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User: "Sri Bhagavan"
Date: 01 Apr 2004 02:14:55 PM
Object: 40 verses
The Forty Verses On Reality
By Ramana Maharshi:
Invocatory:
i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of existence? Free
from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the Source of all thoughts.
It is, therefore, called the Heart. How then is one to contemplate it? To be
as it is in the Heart, is Its contemplation.
ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the feet of the
Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and their
possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again? Deathless are
they.
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1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a unique
First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name and form, the
person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the light by which he
sees: he himself is all of these.
2. All religions postulate the three fundamentals, the world, the soul, and
God, but it is only the one Reality that manifests Itself as these three.
One can say, 'The three are really three' only so long as the ego lasts.
Therefore, to inhere in one's own Being, where the 'I', or ego, is dead, is
the perfect State.
3. 'The world is real.' 'No, it is a mere illusory appearance.' 'The world
is conscious.' 'No.' 'The world is happiness.' 'No.' What use is it to argue
thus? That State is agreeable to all, wherein, having given up the objective
outlook, one knows one's Self and loses all notions either of unity or
duality, of oneself and the ego.
4. If one has form oneself, the world and God also will appear to have form,
but if one is formless, who is it that sees those forms, and how? Without
the eye can any object be seen? The seeing Self is the Eye, and that Eye is
the Eye of Infinity.
5. The body is a form composed of the five-fold sheath; therefore, all the
five sheaths are implied in the term, body. Apart from the body does the
world exist? Has anyone seen the world without the body?
6. The world is nothing more than an embodiment of the objects perceived by
the five sense-organs. Since, through these five sense-organs, a single mind
perceives the world, the world is nothing but the mind. Apart from the mind
can there be a world?
7. Although the world and knowledge thereof rise and set together it is by
knowledge alone that the world is made apparent. That Perfection wherein the
world and knowledge thereof rise and set, and which shines without rising
and setting, is alone the Reality.
8. Under whatever name and form one may worship the Absolute Reality, it is
only a means for realizing It without name and form. That alone is true
realization, wherein one knows oneself in relation to that Reality, attains
peace and realizes one's identity with it.
9. The duality of subject and object and trinity of seer, sight, and seen
can exist only if supported by the One. If one turns inward in search of
that One Reality they fall away. Those who see this are those who see
Wisdom. They are never in doubt.
10. Ordinary knowledge is always accompanied by ignorance, and ignorance by
knowledge; the only true Knowledge is that by which one knows the Self
through enquiring whose is the knowledge and ignorance.
11. Is it not, rather, ignorance to know all else without knowing oneself,
the knower? As soon as one knows the Self, which is the substratum of
knowledge and ignorance, knowledge and ignorance perish.
12. That alone is true Knowledge which is neither knowledge nor ignorance.
What is known is not true Knowledge. Since the Self shines with nothing else
to know or to make known, It alone is Knowledge. It is not a void.
13. The Self, which is Knowledge, is the only Reality. Knowledge of
multiplicity is false knowledge. This false knowledge, which is really
ignorance, cannot exist apart from the Self, which is Knowledge-Reality. The
variety of gold ornaments is unreal, since none of them can exist without
the gold of which they are all made.
14. If the first person, I, exists, then the second and third persons, you
and he, will also exist. By enquiring into the nature of the I, the I
perishes. With it 'you' and 'he' also perish. The resultant state, which
shines as Absolute Being, is one's own natural state, the Self.
15. Only with reference to the present can the past and the future exist.
They too, while current, are the present. To try to determine the nature of
the past and the future while ignoring the present is like trying to count
without the unit.
16. Apart, from us where is time and where is space? If we are bodies, we
are involved in time and space, but are we? We are one and identical now,
then, and forever, here, and everywhere. Therefore we, timeless, and
spaceless Being, alone are.
17. To those who have not realized the Self, as well as to those who have,
the word 'I' refers to the body, but with this difference, that for those
who have not realized, the 'I' is confined to the body whereas for those who
have realized the Self within the body the 'I' shines as the limitless Self.
18. To those who have not realized (the Self) as well as to those who have
the world is real. But to those who have not realized, Truth is adapted to
the measure of the world, whereas to those that have, Truth shines as the
Formless Perfection, and as the Substratum of the world. This is all the
difference between them.
19. Only those who have no knowledge of the Source of destiny and free-will
dispute as to which of them prevails. They that know the Self as the one
Source of destiny and free-will are free from both. Will they again get
entangled in them?
20. He who sees God without seeing the Self sees only a mental image. They
say that he who sees the Self sees God. He who, having completely lost the
ego, sees the Self, has found God, because the Self does not exist apart
from God.
21. What is the Truth of the scriptures which declare that if one sees the
Self one sees God? How can one see one's Self? If, since one is a single
being, one cannot see one's Self, how can one see God? Only by becoming a
prey to Him.
22. The Divine gives light to the mind and shines within it. Except by
turning the mind inward and fixing it in the Divine, there is no other way
to know Him through the mind.
23. The body does not say 'I'. No one will argue that even in deep sleep the
'I' ceases to exist. Once the 'I' emerges, all else emerges. With a keen
mind enquire whence this 'I' emerges.
24. This inert body does not say 'I'. Reality-Consciousness does not emerge.
Between the two, and limited to the measure of the body, something emerges
as 'I'. It is this that is known as Chit-jada-granthi (the knot between the
Conscious and the inert), and also as bondage, soul, subtle-body, ego,
samsara, mind, and so forth.
25. It comes into being equipped with a form, and as long as it retains a
form it endures. Having a form, it feeds and grows big. But if you
investigate it this evil spirit, which has no form of its own, relinquishes
its grip on form and takes to flight.
26. If the ego is, everything else also is. If the ego is not, nothing else
is. Indeed, the ego is all. Therefore the enquiry as to what this ego is, is
the only way of giving up everything.
27. The State of non-emergence of 'I' is the state of being THAT. Without
questing for that State of the non-emergence of 'I' and attaining It, how
can one accomplish one's own extinction, from which the 'I' does not revive?
Without that attainment how is it possible to abide in one's true State,
where one is THAT?
28. Just as a man would dive in order to get something that had fallen into
the water, so one should dive into oneself, with a keen one-pointed mind,
controlling speech and breath, and find the place whence the 'I' originates.
29. The only enquiry leading to Self-realization is seeking the Source of
the 'I' with in-turned mind and without uttering the word 'I'. Meditation on
'I am not this; I am That' may be an aid to the enquiry but it cannot be the
enquiry.
30. If one enquires 'Who am I?' within the mind, the individual 'I' falls
down abashed as soon as one reaches the Heart and immediately Reality
manifests itself spontaneously as 'I-I'. Although it reveals itself as 'I',
it is not the ego but the Perfect Being, the Absolute Self.
31. For Him who is immersed in the bliss of the Self, arising from the
extinction of the ego, what remains to be accomplished? He is not aware of
anything (as) other than the Self. Who can apprehend his State?
32. Although the scriptures proclaim 'Thou art That', it is only a sign of
weakness of mind to meditate 'I am That, not this', because you are
eternally That. What has to be done is to investigate what one really is and
remain That.
33. It is ridiculous to say either 'I have not realized the Self' or 'I have
realized the Self'; are there two selves, for one to be the object of the
other's realization? It is a truth within the experience of everyone that
there is only one Self.
34. It is due to illusion born of ignorance that men fail to recognise That
which is always and for everybody the inherent Reality dwelling in its
natural Heart-centre and to abide in it, and that instead they argue that it
exists or does not exist, that it has form or has not form, or is non-dual
or dual.
35. To seek and abide in the Reality that is always attained, is the only
Attainment. All other attainments (siddhis) are such as are acquired in
dreams. Can they appear real to someone who has woken up from sleep? Can
they that are established in the Reality and are free from maya, be deluded
by them?
36. Only if the thought 'I am the body' occurs will the meditation 'I am not
this, I am That', help one to abide as That. Why should we for ever be
thinking, 'I am That'? Is it necessary for man to go on thinking 'I am a
man'? Are we not always That?
37. The contention, 'Dualism during practice, non-dualism on Attainment', is
also false. While one is anxiously searching, as well as when one has found
one's Self, who else is one but the tenth man?1
38. As long as a man is the doer, he also reaps the fruit of his deeds, but,
as soon as he realizes the Self through enquiry as to who is the doer his
sense of being the doer falls away and the triple karma2 is ended. This is
the state of eternal Liberation.
39. Only so long as one considers oneself bound, do thoughts of bondage and
Liberation continue. When one enquires who is bound the Self is realized,
eternally attained, and eternally free. When thought of bondage comes to an
end, can thought of Liberation survive?
40. If it is said, that Liberation is of three kinds, with form or without
form or with and without form, then let me tell you that the extinction of
three forms of Liberation is the only true Liberation.
____________________
1 - This refers to a traditional story of a party of ten fools who were
travelling together. They had to cross a river and on reaching the other
shore wanted to check up whether all of them had got safely across. Each one
counted in turn, but each one counted the nine others and forgot himself. So
they thought the tenth man had been drowned and began to mourn him. Just
then a traveller came past and asked them what was the matter. He at once
saw the cause of their mistake and in order to convince them he made them
walk past him one by one, giving each one a blow as he passed and telling
them to count the strokes.
2 - Sanchita, Agami and Prarabdha.
.

User: "John Manning"

Title: Re: 40 verses 01 Apr 2004 03:42:22 PM
Good stuff! Thank you.
JRM
Sri Bhagavan wrote:

The Forty Verses On Reality
By Ramana Maharshi:

Invocatory:

i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of existence? Free
from all thoughts, Reality abides in the Heart, the Source of all thoughts.
It is, therefore, called the Heart. How then is one to contemplate it? To be
as it is in the Heart, is Its contemplation.

ii. Those who know intense fear of death seek refuge only at the feet of the
Lord Who has neither death nor birth. Dead to themselves and their
possessions, can the thought of death occur to them again? Deathless are
they.


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1. From our perception of the world there follows acceptance of a unique
First Principle possessing various powers. Pictures of name and form, the
person who sees, the screen on which he sees, and the light by which he
sees: he himself is all of these.

2. All religions postulate the three fundamentals, the world, the soul, and
God, but it is only the one Reality that manifests Itself as these three.
One can say, 'The three are really three' only so long as the ego lasts.
Therefore, to inhere in one's own Being, where the 'I', or ego, is dead, is
the perfect State.

3. 'The world is real.' 'No, it is a mere illusory appearance.' 'The world
is conscious.' 'No.' 'The world is happiness.' 'No.' What use is it to argue
thus? That State is agreeable to all, wherein, having given up the objective
outlook, one knows one's Self and loses all notions either of unity or
duality, of oneself and the ego.

4. If one has form oneself, the world and God also will appear to have form,
but if one is formless, who is it that sees those forms, and how? Without
the eye can any object be seen? The seeing Self is the Eye, and that Eye is
the Eye of Infinity.

5. The body is a form composed of the five-fold sheath; therefore, all the
five sheaths are implied in the term, body. Apart from the body does the
world exist? Has anyone seen the world without the body?

6. The world is nothing more than an embodiment of the objects perceived by
the five sense-organs. Since, through these five sense-organs, a single mind
perceives the world, the world is nothing but the mind. Apart from the mind
can there be a world?

7. Although the world and knowledge thereof rise and set together it is by
knowledge alone that the world is made apparent. That Perfection wherein the
world and knowledge thereof rise and set, and which shines without rising
and setting, is alone the Reality.

8. Under whatever name and form one may worship the Absolute Reality, it is
only a means for realizing It without name and form. That alone is true
realization, wherein one knows oneself in relation to that Reality, attains
peace and realizes one's identity with it.

9. The duality of subject and object and trinity of seer, sight, and seen
can exist only if supported by the One. If one turns inward in search of
that One Reality they fall away. Those who see this are those who see
Wisdom. They are never in doubt.

10. Ordinary knowledge is always accompanied by ignorance, and ignorance by
knowledge; the only true Knowledge is that by which one knows the Self
through enquiring whose is the knowledge and ignorance.

11. Is it not, rather, ignorance to know all else without knowing oneself,
the knower? As soon as one knows the Self, which is the substratum of
knowledge and ignorance, knowledge and ignorance perish.

12. That alone is true Knowledge which is neither knowledge nor ignorance.
What is known is not true Knowledge. Since the Self shines with nothing else
to know or to make known, It alone is Knowledge. It is not a void.

13. The Self, which is Knowledge, is the only Reality. Knowledge of
multiplicity is false knowledge. This false knowledge, which is really
ignorance, cannot exist apart from the Self, which is Knowledge-Reality. The
variety of gold ornaments is unreal, since none of them can exist without
the gold of which they are all made.

14. If the first person, I, exists, then the second and third persons, you
and he, will also exist. By enquiring into the nature of the I, the I
perishes. With it 'you' and 'he' also perish. The resultant state, which
shines as Absolute Being, is one's own natural state, the Self.

15. Only with reference to the present can the past and the future exist.
They too, while current, are the present. To try to determine the nature of
the past and the future while ignoring the present is like trying to count
without the unit.

16. Apart, from us where is time and where is space? If we are bodies, we
are involved in time and space, but are we? We are one and identical now,
then, and forever, here, and everywhere. Therefore we, timeless, and
spaceless Being, alone are.

17. To those who have not realized the Self, as well as to those who have,
the word 'I' refers to the body, but with this difference, that for those
who have not realized, the 'I' is confined to the body whereas for those who
have realized the Self within the body the 'I' shines as the limitless Self.

18. To those who have not realized (the Self) as well as to those who have
the world is real. But to those who have not realized, Truth is adapted to
the measure of the world, whereas to those that have, Truth shines as the
Formless Perfection, and as the Substratum of the world. This is all the
difference between them.

19. Only those who have no knowledge of the Source of destiny and free-will
dispute as to which of them prevails. They that know the Self as the one
Source of destiny and free-will are free from both. Will they again get
entangled in them?

20. He who sees God without seeing the Self sees only a mental image. They
say that he who sees the Self sees God. He who, having completely lost the
ego, sees the Self, has found God, because the Self does not exist apart
from God.

21. What is the Truth of the scriptures which declare that if one sees the
Self one sees God? How can one see one's Self? If, since one is a single
being, one cannot see one's Self, how can one see God? Only by becoming a
prey to Him.

22. The Divine gives light to the mind and shines within it. Except by
turning the mind inward and fixing it in the Divine, there is no other way
to know Him through the mind.

23. The body does not say 'I'. No one will argue that even in deep sleep the
'I' ceases to exist. Once the 'I' emerges, all else emerges. With a keen
mind enquire whence this 'I' emerges.

24. This inert body does not say 'I'. Reality-Consciousness does not emerge.
Between the two, and limited to the measure of the body, something emerges
as 'I'. It is this that is known as Chit-jada-granthi (the knot between the
Conscious and the inert), and also as bondage, soul, subtle-body, ego,
samsara, mind, and so forth.

25. It comes into being equipped with a form, and as long as it retains a
form it endures. Having a form, it feeds and grows big. But if you
investigate it this evil spirit, which has no form of its own, relinquishes
its grip on form and takes to flight.

26. If the ego is, everything else also is. If the ego is not, nothing else
is. Indeed, the ego is all. Therefore the enquiry as to what this ego is, is
the only way of giving up everything.

27. The State of non-emergence of 'I' is the state of being THAT. Without
questing for that State of the non-emergence of 'I' and attaining It, how
can one accomplish one's own extinction, from which the 'I' does not revive?
Without that attainment how is it possible to abide in one's true State,
where one is THAT?

28. Just as a man would dive in order to get something that had fallen into
the water, so one should dive into oneself, with a keen one-pointed mind,
controlling speech and breath, and find the place whence the 'I' originates.

29. The only enquiry leading to Self-realization is seeking the Source of
the 'I' with in-turned mind and without uttering the word 'I'. Meditation on
'I am not this; I am That' may be an aid to the enquiry but it cannot be the
enquiry.

30. If one enquires 'Who am I?' within the mind, the individual 'I' falls
down abashed as soon as one reaches the Heart and immediately Reality
manifests itself spontaneously as 'I-I'. Although it reveals itself as 'I',
it is not the ego but the Perfect Being, the Absolute Self.

31. For Him who is immersed in the bliss of the Self, arising from the
extinction of the ego, what remains to be accomplished? He is not aware of
anything (as) other than the Self. Who can apprehend his State?

32. Although the scriptures proclaim 'Thou art That', it is only a sign of
weakness of mind to meditate 'I am That, not this', because you are
eternally That. What has to be done is to investigate what one really is and
remain That.

33. It is ridiculous to say either 'I have not realized the Self' or 'I have
realized the Self'; are there two selves, for one to be the object of the
other's realization? It is a truth within the experience of everyone that
there is only one Self.

34. It is due to illusion born of ignorance that men fail to recognise That
which is always and for everybody the inherent Reality dwelling in its
natural Heart-centre and to abide in it, and that instead they argue that it
exists or does not exist, that it has form or has not form, or is non-dual
or dual.

35. To seek and abide in the Reality that is always attained, is the only
Attainment. All other attainments (siddhis) are such as are acquired in
dreams. Can they appear real to someone who has woken up from sleep? Can
they that are established in the Reality and are free from maya, be deluded
by them?

36. Only if the thought 'I am the body' occurs will the meditation 'I am not
this, I am That', help one to abide as That. Why should we for ever be
thinking, 'I am That'? Is it necessary for man to go on thinking 'I am a
man'? Are we not always That?

37. The contention, 'Dualism during practice, non-dualism on Attainment', is
also false. While one is anxiously searching, as well as when one has found
one's Self, who else is one but the tenth man?1

38. As long as a man is the doer, he also reaps the fruit of his deeds, but,
as soon as he realizes the Self through enquiry as to who is the doer his
sense of being the doer falls away and the triple karma2 is ended. This is
the state of eternal Liberation.

39. Only so long as one considers oneself bound, do thoughts of bondage and
Liberation continue. When one enquires who is bound the Self is realized,
eternally attained, and eternally free. When thought of bondage comes to an
end, can thought of Liberation survive?

40. If it is said, that Liberation is of three kinds, with form or without
form or with and without form, then let me tell you that the extinction of
three forms of Liberation is the only true Liberation.
____________________

1 - This refers to a traditional story of a party of ten fools who were
travelling together. They had to cross a river and on reaching the other
shore wanted to check up whether all of them had got safely across. Each one
counted in turn, but each one counted the nine others and forgot himself. So
they thought the tenth man had been drowned and began to mourn him. Just
then a traveller came past and asked them what was the matter. He at once
saw the cause of their mistake and in order to convince them he made them
walk past him one by one, giving each one a blow as he passed and telling
them to count the strokes.
2 - Sanchita, Agami and Prarabdha.








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User: "Steve Knight"

Title: Re: 40 verses 01 Apr 2004 06:24:46 PM
On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:14:55 -0500, "Sri Bhagavan"
<sribhagavan@email.com> wrote:
snip

i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of existence?

Stop! Just stop!
This is for your own good.
SLAP!
Now get a job and shut up.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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User: "Akaliko"

Title: Re: 40 verses 06 Apr 2004 11:43:08 PM
you're a DICTATOR!
"Steve Knight" <whooly@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:hpcp605cmnmor43ua643dmarfcsia7cmv9@4ax.com...

On Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:14:55 -0500, "Sri Bhagavan"
<sribhagavan@email.com> wrote:

snip

i. If Reality did not exist, could there be any knowledge of existence?


Stop! Just stop!

This is for your own good.

SLAP!

Now get a job and shut up.

Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly

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