"Pastor Dave" <1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 13:03:54 -0600, "Douglas W. Thomas"
<douglas.w.thomas@NOSPAMcomcast.net> spake thusly:

You can't disprove evolution. Neither can I.

Well, Doug, thanks for telling us what YOU believe.

THIS is classic Dave twisting of words! He didn't SAY he believed in
evolution, twisting twit. He SAID, basically, that nobody could DISPROVE
evolution. Nobody can disprove God either. STOP TWISTING PEOPLE'S WORDS!!!

Still waiting on you finding the guts - or at least the same
150-years-long weight of scientific evidence supporting your claims as
evolutionists can produce supporting theirs.

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:46:43 -0600, "Douglas W. Thomas"
<douglas.w.thomas@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote:

"navi-gater" <gater@the-gate.net> wrote in message
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"Douglas W. Thomas" <douglas.w.thomas@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in
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<snip>

This one will be fun......

Doug

I doubt that. I try and take eveyone at face value until they give me
cause
to do otherwise.

Talking to the "Pastor" is much like talking to your own echo and
expecting
a conversation to develop....

gater.

Actually, I expect PD to coward out and not respond to budikka at all.

Which is probably what will happen. I suspect perhaps you weren't very
familiar with "Pastor" Dave at the time we had our first exchange in
alt.atheism, and probably didn't really believe me when I told you he
was nothing but an ignorant troll, and a nasty one at that. I think
now you know better. <G>

Doug

I doubt that. I try and take eveyone at face value until they give me
cause to do otherwise.

Talking to the "Pastor" is much like talking to your own echo and
expecting a conversation to develop....

Yes, that is why you kept playing dodge ball and
avoiding answering directly and made unscientific
statements.

But hey, thanks for the insult. I'm sure it has
nothing to do with the fact that I called you on
your statements in my last message to you.

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 04:30:06 GMT, "navi-gater"
<gater@the-gate.net> spake thusly:

"Douglas W. Thomas" <douglas.w.thomas@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in
news:AemdnZyUZuXh47renZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@comcast.com:

<snip>

This one will be fun......

Doug

I doubt that. I try and take eveyone at face value until they give me
cause to do otherwise.

Talking to the "Pastor" is much like talking to your own echo and
expecting a conversation to develop....

Yes, that is why you kept playing dodge ball and
avoiding answering directly and made unscientific
statements.

But hey, thanks for the insult. I'm sure it has
nothing to do with the fact that I called you on
your statements in my last message to you.

Yes, that is why you kept playing dodge ball and
avoiding answering directly and made unscientific
statements.

But hey, thanks for the insult. I'm sure it has
nothing to do with the fact that I called you on
your statements in my last message to you.

hwe@bellsouth.net says...

Douglas W. Thomas" <douglas.w.thomas@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message

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Why the double standard? Science is not in the business of providing proof,
so why does anyone expect Religion to provide proof? Just curious.

Douglas W. Thomas" <douglas.w.thomas@NOSPAMcomcast.net> wrote in message

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Why the double standard? Science is not in the business of providing
proof, so why does anyone expect Religion to provide proof? Just curious.

"Budikka666" <budikka1@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Since Disaster Dave put out a call for proof of god - which has been
met - I thought I'd challenge him in return to provide proof of this
god of his, using exactly the same terms he demanded. Here it is:

Hi all,

Each time I RESPOND to a claim by someone that god is a fact and is
true, period, they never seem to provide said proof. Rather...

1) They throw out insults.

2) They claim that I just don't understand religion. I am well
educated in various branches of religion. They however, are not and it
upsets them, that
the standard mantra and rhetoric doesn't work.

3) They repeat the claim that there is a "mountain of evidence" for god
and yet, still fail to provide said proof.

4) They paste in web links and claim, "There is your proof!". Yet, the
link provides no such thing and when I ask them to, in their own words,
discuss in detail how it is proof, the silence is deafening.

5) They begin to insult science and claim that religion has disproved
our scientific method. This is done, after their repeated claim that
religion
has no interest in science, nor in the factual.

6) They try to turn the tables, claiming that when I respond to their
positive claim that god is a fact and is true, that it is up to me to
disprove their claim. In other words, they get to say whatever they
want we have to disprove it.

7) They seem to think that the lack of proof is proof.

It's a shame that the people don't know, that this sort of nonsensical
behavior would not be tolerated in science. You claim god is science
and seem to think that providing zero proof, along with insults, is
proof.

God is not science and associating with science in a text book, or by
speech, does not make it science, any more than beer is athletic,
simply because it is sold at football games.

The fact is people, in no branch of science, is a request for evidence
met with insults and silence regarding said proof. Only in god, do we
see this and that should tell us all we need to know.

If it were a genuine god, the proof would have been displayed for all
to see and the opposition would have been silenced, once and for all.

And while they try to blame science for ignorance of "real religion",
the fact is, that the inventor of the religious method was anonymous!
No one knows who it was or what their motives or agenda were, yet
everyone swallows this as gospel!

The fact is, that ignorance was found in religious societies, who
always tend to be far behind in scientific advancement. It is the
scientific nations
that brought knowledge of our universe to where it is today, not
religion and
the great learning institutions, such as Yale, Harvard, etc., were
established to pursue this knowledge, nto wallow in mythology. It is
now, that they have become so assaulted by fundamentlaists, that
education in the USA has gone down in quality. Coincidence?
Absolutely not.

And btw, don't ask me to prove any of this. By YOUR OWN LOGIC, the
burden of proof is on YOU.

So now I make a call to the theists.

"Show me the money!"

Where is the proof of god?

And don't ask me about whether or not theists are lying, or to disprove
it, or paste in web links, etc., etc..

PROVE GOD, OR HAVE THE INTEGRITY TO ADMIT THAT YOU CAN'T!!!

And be ready to discuss, IN YOUR OWN WORDS, HOW AND WHY what you
provide proves what you claim it does. Saying, "scriptures prove it",
is not proof, unless you can show which exact texts and why and how
they prove what you claim and be able to respond to a rebuttal.

If you can't do that, then IT IS YOU who "DOESN'T understand science".

Even paul knew that the scientific evidence wasn't there, to support a
resurrection and so, he revived mythology and repackaged it in
a non-Jewish version, called, "Christianity".

You have one camp of theists who know that Judaism did not change and
another camp that knows that sudden religious changes do occur. They
both disprove each other and yet, it never occurs to them, that maybe
they're both wrong. Maybe neither happened.

So stop with the "what stops it from happening" garbage and show the
proof of god.

And don't bother me with the "religion doesn't work that way" garbage
either. I know that, but you don't, or you wouldn't be making the
claims you do. Thus, your approach is anti-science, from go.

You claim it's true, without a doubt. This is something that is not to
be doubted and only a fool would and so, it requires ABSOLUTE PROOF
THAT LEAVES ABSOLUTELY ZERO ROOM FOR DOUBT!!!

So cough up the proof for god and shut us all up. If you can, then I
will throw my "Ancestor's Tale" away and renounce my science.

And don't tell me it has nothing to do with me renouncing my science,
when we all know that you spend your time trashing Christianity and
claiming that "the dead hand of science" has hampered religion.

So where is it? We're all waiting. And as I said, make sure that you
can back it up, with references that you can defend, in detail, in your
own words.

I will not entertain any sidetracking, nor any questions. This is
about answers. YOUR answers, as evolutionists, PROVING BEYOND ANY
DOUBT that god is reality.

I am ready. Are you?

Budikka

This one will be fun......

Doug

*HIS* "ELECT" *WROTE*:

*I* "WOULD" *LIKE* "TO" *TRY*...

*WHEN* "YOU" *ARE* "IN" *BED* "WITH" *YOUR* "WIFE" *AND* "YOUR"
*HAVING* "SEX" *WHAT* "DO" *YOU* "HEAR" *WHEN* "YOUR" *WIFE* "IS"
*GETTING* "READY" *TO* "CLIMAX"???

*IN* "MY" *STUDIES* "OF" *THIS* "PHENOMENA" *IT* "HAS" *ALWAYS* "BEEN"
*RECOGNIZED* "AS"... *OH* "GOD" *OR* "OH" *MY* "GOD"!!!

*IS* "YOUR" *NAME* "GOD" *OR* "IS" *YOUR* "WIFE" *MESSING* "AROUND"
*WITH* "SOME" *OTHER* "GUY" *NAMED* "GOD" *OR* "DOES" *YOUR* "WIFE"
*AND* "MOST" *OTHER* "WOMEN" *HAVE* "A" *SECRET* "DESIRE" *TO* "HAVE"
*GOD* "ROCK" *THEIR* "WORLD"???

*DO* "YOU" *THINK* "THAT" *THE* "BIG" *BANG* "YOUR" *WIFE* "JUST" *GOT*
"WAS" *FROM* "SCIENCE" *OR* "DID" *YOU* "HAVE" *SOMETHING* "TO" *DO*
"WITH" *HER* "SCREAMING" *OUT* "OH" *GOD*???

*DO* "YOU" *THINK* "SCIENCE" *CAN* "PROVE" *THIS* "PHENOMENA" *AS*
"BEING" *SOMETHING* "THEY" *CREATED* "OR" *DID* "IT" *ALSO* "JUST"
*COME* "ABOUT" *BY* "THE" *BIG* "BANG" *THEORY* "THAT" *HAS* "BEEN"
*DEVISED* "BY" *THE* "SCIENTIFIC" *COMMUNITY*???

*BTW*... "IF" *THE* "BIG" *BANG* "THEORY" *IS* "CORRECT" *AS* "THE"
*SCIENTIST* "CLAIM" *IT* "TO" *BE*... "HOW" *DID* "ALL" *THESE* "SEEDS"
*OF* "LIFE" *COME* "INTO" *EXISTENCE* "FROM" *A* "BIG" *BANG*??? "I"
*MEAN* "EACH" *SEED* "OF" *LIFE* "THAT" *IS* "IN" *EXISTENCE* "HAS"
*IT'S* "OWN" *UNIQUE* "UNTO" *ITSELF* "IDENTITY" *THAT* "MAKES" *AN*
"APPLE" *AN* "APPLE" *AND* "AN" *ORANGE* "AN" *ORANGE*!!!

*DO* "THE" *SCIENTIST* "NOT" *UNDERSTAND* "THAT" *GOD* "WAS" *THE*
"ORIGINAL" *SCIENTIST* "AS" *HE* "WOULD" *HAVE* "DEVELOPED" *ALL*
"THESE" *SEEDS* "IN" *HIS* "SCIENCE" *LAB* "IN" *HEAVEN* "AND" *THEN*
"PARTED" *THEM* "OUT" *TO* "THE" *EARTH*???

*LASTLY*, "WHY" *DOES* "THE" *EARTH* "HAVE" *EVERYTHING* "LIFE" *NEEDS*
"TO" *EXIST* "YET" *THE* "MOON" *OUR* "CLOSEST" *ASTROLOGICAL*
"NEIGHBOR" *DOESN'T* "EVEN" *HAVE* "A" *BLADE* "OF" *GRASS* "ON" *IT*
"YET" *IT* "SHOULD" *HAVE* "GOTTEN" *SOME* "OF" *THOSE* "SEEDS"
*SPREAD* "OUT" *FROM* "THE" *BIG* "BANG" *THAT* "STARTED" *THE*
"PROCESS" *OF* "EVOLUTION"!!!

*WOULD* "YOU" *AGREE* "THAT" *THE* "EARTH" *WAS* "SELFISH" *AND*
"HORDED" *ALL* "THE" *SEEDS* "OF" *LIFE* "UNTO" *ITSELF* "AND"
*WOULDN'T* "SHARE" *WITH* "THE" *MOON* "OR" *ANY* "OTHER" *PLANET*???

*WHAT* "ABOUT" *THE* "WATER" *ON* "EARTH"??? *HOW* "DID" *WATER*
"BECOME" *SO* "ABUNDANT" *ON* "THE" *EARTH* "YET" *THE* "MOON"
*DOESN'T* "HAVE" *ANY* "WATER" *THAT* "WOULD" *SUSTAIN* "ANY" *LIFE*
"FOR" *ANY* "REASONABLE" *LENGTH* "OF" *TIME* "AND" *THEREFORE* "THAT"
*LIFE* "WOULD" *SIMPLY* "DIE" *OFF*???

*WHAT* "ABOUT" *THE* "FACT" *THAT* "WE" *HUMANS* "HAVE" *THE* "ABILITY"
*TO* "REPRODUCE" *LIFE* "IN" *THE* "UNDERSTANDING" *THAT* "MAN" *AND*
"WOMAN" *WOULD* "HAVE" *TO* "UNITE" *INTO* "ONE" *FLESH* "IN" *ORDER*
"FOR" *NEW* "LIFE" *TO* "BE" *CREATED* "THRU" *THE* "FERTILIZATION"
*OF* "THE" *FEMALE* "EGG" *WITH* "THE" *MALE* "SPERM"???

*WHAT* "A" *FLUKE* "OF" *SCIENCE* "THAT" *IS*, "EY"???

"HAVE" *A* "NICE" *DAY*...

"HIS" *ELECT*