"Ye Old One" <use...@mcsuk.net> wrote in messagenews:f0mio3ladk406c5n22ch9rscto4tg9espu@4ax.com...

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:20:40 GMT, Ye Old One <use...@mcsuk.net>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

A challenge to McClueless - Step one.

[a copy of this has been posted to alt.atheism]

24 hours gone, and McClueless has posted to both alt.atheism and
talk.origins but he has not passed a single comment on this challenge.

Now I wonder why that is?

How long do people think I should let it go before I accept his
avoidance of this challenge as final proof that he has been lying all
along about these videos?

I'm thinking seven (7) posting days. Any day he posts to either group
counts as a day. Does anyone think that is unfair?

He's a cowardly fundy and always has been.
I doubt he'll ever reply. If he does, he 'll
make all kinds of stupid accusations. He won't
take up your challege. He has the tape - at
least on VHS. I wonder if he ever got or made
a DVD copy. The tape he sent me had material
from more than one source. Unless he's lost it
himself over the years, there is no reason why
he can't make another copy. Even if he can
only do a VHS copy, someone else could copy
it to DVD. The McBuckBuckBacaw is too
chicken to do this. He go creamed before. He
knows he'll get creamed again.

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:40:29 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:20:40 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

A challenge to McClueless - Step one.

[a copy of this has been posted to talk.origins]

McClueless has often referred to the "1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Studies
Video" and to using HiDef video to film activities when he visited the
site.

Ok, I'll be honest I'm totally fed up with the lies and prevarications
from McClueless over his alleged videos. So, I'm going to issue a
clear challenge to him that takes a number of stages. In effect, this
is stage 1.

Stage 1 - I make this challenge, and he in turn agrees to take up the
challenge, for him to make both the videos he claims to have available
to a wider audience.

Stage 2 - He obtains, from local commercial services, estimates as to
the cost of transferring both videos to standard AVI format on DVD. We
will have established in advance the length of each video, its source
type (we only know that one is a VHS tape) and what output we are
seeking - do we want it time coded for instance.

Stage 3 - If those costs are reasonable (I know how much it would cost
in the UK and I will take guidance from people here as well as to how
fair the US prices he gets are) then I will agree to pay for the
conversion. The original tapes will always remain his property. I will
ask for two copies of each DVD to be made, one for him and one to be
sent to me in the UK.

Stage 4 - On receipt of the DVD(s) I will publish details of the files
and check sums so that no alteration can be made. McClueless can the
agree those details through this group.

Stage 5 - I will upload files to a server where they can be downloaded
and viewed. This may be done either through a binary newsgroup, a
website, a commercial video server or any other agreed method.

Stage 6 - He is then free to make any claims he wants about the
content of the videos and we will be in a position to judge them - as
will anyone else interested enough to download and review them.

So, it is up to McClueless now.

Well folks, it had now been a whole week since I first laid this
challenge at the feet of McClueless. Guess what? Not a word from him.

Seven days that has seen his return to talk.origins, something he
claimed he would never do. Seven days is which I, and a lot of other
people on both groups, have taken every opportunity to remind him of
this challenge.

Looks like McClueless is proving himself a liar when it comes to these
videos - I mean, what other conclusion is there to draw?

Now, the big question is - should I give him longer?

You could give him until the turn of the century and you'd still never
see any video.

On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 00:40:29 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:20:40 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

A challenge to McClueless - Step one.

[a copy of this has been posted to talk.origins]

McClueless has often referred to the "1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Studies
Video" and to using HiDef video to film activities when he visited the
site.

Ok, I'll be honest I'm totally fed up with the lies and prevarications
from McClueless over his alleged videos. So, I'm going to issue a
clear challenge to him that takes a number of stages. In effect, this
is stage 1.

Stage 1 - I make this challenge, and he in turn agrees to take up the
challenge, for him to make both the videos he claims to have available
to a wider audience.

Stage 2 - He obtains, from local commercial services, estimates as to
the cost of transferring both videos to standard AVI format on DVD. We
will have established in advance the length of each video, its source
type (we only know that one is a VHS tape) and what output we are
seeking - do we want it time coded for instance.

Stage 3 - If those costs are reasonable (I know how much it would cost
in the UK and I will take guidance from people here as well as to how
fair the US prices he gets are) then I will agree to pay for the
conversion. The original tapes will always remain his property. I will
ask for two copies of each DVD to be made, one for him and one to be
sent to me in the UK.

Stage 4 - On receipt of the DVD(s) I will publish details of the files
and check sums so that no alteration can be made. McClueless can the
agree those details through this group.

Stage 5 - I will upload files to a server where they can be downloaded
and viewed. This may be done either through a binary newsgroup, a
website, a commercial video server or any other agreed method.

Stage 6 - He is then free to make any claims he wants about the
content of the videos and we will be in a position to judge them - as
will anyone else interested enough to download and review them.

So, it is up to McClueless now.

Well folks, it had now been a whole week since I first laid this
challenge at the feet of McClueless. Guess what? Not a word from him.

Seven days that has seen his return to talk.origins, something he
claimed he would never do. Seven days is which I, and a lot of other
people on both groups, have taken every opportunity to remind him of
this challenge.

Looks like McClueless is proving himself a liar when it comes to these
videos - I mean, what other conclusion is there to draw?

Now, the big question is - should I give him longer?

You could give him until the turn of the century and you'd still never
see any video.

On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 00:20:21 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net> wrote:

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 23:20:40 GMT, Ye Old One <usenet@mcsuk.net>
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

A challenge to McClueless - Step one.

[a copy of this has been posted to talk.origins]

48 hours gone, and McClueless has posted again, at least to
alt.atheism, but he has still to pass a single comment on this
challenge.

Now I wonder why that is?

Thanks to those who are taking the time to remind him of the
McClueless Video Challenge.

I'm going to be on him about it until he flees screaming into the
night. LOL

McDimwit is not only a shameless liar, he's a smug, *arrogant*
shameless liar. That's what really pisses me off about him. The fact
that he assumes we're stupid enough to believe his *****.

On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:26:35 -0700, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor"
<ktayloraz@getnet.net> enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Ye Old One wrote:

A challenge to McClueless - Step one.

[a copy of this has been posted to talk.origins]

McClueless has often referred to the "1985-6 Noah's Ark Field Studies
Video" and to using HiDef video to film activities when he visited the
site.

Ok, I'll be honest I'm totally fed up with the lies and prevarications
from McClueless over his alleged videos. So, I'm going to issue a
clear challenge to him that takes a number of stages. In effect, this
is stage 1.

Stage 1 - I make this challenge, and he in turn agrees to take up the
challenge, for him to make both the videos he claims to have available
to a wider audience.

Stage 2 - He obtains, from local commercial services, estimates as to
the cost of transferring both videos to standard AVI format on DVD. We
will have established in advance the length of each video, its source
type (we only know that one is a VHS tape) and what output we are
seeking - do we want it time coded for instance.

Stage 3 - If those costs are reasonable (I know how much it would cost
in the UK and I will take guidance from people here as well as to how
fair the US prices he gets are) then I will agree to pay for the
conversion. The original tapes will always remain his property. I will
ask for two copies of each DVD to be made, one for him and one to be
sent to me in the UK.

Stage 4 - On receipt of the DVD(s) I will publish details of the files
and check sums so that no alteration can be made. McClueless can the
agree those details through this group.

Stage 5 - I will upload files to a server where they can be downloaded
and viewed. This may be done either through a binary newsgroup, a
website, a commercial video server or any other agreed method.

Stage 6 - He is then free to make any claims he wants about the
content of the videos and we will be in a position to judge them - as
will anyone else interested enough to download and review them.

So, it is up to McClueless now.

Actually, for about $50 American, McDingbat can purchase and analog to
digital converter for either a desk top or notebook computer. Then he
simply plugs his VHS into that and makes the digital copies.

Ah! But he has already claimed he needs a new hard drive cos his 500GB
one is full to the brim :)

Of course, the fact that McMoron will spend $600 on a metal detector,
but can't figure out how to post a digital copy of his "video" speaks
volumes as to the existence of said "video".

Hi Def or not, the term Vaporware comes to mind rather quickly.

Very true - and one reason why I've issued the challenge.

I would like everyone replying to any of his posts to add a line
similar to "Any word on the video challenge McClueless?" You know,
just to remind him :)