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14 Jan 2008 09:20:18 AM |
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a challenge.... |
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
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| User: "LC" |
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14 Jan 2008 10:41:06 AM |
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<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0992171f-9d0c-4be6-b01a-52140954f261@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
Curious choice of nyms, then.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
Why?
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Why would I care what you believe?
Now the floor is yours ..!
And the door is yours.
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| User: "Mr D. Mr" |
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15 Jan 2008 08:12:20 AM |
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<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:0992171f-9d0c-4be6-b01a-52140954f261@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
Listen, kiddie: if you want to believe mad *****, that's your business.
M.
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| User: "Kenneth Doyle" |
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14 Jan 2008 05:11:14 PM |
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"christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in news:0992171f-
9d0c-4be6-b01a-52140954f261@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
How can we convince anyone of the non-existence of an ill-defined concept.
First you have to define exactly what you mean by "God". But if you decide
to do this, be very careful. Your muslim brothers may have a different
definition. If your definition differs from theirs, it might not be good
for your health.
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| User: "Ed" |
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14 Jan 2008 06:53:22 PM |
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"christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in news:0992171f-
9d0c-4be6-b01a-52140954f261@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
You're obviously a fool. Trying to educate you would be a waste of time.
Might as well try pissing up a rope.
--
Woden
"religion is a socio-political system for controlling people's thoughts,
lives and actions based on ancient myths and superstitions, perpetrated
through generations of subtle yet pervasive brainwashing."
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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15 Jan 2008 08:42:35 AM |
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"christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in news:0992171f-
9d0c-4be6-b01a-52140954f261@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
This is alt.atheism. Go away.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
I have a problem with people who take the Constitution loosely and the
Bible literally.
--Bill Maher
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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14 Jan 2008 07:23:53 PM |
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wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
I'm sorry.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
Which god?
well, try to convince me !
Not my job mon.
--
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
____________________________________________________________________
Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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14 Jan 2008 02:31:29 PM |
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wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
I'm not a proselytizer. I don't give a ***** what you believe, as long
as you keep it out of my face.
--
Uncle Vic
2011
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| User: "JessHC" |
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14 Jan 2008 11:50:31 AM |
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wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Tell us what objective, verifiable evidence convinced you deities
exist. When you realize you have none, explain why we should accept
YOUR unsupported assertion while rejecting all the other described
deities.
It isn't our job to convince you; you're the one making the claim.
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| User: "Martin" |
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14 Jan 2008 02:55:49 PM |
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wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
hmmm tell us again about tall buildings and Salmon Rushdie
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
Bzzz
You convince me there isn't a giant tea-pot floating around near Mars
and I'll try and convince you there isn't a god - any god.
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Tell us again about tall buildings
Now the floor is yours ..!
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| User: "chibiabos" |
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14 Jan 2008 08:37:22 PM |
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In article
<0992171f-9d0c-4be6-b01a-52140954f261@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<"christ.loover@gmail.com"> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Mohammed was a child-fucker. What does that make you? Worshiper of a
pedophile.
Grow up. Get a clue. Kill yourself and raise the collective
intelligence of humanity. Try to do it without taking 50 or 60
innocents with you.
-chib
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Member of S.M.A.S.H.
Sarcastic Middle-aged Atheists with a Sense of Humor
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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14 Jan 2008 08:40:44 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 18:37:22 -0800, chibiabos <chib@nospam.com> wrote:
In article
<0992171f-9d0c-4be6-b01a-52140954f261@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
<"christ.loover@gmail.com"> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Mohammed was a child-fucker. What does that make you? Worshiper of a
pedophile.
To be fair, he was a product of his time. They needed women to keep
bearing children for their society to survive, and when they were old
enough to bleed they were old enough to breed.
Grow up. Get a clue. Kill yourself and raise the collective
intelligence of humanity. Try to do it without taking 50 or 60
innocents with you.
Or 3000.
-chib
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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14 Jan 2008 08:18:47 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST) "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> carved the following into the hard stone of
alt.atheism
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Sorry, but you are the one making a positive claim.
If I tell you that there are fairies in the bottom of my garden, what
would you say?
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Olrik" |
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14 Jan 2008 11:40:34 PM |
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On Jan 14, 10:20 am, "christ.loo...@gmail.com"
<christ.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
No, you're not. You're a Loki.
***** off and FOAD.
Thanks.
Olrik
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
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| User: "" |
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14 Jan 2008 01:23:42 PM |
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On Jan 14, 10:20=A0am, "christ.loo...@gmail.com"
<christ.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
My condolences.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
Don't really care. Just ain't seen any, that's all.
well, try to convince me !
No, really, I've never seen *any* evidence gods exist.
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist
Dude, do your own homework. Anyone who can read *should* be an
atheist.
just
like you, ok ?
No one is just like me. I'm unique.
Now the floor is yours ..!
No it isn't. I rent.
-PF
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| User: "sleepykit" |
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14 Jan 2008 06:45:09 PM |
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On Jan 14, 8:20 am, "christ.loo...@gmail.com"
<christ.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
My first question is why do you need convincing? If you want to
continue believing in Allah, then by all means, do so to your heart's
content.
The second is a bit more complex. Atheists are people who believe
there is no god. They are the non-stamp-collectors or the the non-
drunks of the world. In short, atheism is the default state you get
before you make a choice to believe in any god at all. If you've gone
down the religious list and found nothing of fancy, then you end up at
the catch all, atheism. Given that, why should we convince you of our
position?
Let's say for example that you like sea shells and collect them for
fun. What exactly would it mean to you when someone from the vast
majority of people who don't care about sea shells began trying to
convince you not to collect them anymore? Would it even make sense to
you?
It's not on those who don't believe to bring proof to the table
because, really, we're already living at the bottom line. It's up to
those who believe in a deity of any sort to provide proof of its
existence. Any failure to do so results in square one, which is
atheism.
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| User: "William Wingstedt" |
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14 Jan 2008 11:39:41 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
That's right!
well, try to convince me !
Convince you what? That I don't believe in gods? Ummm...OK...I really,
really, really, really don't believe in gods. In fact, I don't believe
in them so much that you cannot possibly deny that I don't.
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
OK!
Now the floor is yours ..!
Welcome to atheism!
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| User: "raven1" |
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14 Jan 2008 09:57:58 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Atheism is the default position. Where's your proof of any kind of
"God"?
---
"Faith may not move mountains, but you should see what it does to skyscrapers..."
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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14 Jan 2008 11:22:58 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:57:58 -0500, raven1
<quoththeraven@nevermore.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Atheism is the default position. Where's your proof of any kind of
"God"?
That's right, he choose (or was idoctrinated as a child) to *BEGIN*
believing claims there was a god abandoning his natural position of
no belief regarding claimed gods
Have you ever seen those sickening films of children sat neatly
cross legged on thr floor rocking rythmically to and fro as they
chanted the Koran? A rythmic beat that prevents pause for thought
or questioning but helps pump the stuff into the poor mind
uninterrupted . What child would dare interrupt such a rythm to
ask the beat meister "excuse me sir but how does the author
know what he claims?"
I thank providence I was born British and not in some middle
Eastern country where such abuse is inflicted on children. I
shudder to think that but for accident of birth I might have
had to go though that.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Liz" |
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14 Jan 2008 06:32:56 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
Right.
well, try to convince me !
Why should I want to convince you? You can believe any silly thing
you want to believe as long as you don't try to have the government
enforce your beliefs as if they were true. Or you come to an atheist
newsgroup and assert your beliefs without support of evidence. That's
rather rude.
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Non-belief can not be coerced. Atheism can not be learned. It is a
realization that Godİ has no existence independent of the minds of
those who believe in it. Once you realize that, you will be an
atheist. There is nothing I can do to convince you to make that
realization. You must do it on your own.
Now the floor is yours ..!
Then I shall dance. Will you hum a waltz?
Liz #658 BAAWA
We may have lost our moral compass but we still have our chaste
sextant, our modest flashlight, our ethical pen knife, and our
virtuous canteen. -- jwkinraleigh
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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14 Jan 2008 10:13:06 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
Who'd give a ***** about that if you had the common sense and courtesy
to keep it to yourself?
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
Idiot.
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
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| User: "Apostate" |
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14 Jan 2008 11:18:18 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com>
wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Believe any twaddle you like, OK?
It isn't the reponsibility of anyone in a.a. to teach you anything, or straighten out your
fantasy life. The only thing we'd like to convince you of is that it isn't in anyone's
interest for you to post the same kind of nonsense here that an unthinking, poorly-educated
Crusader would post.
The ng FAQ make clear that arguments whether atheists are wrong or right to be atheists is
unwelcome off-topic spam, just the way you might consider it unwelcome for us to throw Why
Islam Is Poopyheaded bombs into a Muslim ng where you are a regular. Similarly, it isn't
on-topic for us to convince anyone to abandon a religion they're culturally married to. Take
responsibility for your own beliefs. Not our problem.
And stop looving Christ. It's embarrassing.
--
Apostate a.a. #1931
..sig currently undergoing maintenance
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| User: "Bill M" |
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14 Jan 2008 07:00:48 AM |
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"Apostate" <godless.*****@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:7l5no399qb8hhhhf2dnq9r4od1motrp8gl@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), "christ.loover@gmail.com"
<christ.loover@gmail.com>
wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Believe any twaddle you like, OK?
It isn't the reponsibility of anyone in a.a. to teach you anything, or
straighten out your
fantasy life. The only thing we'd like to convince you of is that it
isn't in anyone's
interest for you to post the same kind of nonsense here that an
unthinking, poorly-educated
Crusader would post.
The ng FAQ make clear that arguments whether atheists are wrong or right
to be atheists is
unwelcome off-topic spam, just the way you might consider it unwelcome for
us to throw Why
Islam Is Poopyheaded bombs into a Muslim ng where you are a regular.
Similarly, it isn't
on-topic for us to convince anyone to abandon a religion they're
culturally married to. Take
responsibility for your own beliefs. Not our problem.
And stop looving Christ. It's embarrassing.
--
Apostate a.a. #1931
.sig currently undergoing maintenance
Why don't you be honest and just admit you can't answer his question?
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| User: "Syd M." |
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14 Jan 2008 12:41:40 PM |
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On Jan 14, 8:00=A0am, "Bill M" <wm...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Apostate" <godless.bast...@yeehaw.org.invalid> wrote in message
news:7l5no399qb8hhhhf2dnq9r4od1motrp8gl@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), "christ.loo...@gmail.com"
<christ.loo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
Believe any twaddle you like, OK?
It isn't the reponsibility of anyone in a.a. to teach you anything, or
straighten out your
fantasy life. =A0The only thing we'd like to convince you of is that it
isn't in anyone's
interest for you to post the same kind of nonsense here that an
unthinking, poorly-educated
Crusader would post.
The ng FAQ make clear that arguments whether atheists are wrong or right=
to be atheists is
unwelcome off-topic spam, just the way you might consider it unwelcome f=
or
us to throw Why
Islam Is Poopyheaded bombs into a Muslim ng where you are a regular.
Similarly, it isn't
on-topic for us to convince anyone to abandon a religion they're
culturally married to. =A0Take
responsibility for your own beliefs. =A0Not our problem.
And stop looving Christ. =A0It's embarrassing.
--
Apostate =A0 =A0a.a. #1931
.sig currently undergoing maintenance
Why don't you be honest and just admit you can't answer his question?
It's not his job.
Din't you read his post?
PDW
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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14 Jan 2008 07:31:39 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800 (PST), in alt.atheism
"christ.loover@gmail.com" <christ.loover@gmail.com> wrote in
<0992171f-9d0c-4be6-b01a-52140954f261@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
With the nic of Christ.loover?
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
I don't believe that you exist as you claim. Why should I believe in
something that has no evidence at all for it.
well, try to convince me !
No. I like it when people delude themselves, as long as they don't cause
harm.
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
You'll never be just like me. Please, stay 'Islamic', you are a much
better argument against religion that way.
Now the floor is yours ..!
Bye.
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| User: "Enkidu" |
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14 Jan 2008 07:10:36 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800, wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
Care factor? Zero.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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14 Jan 2008 10:08:23 AM |
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:20:18 -0800, wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
I'm sorry.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
Yep.
well, try to convince me !
No.
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just like
you, ok ?
That's your problem.
Now the floor is yours ..!
That's nice.
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"For god so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son,
that whosoever would believe in him would believe in anything."
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| User: "Mr D. Mr" |
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15 Jan 2008 08:14:07 AM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message news:n0es55-qe1.ln1@
Now the floor is yours ..!
That's nice.
Indeed. It's not often that a religious believer gives away territory...
M.
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| User: "Dag Yo" |
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14 Jan 2008 11:13:04 AM |
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Your challenge is much too difficult for us.
I don't even know how to begin to tell someone that they should not
believe things that are false.
On Jan 14, 7:20 am, "christ.loo...@gmail.com"
<christ.loo...@gmail.com> wrote:
hi all of you,
first of all, i am a muslim.
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
well, try to convince me !
if you convince me i'll forget my Islam and become an atheist just
like you, ok ?
Now the floor is yours ..!
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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14 Jan 2008 01:11:50 PM |
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christ.loover@gmail.com:
you don't believe in the existence of God right ?
Which one? My faith offers quite a number of deities.
Well, anyway. For the context of this posting let's assume I'm an atheist.
well, try to convince me !
Of what?
That no deities at all, of whatever type, do exist? Impossible.
That the judeo-christian-islamic sadistic monster gawds don't exist? No need
to. The so-called "scriptures" of these cults disprove themselves.
if you convince me
I doubt that anyone or anything can ever convince a true morontheist...
unless she does the job herself.
But anyway. Tell us now:
Where are the limits of your gawd's power? Or is it omnipotent?
Same for knowledge, or is it omniscient?
And about its "love" (ha!), is it omnibenevolent?
If you answered "yes" to all three (well, to the "omni" part of them), you
just lied to us. Be honest now and admit where you lied.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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