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09 Mar 2007 09:13:18 AM |
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A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%20extremists.gif
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without reservation or
criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue against military
action and that we should never believe any intelligence, however
plausible, that can be used to argue for it. That's not very
intelligent." - Michael Barone
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
10 Mar 2007 08:18:04 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:pan.2007.03.10.13.16.22.499149@com.mkbilbo:
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 07:35:07 -0800, wrote:
On 9 mrt, 16:13, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%
20extremists.g
if
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
The speaker doesn't say you should therefore sent US-soldiers to Iraq
so the muslims over there have something to kill :(
("if we don't want them to come over here to kill us.
we should go over there so they can kill us there")
I hope you understand what I am trying to say.
Not to mention, has anybody else noticed how similar the thinking is
to the Islamic extremists? They want to fight us over here so they
don't have to fight us over there...
Sure, Mark that must mean that it's a bad idea. Let's fight them over
here... Oh wait...
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without reservation
or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue against military
action and that we should never believe any intelligence, however
plausible, that can be used to argue for it. That's not very
intelligent." - Michael Barone
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| User: "JTEM" |
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11 Mar 2007 05:38:51 AM |
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Fred Stone wrote:
Sure, Mark that must mean that it's a bad idea. Let's fight them over
here... Oh wait...
I've got to wonder, "Fred," what if you're wrong and there isn't a
finite number of terrorist in the world? What if it isn't a case where
if we killed everyone you consider a terrorist today that would mean
there wouldn't be any terrorists tomorrow, or any other future date?
'Cus if you're wrong, then "Fighting them" isn't necessarily the least
bit productive. In fact, "Fighting Them" the wrong way could actually
be counter productive in that you'd be creating more terrorists than
you're killing.
So map it out for us. How is this so-called "Strategy" that you
support
killing terrorists without creating new ones?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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11 Mar 2007 10:43:59 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1173609531.249293.18900@
30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone wrote:
Sure, Mark that must mean that it's a bad idea. Let's fight them over
here... Oh wait...
I've got to wonder, "Fred," what if you're wrong and there isn't a
finite number of terrorist in the world? What if it isn't a case where
if we killed everyone you consider a terrorist today that would mean
there wouldn't be any terrorists tomorrow, or any other future date?
What if I can make up hypothetical "what if's" better than you can?
'Cus if you're wrong, then "Fighting them" isn't necessarily the least
bit productive. In fact, "Fighting Them" the wrong way could actually
be counter productive in that you'd be creating more terrorists than
you're killing.
Cus if I'm right then you're just making up "what ifs".
So map it out for us. How is this so-called "Strategy" that you
support killing terrorists without creating new ones?
If we kill them faster than they can recruit and train new ones, then
we're ahead of the game. If we can kill their trainers and their
leadership then we're even *farther* ahead of the game, because it takes
*longer* to train leaders.
And since we're killing them a *lot* faster than they're killing us,
we're *way* ahead of that game.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"...the Nevada Democratic Party caved in to the lunatic fringe and began
seeking a more "appropriate" television partner.
Comedy Central, perhaps?"
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| User: "JTEM" |
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12 Mar 2007 11:42:44 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
If we kill them faster than they can recruit and train
new ones, then we're ahead of the game.
"If."
What evidence to have have to offer in support of the notion
that we are killing them faster than they can recruit?
If we can kill their trainers and their leadership then
we're even *farther* ahead of the game, because it takes
*longer* to train leaders.
Blowing yourself up requires a lot of training, huh?
Actually, psyhco breath, the problem isn't so much weapons
training as it is moral leadership. And that's a problem
you couldn't even begin to comprehend.
And since we're killing them a *lot* faster than they're
killing us, we're *way* ahead of that game.
This does not logically follow from your statements above.
"Killing them faster than they're killing us" is NOT any
kind of measure of success.
As you pointed out, we'd have to be killing them faster
than they're recruiting new ones, AND we'd have to be
killing their leaders. These two goals could both be
achieved even if they were killing more of us than we were
of them.
Another point you suggest but do not state: In your model,
success is never achieved. We never "Win." There's always
another generation, always more terrorist to kill.
You're "Plan" is for perpetual war.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
13 Mar 2007 08:08:48 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1173760964.040044.211100
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
If we kill them faster than they can recruit and train
new ones, then we're ahead of the game.
"If."
When.
What evidence to have have to offer in support of the notion
that we are killing them faster than they can recruit?
If we can kill their trainers and their leadership then
we're even *farther* ahead of the game, because it takes
*longer* to train leaders.
Blowing yourself up requires a lot of training, huh?
Putting a suicide belt togther does.
Actually, psyhco breath, the problem isn't so much weapons
training as it is moral leadership. And that's a problem
you couldn't even begin to comprehend.
Annnnnd out come the ad-hominems.
And since we're killing them a *lot* faster than they're
killing us, we're *way* ahead of that game.
This does not logically follow from your statements above.
"Killing them faster than they're killing us" is NOT any
kind of measure of success.
Maybe not to you.
As you pointed out, we'd have to be killing them faster
than they're recruiting new ones, AND we'd have to be
killing their leaders. These two goals could both be
achieved even if they were killing more of us than we were
of them.
Another point you suggest but do not state: In your model,
success is never achieved. We never "Win."
That would be your model, where we never exert enough force to actually
kill our enemies. Where we "pull back to bases and let them fight it
out" when we get tired of hearing you liberal whiners on TV bitching
about it.
There's always
another generation, always more terrorist to kill.
No, JTEM, there isn't.
You're "Plan" is for perpetual war.
That would be your plan, where we always stop short of complete victory.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Memo to Democrats: When Dennis Kucinich has to scold you for lacking
courage, you need a serious search-and-rescue for your party's stones."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
13 Mar 2007 03:24:09 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
This does not logically follow from your statements above.
"Killing them faster than they're killing us" is NOT any
kind of measure of success.
Maybe not to you.
Nor to you. I explained:
As you pointed out, we'd have to be killing them faster
than they're recruiting new ones, AND we'd have to be
killing their leaders. These two goals could both be
achieved even if they were killing more of us than we were
of them.
Another point you suggest but do not state: In your model,
success is never achieved. We never "Win."
That would be your model,
No, honey. Though coming from a Bush supporter -- a people who
are willing to sacrifice *Anything* for their country, so long
as it's coming from someone else and not them -- I can understand
why you'd have to deny your position.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
13 Mar 2007 04:18:20 PM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1173817449.600739.63280
@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
This does not logically follow from your statements above.
"Killing them faster than they're killing us" is NOT any
kind of measure of success.
Maybe not to you.
Nor to you. I explained:
As you pointed out, we'd have to be killing them faster
than they're recruiting new ones, AND we'd have to be
killing their leaders. These two goals could both be
achieved even if they were killing more of us than we were
of them.
Another point you suggest but do not state: In your model,
success is never achieved. We never "Win."
That would be your model,
No, honey. Though coming from a Bush supporter -- a people who
are willing to sacrifice *Anything* for their country, so long
as it's coming from someone else and not them -- I can understand
why you'd have to deny your position.
I know you are but what am I?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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| User: "JTEM" |
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13 Mar 2007 10:38:28 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
I know you are but what am I?
You're a supporter of a draft-dodger-turned-deserter
who thought it was not only unfair to pay for the
war with a means-tested tax, but it was UNFAIR to
not cut the means-tested taxes on the rich.
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14 Mar 2007 08:18:52 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1173843508.600489.188370
@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
I know you are but what am I?
You're a supporter of a draft-dodger-turned-deserter
REFUTED.
who thought it was not only unfair to pay for the
war with a means-tested tax, but it was UNFAIR to
not cut the means-tested taxes on the rich.
Oddly enough, "The rich" have paid more taxes since that "cut" than they
paid before the "cut". That's how it works, JTEM. Too bad you don't
understand elementary supply-side economics.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq, where
there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to protect
them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular imagination."
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| User: "Kate " |
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13 Mar 2007 12:28:01 AM |
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On 12 Mar 2007 21:42:44 -0700, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
If we kill them faster than they can recruit and train
new ones, then we're ahead of the game.
"If."
What evidence to have have to offer in support of the notion
that we are killing them faster than they can recruit?
If we can kill their trainers and their leadership then
we're even *farther* ahead of the game, because it takes
*longer* to train leaders.
Blowing yourself up requires a lot of training, huh?
Actually, psyhco breath, the problem isn't so much weapons
training as it is moral leadership. And that's a problem
you couldn't even begin to comprehend.
And since we're killing them a *lot* faster than they're
killing us, we're *way* ahead of that game.
This does not logically follow from your statements above.
"Killing them faster than they're killing us" is NOT any
kind of measure of success.
As you pointed out, we'd have to be killing them faster
than they're recruiting new ones, AND we'd have to be
killing their leaders. These two goals could both be
achieved even if they were killing more of us than we were
of them.
Another point you suggest but do not state: In your model,
success is never achieved. We never "Win." There's always
another generation, always more terrorist to kill.
You're "Plan" is for perpetual war.
Except Fred won't actually pay for the war. Not with his own money,
or his limbs.
He's the perpetual spendthrift, always charging up our credit card to
wave his ***** in the air.
But you still ain't a man, until it's your ***** that's actually in
danger of being blown off, Freddy ***** boy. Didn't your daddy teach
you how to be a real man?
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Mar 2007 08:10:43 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:45ff3489.112843343@news-
west.newscene.com:
On 12 Mar 2007 21:42:44 -0700, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
As you pointed out, we'd have to be killing them faster
than they're recruiting new ones, AND we'd have to be
killing their leaders. These two goals could both be
achieved even if they were killing more of us than we were
of them.
Another point you suggest but do not state: In your model,
success is never achieved. We never "Win." There's always
another generation, always more terrorist to kill.
You're "Plan" is for perpetual war.
Except Fred won't actually pay for the war. Not with his own money,
or his limbs.
He's the perpetual spendthrift, always charging up our credit card to
wave his ***** in the air.
But you still ain't a man, until it's your ***** that's actually in
danger of being blown off, Freddy ***** boy. Didn't your daddy teach
you how to be a real man?
Kate's read good at whining about what I should do, but she's not over
there either, the whining hypocrite. She can tell me what to do but she
won't do it herself. That's hypocrisy whether she will admit it or not.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Memo to Democrats: When Dennis Kucinich has to scold you for lacking
courage, you need a serious search-and-rescue for your party's stones."
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13 Mar 2007 03:13:59 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate's read good at whining about what I should do,
but she's not over there either, the whining
hypocrite.
So people who never thought we should be over there in the
first place are (now get this) "Hypocrites" for not being
over there themselves, While cowards like you who cheered
on the war -- even as you've refused to sacrifice as much
as a tax increase to pay for it -- are not?
You NEED psychological help.
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13 Mar 2007 04:17:27 PM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1173816839.576777.191630
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate's read good at whining about what I should do,
but she's not over there either, the whining
hypocrite.
So people who never thought we should be over there in the
first place are (now get this) "Hypocrites" for not being
over there themselves
That's right, JTEM, because you're DEMANDING that anybody who criticizes
you should go, while you feel free to criticize anybody who supports the
war.
, While cowards like you who cheered
on the war -- even as you've refused to sacrifice as much
as a tax increase to pay for it -- are not?
So when are you signing up, JTEM, you shallow hypocrite?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq, where
there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to protect
them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular imagination."
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13 Mar 2007 10:34:55 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
That's right, JTEM, because you're DEMANDING that
anybody who criticizes you should go, while you
feel free to criticize anybody who supports the
war.
You're not over there... you support (even worship)
politicians who sent the boys over but think a tax
increase to pay for it is "Too much of a sacrafice"...
even worse than refusing to pay for it, they demanded
and gave themselves a hefty tax DECREASE...
That's the neo-con idea of a "Sacrafice," huh? Trying
to figure out what color Maybach you're going to buy
with the money from that tax cut you've given yourself.
, While cowards like you who cheered
on the war -- even as you've refused to sacrifice as much
as a tax increase to pay for it -- are not?
So when are you signing up, JTEM, you shallow hypocrite?
So I'm a hypocrite for not fighting in a war that I never
supported?
How do you feel about gays in the military, hypocrite?
You want to pretend you favor it? That would add another
choice bit of hypocrisy on your part. You vocally opposed
gay rights -- gay marriage, gay civil unions and domestic
partnerships -- but you "Support" them sacrifice, including
their lives, in a war that your kind won't even pay for.
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14 Mar 2007 08:17:12 AM |
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"JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in news:1173843295.611434.157860
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
So when are you signing up, JTEM, you shallow hypocrite?
So I'm a hypocrite for not fighting in a war that I never
supported?
You're a hypocrite for insisting that nobody can criticize you unless
they're "over there", while you're "over here" criticizing *them*.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq, where
there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to protect
them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular imagination."
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14 Mar 2007 10:17:08 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
You're a hypocrite for insisting that nobody can
criticize you unless they're "over there", while
you're "over here" criticizing *them*.
You're a traitor who cheers on Bush as he tries
desperately to duplicate the collapse of the Soviet
Union.
Wars are pretty damn expensive when you have to pay
for them. But than the single most corrupt government
in the history of the planet couldn't have stolen
quite so much, now could they?
It should have been you, "Fred." It should have been you.
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| User: "Kate " |
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13 Mar 2007 10:04:02 PM |
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On 13 Mar 2007 13:13:59 -0700, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate's read good at whining about what I should do,
but she's not over there either, the whining
hypocrite.
So people who never thought we should be over there in the
first place are (now get this) "Hypocrites" for not being
over there themselves, While cowards like you who cheered
on the war -- even as you've refused to sacrifice as much
as a tax increase to pay for it -- are not?
Damn, is Fredo still whining that people who don't think the war was
justified aren't fighting it for him?
And he wonders why he has a reputation of not being able to think.
You NEED psychological help.
He's a disfunctional mess all right.
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14 Mar 2007 08:13:12 AM |
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(Kate ) wrote in news:4604655a.190883390@news-
west.newscene.com:
On 13 Mar 2007 13:13:59 -0700, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate's read good at whining about what I should do,
but she's not over there either, the whining
hypocrite.
So people who never thought we should be over there in the
first place are (now get this) "Hypocrites" for not being
over there themselves, While cowards like you who cheered
on the war -- even as you've refused to sacrifice as much
as a tax increase to pay for it -- are not?
Damn, is Fredo still whining that people who don't think the war was
justified aren't fighting it for him?
Damn, is Kate still whining that everybody who disagrees with her about
the war isn't "over there" while she's still "over here"?
And he wonders why he has a reputation of not being able to think.
And she wonders why people think she's a hypocritical tool.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."
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14 Mar 2007 10:24:50 PM |
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Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Damn, is Kate still whining that everybody who disagrees
with her about the war isn't "over there" while she's
still "over here"?
you know what's cowardly, "Fred"? Sitting on your fat *****
here while others fight the war you wanted.
Know what's even more cowardly? Claiming that paying for
the war is too much of a sacrafice. Worse, claiming that
not enjoying a tax CUT is too much of a sacrafice.
That's cowardly.
Know what isn't hypocritical? NOT supporting a war and NOT
rushing to fight a war you don't support.
Throwing sacrafice on OTHERS and ONLY others, now *That's*
hypocritical. And that's EXACTLY what your draft-dodger-
turned-deserter has done & is doing. That's EXACTLY what you
endorse.
And he wonders why he has a reputation of not being able to think.
And she wonders why people think she's a hypocritical tool.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The one thing we must not do is to confuse the real country of Iraq,
where there is a real war, a real population, and a real obligation to
protect them, with the parallel-universe "quagmire Iraq" of popular
imagination."- Hide quoted text -
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14 Mar 2007 09:10:22 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:13:59 -0700, JTEM wrote:
Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
Kate's read good at whining about what I should do,
but she's not over there either, the whining
hypocrite.
So people who never thought we should be over there in the
first place are (now get this) "Hypocrites" for not being
over there themselves, While cowards like you who cheered
on the war -- even as you've refused to sacrifice as much
as a tax increase to pay for it -- are not?
Makes sense huh?
You NEED psychological help.
And has for a while now...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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13 Mar 2007 07:35:03 AM |
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:42:44 -0700, JTEM wrote:
You're "Plan" is for perpetual war.
Exactly so.
I'm still (weirdly) amused at how this period is so much more horrible
than the Cold War. Thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at our heads and
we went about the messy business of being a contentious, free, democratic,
and open society that wasn't constantly on "war footing." But a handful of
third world nut jobs with box cutters has people like Fnord hiking their
skirts and running around shrieking like some sterotypical 50s house frau
who just saw a mouse.
I wonder whatever happened to courage...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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13 Mar 2007 08:11:36 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in
news:pan.2007.03.13.12.34.59.476978@com.mkbilbo:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 22:42:44 -0700, JTEM wrote:
You're "Plan" is for perpetual war.
Exactly so.
That's your plan, Mark. You're the one who won't *finish* the war.
I'm still (weirdly) amused at how this period is so much more horrible
than the Cold War. Thousands of nuclear weapons pointed at our heads
and we went about the messy business of being a contentious, free,
democratic, and open society that wasn't constantly on "war footing."
But a handful of third world nut jobs with box cutters has people like
Fnord hiking their skirts and running around shrieking like some
sterotypical 50s house frau who just saw a mouse.
I wonder whatever happened to courage...
Look who's talking, Mr Cut-and-run.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Memo to Democrats: When Dennis Kucinich has to scold you for lacking
courage, you need a serious search-and-rescue for your party's stones."
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
11 Mar 2007 09:07:02 AM |
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On 11 Mar 2007 03:38:51 -0700, "JTEM" <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
Fred Stone wrote:
Sure, Mark that must mean that it's a bad idea. Let's fight them over
here... Oh wait...
I've got to wonder, "Fred," what if you're wrong and there isn't a
finite number of terrorist in the world? What if it isn't a case where
if we killed everyone you consider a terrorist today that would mean
there wouldn't be any terrorists tomorrow, or any other future date?
'Cus if you're wrong, then "Fighting them" isn't necessarily the least
bit productive. In fact, "Fighting Them" the wrong way could actually
be counter productive in that you'd be creating more terrorists than
you're killing.
So map it out for us. How is this so-called "Strategy" that you
support
killing terrorists without creating new ones?
Well, first of all, you don't go bomb a bunch of innocents and their
babies.
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
09 Mar 2007 09:35:34 AM |
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On Mar 9, 10:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%20extremists.gif
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without reservation or
criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue against military
action and that we should never believe any intelligence, however
plausible, that can be used to argue for it. That's not very
intelligent." - Michael Barone
Yes, and our being in Iraq is NEVER going to stop them from wanting to
kill us. In fact, it is making even MORE people want to kill us.
Do you understand this? Our being in Iraq has been making the
situation WORSE ever since we first went there. The fact that they
want to kill us has less to do with the fact that we aren't Muslims
and more to do with the fact that we keep trying to run the entire
world.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
09 Mar 2007 12:17:11 PM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1173454533.903069.6690@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 9, 10:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%
20extremists.gi
f
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without
reservation or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue
against military action and that we should never believe any
intelligence, however plausible, that can be used to argue for it.
That's not very intelligent." - Michael Barone
Yes, and our being in Iraq is NEVER going to stop them from wanting to
kill us. In fact, it is making even MORE people want to kill us.
Do you understand this? Our being in Iraq has been making the
situation WORSE ever since we first went there. The fact that they
want to kill us has less to do with the fact that we aren't Muslims
and more to do with the fact that we keep trying to run the entire
world.
Uh, no, it has to do with the fact that we keep stopping them from
running the whole world. Or at least that's how they see it.
Do you understand that?
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without reservation
or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue against military
action and that we should never believe any intelligence, however
plausible, that can be used to argue for it. That's not very
intelligent." - Michael Barone
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| User: "GoDrex" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
09 Mar 2007 12:49:08 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns98EE87C3B8EFBfreddybear@194.177.96.26...
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1173454533.903069.6690@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 9, 10:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%
20extremists.gi
f
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without
reservation or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue
against military action and that we should never believe any
intelligence, however plausible, that can be used to argue for it.
That's not very intelligent." - Michael Barone
Yes, and our being in Iraq is NEVER going to stop them from wanting to
kill us. In fact, it is making even MORE people want to kill us.
Do you understand this? Our being in Iraq has been making the
situation WORSE ever since we first went there. The fact that they
want to kill us has less to do with the fact that we aren't Muslims
and more to do with the fact that we keep trying to run the entire
world.
Uh, no, it has to do with the fact that we keep stopping them from
running the whole world. Or at least that's how they see it.
Do you understand that?
they hate our freedom
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
09 Mar 2007 01:01:23 PM |
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On Mar 9, 1:17 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1173454533.903069.6690@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 9, 10:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%
20extremists.gi
f
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without
reservation or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue
against military action and that we should never believe any
intelligence, however plausible, that can be used to argue for it.
That's not very intelligent." - Michael Barone
Yes, and our being in Iraq is NEVER going to stop them from wanting to
kill us. In fact, it is making even MORE people want to kill us.
Do you understand this? Our being in Iraq has been making the
situation WORSE ever since we first went there. The fact that they
want to kill us has less to do with the fact that we aren't Muslims
and more to do with the fact that we keep trying to run the entire
world.
Uh, no, it has to do with the fact that we keep stopping them from
running the whole world. Or at least that's how they see it.
Do you understand that?
Do you deny that the USA has been trying to force its will on the
entire world for several decades?
If you don't, do you believe that the rest of the world should just
sit down, shut up, and do whatever the US government tells them to?
Their animosity toward the US is a DIRECT result of our interfering in
the middle east and causing the deaths of millions of people since at
least the 70s.
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
09 Mar 2007 03:24:30 PM |
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"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_dp73@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1173466883.181997.146720@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 9, 1:17 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote
innews:1173454533.903069.6690@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 9, 10:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%
20extremists.gi
f
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without
reservation or criticism any intelligence that can be used to
argue against military action and that we should never believe any
intelligence, however plausible, that can be used to argue for it.
That's not very intelligent." - Michael Barone
Yes, and our being in Iraq is NEVER going to stop them from wanting
to kill us. In fact, it is making even MORE people want to kill us.
Do you understand this? Our being in Iraq has been making the
situation WORSE ever since we first went there. The fact that they
want to kill us has less to do with the fact that we aren't Muslims
and more to do with the fact that we keep trying to run the entire
world.
Uh, no, it has to do with the fact that we keep stopping them from
running the whole world. Or at least that's how they see it.
Do you understand that?
Do you deny that the USA has been trying to force its will on the
entire world for several decades?
Yes. Unless you define "preventing world war III aka fighting the Cold
War" as "forcing our will".
If you don't, do you believe that the rest of the world should just
sit down, shut up, and do whatever the US government tells them to?
No. Neither do I believe that the US should sit down, shut up, and do
whatever the rest of the world tells us to do.
Their animosity toward the US is a DIRECT result of our interfering in
the middle east and causing the deaths of millions of people since at
least the 70s.
Dovie dear, their animosity against the US goes clear back to Thomas
Jefferson who refused to pay the jizya to the Barbary Pirates. There are
Islamists who want revenge for THAT.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without reservation
or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue against military
action and that we should never believe any intelligence, however
plausible, that can be used to argue for it. That's not very
intelligent." - Michael Barone
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| User: "Conspiracy of Doves" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
14 Mar 2007 10:56:27 PM |
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On Mar 9, 5:24 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1173466883.181997.146720@8g2000cwh.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 9, 1:17 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote
innews:1173454533.903069.6690@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 9, 10:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%
20extremists.gi
f
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without
reservation or criticism any intelligence that can be used to
argue against military action and that we should never believe any
intelligence, however plausible, that can be used to argue for it.
That's not very intelligent." - Michael Barone
Yes, and our being in Iraq is NEVER going to stop them from wanting
to kill us. In fact, it is making even MORE people want to kill us.
Do you understand this? Our being in Iraq has been making the
situation WORSE ever since we first went there. The fact that they
want to kill us has less to do with the fact that we aren't Muslims
and more to do with the fact that we keep trying to run the entire
world.
Uh, no, it has to do with the fact that we keep stopping them from
running the whole world. Or at least that's how they see it.
Do you understand that?
Do you deny that the USA has been trying to force its will on the
entire world for several decades?
Yes. Unless you define "preventing world war III aka fighting the Cold
War" as "forcing our will".
If you don't, do you believe that the rest of the world should just
sit down, shut up, and do whatever the US government tells them to?
No. Neither do I believe that the US should sit down, shut up, and do
whatever the rest of the world tells us to do.
So you believe that us forcing our will on them, and them forcing
their will on us are the only two possibilities?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon for the Hard of Hearing |
10 Mar 2007 07:25:17 AM |
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 11:01:23 -0800, Conspiracy of Doves wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:17 pm, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
"Conspiracy of Doves" <mark_d...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:1173454533.903069.6690@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
On Mar 9, 10:13 am, Fred Stone <fston...@earthling.com> wrote:
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/953/472/1600/muslim%
20extremists.gi
f
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"The Bush critics' position is that we must believe without
reservation or criticism any intelligence that can be used to argue
against military action and that we should never believe any
intelligence, however plausible, that can be used to argue for it.
That's not very intelligent." - Michael Barone
Yes, and our being in Iraq is NEVER going to stop them from wanting to
kill us. In fact, it is making even MORE people want to kill us.
Do you understand this? Our being in Iraq has been making the
situation WORSE ever since we first went there. The fact that they
want to kill us has less to do with the fact that we aren't Muslims
and more to do with the fact that we keep trying to run the entire
world.
Uh, no, it has to do with the fact that we keep stopping them from
running the whole world. Or at least that's how they see it.
Do you understand that?
Do you deny that the USA has been trying to force its will on the
entire world for several decades?
If you don't, do you believe that the rest of the world should just
sit down, shut up, and do whatever the US government tells them to?
Their animosity toward the US is a DIRECT result of our interfering in
the middle east and causing the deaths of millions of people since at
least the 70s.
It's interesting to contemplate that if we hadn't overthrown the
democraticly elected government of Iran back in the 50s (at the bidding of
our oil companies) there well could have been a democracy in the Middle
East for a half a century now.
Particularly interesting in light of the alleged position of the Bush
administration that we should encourage democracy in the region to
consider that we stomped on one of the early democracies in the area.
Which action led to blowback that we've been dealing with since.
We created a breeding ground for extremism, had the hostage crisis, backed
Hussein while he gassed his own people as a "counter" to the Iran we
helped create, and now are facing the prospect of a radical regime gaining
nuclear weapons.
Certainly mucking about in the Middle East has been so beneficial before,
let's do it again...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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