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"Blue Sky" |
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04 Feb 2006 08:14:17 PM |
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A Cartoon on non-Moslem religions! |
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over
some European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For
instance, one cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a
bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
Reference on the protests in the Moslem world and on more European
newspapers publishing the cartoons.
"Denmark PM rejects apology demand." Jan 30, 2006. Good summary of
events.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8808AC96-0809-4BE8-98E2-ED963AE8FDE4.htm
"Muhammed cartoon row goes global." Feb 2, 2006.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6204FC53-1286-4234-B0CD-71F7DC8B20F1.htm
"Attack threat as cartoon row escalates." Feb 2, 2006.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B656C415-F0B8-488A-8C2B-14014EF1B3A8.htm
"Angry crowds attack Danish, Norwegian embassies in Syria." Feb 4,
2006.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060204/wl_mideast_afp/europeislammediasyria;_ylt=AqVzmf
U0g.H93e_EnUFS1BZ34T0D;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--
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| User: "Michael Rhino" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon on non-Moslem religions! |
04 Feb 2006 10:44:53 PM |
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"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
From time to time, someone will use elephant dung to paint a picture of
Jesus. People complain, but we don't get large scale violent protests.
Usually, the museum director will defend free speech and then a week later
remove the painting.
I think that blaspheme is good, because the real goal should be truth. You
should hear both sides before making up your mind. With religion, one side
will be blasphemous, but so be it.
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04 Feb 2006 11:52:38 PM |
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In article <9pfFf.6376$Jg.166@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
news2005@alexanderpics.com says...
"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
From time to time, someone will use elephant dung to paint a picture of
Jesus.
People complain, but we don't get large scale violent protests.
Usually, the museum director will defend free speech and then a week later
remove the painting.
Yes, well Imam Rudy Guliani still gets to grandstand and fulminate about
how he wants the museum closed and the NEA to be abolished. He only
doesn't turn to violence because he knows that won't be necessary. He
knows that in an overwhelmingly xian biased country that he will get his
way without the messiness of force.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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05 Feb 2006 08:37:55 AM |
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In <MPG.1e4f4090f8bea267989742@news.readfreenews.net>, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <9pfFf.6376$Jg.166@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
news2005@alexanderpics.com says...
"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
From time to time, someone will use elephant dung to paint a picture of
Jesus.
People complain, but we don't get large scale violent protests. Usually,
the museum director will defend free speech and then a week later remove
the painting.
Yes, well Imam Rudy Guliani still gets to grandstand and fulminate about
how he wants the museum closed and the NEA to be abolished. He only
doesn't turn to violence because he knows that won't be necessary. He
knows that in an overwhelmingly xian biased country that he will get his
way without the messiness of force.
You mean he wants to use the force of the state which makes the action
look civilized and enlightened...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
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http://www.nola.com
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Feb 2006 06:07:44 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:37:55 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <MPG.1e4f4090f8bea267989742@news.readfreenews.net>, quibbler
<quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <9pfFf.6376$Jg.166@tornado.socal.rr.com>,
news2005@alexanderpics.com says...
"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
From time to time, someone will use elephant dung to paint a picture of
Jesus.
People complain, but we don't get large scale violent protests. Usually,
the museum director will defend free speech and then a week later remove
the painting.
Yes, well Imam Rudy Guliani still gets to grandstand and fulminate about
how he wants the museum closed and the NEA to be abolished. He only
doesn't turn to violence because he knows that won't be necessary. He
knows that in an overwhelmingly xian biased country that he will get his
way without the messiness of force.
You mean he wants to use the force of the state which makes the action
look civilized and enlightened...
Just like in 'garden spots' like Syria.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Feb 2006 06:07:07 PM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 04:44:53 GMT, "Michael Rhino"
<news2005@alexanderpics.com> wrote in alt.atheism
"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
From time to time, someone will use elephant dung to paint a picture of
Jesus.
I do believe that person was a Christian. I know the artist who did
"***** Christ' was. IIRC, his sect was RCC.
People complain, but we don't get large scale violent protests.
Usually, the museum director will defend free speech and then a week later
remove the painting.
I think that blaspheme is good, because the real goal should be truth. You
should hear both sides before making up your mind. With religion, one side
will be blasphemous, but so be it.
Religion is blasphemy to life and reality.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Robert not Roberto" |
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05 Feb 2006 11:07:32 AM |
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"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over
some European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For
instance, one cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a
bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
Gee, I'm so angry, I'll have to go kill some Mulims.
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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04 Feb 2006 09:32:05 PM |
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"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over
some European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For
instance, one cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a
bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
Jehovah is a Christian misinterpretation of Yahweh - the
Jewish volcano and war god. Love the fangs.
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
Reference on the protests in the Moslem world and on more European
newspapers publishing the cartoons.
"Denmark PM rejects apology demand." Jan 30, 2006. Good summary of
events.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8808AC96-0809-4BE8-98E2-ED963AE8FDE4.htm
"Muhammed cartoon row goes global." Feb 2, 2006.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6204FC53-1286-4234-B0CD-71F7DC8B20F1.htm
"Attack threat as cartoon row escalates." Feb 2, 2006.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B656C415-F0B8-488A-8C2B-14014EF1B3A8.htm
"Angry crowds attack Danish, Norwegian embassies in Syria." Feb 4,
2006.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060204/wl_mideast_afp/europeislammediasyria;_ylt=AqVzmf
U0g.H93e_EnUFS1BZ34T0D;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--
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| User: "Ren" |
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05 Feb 2006 11:17:28 AM |
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Blue Sky wrote...
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over
some European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For
instance, one cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a
bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
Stupid cartoon, and I doubt most Europeans wouldn't care. Westerners can
handle offensive things; we just laugh off insults hurled at us by the
moozlums (e.g. we are a great satan, our women are whores, etc.), while
similar insults hurled at moozlums result in death threats and bombings.
So I can guarantee that the cartoon above can appear in the Baghdad Times
and Kabul Post-Gazette and newspapers all over the izlamist world and we
won't care, we won't demand apologies, threaten to bomb embassies, or any
of that. It's sort of like having a bratty child who demands you buy him
a toy and when you don't he starts screaming nasty things like boogerhead
or buttface or whatever and you just laugh it off.
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| User: "" |
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05 Feb 2006 01:42:24 AM |
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Blue Sky wrote:
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
I can assure you they would not be rasist and beat, intimidate and/or
treaten to people because they happen to be from Denmark. They would
not call bomb treats to their embassies, nor burn them.
What those pictures depicted, muslim just happen to go out of their way
to prove it true. That many are violent, intolerant hateful people who
have no respect for anyone especially them selves.
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
You will not recrute me to fight for your cause...you can call all you
want.
Regards,
Suzana
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| User: "Jim Higgins" |
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04 Feb 2006 08:35:48 PM |
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Hardly a reason to go out torching, beating, threatening death & destruction
& murder and all those other things that the members of "...a religion of
peace--George Bush" seem to love to do. Definately signs of an enemy
religion.
"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over
some European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For
instance, one cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a
bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
Reference on the protests in the Moslem world and on more European
newspapers publishing the cartoons.
"Denmark PM rejects apology demand." Jan 30, 2006. Good summary of
events.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8808AC96-0809-4BE8-98E2-ED963AE8FDE4.htm
"Muhammed cartoon row goes global." Feb 2, 2006.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6204FC53-1286-4234-B0CD-71F7DC8B20F1.htm
"Attack threat as cartoon row escalates." Feb 2, 2006.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B656C415-F0B8-488A-8C2B-14014EF1B3A8.htm
"Angry crowds attack Danish, Norwegian embassies in Syria." Feb 4,
2006.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060204/wl_mideast_afp/europeislammediasyria;_ylt=AqVzmf
U0g.H93e_EnUFS1BZ34T0D;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHVqMTQ4BHNlYwN5bnN1YmNhdA--
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| User: "" |
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05 Feb 2006 01:51:03 AM |
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Well the rest of the world can also claim that they find extremly
ofensive the way Islam represents women in the media and their books.
You can say it is an insult to all women, to all mothers and the female
spirit/essence all over the world.
But, well each culture is different so people don't make to much fuzz
about it.
So now if muslims choose to live in countries where they now Islam is
not the predominant culture and where freedom of speech is honored then
they would be crazy to expect that such culture will suddenly change
just to adjust to what a muslim minority believes. Its like a European
minority in an Arab country protesting and threatening for their anger
against the lack of womens rights. How do you think the Arab goberments
would react?
If these Muslims don't agree with freedom of expression then maybe they
should return to the Arab countries from where they came from, just the
same way European women might return home after being offended by the
way they are treated in comparison to men in an Arab country.
You know in countries with freedom of speech caricatures of Jesus or
Buddha are seeing quite offten, it may ofend some conservatives but all
they need to do is not buy they newspaper where it is printed. Like in
the US on TV on comedy central they make jokes about Jesus or even
depict him as a caricature in the animated show called southpark. If
you are offended you simply switch the channel.
Another example, here is a website depicting Jesus in a funny way:
http://pressurecooker.phil.cmu.edu/Jesus/
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| User: "WAM" |
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05 Feb 2006 05:41:27 AM |
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Its interesting that the Christian west even those that see the inside
of Church more often then the vast majority, can look at their religion
and question it and even laugh at it. I remember watching Monty
Python's The Life of Brian sitting next to a Catholic Priest, who was
having good old chuckle as I recall.
The Muslim world seems incapable of introspective humour that goes
anywhere near the subject of religion, and is even less tolerant of
others attempting to do the same. If you can't take a lighthearted
look at yourself once in a while, the world starts to look like a very
humourless place after a while.
Perhaps this has something to with Muslim worlds apparent preoccupation
with wanting to enter paradise to escape the humourless here and now.
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| User: "stoney" |
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05 Feb 2006 05:48:19 PM |
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On 5 Feb 2006 03:41:27 -0800, "WAM" <naj@bigpond.com> wrote in
alt.atheism
Its interesting that the Christian west even those that see the inside
of Church more often then the vast majority, can look at their religion
and question it and even laugh at it.
*Now.*
I remember watching Monty
Python's The Life of Brian sitting next to a Catholic Priest, who was
having good old chuckle as I recall.
Certainly, although Christianity does have its 'Mad Dogs,' as well.
The Muslim world seems incapable of introspective humour that goes
anywhere near the subject of religion, and is even less tolerant of
others attempting to do the same.
Some, maybe a lot, of the Muslim world is incapable of such. Sadly, the
focus is on the 'Mad Dogs' rather than those who are secure in their
faith and understand there's no reason to treat their religion any
differently than any of the others.
If you can't take a lighthearted
look at yourself once in a while, the world starts to look like a very
humourless place after a while.
My understanding is much of the Muslim world is extremely humourless and
considers life something to be suffered through. If my understanding is
wrong please, let me know how and why.
Perhaps this has something to with Muslim worlds apparent preoccupation
with wanting to enter paradise to escape the humourless here and now.
Immams lie. So do Christian clergy.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "Topaz" |
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08 Feb 2006 06:41:19 PM |
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Guenter Deckert was arrested and served five years in prison in
Germany for translating a speech by Fred Leuchter into German.
Germar Rudolf
Accused, tried and convicted in Germany. Career and doctorate
dissertation ruined.
Driven into exile.
Background and contribution: This brilliant, German-trained chemist
re-examined Auschwitz, Birkenau and other installations and buildings,
testing
rocks, soil and other physical samples for traces of Zyklon B.
Following the pioneering work of Fred Leuchter, he put the final nail
into the coffin of the Auschwitz story. Even though he did scientific
work and was utterly apolitical, Rudolf's home and office were raided,
computers seized etc. He was charged and tried in Germany for not
believing in the standard Auschwitz story. As a scientist, he found
the "gassing" claims to be scientifically untenable and, therefore,
absurd. A modern day Galileo, Rudolf was found guilty and convicted
because he refused to renounce scientific facts and his own scientific
tests and findings. He was facing jail when he went into exile with
his young wife and two babies. He now edits and publishes devastating
refutations of the Allied Propaganda claims in a German-language
journal. The Holocaust Enforcers are dogging his steps, and he faces
endless hassles and trials, should the "German" vassal authorities
ever get a hold of him. Z|ndel expert witness in chemistry in the
Munich trial in 1991 - disallowed by the judge at the request of the
prosecution.
Ahmed Rami
Tried, convicted and imprisoned in Sweden.
Background and contribution: Rami is a former Moroccan military
officer living in exile in Sweden, where he used to run "Radio Islam",
a radio program that was closed down due to Holocaust Lobby pressure.
He was tried and convicted in Sweden for his Revisionist views and
served a nine month prison term. Now he runs a much-visited,
multilingual website famous the world over, which has come under
repeated attack by French and Swedish Jewish sources. He won several
court skirmishes, and for the moment seems to hold his own.
An outspoken German Nationalist was sentenced Thursday to two years in
prison without parole for "denying" the Holocaust. Manfred Roeder, 70,
was sentenced for having refered to the Holocaust as "humbug" during
an August 1998 election rally in the eastern German city of Stralsund.
With no First Amendment to protect them, Germans face legal action for
questioning the orthodox Holocaust story. The rally at which Roeder
spoke part of his parliamentary campaign as a candidate for the
National Party of Germany. His imprisonment clearly makes him a
"political prisoner" in Germany.
During his trial, Roeder said a tape of his speech had been
"manipulated and falsified." Roeder asserted that statements that
would have cleared him were edited out. The judge, however, agreed
with three witnesses who said the tape was genuine. The Roeder case
exemplifies the lack of freedom in today's Germany.
Adapted from: The Associated Press
Thursday, Dec. 2, 1999; 12:52 p.m. EST
Udo Walendy
Convicted and imprisoned in Germany for 15 months, even though already
in his seventies and in poor health with a serious heart condition.
Background and contribution: A prolific German researcher, writer and
publisher of numerous books and a series of popular booklets called
"Historische Tatsachen"- ("Historical Truths") including the German
version of "Did Six Million Really Die?" and the German language
version of the Leuchter Report #1 - Walendy was dragged before the
courts numerous times. His home and offices were frequently raided by
the police. Business files, books, printing plates and computers were
confiscated. Z|ndel advisor and witness in the 1985 and 1988 Great
Holocaust Trials.
Austrian engineer, Froelich, says gassings impossible as alleged
Posted by Hannover on June 14, 2000 at 20:57:56:
Deposition of Wolfgang Froelich during the recent trial of Swiss
revisionist Jurgen Graf (condemned to 15 months imprisonment and
18,000 SwF in monetary penalties for investigating the "Holocaust" in
Russian archives and publishing the results, as well as a booklet
titled "On the Decline of Swiss Freedom").
Froelich is an Austrian engineer and an expert witness whose field of
expertise are process engineering and gas applications. He
told the court he has carried out numerous gassings to exterminate
pests and infectious microbes. Here is how he answers the
questions by public prosecutor Aufdenblatten:
Aufdenblatten: "In your opinion were mass gassings with Zyklon B
possible?"
Froelich: "No".
Aufdenblatten: "Why not?"
Froelich: "The pesticide Zyklon B is hydrocyanic acid absorbed in a
granular-shaped carrier substance. It is released though
contact with the air. The evaporation point of hydrocyanic acid is
25.7 degrees (Celsius). The higher the temperature, the more
rapid is the rate of evaporation. The delousing chambers in which
Zyklon B was used in NS (German wartime) camps and
elsewhere were heated to 30 degrees and higher, so that the
hydrocyanic acid would be released rapidly from the carrier
granules. However, in the half-underground mortuaries of the
Auschwitz-Birkenau crematories, where witnesses claim that mass
killings with Zyklon B took place, the temperatures were much lower.
Even if one allows for the warming of the spaces by the
body warmth of the hypothetical prisoners, the temperature would not
have been more than 15 degrees, even in summer time.
Consequently, it would have taken many hours for the hydrocyanic acid
to evaporate.
"According to eyewitness reports, the victims died very quickly. The
witnesses mention time frames of 'instantaneous' to '15
minutes'. To be able to kill the gas chamber prisoners in such a short
time, the Germans would have had to use ridiculously large
amounts of Zyklon-I estimate from 40 to 50 kilograms for each gassing.
This would have made any work in the gas chamber
fundamentally impossible. The special detachment (Sonderkommando)
people, whom the witnesses say were assigned the task
of clearing out (dead bodies) from them (the gas chambers), would have
collapsed immediately upon entering the rooms, even if
they were wearing gas masks. Enormous amounts of hydrocyanic acid
would have streamed out into the open, and would have
poisoned the entire camp".
Froehlich's statement corroborates the investigations and declarations
of such specialists as gas chamber expert Fred Leuchter,
Austrian engineer Walter Lueftl, American research chemist William B.
Lindsay, German chemist Germar Rudolf, and German
engineer Wofgang Schuster.
Now comes another interesting bit. Immediately following Froelich's
statement, here is what public prosecutor Aufdenblatten
had to say to him:
Aufdenblatten: "I hereby ask the court to bring charges against you
for racial discrimination, on the basis of Article 261 (the
Anti-Racism Law) or otherwise I'll do it myself".
So this is how Zyklon B killed all the millions and why "Anti-Racism"
Laws are needed! Defence attorney Stehrenberger could
only inform the court that in view of this blatant intimidation of the
witness , he would withdraw from the case. He later
expressed again his objections to the amazing proceedings, and resumed
his duties as defence attorney. To no avail, of course:
Judge Andrea Staubli (to Graf): "Can't you imagine that Jews feel
offended by your books?"
Graf: "Yes, and many non-Jews as well. The brain-washing has been so
thorough that anyone who inadvertently stumbles upon
the truth would be completely upset".
Staubli: "And don't you care if Jews feel offended by your books?"
Graf: "Edgar Bronfman (the president of the Jewish World Congress)
said recently that Switzerland is like a man who has to
have his feet held in the fire before he sees reason. Can't you
imagine that a Swiss person would feel offended by that? Why is it
that only Jewish feelings are taken into account and never the
feelings of non-Jews?"
Graf got his 15 months and 18,000 SwF. His publisher Gerhard
Foerster-a 78 years old man suffering from several illnesses,
who needs a wheel chair to go around-got 12 months imprisonment and
53,000 SwF, assorted financial punishment.
From: David Duke's _My_Awakening_ [Free Speech Press: Covington,
LA, 1998,
pp. 418-419]
A prime example of the persecution of the Holocaust questioners is the
story of historian David Irving. His books are found in almost every
library in the world. Irving has written more than thirty volumes on
the Second World War published by a half dozen of the most prominent
publishers in the Western World, including: The Viking Press, Harper &
Row, Little, Brown, Simon & Schuster, and Avon Books.
The most respected historians in the world, including A.J.P. Taylor,
Trevor Roper, Gordon Craig, and Stephen Ambrose have praised his
works. He has researched in the German State Archives for more than
thirty years, as well as in the U.S. National Archives, the British
Public Records Office, the government archives of Australia, France,
Italy and Canada,-and even the former Soviet Secret State Archives.
He was the first historian to challenge the validity of the widely
heralded (and later debunked) _Hitler_Diaries_ [846] In the course of
his wideranging research, Irving has uncovered many documents that
challenge parts of the Holocaust orthodoxy.
While he was in Germany, Irving quoted the videotaped admission of the
head curator of the Auschwitz State Museum, Dr. Francizek Piper.
Piper had admitted that the facility shown to the world (and more than
40 million visitors) for 40 years - as a genuine Nazi-built gas
chamber - is not authentic. Polish Communists had actually built it
after the war. For simply quoting Piper's admission, the governent
charged Irving with "Defaming the memory of the dead."
Although he had clear evidence proving the truth of his statement,
Irving was forbidden to present it at his trial or even to call Dr.
Piper as a witness. For making his statements of historical fact, the
German government fined him 30,000 marks. In "the German State's
interest" they banned him from using the German State Archives where
he had labored for more than thirty years, and to which he had donated
priceless collections of original documents.
The German government has now banned him from the country. Canada,
France, Austria, Italy, South Africa, Australia and many other nations
have subsequently banned him at the behest of the Jews. His
publishers have been harassed and intimidated into canceling
contracts. He has been physically attacked and has had lectures
broken up by pipe-wielding thugs.
In Canada, at the request of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, the
authorities seized, shackled, and deported him from the country in
handcuffs. The Toronto Globe & Mail asked why he had been handcuffed
and then answered its own question, 'Did someone think he might use
his typewriter?'
With the American tradition of First Amendment rights, few realize
that in the so-called "Free World" it is possible for a historian to
be jailed simply for voicing an opinion about a historical event of 50
years ago. Speaking inside his home near the U.S. embassy in London,
Irving did an interview with a French television station, again
repeating the fact that the main gas chambers shown to tourists at
Auschwitz are fakes. For making this statement in his own living room
in London, he was prosecuted in the Paris courts. In France, it is
illegal to challenge any of the crimes against humanity as alleged in
the Nuremberg Trials Charter of 1945 - even if one does so in his own
home and in another country.
There are those who say that we should not debate aspects of the
Holocaust anymore than we should debate those who say the world is
flat. Yet, would any knowledgeable person be afraid to debate an
advocate of the flat Earth theory? Would he urge the passage of laws
to prevent the advocate of that theory from speaking, writing or
publishing? Would he try to have his livelihood destroyed, have him
fined thousands of dollars, and if that did not work, cast him into
prison?
I believe in freedom of speech because I am not afraid. I believe
that my ideas are well reasoned and that I can back up my opinions
with logic and evidence. In an atmosphere of free and open
discussion, I fear not, for there is not a truth that I dread. What
do the opponents of David Irving, or of all revisionists, fear?
Our libraries and schools are extremely well stocked with Holocaust
literature. Newspapers and magazines surge with an endless stream of
related stories. Theater and television screens light up with drama,
commentary, interviews, and images of the Holocaust. It would seem
that with this much overkill, there should be little to fear from the
David Irvings of the world - unless of course, they think that his
evidence is convincing, his reasoning sound and his presentation
eloquent. Thus, to protect their popular version of the Holocaust,
they seek to hound this man to the ends of the Earth.
What "historical fact" is so weak that it must be protected by terror,
by jail, and deportation? What do the opponents of David Irving and
the other revisionists fear? Are the revisionist arguments so
convincing that their opponents must use naked political oppression to
silence them?
http://www.duke.org
Most countries today do not have free speech. A group that is doing
something about it is the Canadian Free Speech league. They have
lawyers and fight for free speech in the courts. Their address is Box
101, 255 Menzies Street, Victoria, B.C. V8V 2G6, Western Canada.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
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In <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Blue Sky"
<skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote:
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over some
European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For instance, one
cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and more
and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the cartoons, as
a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of defiance against
intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
It's not funny.
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:36:40 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, "Blue Sky"
<skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote:
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over some
European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For instance, one
cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and more
and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the cartoons, as
a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of defiance against
intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
It's not funny.
No, it needed a modicum of thought first. I realize it was the best he
could do, but he could have practiced some before publishing.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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04 Feb 2006 10:30:17 PM |
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In article <1139105657.660304.9040
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>, Blue Sky said...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
Hmm, it's just too subtle for me to understand it.
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04 Feb 2006 08:52:51 PM |
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In article <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
skyxyz123@earthlink.net says...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
Absolutely. This is an opportunity for atheists to show that precise
hypocrisy on the part of xians and jews. They ridicule muslims, but they
have shown in the past that they are incapable to taking what they dish
out.
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04 Feb 2006 10:58:43 PM |
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quibbler wrote:
In article <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
skyxyz123@earthlink.net says...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
Absolutely. This is an opportunity for atheists to show that precise
hypocrisy on the part of xians and jews. They ridicule muslims, but they
have shown in the past that they are incapable to taking what they dish
out.
One of the tenets of Islam is taken from the admonitions to Moses: "thou
shalt not make unto thee a graven image". It's blasphemous enough in
Islam to make any portrait, especially to venerate a portrait of a
person. This is why so much of art from the Islamic culture is of
geometries and is often the most exquisite of calligraphy.
If it's an abomination to make a graven image of a supposed god, it must
be moreso to make a graven image of a prophet who represents a god
demanding that one should make no graven images. To the Islamist,
perhaps because of the irony, it's not just a blasphemy but an ironic
blasphemy. To make a graven image of a prophet of a god which demands
that there be no graven images, it's not merely blasphemy, but an insane
blasphemy.
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nam primi in omnibus proeliis oculi vincuntur.
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04 Feb 2006 11:10:51 PM |
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In article <43E58603.5010207@earthops.net>,
ixnayamspay_klaatu@earthops.net says...
quibbler wrote:
In article <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
skyxyz123@earthlink.net says...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
Absolutely. This is an opportunity for atheists to show that precise
hypocrisy on the part of xians and jews. They ridicule muslims, but they
have shown in the past that they are incapable to taking what they dish
out.
One of the tenets of Islam is taken from the admonitions to Moses: "thou
shalt not make unto thee a graven image".
Yeah, I'm quite aware of this nonsense. But actually they have made made
images of mohammed historically. They usually just compromise by
obscuring his face with that flame crap.
It's blasphemous enough in
Islam to make any portrait, especially to venerate a portrait of a
person.
I assure you, no veneration of mohammed is taking place.
This is why so much of art from the Islamic culture is of
geometries and is often the most exquisite of calligraphy.
It was impractical nonsense that muslims themselves failed to observe
If it's an abomination to make a graven image of a supposed god,
Nobody, muslim or non-muslim ever assumed old schmo-hamhead was a gawd.
it must
be moreso to make a graven image of a prophet who represents a god
demanding that one should make no graven images.
I think the real reason for the prohibition was that Mohammed and Allah
were some butt-ugly fools.
To the Islamist,
perhaps because of the irony, it's not just a blasphemy but an ironic
blasphemy. To make a graven image of a prophet of a god which demands
that there be no graven images, it's not merely blasphemy, but an insane
blasphemy.
Haw, I'm afraid that muslims seem to have cornered the market on insanity
right now.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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05 Feb 2006 06:00:09 PM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:58:43 -0500, Tiny Human Ferret
<ixnayamspay_klaatu@earthops.net> wrote in alt.atheism
quibbler wrote:
In article <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
skyxyz123@earthlink.net says...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
Absolutely. This is an opportunity for atheists to show that precise
hypocrisy on the part of xians and jews. They ridicule muslims, but they
have shown in the past that they are incapable to taking what they dish
out.
One of the tenets of Islam is taken from the admonitions to Moses: "thou
shalt not make unto thee a graven image".
Idol worship does not require a graven or painted image. Those Muslims
who rage and threaten demonstrate this fact nicely.
It's blasphemous enough in
Islam to make any portrait, especially to venerate a portrait of a
person.
Veneration doesn't require a portrait. That they see it as blasphemous
is of no matter. The tenets of their religion do not apply to those not
of their religion who reside outside those countries. If I was in their
country I would do my best to follow their rules. As a guest in their
country it is the courteous and respectful thing to do.
I've been in various countries and I've enjoyed them all. What I was
delighted to see was the different customs, cultures, and history. I'd
walk the streets of the cities and enjoy. I'd also try to find a book
on the city, with photographs, written in English. In the main, I was
successful and I treasure those books.
This is why so much of art from the Islamic culture is of
geometries and is often the most exquisite of calligraphy.
I've seen some and it is beautiful.
If it's an abomination to make a graven image of a supposed god, it must
be moreso to make a graven image of a prophet who represents a god
demanding that one should make no graven images. To the Islamist,
perhaps because of the irony, it's not just a blasphemy but an ironic
blasphemy. To make a graven image of a prophet of a god which demands
that there be no graven images, it's not merely blasphemy, but an insane
blasphemy.
Religion is insane anyway.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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05 Feb 2006 10:47:40 AM |
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On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:58:43 -0500, Tiny Human Ferret
<ixnayamspay_klaatu@earthops.net> wrote:
quibbler wrote:
In article <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
skyxyz123@earthlink.net says...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
Absolutely. This is an opportunity for atheists to show that precise
hypocrisy on the part of xians and jews. They ridicule muslims, but they
have shown in the past that they are incapable to taking what they dish
out.
One of the tenets of Islam is taken from the admonitions to Moses: "thou
shalt not make unto thee a graven image". It's blasphemous enough in
Islam to make any portrait, especially to venerate a portrait of a
person. This is why so much of art from the Islamic culture is of
geometries and is often the most exquisite of calligraphy.
Any portrait? That doesn't compute. There are so many pictures of the
Ayatollah in Iran you can hardly find an empty space.
If it's an abomination to make a graven image of a supposed god, it must
be moreso to make a graven image of a prophet who represents a god
demanding that one should make no graven images. To the Islamist,
perhaps because of the irony, it's not just a blasphemy but an ironic
blasphemy. To make a graven image of a prophet of a god which demands
that there be no graven images, it's not merely blasphemy, but an insane
blasphemy.
Huh? What I don't understand is that the Muslim press does caricatures
of Jews and Xtians all the time and feel okay about it - just check
any Saudi or Irani newspaper - remember, the holocaust never happened
(wrong). But they get their burkas in a knot when anyone does the same
to their 'prophet'. Hey, Muslims, if you're going to reside in the
West, then live with the culture and its consequences. Most of us
aren't Muslims, we respect your religion, but respect our culture and
rights more. Live with it.
WB Yeats
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07 Feb 2006 10:23:31 AM |
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:47:40 GMT, wrote in
alt.atheism
On Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:58:43 -0500, Tiny Human Ferret
<ixnayamspay_klaatu@earthops.net> wrote:
quibbler wrote:
In article <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
skyxyz123@earthlink.net says...
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
Absolutely. This is an opportunity for atheists to show that precise
hypocrisy on the part of xians and jews. They ridicule muslims, but they
have shown in the past that they are incapable to taking what they dish
out.
One of the tenets of Islam is taken from the admonitions to Moses: "thou
shalt not make unto thee a graven image". It's blasphemous enough in
Islam to make any portrait, especially to venerate a portrait of a
person. This is why so much of art from the Islamic culture is of
geometries and is often the most exquisite of calligraphy.
Any portrait? That doesn't compute. There are so many pictures of the
Ayatollah in Iran you can hardly find an empty space.
If it's an abomination to make a graven image of a supposed god, it must
be moreso to make a graven image of a prophet who represents a god
demanding that one should make no graven images. To the Islamist,
perhaps because of the irony, it's not just a blasphemy but an ironic
blasphemy. To make a graven image of a prophet of a god which demands
that there be no graven images, it's not merely blasphemy, but an insane
blasphemy.
Huh? What I don't understand is that the Muslim press does caricatures
of Jews and Xtians all the time and feel okay about it - just check
any Saudi or Irani newspaper - remember, the holocaust never happened
(wrong). But they get their burkas in a knot when anyone does the same
to their 'prophet'. Hey, Muslims, if you're going to reside in the
West, then live with the culture and its consequences. Most of us
aren't Muslims, we respect your religion, but respect our culture and
rights more. Live with it.
Islam doesn't allow any of that.
WB Yeats
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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Muslim nullticulturalism illustrated
That had got be one of the most crude, retarded cartoons I've ever seen.
Zero artistic talent but I'm sure multiculturalists, the cave into Islam
types, will like it
rx
"Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over
some European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For
instance, one cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a
bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
Reference on the protests in the Moslem world and on more European
newspapers publishing the cartoons.
"Denmark PM rejects apology demand." Jan 30, 2006. Good summary of
events.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/8808AC96-0809-4BE8-98E2-ED963AE8FDE4.htm
"Muhammed cartoon row goes global." Feb 2, 2006.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/6204FC53-1286-4234-B0CD-71F7DC8B20F1.htm
"Attack threat as cartoon row escalates." Feb 2, 2006.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/B656C415-F0B8-488A-8C2B-14014EF1B3A8.htm
"Angry crowds attack Danish, Norwegian embassies in Syria." Feb 4,
2006.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060204/wl_mideast_afp/europeislammediasyria;_ylt=AqVzmf
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On 4 Feb 2006 18:14:17 -0800, "Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net>
wrote:
- Refer: <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over
some European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For
instance, one cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a
bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
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Show that cartoon to your shrink.
I dare you.
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In <h1uau1lo3e7hfidea8u27662hqotf1vlb9@4ax.com>, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On 4 Feb 2006 18:14:17 -0800, "Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote:
- Refer: <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over some
European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For instance, one
cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
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Show that cartoon to your shrink.
I dare you.
He needs to take some drawing lessons...
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Mark K. Bilbo
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http://www.nola.com/katrinaphotos/user/
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http://www.nola.com
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 08:37:07 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote in alt.atheism
In <h1uau1lo3e7hfidea8u27662hqotf1vlb9@4ax.com>, Michael Gray
<fleetg@newsguy.spam.com> wrote:
On 4 Feb 2006 18:14:17 -0800, "Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote:
- Refer: <1139105657.660304.9040@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over some
European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For instance, one
cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a bomb.
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
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Show that cartoon to your shrink.
I dare you.
He needs to take some drawing lessons...
Some thinking lessons would be needed first.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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On 4 Feb 2006 18:14:17 -0800, "Blue Sky" <skyxyz123@earthlink.net> wrote
in alt.atheism
There is a big fracas right now (Feb, 2006) in the Moslem world over
some European cartoons negative toward the Prophet Muhammed. For
instance, one cartoon has the turban on the Prophet looking like a
bomb.
He *is* a bomb, fucks camels, and swallows swine semen.
http://www.imagedemon.com/image.asp?pic=6&id=060205134438-685445703&name=&up=&s=2
More and more places in the Moslem world are erupting in protest, and
more and more newspapers in Europe are insisting on publishing the
cartoons, as a support for Freedom of Expression, and as an act of
defiance against intimidation. (See any of the links at the end of this
post.)
I've seen a bunch of them-*including* the ones the Immam and his team in
Denmark generated.
But what if a cartoon was critical of the Gods outside of the Moslem
religion? Then how would the European newspapers feel? Here is such a
cartoon!
www.truthandhonor.info/cartoon.htm
Very poorly done. If one is going to do something at least put some
effort and thought into it! I've seen some of the cartoons in the Arab
press. [shrug] That's their perogative, and their hypocrisy was noted
long ago.
Reference on the protests in the Moslem world and on more European
newspapers publishing the cartoons.
Yeah, I know. Those Muslims in Europe making threats are more than
welcome to go back to the totalitarian 'garden spots' they originated.
I'm sure the host country populace would not have a problem putting them
on the first aircraft out with a "Don't let the door hit you on the *****
on the way out" pamphlet. Bye bye and good riddance to bad rubbish.
There's many folks of all religions, and none, that are fine human
beings and I salute them.
I would like to point out those Muslims who are rioting and threatening
are guilty of turning their Prophet into an idol. Idolism doesn't
require imagery.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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| User: "gee" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon on non-Moslem religions! |
04 Feb 2006 09:28:53 PM |
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You should be aware that Moslems take portrayals of the prophet literally;
that is, a cartoon of the prophet is an actual offense against his person.
Likewise, a copy of the Koran is literally the body of god, never mind
that it was produced on a mechanical printing press.
(Kinda makes me think about people who want to protect the US flag from
abuse....)
Christians don't personify their icons the way Muslims do, so a comparison
on that level isn't valid.
Anyway, it is useful to know where these people are coming from, whether
you agree or not.
gg
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| User: "Ernesto" |
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| Title: Re: A Cartoon on non-Moslem religions! |
05 Feb 2006 12:16:05 AM |
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"gee" <gee@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:gee-0402062235180001@dialup-4.154.107.19.dial1.atlanta1.level3.net...
You should be aware that Moslems take portrayals of the prophet literally;
that is, a cartoon of the prophet is an actual offense against his person.
Likewise, a copy of the Koran is literally the body of god, never mind
that it was produced on a mechanical printing press.
It'd be so ironic if any of the parts (chips?) or the press itself were made
in Israel or designed by Jewish engineers ...
(Kinda makes me think about people who want to protect the US flag from
abuse....)
Christians don't personify their icons the way Muslims do, so a comparison
on that level isn't valid.
Go to Mexico on December 12th and wear a t-shirt having the Virgin of
Guadalupe wearing a mini-skirt, or showing her topless, etc. See what
happens to you. Imagine if a newspaper published a similar cartoon on
12/12? ooops! Major oooops for the building housing that newspaper!
Anyway, it is useful to know where these people are coming from, whether
you agree or not.
gg
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