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MUSLIM EXTREMISTS ARE TRYING TO KILL US!

so lets make more of them so we'll always be sure to have
enough of them around...

Hey, It's False Assumption Time! Let's all shout that old
slogan about how killing terrorists just makes more terrorists.
That way we don't have to think!

well we do have to make sure that there's a constant enemy -
can't count on the Russians anymore.

just like the never ending War on Drugs - the War On Terror is
all about money- and there's no way to ever win.

There is where you're wrong. Terrorism is not self-perpetuating,
and "blaming America" is not the way to defeat it. Terrorists can
be defeated if they are confronted by concerted political and
military force and a steady will to succeed.

Just like the 'drug war' right?

Do you think there's the same demand for terrorism in the US that
there is for drugs? Hmm, maybe there is. You libruls sure support it
enough.

No, you have intentionally missed the point. The demand from the
right is for unended, unwinnable wars.

No, Lunchie, I hit the point dead on. The demand is from the Left for
free access to drugs and terrorism.

Nicely missed again. We have decades of evidence that fighting a 'war'
against these things will never get rid of them, yet conservatives
seem to prefer destroying our constitution to considering another
approach to the problem.

The 'wars' on terror and drugs are
such unending, unwinnable wars. As long as the right can make more
money fighting the wars than actually doing something about the
problems, they will. They don't actually care if terrorism or drugs
are stamped out.

Funny, it's the Left who wants the "freedom" to do drugs and plot
terrorism.

You are free to repeat that lie as often as you like, but it will
still be a lie.

Remember, the 'war on terrorism' is being fought by an
administration that has a habit of failing, while making its
buddies richer.

The failure here is the failure of your Democrats to support the
war, not of the administration to fight it.

I don't support stupidity and incompetence. I have no idea why you
do.

I don't. I support the war in Iraq.

And George W Bush has made certain that you will be able to support
continuing that war for years to come. I support peace in Iraq.

The invasion of Iraq, while unnecessary, was successful. It was the
totally incompetent occupation that you are now defending, but there
is nothing to defend. Bush was a failure. Cheney was a failure.
Rumsfeld was a failure. It is completely the fault of Republicans
that they screwed up the occupation. Democrats weren't even listened
to by these fools.

And now the Democrats want to throw up their hands and just walk away,
and they *still* shouldn't be listened to.

Thanks for misrepresenting them. I just don't know what I would do if
you weren't such a reliable liar.

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Totalitarianism is the same whether from the right or left.

Authoritarianism is the same whether from the right or left.

Religious zealotry is the same whether from Islamists or Christian
Identity.

People react badly when the United States starts telling them what
to do. They react even more badly when we supposedly support
democracy, but let thugs like the Saud family fund religious
zealotry. No one believes that the US government is anything but
hypocritical. If we had any integrity, we wouldn't have let the Saud
family get away with murder. We wouldn't have freed the country that
contributed the most murderers to 9/11 from their most dangerous
neighbor. Saddam was not a good man, but until the missed message in
Kuwait, Saddam had been our thug. You know that. Why do we support
criminals like the Saud family and Pakistan's abysmal government?
Why should we expect any Moslems or Arabs to take us seriously when
we do?

Are we required to right all the wrongs in the world all at once in
order to be "unhypocritical" in dealing with any of them?

Our government has been causing more problems but denying that it
fouled up. That is what makes our government hypocritical.

Are the cops required to arrest all the criminals in the city at the
same time so that they're not "hypocrites" when they arrest one?

When police arrest petty criminals because organized crime demands it,
that is hypocrisy.

Are doctors required to cure all the diseases in the entire world in
order not to be "hypocrites" when they treat one patient?

Bush is no doctor. He is killing people.