 a lie?
I'm an atheist, am I pardoned by this supposed god of yours or not?
2. Peace
God gives us His peace for He is peace
Unless you were firstborn of Egypt. Or one of the tribes slaughtered at the
god's command. Or a moneylender in a temple. Or present for the supposed
armageddon. Or...
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world
giveth, give I you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be
afraid." John 14:27
But I'll kill you if I don't like you? Yeah, that's completely serene.
"And the peace of god, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your
hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Phil 4:7
Death = Peace of God
Right?
3. Purpose
God establishes a purpose for each of His own.
And slave owners had a purpose for each slave. What's your point?
Our purpose in life is to worship God and to have fellowship with Him.
Fellowship is something that happens between equals.
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship
Him." John 4:23
Why, is the god insecure?
4. Power
God grants us His power to live for Him
That's not a grant, that would be a payment for services rendered.
"But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you:"
Acts 1:8
What kind of power? The power to fly? Shoot webs from your wrists? Project
room-temperature fire?
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that parish foolishness; but
unto us which are saved it is the power of God." I Cor 1:18
My, how inclusive.
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheth me." Phil 4:13
Wow! Omnipotence? That IS power.
How do two or more omnipotent beings occupy the same universe?
Can you see these contentments in your life as you walk with the Lord
Jesus Christ?
I can't even see the Jesus Christ character.
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| User: "Falcon" |
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02 Apr 2004 12:13:13 PM |
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In article <BsudnQbdHPYeCvDdRVn-hA@io.com>, Denis Loubet says...
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
So as an atheist I'm pardoned by the god?
No, as an atheist you are condemned by your own sins. We are all condemned by
our sins - the wages of sin is death. It is only by the perfect atonement of
Yeshua that can we have our sins forgiven and paid for on our behalf. Yeshua is
the only way to find pardon and subsequent life.
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrightous man his thoughts; and
let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our
God, for He will abundantly pardon." Isaiah 55:7
Well, this seems to say I'm NOT pardoned. Were you lying before?
No, as an atheist you are not pardoned. No one is lying, there is a distinction
to be made in the audience of the comment. When one is speaking to Christians
one can say you are pardoned for your sins because that is true. That does not
mean the statement applies to atheists, that audience does not have faith in
Yeshua and therefore the statement does not apply to them.
"...because your sins are forgiven you for His names sake." I John 4:12
This seems to say I am pardoned. So was Isaiah 55:7 a lie?
I'm an atheist, am I pardoned by this supposed god of yours or not?
See comments above. If you have a desire to be pardoned then seek Yeshua while
you still can, He is not hard to find and the reward is tremendous.
2. Peace
God gives us His peace for He is peace
Unless you were firstborn of Egypt. Or one of the tribes slaughtered at the
god's command. Or a moneylender in a temple. Or present for the supposed
armageddon. Or...
All statements are not universal for all audiences. Christians have peace in
knowing that Yeshua has redeemed us, saved us and given us eternal life.
Atheists have no such thing to look forward to and hence this statement does not
apply to that group.
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world
giveth, give I you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be
afraid." John 14:27
But I'll kill you if I don't like you? Yeah, that's completely serene.
No, we have all killed ourselves through sin. All have sinned, not one does
good. We all deserve to die for the sins we have committed. Yeshua has paid
that penalty for us and through our faith in Him we are no longer condemned to
death but rather given life. Death is a scary thought and not serene, but as
Christians we can know that Yeshua has overcome the death we all deserve and we
have so much to look forward, not something to dread.
"And the peace of god, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your
hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Phil 4:7
Death = Peace of God
Right?
God came to die in our place that we might live. So in a sense, yes, the death,
and resurrection of Yeshua is what gives us peace. It is the only true peace we
will have and it is eternally with God.
3. Purpose
God establishes a purpose for each of His own.
And slave owners had a purpose for each slave. What's your point?
Slave owners are not God so I am not sure why you would think this to be a valid
comparison.
Our purpose in life is to worship God and to have fellowship with Him.
Fellowship is something that happens between equals.
Fellowship is not just between equals, I am not sure where you got that notion.
Parents can fellowship with their children and they are certainly not equals so
I am not sure what your point is here.
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship
Him." John 4:23
Why, is the god insecure?
Not insecure, the statement does not say that at all. The passage says that God
does not want false worship.
4. Power
God grants us His power to live for Him
That's not a grant, that would be a payment for services rendered.
What services? We have done nothing to earn our salvation. God has done it all
for us through the death of Yeshua in our place, in our stead.
"But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you:"
Acts 1:8
What kind of power? The power to fly? Shoot webs from your wrists? Project
room-temperature fire?
The Holy Spirit is a gift from God to help us in our days on this earth. A
comforter, a teacher, and one who prays for us.
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that parish foolishness; but
unto us which are saved it is the power of God." I Cor 1:18
My, how inclusive.
Yes it is, but there are no bars on the door keeping anyone out. You may enter
into life anytime you wish, put your faith in Yeshua.
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheth me." Phil 4:13
Wow! Omnipotence? That IS power.
Not omnipotence, only God has that attribute.
How do two or more omnipotent beings occupy the same universe?
Can you see these contentments in your life as you walk with the Lord
Jesus Christ?
I can't even see the Jesus Christ character.
You may not think you see him but His handiwork is there for all to see in this
very creation we live in. You may not think you see Him but your God-given
conscience testifies of Him. You may not think you see Him but He is there and
in plain view.
Ciao,
Falcon
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| User: "walksalone" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 03:39:47 PM |
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On 2 Apr 2004 10:13:13 -0800, Falcon wrote:
Follow up se to ARCB
In article <BsudnQbdHPYeCvDdRVn-hA@io.com>, Denis Loubet says...
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
So as an atheist I'm pardoned by the god?
No, as an atheist you are condemned by your own sins. We are all condemned by
Wrong answer, you are condemned for a concept that flies in th face of a
just or merciful deity.
Ex: Ahone condemns no one, they won't join him at their death, but he just
does not care if you have a wonderful life or not.
Nor, like the xian pantheon from Yaweh down, to include the minor gods, he
does not do personal appearances. He actually expects you to leave hi alone
& make the best life you can with what he has given you.
According to those that accept him that is.
our sins - the wages of sin is death. It is only by the perfect atonement of
Yeshua that can we have our sins forgiven and paid for on our behalf. Yeshua is
the only way to find pardon and subsequent life.
The man that never was, strange how that works out. Still, it is not as
mysterious as Io, who was only known to the priesthood & Royalty. Knowledge
of him as forbidden to commoners. talk about an exclusive god.
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrightous man his thoughts; and
let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our
God, for He will abundantly pardon." Isaiah 55:7
Well, this seems to say I'm NOT pardoned. Were you lying before?
No, as an atheist you are not pardoned. No one is lying, there is a distinction
IOW, the supposed perfect gift is not a gift but a bribe? Worked for
Abraham, should work for everyone else then?
to be made in the audience of the comment. When one is speaking to Christians
one can say you are pardoned for your sins because that is true. That does not
mean the statement applies to atheists, that audience does not have faith in
Yeshua and therefore the statement does not apply to them.
No why is that not a surprise, buy or fry. Seems a common theme among th
revealed mythology's of the desert.
"...because your sins are forgiven you for His names sake." I John 4:12
This seems to say I am pardoned. So was Isaiah 55:7 a lie?
I'm an atheist, am I pardoned by this supposed god of yours or not?
See comments above. If you have a desire to be pardoned then seek Yeshua while
you still can, He is not hard to find and the reward is tremendous.
2. Peace
God gives us His peace for He is peace
Unless you were firstborn of Egypt. Or one of the tribes slaughtered at the
god's command. Or a moneylender in a temple. Or present for the supposed
armageddon. Or...
All statements are not universal for all audiences. Christians have peace in
AKA, there is no easy rebuttal for this observation, so I will make a
special plea, one that excludes it from the conversation according to me.
A common problem I agree, but one xianity made for itself.
After all, the world was supposed to disappear somewhere around +70 r.
according to your missing godlet. That statement, some will not taste
death, has haunted them since it was made.
knowing that Yeshua has redeemed us, saved us and given us eternal life.
Make that hoping & you will receive no disagreement from e.
Atheists have no such thing to look forward to and hence this statement does not
apply to that group.
Indeed, which gives them all the more incentive to live good & full lives.
After all, when the artist s gone, the work of his hands remains in a
surprisingly high number of cases.
snip remanent of apologetics.
walksalone who long since realised that given one life, it was up to him to
live it.
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| User: "Ph˙ltęr" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 10:18:16 AM |
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(IKnowHimDoYou) astounded us with: news:IKnowHim-
0204040800370001@pm3-32.kalama.com:
4 Contentments from God
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
Gee, magnanimity at its best....
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Ph˙ltęr
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://afjc.clickhalah.com/forum/index.php
Change "freeway" to "hotmail" to respond
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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02 Apr 2004 12:31:50 PM |
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(IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
2. Peace
God gives us His peace for He is peace
I am not in conflict.
3. Purpose
God establishes a purpose for each of His own.
I am not without purpose. I need no one to "give" me one.
4. Power
God grants us His power to live for Him
Only the truly powerless fantasize about being "granted" power.
Elf
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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02 Apr 2004 01:24:37 PM |
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"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Gomez Addams
*"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet." *
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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02 Apr 2004 04:45:36 PM |
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"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> writes:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's so funny? I'm not a Christian; I don't believe in the
Christian concept of sin. It's another silly thing Christians say,
along with my "being angry at God." If I were _angry_ at God, I'd have
to believe one existed first.
Elf
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 05:34:41 PM |
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"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3ad1uq9rj.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> writes:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's so funny? I'm not a Christian; I don't believe in the
Christian concept of sin.
Doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not, it's still there. You
are a sinner. If you weren't afraid of God you would BOLDLY proclaim YES I
AM A SINNER AND THERE'S NOT A DAMNED THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
You can't tell me you have never sinned. That is too ludicrous to
discuss, even if we are only talking about so-called secular sins.
Golly I'm glad I didn't killfile you; you're a regular laugh riot!
HAH!!!!!
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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05 Apr 2004 10:15:40 AM |
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"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> writes:
Doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not, it's still there.
No, it's not. I'm not a Hindu, therefore I don't believe in my
"third eye." By your logic, it's still there, right?
You are a sinner.
If you weren't afraid of God you would BOLDLY proclaim YES I AM A
SINNER AND THERE'S NOT A DAMNED THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
There is no god. Since, according to your myth, god assigns and
tallies sin, since it's just a myth I cannot sin. You may not like me
and what I do, but I refuse to use your ridiculous mythological labels.
I could no more stand being labeled a "sinner" than I could stand being
labeled a dhimmi by a Muslim or a dalit (condemned to reincarnation as a
lower animal) by a Hindu.
You can't tell me you have never sinned. That is too ludicrous to
discuss, even if we are only talking about so-called secular sins.
"Secular sin" is about as meaningful as "Christian atheist."
ELf
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 06:17:51 PM |
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"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> wrote in message
news:lMmbc.8843$yN6.7243@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3ad1uq9rj.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> writes:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's so funny? I'm not a Christian; I don't believe in the
Christian concept of sin.
Doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not, it's still there.
Tom: No it isn't.
You are a sinner.
Tom: No he isn't.
If you weren't afraid of God you would BOLDLY proclaim YES I
AM A SINNER AND THERE'S NOT A DAMNED THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
You can't tell me you have never sinned.
Tom: Of course he can junior, sin is an offense against god. Since god
doesn't exist then he can't sin.
That is too ludicrous to
discuss, even if we are only talking about so-called secular sins.
What is too ludicrous to discuss is your lack of intelligence.
Golly I'm glad I didn't killfile you; you're a regular laugh riot!
HAH!!!!!
Tom: I'm glad I didn't killfile you, I need the levity.
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 06:05:58 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:34:41 +0000 in episode
<lMmbc.8843$yN6.7243@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> we saw our hero
"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con>:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3ad1uq9rj.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> writes:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's so funny? I'm not a Christian; I don't believe in the
Christian concept of sin.
Doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not, it's still there. You
are a sinner. If you weren't afraid of God you would BOLDLY proclaim YES I
AM A SINNER AND THERE'S NOT A DAMNED THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
You can't tell me you have never sinned. That is too ludicrous to
discuss, even if we are only talking about so-called secular sins.
Golly I'm glad I didn't killfile you; you're a regular laugh riot!
HAH!!!!!
"Sin" is a concept of the christian religion. It simply doesn't *apply to
people who don't believe that religion.
Sorry.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Liz" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 07:36:09 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Apr 2004 23:34:41 GMT, "Gomez Addams"
<Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> in news message
<lMmbc.8843$yN6.7243@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
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"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> writes:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What's so funny? I'm not a Christian; I don't believe in the
Christian concept of sin.
Doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not, it's still there.
Oh, don't be silly, you gloocher.
You
are a sinner. If you weren't afraid of God you would BOLDLY proclaim YES I
AM A SINNER AND THERE'S NOT A DAMNED THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
You seem to be very, very anxious to please this entity. Would you
feel better about yourself if I told you that you really don't need to
abase yourself to something that doesn't exist. There is no need to
be afraid of such a being, and groveling is so unbecoming. Just say
no!
You can't tell me you have never sinned.
I've never sinned.
That is too ludicrous to
discuss, even if we are only talking about so-called secular sins.
There are no secular sins. You seem to be confusing illegal and
unethical behavior with acts that allegedly displease your God®. They
are not the same thing, and those displeasing acts change depending
upon whom you ask. Some people say that card playing and dancing are
sins. Some people say that birth control is a sin. Some people say
that reading certain books is a sin. None of these are illegal or
unethical.
Golly I'm glad I didn't killfile you; you're a regular laugh riot!
HAH!!!!!
You have no idea how delighted I am that you find your stay here
humorous.
Überwench #658 Now a *real* atheist!
Dame Liz the Undaunted Ath.D BAAWA
Charter Member of SMASH
and Queen of the known universe
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
04 Apr 2004 09:24:42 AM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Gomez Addams:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3ad1uq9rj.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
What's so funny? I'm not a Christian; I don't believe in the
Christian concept of sin.
Doesn't matter whether you believe in it or not, it's still there.
Your opinion.
You are a sinner.
Your opinion.
If you weren't afraid of God you would BOLDLY proclaim YES I
AM A SINNER AND THERE'S NOT A DAMNED THING ANYBODY CAN DO ABOUT IT.
Sin was invented by religious idiots like you. It has no place in reality.
Ever been pulled over for a sin?
You can't tell me you have never sinned.
He just did, idiot.
That is too ludicrous to
discuss, even if we are only talking about so-called secular sins.
[raises one eyebrow]
So there's a hierarchy?
Golly I'm glad I didn't killfile you; you're a regular laugh riot!
HAH!!!!!
Golly? Laugh it up now Gomer, while you have the chance. Because when you
die, it's over, just like that, just like before you were born. No
judgement day, no jeezuz waiting for you, no hell just in case you chose
the wrong god. Just non-existence. Deal.
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "IKnowHimDoYou" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
03 Apr 2004 10:28:51 AM |
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In article <V5jbc.7711$NL4.696@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Gomez
Addams" <dont@go.there> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Gomez Addams
*"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet." *
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We will be there when he tries to tell that to God...
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
03 Apr 2004 10:39:03 AM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-0304040828510001@pm6-14.kalama.com...
In article <V5jbc.7711$NL4.696@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Gomez
Addams" <dont@go.there> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Gomez Addams
*"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet." *
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IDon't KnowShit: We will be there when he tries to tell that to God...
Tom: There is no god, get used to it!
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
03 Apr 2004 01:56:13 PM |
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"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-0304040828510001@pm6-14.kalama.com...
In article <V5jbc.7711$NL4.696@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Gomez
Addams" <dont@go.there> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Gomez Addams
*"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet." *
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We will be there when he tries to tell that to God...
Umph. That makes my blood run cold. I know I'll be there watching, but
it doesn't make it sound like any fun. Maybe that's why it's called The
Great and TERRIBLE Day of the LORD.
--
Gomez Addams
"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet."
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| User: "Tom" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
03 Apr 2004 02:48:26 PM |
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"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> wrote in message
news:xFEbc.9263$NL4.230@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"IKnowHimDoYou" <IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com> wrote in message
news:IKnowHim-0304040828510001@pm6-14.kalama.com...
In article <V5jbc.7711$NL4.696@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Gomez
Addams" <dont@go.there> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Gomez Addams
*"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet." *
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We will be there when he tries to tell that to God...
Umph. That makes my blood run cold. I know I'll be there watching, but
it doesn't make it sound like any fun. Maybe that's why it's called The
Great and TERRIBLE Day of the LORD.
Tom: Poor deluded people. No one will be there, including god, because he
doesn't exist!!!
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
03 Apr 2004 10:19:13 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:28:51 -0800 in episode
<IKnowHim-0304040828510001@pm6-14.kalama.com> we saw our hero
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou):
In article <V5jbc.7711$NL4.696@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Gomez
Addams" <dont@go.there> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Gomez Addams
*"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet." * .
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We will be there when he tries to tell that to God...
I'll be there when you try explaining things to Thor.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism,
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
- Mussolini
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
03 Apr 2004 08:30:54 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:28:51 -0800,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
In article <V5jbc.7711$NL4.696@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Gomez
Addams" <dont@go.there> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
(IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Gomez Addams
*"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet." *
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We will be there when he tries to tell that to God...
Poor fucker.
Another brainwashed clueless ***** without the ability to think
about his words.
'You'll be there...'? Why?
Let me guess. Because your god wants you to see how righteous and
just he is while he makes someone squirm before sending him to eternal
torture. And you get to watch. That's heaven, right?
What will you be doing while this is happening? Standing next to
Good Pixie feeling superior? Being exonerated at atheist punishment?
Never mind we have the alleged free will your god gave us.
Idiot.
I could go on but it's useless. You can lead a christian to logic
but you can't make him think.
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| User: "Thomas P." |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
03 Apr 2004 01:11:09 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:28:51 -0800,
(IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
In article <V5jbc.7711$NL4.696@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>, "Gomez
Addams" <dont@go.there> wrote:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
(IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Gomez Addams
*"No one has ever changed their mind in the history of Usenet." *
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We will be there when he tries to tell that to God...
The above is an example of a fundy sex fantasy. He drools in
anticipation of all the wonderful pain he will get to watch while in
the loving arms of his Jesus.
Thomas P.
None of the Emperor's clothes had been so successful before.
"But he has got nothing on," said a little child.
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| User: "Vic Sagerquist" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 03:44:20 PM |
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One day in alt.atheism, Also Sprach Gomez Addams:
"Elf M. Sternberg" <elf@drizzle.com> wrote in message
news:m3fzbmqlih.fsf@kms-1.isilon.com...
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) writes:
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
I have not committed a sin, I need no pardon.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sin is in the eye of the beholder. If I told you you were a gloocher, and
glooch is punishable by the Invisible Pink Unicorn, who will hang you by
the balls for eternity, what would you say? That I'm full of *****? That
you have not committed a glooch? Don't you see how silly your religion is?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
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Give a man a fish, and you'll feed him for a day.
Give him a religion, and he'll starve to death while praying for a fish.
--Timothy Jones
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| User: "Thore Schmechtig" |
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03 Apr 2004 06:26:07 AM |
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1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
That's probably why I-know-***** sins so gladly and continously. ;)
2. Peace
God gives us His peace for He is peace
Note that this comes from one who routinely calls for war against all
who didn't join his cult.
3. Purpose
God establishes a purpose for each of His own.
I-know-***** obviously thinks that his purpose is to be an *****.
4. Power
God grants us His power to live for Him
And I-know-STIT uses that "power" to resist every threat posed by
reason, humanity, or justice.
Can you see these contentments in your life as you walk with the Lord
Jesus Christ?
"By their fruits you shall know them" indeed. So much for those caring,
loving, wonderful christians. ;)
12 - 9 = ?
--
UNWRITTEN RULES OF (PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN) FUNDAMENTALISM
(Found in alt.bible, authors unknown)
1. "I'm right and you are wrong".
2. Never admit that you are wrong, even if you really are.
3. When you have nothing to say, hurl insults.
4. Regard and portray your own violence, whether physical, psychological,
or verbal, at all times as defensive
4a. Specific example for 4.: Cry for "freedom of religion", but whenever followers of other faiths want the same freedom and courts agree, scream "Persecution!"
5. Be prepared at all times to lie and bluster, particularly when backed
into a corner in an argument
5a. When caught lying, always accuse the opposition of lying rather than be honest and admit the obvious
6. Never accept responsibility for any mess you have personally caused.
7. When you are forced to admit to an error, regard the whole process of
error and correction as part of God's personal plan for you and not as a
something for which you should apologise retract or make amends except
verbally and secretly to God himself
8. Always see yourself and you personal actions as part of God's plans for
the world. Recognise that even your errors are just part of Gods will for
the betterment of mankind.
9.Profess humility but avoid the actual experience of it.
10.Refuse to take in information that differs from your own view and
oppose all such information through classification of such information in
a derogatory and simplistic manner(eg by categorising it as left wing
propaganda)
11.Refuse to accept that truth is not black and white; that reality is
complex and there are shades of grey
12.Refuse to forgive anyone else for anything unless you purport to
forgive on behalf of other people unconnected with you for whom you don't
have that right anyhow.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 10:18:13 PM |
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IKnowHimDoYou wrote:
4 Contentments from God
1. Pardon
God has already pardoned our sins
Great for the priests to have this kind of control over the flock.
"Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrightous man his thoughts; and
let him return unto the Lord, and He will have mercy upon him; and to our
God, for He will abundantly pardon." Isaiah 55:7
"...because your sins are forgiven you for His names sake." I John 4:12
2. Peace
God gives us His peace for He is peace
Yes Peace - take a look around the world today and the peace of your
particular god is quite obvious.
Peace, like today, is what simple primitives wanted too and this imagionary
god was supposed to provide it. He has been doing a lousy job ever since!
"Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you; not as the world
giveth, give I you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be
afraid." John 14:27
"And the peace of god, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your
hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." Phil 4:7
3. Purpose
God establishes a purpose for each of His own.
Our purpose in life is to worship God and to have fellowship with Him.
And remain a member of your particular club. As that is all religions are -
clubs. Man has been a clubbish animal ever since he hunted in packs wearing
a bear skin.
"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh such to worship
Him." John 4:23
4. Power
God grants us His power to live for Him
The bible talks of Power because that is all religonds are, 'power' to the
priests, 'power' over the flock, 'power' to control.
Find soemething in the bible about 'intelligence', we will have a long wait!
"But ye shall receive power after that the Holy Spirit is come upon you:"
Acts 1:8
Another nice one for the priests to use on the flock. i have covered the
power issue, it is the basis of all religions
"For the preaching of the cross is to them that parish foolishness; but
unto us which are saved it is the power of God." I Cor 1:18
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheth me." Phil 4:13
How rediculous
Can you see these contentments in your life as you walk with the Lord
Jesus Christ?
bob
A Brit.
Hong Kong
"Faith is deciding to allow yourself to believe
something your intellect would otherwise cause
you to reject -- otherwise there's no need for faith."
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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02 Apr 2004 06:16:55 PM |
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In a message sent 'round the world, IKnowHimDoYou poured fuel on the
fire with the following:
....
Can you see these contentments in your life as you walk with the Lord
Jesus Christ?
Nope. Must have something to do with the fact that Christianity is a
fallacy.
http://tinyurl.com/4gbs
http://tinyurl.com/4gby
http://tinyurl.com/qg1e
Regards,
Josef
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
-- Thomas Jefferson
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 06:52:52 PM |
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"Josef Balluch" <josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Ah, so your God is called Thomas Jefferson. Thanks for helping us to
have a clue as to the True Divine Name!!!
<plonk>
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| User: "Jeff Jones" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 07:27:59 PM |
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"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> wrote in message
news:EVnbc.8044$NL4.2494@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Josef Balluch" <josef.balluch@sympatico.can> wrote
I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.
-- Thomas Jefferson
Ah, so your God is called Thomas Jefferson. Thanks for helping us to
have a clue as to the True Divine Name!!!
<plonk>
Well at least Jefferson existed. That would put Jeffersonianism far and
above all the other ones proposed by mankind up til this point (with the
exception of Rastafarianism of course, their messiah actually existed as
well he just wasn't what they say he is).
Jeff Jones
Austin, Texas
aa #2044
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| User: "Gomez Addams" |
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| Title: Re: 4 Contentments from God |
02 Apr 2004 07:51:15 PM |
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"Jeff Jones" <jeffj@NOSPAMaustin.rr.com> wrote
Well at least Jefferson existed. That would put Jeffersonianism far and
above all the other ones proposed by mankind up til this point (with the
exception of Rastafarianism of course, their messiah actually existed as
well he just wasn't what they say he is).
If you read Flavius Josephus, a Jewish Pharisee captured by Vespasian
(later Caesar) in about 66AD, you'd know that the =facts= of the Gospel were
known to =unbelievers= in Jerusalem at the time of the Acts.
But then, I suppose yer probably too busy reading pseudointellectual
tripe to read actual history. Besides, it has some hard words in it, Latin,
Greek, and Hebrew, heck even some English!
PS- I thought the Rastas had TWO messiahs; Cheech and Chong! LOL :-)
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| User: "Jeff Jones" |
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03 Apr 2004 12:44:41 AM |
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"Gomez Addams" <Gomez&Morticia@Thing.con> wrote in message
news:nMobc.8150$NL4.5521@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
"Jeff Jones" <jeffj@NOSPAMaustin.rr.com> wrote
Well at least Jefferson existed. That would put Jeffersonianism far
and
above all the other ones proposed by mankind up til this point (with the
exception of Rastafarianism of course, their messiah actually existed as
well he just wasn't what they say he is).
If you read Flavius Josephus, a Jewish Pharisee captured by Vespasian
(later Caesar) in about 66AD, you'd know that the =facts= of the Gospel
were
known to =unbelievers= in Jerusalem at the time of the Acts.
But then, I suppose yer probably too busy reading pseudointellectual
tripe to read actual history. Besides, it has some hard words in it,
Latin,
Greek, and Hebrew, heck even some English!
PS- I thought the Rastas had TWO messiahs; Cheech and Chong! LOL :-)
Josephus! This is what you have? Josephus!!!!! All you have to fall back
on is a forgery and you accuse ME of not being well read enough. Man you
are a hoot!
Jeff Jones
Austin, Texas
aa #2044
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