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A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
http://www.lewrockwell.com/armentano-p/armentano-p12.htm
A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot?
by Paul Armentano
American taxpayers are now spending more than a billion dollars per year
to incarcerate its citizens for pot. That’s according to statistics
released last week by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice
Statistics.
According to the new BJS report, “Drug Use and Dependence, State and
Federal Prisoners, 2004,” 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent
of federal inmates incarcerated for drug violations are serving time for
marijuana offenses. Combining these percentages with separate U.S.
Department of Justice statistics on the total number of state and
federal drug prisoners (BJS October 2005 Bulletin: “Prisoners in 2004” –
NCJ 210677) suggests that there are now about 33,655 state inmates and
10,785 federal inmates behind bars for marijuana offenses. (The report
failed to include estimates on the percentage of inmates incarcerated in
county jails for pot-related offenses.)
Multiplying these totals by U.S. DOJ prison expenditure data (BJS June
2004 Bulletin: “State Prison Expenditures, 2001” – NCJ 202949) reveals
that taxpayers are spending more than $1 billion annually to imprison
pot offenders.
The new report is noteworthy because it undermines the common claim from
law enforcement officers and bureaucrats, specifically White House drug
czar John Walters, that few, if any, Americans are incarcerated for
marijuana-related offenses. In reality, nearly 1 out of 8 U.S. drug
prisoners are locked up for pot.
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans are arrested each
year for violating marijuana laws, costing taxpayers another $8 billion
dollars annually in criminal justice costs.
According to the most recent figures available from the FBI, police
arrested an estimated 786,545 people on marijuana charges in 2005 – more
than twice the number of Americans arrested just 12 years ago. Among
those arrested, about 88 percent – some 696,074 Americans – were charged
with possession only. The remaining 90,471 individuals were charged with
“sale/manufacture,” a category that includes all cultivation offenses,
even those where the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical
use.
These totals are the highest ever recorded by the FBI, and make up 42.6
percent of all drug arrests in the United States. Nevertheless,
self-reported pot use by adults, as well as the ready availability of
marijuana on the black market, remains virtually unchanged.
Marijuana isn’t a harmless substance, and those who argue for a change
in the drug’s legal status do not claim it to be. However, pot’s
relative risks to the user and society are arguably fewer than those of
alcohol and tobacco, and they do not warrant the expenses associated
with targeting, arresting and prosecuting hundreds of thousands of
Americans every year.
According to federal statistics, about 94 million Americans – that’s 40
percent of the U.S. population age 12 or older – self-identify as having
used cannabis at some point in their lives, and relatively few
acknowledge having suffered significant deleterious health effects due
to their use. America’s public policies should reflect this reality, not
deny it. It makes no sense to continue to treat nearly half of all
Americans as criminals.
This article originally appeared in the Washington Examiner.
October 19, 2006
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
20 Oct 2006 04:43:20 AM |
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:40:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <75hgj2t0ab5qpacbbhkto8eq696cinj7b2@4ax.com>
http://www.lewrockwell.com/armentano-p/armentano-p12.htm
A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot?
by Paul Armentano
American taxpayers are now spending more than a billion dollars per year
to incarcerate its citizens for pot. That’s according to statistics
released last week by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice
Statistics.
According to the new BJS report, “Drug Use and Dependence, State and
Federal Prisoners, 2004,” 12.7 percent of state inmates and 12.4 percent
of federal inmates incarcerated for drug violations are serving time for
marijuana offenses. Combining these percentages with separate U.S.
Department of Justice statistics on the total number of state and
federal drug prisoners (BJS October 2005 Bulletin: “Prisoners in 2004” –
NCJ 210677) suggests that there are now about 33,655 state inmates and
10,785 federal inmates behind bars for marijuana offenses. (The report
failed to include estimates on the percentage of inmates incarcerated in
county jails for pot-related offenses.)
Multiplying these totals by U.S. DOJ prison expenditure data (BJS June
2004 Bulletin: “State Prison Expenditures, 2001” – NCJ 202949) reveals
that taxpayers are spending more than $1 billion annually to imprison
pot offenders.
The new report is noteworthy because it undermines the common claim from
law enforcement officers and bureaucrats, specifically White House drug
czar John Walters, that few, if any, Americans are incarcerated for
marijuana-related offenses. In reality, nearly 1 out of 8 U.S. drug
prisoners are locked up for pot.
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans are arrested each
year for violating marijuana laws, costing taxpayers another $8 billion
dollars annually in criminal justice costs.
According to the most recent figures available from the FBI, police
arrested an estimated 786,545 people on marijuana charges in 2005 – more
than twice the number of Americans arrested just 12 years ago. Among
those arrested, about 88 percent – some 696,074 Americans – were charged
with possession only. The remaining 90,471 individuals were charged with
“sale/manufacture,” a category that includes all cultivation offenses,
even those where the marijuana was being grown for personal or medical
use.
These totals are the highest ever recorded by the FBI, and make up 42.6
percent of all drug arrests in the United States. Nevertheless,
self-reported pot use by adults, as well as the ready availability of
marijuana on the black market, remains virtually unchanged.
Marijuana isn’t a harmless substance, and those who argue for a change
in the drug’s legal status do not claim it to be. However, pot’s
relative risks to the user and society are arguably fewer than those of
alcohol and tobacco, and they do not warrant the expenses associated
with targeting, arresting and prosecuting hundreds of thousands of
Americans every year.
According to federal statistics, about 94 million Americans – that’s 40
percent of the U.S. population age 12 or older – self-identify as having
used cannabis at some point in their lives, and relatively few
acknowledge having suffered significant deleterious health effects due
to their use. America’s public policies should reflect this reality, not
deny it. It makes no sense to continue to treat nearly half of all
Americans as criminals.
This article originally appeared in the Washington Examiner.
October 19, 2006
It's not about harm minimization, or any health issue for that matter.
It is plainly about having the option to exact mandated control on
what is seen as a threatening and useless (to big business) section of
society.
Executive power over non-conforming individuals who do not
unthinkingly volunteer their effort or income to the corporate
pirates.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
19 Oct 2006 11:09:29 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 20:40:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/armentano-p/armentano-p12.htm
A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot?
by Paul Armentano
American taxpayers are now spending more than a billion dollars per year
to incarcerate its citizens for pot. That’s according to statistics
released last week by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Bureau of Justice
Statistics.
And here I thought the article was going to be about Snoop Dogg...
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
19 Oct 2006 10:57:14 PM |
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stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
19 Oct 2006 11:21:43 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
A 20-pack would be a month's supply for the heavier users. At today's
black market prices, an eighth of an ounce of good stuff at about $40
is way cheaper than the amount of liquor it would require for the same
amount of inebriation. I think the only reason these idiots don't
legalize pot is because it would cease their ability to raid the
evidence locker.
Uncle Vic
Six more days in Google Hell
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
19 Oct 2006 11:21:39 PM |
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JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
Better still, take everything corporate away from the issue, legalise
home growth, but ban the sale, so people can grow it, and give it to
their mates, but the trade is destroyed. No drug dealers, but then
again, no corporate drug pushers either.
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
20 Oct 2006 12:54:27 AM |
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In article <1161318099.582288.279780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
Better still, take everything corporate away from the issue, legalise
home growth, but ban the sale, so people can grow it, and give it to
their mates, but the trade is destroyed. No drug dealers, but then
again, no corporate drug pushers either.
Now that is an excellent suggestion The only thing that I would add is
that sick people who need it and can't grow their own, should be allowed
to purchase it either from a grower or a government run store for a
reasonable price.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
20 Oct 2006 11:27:59 PM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1161318099.582288.279780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
Better still, take everything corporate away from the issue, legalise
home growth, but ban the sale, so people can grow it, and give it to
their mates, but the trade is destroyed. No drug dealers, but then
again, no corporate drug pushers either.
Now that is an excellent suggestion The only thing that I would add is
that sick people who need it and can't grow their own, should be allowed
to purchase it either from a grower or a government run store for a
reasonable price.
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
21 Oct 2006 12:15:17 AM |
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In article <1161404879.086422.290130@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1161318099.582288.279780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
Better still, take everything corporate away from the issue, legalise
home growth, but ban the sale, so people can grow it, and give it to
their mates, but the trade is destroyed. No drug dealers, but then
again, no corporate drug pushers either.
Now that is an excellent suggestion The only thing that I would add is
that sick people who need it and can't grow their own, should be allowed
to purchase it either from a grower or a government run store for a
reasonable price.
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
21 Oct 2006 01:54:17 AM |
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johac wrote:
In article <1161404879.086422.290130@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1161318099.582288.279780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
Better still, take everything corporate away from the issue, legalise
home growth, but ban the sale, so people can grow it, and give it to
their mates, but the trade is destroyed. No drug dealers, but then
again, no corporate drug pushers either.
Now that is an excellent suggestion The only thing that I would add is
that sick people who need it and can't grow their own, should be allowed
to purchase it either from a grower or a government run store for a
reasonable price.
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
21 Oct 2006 04:02:20 AM |
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On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
johac wrote:
In article <1161404879.086422.290130@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1161318099.582288.279780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
Better still, take everything corporate away from the issue, legalise
home growth, but ban the sale, so people can grow it, and give it to
their mates, but the trade is destroyed. No drug dealers, but then
again, no corporate drug pushers either.
Now that is an excellent suggestion The only thing that I would add is
that sick people who need it and can't grow their own, should be allowed
to purchase it either from a grower or a government run store for a
reasonable price.
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
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| User: "Lucifer" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
21 Oct 2006 06:06:15 AM |
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Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
johac wrote:
In article <1161404879.086422.290130@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1161318099.582288.279780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
Better still, take everything corporate away from the issue, legalise
home growth, but ban the sale, so people can grow it, and give it to
their mates, but the trade is destroyed. No drug dealers, but then
again, no corporate drug pushers either.
Now that is an excellent suggestion The only thing that I would add is
that sick people who need it and can't grow their own, should be allowed
to purchase it either from a grower or a government run store for a
reasonable price.
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
22 Oct 2006 12:36:41 AM |
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In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
johac wrote:
In article <1161404879.086422.290130@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
johac wrote:
In article <1161318099.582288.279780@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
JTEM wrote:
stoney wrote:
Of course, several hundred thousand more Americans
are arrested each year for violating marijuana laws,
costing taxpayers another $8 billion dollars annually
in criminal justice costs.
You know what would be terrible? If we treated Maijuana
the same way we already do more dangerous drugs --
like hard liquor. Then we could license it (fees), tax it and
regulate everything from its THC content to its packaging
if we wanted.... creating jobs... inventing revenue....
And you know that it's not just for smoking, either. World
wide, Marijuana is used for everything from making rope
and clothing and is a major source for paper.
I'm not suggesting a free-for-all where everyone can grow
their own & set up shop on the street. I'm talking about
the creation of a new industry, with licensed producers,
regulated sales (same as the drinking age) and taxes
as high or higher than are already on cigarettes.
Believe me, there's no shortage of people who wouldn't
line up for hours, just for the chance to buy a cigarette
sized pack of Marijuana for $20.
That might even be TOO cheap!
Better still, take everything corporate away from the issue,
legalise
home growth, but ban the sale, so people can grow it, and give it
to
their mates, but the trade is destroyed. No drug dealers, but then
again, no corporate drug pushers either.
Now that is an excellent suggestion The only thing that I would add
is
that sick people who need it and can't grow their own, should be
allowed
to purchase it either from a grower or a government run store for a
reasonable price.
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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25 Oct 2006 04:39:20 PM |
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "johac" |
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26 Oct 2006 01:04:04 AM |
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In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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26 Oct 2006 05:17:24 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
27 Oct 2006 12:40:20 AM |
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In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
27 Oct 2006 10:25:18 PM |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
And they had all the nuns they could eat.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
28 Oct 2006 12:22:19 AM |
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In article <4cj5k255gf7lh996mpmbiahl5a2h9f96sf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here
in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the
rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal
health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to
the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
And they had all the nuns they could eat.
And all the altar boys that they could catch.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
.
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
29 Oct 2006 06:54:34 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:22:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <4cj5k255gf7lh996mpmbiahl5a2h9f96sf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here
in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the
rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal
health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to
the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
And they had all the nuns they could eat.
And all the altar boys that they could catch.
The catch of the day.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
28 Oct 2006 06:42:09 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:22:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-453D60.22221927102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <4cj5k255gf7lh996mpmbiahl5a2h9f96sf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here
in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the
rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal
health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to
the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
And they had all the nuns they could eat.
And all the altar boys that they could catch.
Evolution will take care of that.
Altar boys will be the Olympic sprint champions of the future!
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
29 Oct 2006 01:32:51 AM |
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In article <3fg6k2djnl32m8msd6ehchdl7ejokeo9bq@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:22:19 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-453D60.22221927102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <4cj5k255gf7lh996mpmbiahl5a2h9f96sf@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like
here
in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the
trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join
the
rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal
health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to
the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
And they had all the nuns they could eat.
And all the altar boys that they could catch.
Evolution will take care of that.
Altar boys will be the Olympic sprint champions of the future!
Vatican City will take the gold in all of the track events!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
28 Oct 2006 06:41:05 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:25:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4cj5k255gf7lh996mpmbiahl5a2h9f96sf@4ax.com>
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
And they had all the nuns they could eat.
Almost makes ya wanna turn Catlick, don't it Bruce?!
For the free Nuns, I mean.
An' the wine.
Unlimited *****-n-*****, all free!
Where the fark do I sign up?
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
29 Oct 2006 06:55:34 PM |
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On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 21:11:05 +0930, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote in alt.atheism
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 20:25:18 -0700, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <4cj5k255gf7lh996mpmbiahl5a2h9f96sf@4ax.com>
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
And they had all the nuns they could eat.
Almost makes ya wanna turn Catlick, don't it Bruce?!
For the free Nuns, I mean.
An' the wine.
Unlimited *****-n-*****, all free!
Where the fark do I sign up?
With Bushdasatan.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
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| User: "Michael Gray" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
27 Oct 2006 02:54:48 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-ADED30.22402026102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
I didn't expect a kind of White House Inquisition!
.
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| User: "johac" |
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
28 Oct 2006 12:23:40 AM |
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In article <kpe3k2d4klgic436q8f31c6ui08b7upvh8@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-ADED30.22402026102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
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Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here
in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the
rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal
health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to
the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
I didn't expect a kind of White House Inquisition!
<dramatic music>
Nobody expects the White House Inquisition!
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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28 Oct 2006 06:38:57 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:23:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-1975D3.22234027102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <kpe3k2d4klgic436q8f31c6ui08b7upvh8@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-ADED30.22402026102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here
in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the
rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal
health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to
the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
I didn't expect a kind of White House Inquisition!
<dramatic music>
Nobody expects the White House Inquisition!
Our Chief weapon is Incompetence!
Incompetence and fear!
Our *two* weapons are Incompetence and fear!
(And an almost fanatical devotion to the dollar.)
Our three main weapons are...
(I'll come in again)
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
29 Oct 2006 01:31:37 AM |
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In article <p5g6k29vorhnsnndl2inl80r47e9d6de1q@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:23:40 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-1975D3.22234027102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <kpe3k2d4klgic436q8f31c6ui08b7upvh8@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:40:20 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-ADED30.22402026102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <5vc2k2totp84v9ov9srnjto0bjen9c5jh3@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer"
<wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer:
<1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like
here
in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the
trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join
the
rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal
health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to
the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
/cue 'running start.'
Heh. Come to think of it, he would have made a great medieval Pope. They
were corrupt, immoral, violent, but hid behind their office. With all
his 'Gawd' talk he's fit right in. Pope Dubius the Clod.
I didn't expect a kind of White House Inquisition!
<dramatic music>
Nobody expects the White House Inquisition!
Our Chief weapon is Incompetence!
Incompetence and fear!
Our *two* weapons are Incompetence and fear!
(And an almost fanatical devotion to the dollar.)
Our three main weapons are...
(I'll come in again)
Our three main weapons are incompetence, fear, and an almost fanatical
devotion to the dollar.
(And dissembling propaganda)
Our four main weapons are...
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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26 Oct 2006 04:32:37 AM |
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On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F3FB12.23040425102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication (cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
"Next we come to Scotland where we find the strange and significant
story of King Evenus III. He was a contemporary of Augustus (Caesar)
which puts him in the 1st. Century BCE. According to the "Hystory &
Croniklis of Scotland, written by Boethius (1465-1536), also known as
Hector Boece, we read the following: "Ane othir law he (King Evenus)
maid, that wiffis of the Commonis sal be fre to the nobilis; and the
Lord of the ground sal have the madinheid of all virginis dwelling on
the same," (16). The so-called law was said to be in effect until 1089
when it was abolished by Malcolm III (1057-1093). This was due to his
devout wife Margaret, who in 1250 CE became a Catholic Saint (17)."
http://www.petalk.com/humanist/jpn.html
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| Title: Re: A Billion Dollars a Year for Pot? |
27 Oct 2006 12:46:28 AM |
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In article <h401k295nfp5bah1s9ongt5isaj7nivc9h@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F3FB12.23040425102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
"Next we come to Scotland where we find the strange and significant
story of King Evenus III. He was a contemporary of Augustus (Caesar)
which puts him in the 1st. Century BCE. According to the "Hystory &
Croniklis of Scotland, written by Boethius (1465-1536), also known as
Hector Boece, we read the following: "Ane othir law he (King Evenus)
maid, that wiffis of the Commonis sal be fre to the nobilis; and the
Lord of the ground sal have the madinheid of all virginis dwelling on
the same," (16). The so-called law was said to be in effect until 1089
when it was abolished by Malcolm III (1057-1093). This was due to his
devout wife Margaret, who in 1250 CE became a Catholic Saint (17)."
http://www.petalk.com/humanist/jpn.html
Heh! I wonder if this Evenus was one of Dubya's ancestors. I don't see
him practicing his 'right' though. He'd probably forget what to do.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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27 Oct 2006 02:53:50 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 22:46:28 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-9E1F32.22462826102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <h401k295nfp5bah1s9ongt5isaj7nivc9h@4ax.com>,
Michael Gray <fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:04:04 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <jhachmann-F3FB12.23040425102006@news.giganews.com>
In article <bbmvj2lmvqfsd6tt17tjg6b85l2cfputrc@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 22:36:41 -0700, johac <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
In article <1161428775.439065.205790@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com>,
"Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com> wrote:
Michael Gray wrote:
On 20 Oct 2006 23:54:17 -0700, "Lucifer" <wyrdology@hotmail.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <1161413657.185138.126050@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>
[]
Well yes, but if you were to have a health service like here in
the
UK,
the government should provide it like any other medication
(cannabis
painkillers have actually been tried here, T think the trials
are
ongoing, but don't quote me on that)
Actually, I can only dream that someday the US might join the rest
of
the civilized world and institute some sort of a universal health
care
system.
It would certainly be a positive step forward
Into the 20th century?
Yup :p
Except that the present administration would rather drag us back to the
12th.
First. Optimistically.
I think that King George the witless would rather like the Middle ages
with the Crusades, Inquisitions, witch trials, etc.
"Next we come to Scotland where we find the strange and significant
story of King Evenus III. He was a contemporary of Augustus (Caesar)
which puts him in the 1st. Century BCE. According to the "Hystory &
Croniklis of Scotland, written by Boethius (1465-1536), also known as
Hector Boece, we read the following: "Ane othir law he (King Evenus)
maid, that wiffis of the Commonis sal be fre to the nobilis; and the
Lord of the ground sal have the madinheid of all virginis dwelling on
the same," (16). The so-called law was said to be in effect until 1089
when it was abolished by Malcolm III (1057-1093). This was due to his
devout wife Margaret, who in 1250 CE became a Catholic Saint (17)."
http://www.petalk.com/humanist/jpn.html
Heh! I wonder if this Evenus was one of Dubya's ancestors. I don't see
him practicing his 'right' though. He'd probably forget what to do.
Have them explored for WMDs?
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