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"|-|erc" |
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06 Aug 2003 07:34:35 PM |
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a difference between christianity and atheism |
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
Herc
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| User: "Maverick" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
07 Aug 2003 02:43:01 AM |
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"|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
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if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
Perhaps you meant to say "if one wins over the other, then the other will
end".
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
Atheism is not a belief. It's a lack of belief.
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
First of all, I have no intention of killing or crucifying anyone because of
someone's belief, I could leave that up to the believers. And atheism can't
die if everyone are atheists.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
Why is it so important for christians to convert others into believing the
myths and fantasy stories? What value could that possibly have?
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
07 Aug 2003 10:04:09 PM |
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"|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:<vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>...
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him. [...]
Too bad we can't teleport you over to the Buffyverse, where I guess
you would be happy. In the Buffyverse one can only suppose that
geology supports the seven day creation, does not include millions of
extinct species, and indicates the earth is only a few thousand years
old. Furthermore in the Buffyverse the earth is oddly hollow with
plenty of room for Hell. Furthermore strange magical happenings are
quite common and are easily documented, and Hellspawn can be found in
any dark alley. I suppose in the Buffyverse DNA may contain encoded
Old Testament text or maybe a label "Made by God" in a nice font. The
tablets of Moses and the Ark are on display in Egyptian and Turkish
museums. Just a few years ago, when the 900 foot tall Jesus appeared
to Oral Roberts, huge deep footprints were found and soil compaction
indicates they were made by something that weighed almost a million
tons.
Oops, but of course, you're here.
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| User: "Peter van Velzen" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
07 Aug 2003 05:59:07 PM |
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"|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:<vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>...
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
Herc
That's why we do not kill or crusify,
and if the last Christian converts or dies of old age,
we are going to make a shrine for him/her so (s)he is never forgotten.
Thus theism will never be forgotten and Atheism will live.
Better than that, the EAC will regularly send posts by people name
Boatwright, Duke32 and the like, so it will seems there are still
Christians. (and they all seem perfectly stupid).
I suppose they have already manafactured some fake muslims and Hindus
to troll around here, but - of course - in a world politically
dominated by the USA, the Christians - even the fake ones - will
dominate the theist trolling in alt.atheism.
Atheism forever!!!
Think for yourself
Peter van Velzen August 2003
Atheist#1107
Amstelveen
The Netherlands (Aug 5, 1950)
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| User: "John Popelish" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
06 Aug 2003 09:49:27 PM |
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David L wrote:
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:3F31B27C.77E4130B@rica.net...
|-|erc wrote:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
Forget the kill and crucify parts. Enlightenment is all that is
necessary. And I agree that the word atheism will loose all meaning
once all the god botherers are gone, but the absence of god belief
will live on in glory.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
Christianity and all other monotheistic religions thrive on conversion
and coercion. But the reaction to those religions of, "You can't be
serious!" (which is the essence of atheism) will live as long as man
breaths.
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John Popelish
John Popelish wrote: Christianity and all other monotheistic religions
thrive on conversion
and coercion.
Not true. Not all monotheistic religions encourage, solicit, or even accept
conversions. Some sects of Christianity don't go very far out of their way
to encourage conversions, and I know that Judaism specifically discourages
conversions, and makes it a very difficult process for someone wishing to
convert.
You got me there.
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John Popelish
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| User: "Thomas Punch" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
06 Aug 2003 10:08:19 PM |
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Dear me david what a weak reply.
(a.) Judaism is entirely a race related religion so it is illogical to use
them in this argument.
(b.) It does not matter if you can, even after removing the Jews from your
argument, find one monotheistic religion that does not attempt to convert
because the majority does.
(c.) It is a shame that christians chose to arguse about inconsequential
details in order to face up to truth.
"David L" <FlashPoint222@charter.net> wrote in message
news:vj3eo9r1dnj6e8@corp.supernews.com...
"John Popelish" <jpopelish@rica.net> wrote in message
news:3F31B27C.77E4130B@rica.net...
|-|erc wrote:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
Forget the kill and crucify parts. Enlightenment is all that is
necessary. And I agree that the word atheism will loose all meaning
once all the god botherers are gone, but the absence of god belief
will live on in glory.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
Christianity and all other monotheistic religions thrive on conversion
and coercion. But the reaction to those religions of, "You can't be
serious!" (which is the essence of atheism) will live as long as man
breaths.
--
John Popelish
John Popelish wrote: Christianity and all other monotheistic religions
thrive on conversion
and coercion.
Not true. Not all monotheistic religions encourage, solicit, or even
accept
conversions. Some sects of Christianity don't go very far out of their way
to encourage conversions, and I know that Judaism specifically discourages
conversions, and makes it a very difficult process for someone wishing to
convert.
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 01:24:16 AM |
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I have attempted to remove the cross-posted group from my reply.
Apologies in advance if I have failed. However..I can't help but
notice that so many of the people who cross-post their xian
apologetics here fail to realize the difference between religion &
politics.
To be blunt..it's not my fault they're so damn stupid.
"|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message news:<vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>...
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief,
(sigh) Atheism is not a *belief*. It is simply the lack of belief in
the alleged `supernatural'.
and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
Oh, the moronic xian `Persecution Complex'. This clown *has* to be
posting from the US, or from Australia (which unfortunatly seems to be
suffering a new curse of US-like `Fundamentalism'). Unfortunately, the
land of my birth has become the place where so many of those mutated
lil' fish choose to spawn. Even though there's a Tax-Free Torture
Chamber on every stinking street corner over here in the US, they
still claim that their lives are in danger. They fail to understand
that their life is not in danger when they fail to spread their tripe
to the rest of the world.
I *really* don't know why they consider my freedom as a threat to
their moronic little fairy tale..I've never stumbled into one of their
pathetic local palaces and threatened anyone. Let them play, let them
pray. IMHO, the losers will get what they deserve.
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
I was going to ask WTF he/she meant..but the comment above is so weird
that I don't know where to start asking the question.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
Oh! *Now* I understand. This fool still thinks of atheism as a
*competitor* to his lame-***** `belief' in the ridiculous xian version
of the old Palistinian myth. Normally, I would laugh.
Then I realized that World War Three will be fought by people who are
stupid enough to swallow the various xian and muzzie "interpretations"
of the same worthless Palistinian myth. It makes me *very* angry..a
war that's been created by a `pissing contest' over who has the
biggest imaginary friend. IMO, nowdays it's a very small step from
being an atheist to being an anti-thiest. You idiots have brought it
upon yourselves.
Dang shame Bushyhead's war in Iraq is disquised by his corporate
friends' desire for oil. Otherwise, everyone would see that Bushyhead
is on the `Seventh Crusade'.
Herc
Rhymes with "Jerk".
Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa #2015
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 12:26:07 PM |
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On 08 Aug 2003, (Panama Floyd) screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:1dc4029a.0308072224.7bb6b5c0@posting.google.com:
I have attempted to remove the cross-posted group from my reply.
Apologies in advance if I have failed. However..I can't help but
notice that so many of the people who cross-post their xian
apologetics here fail to realize the difference between religion &
politics.
To be blunt..it's not my fault they're so damn stupid.
"|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> wrote in message
news:<vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>...
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief,
(sigh) Atheism is not a *belief*. It is simply the lack of belief in
the alleged `supernatural'.
and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
Oh, the moronic xian `Persecution Complex'. This clown *has* to be
posting from the US, or from Australia (which unfortunatly seems to be
suffering a new curse of US-like `Fundamentalism'). Unfortunately, the
land of my birth has become the place where so many of those mutated
lil' fish choose to spawn. Even though there's a Tax-Free Torture
Chamber on every stinking street corner over here in the US, they
still claim that their lives are in danger. They fail to understand
that their life is not in danger when they fail to spread their tripe
to the rest of the world.
I *really* don't know why they consider my freedom as a threat to
their moronic little fairy tale..I've never stumbled into one of their
pathetic local palaces and threatened anyone. Let them play, let them
pray. IMHO, the losers will get what they deserve.
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
I was going to ask WTF he/she meant..but the comment above is so weird
that I don't know where to start asking the question.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
Oh! *Now* I understand. This fool still thinks of atheism as a
*competitor* to his lame-***** `belief' in the ridiculous xian version
of the old Palistinian myth. Normally, I would laugh.
Then I realized that World War Three will be fought by people who are
stupid enough to swallow the various xian and muzzie "interpretations"
of the same worthless Palistinian myth. It makes me *very* angry..a
war that's been created by a `pissing contest' over who has the
biggest imaginary friend. IMO, nowdays it's a very small step from
being an atheist to being an anti-thiest. You idiots have brought it
upon yourselves.
Dang shame Bushyhead's war in Iraq is disquised by his corporate
friends' desire for oil. Otherwise, everyone would see that Bushyhead
is on the `Seventh Crusade'.
Herc
Rhymes with "Jerk".
Don't get too upset here. This guy is mentally unstable, as we've all
known for some time. He believes the Jim Carrey's movie "The Truman
Show" is real and that he is Truman. He honestly, genuinely, completely
believes this to be true and gets very angry when anyone questions his
sanity in the matter.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Panama Floyd" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
10 Aug 2003 11:05:18 PM |
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Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns93D17FBC8A2A1Mekkala@199.45.49.11>...
On 08 Aug 2003, (Panama Floyd) screwed up his face,
groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:1dc4029a.0308072224.7bb6b5c0@posting.google.com:
snippy!..
Don't get too upset here. This guy is mentally unstable, as we've all
known for some time. He believes the Jim Carrey's movie "The Truman
Show" is real and that he is Truman. He honestly, genuinely, completely
believes this to be true and gets very angry when anyone questions his
sanity in the matter.
`Ay, Mekk. How ya doin', man-o?
I guess it's my own fault for staying away from the group for so long.
It seems you don't know me.
I'm not really upset about that guy. It was just the first time I'd
seen him. I was just trying to get that clown to implode. Sometimes
they actually leave after one of us plays with them a lil' bit..<g>
Thanks for the info about his "Truman Show" fetish though..if my ol'
boat anchor of a computer (`95 Digital 133mhz Pentium I!) lives
through the summer, that might turn out to be fun!
Panama Floyd, Atlanta..posting from Goog again.
aa#2015, Official EAC Pace Car Driver.
Member of the Knights of BAAWA.
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| User: "George Ricker" |
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07 Aug 2003 08:43:35 AM |
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In article <vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>,
"|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
Are you really this stupid or do you just play an idiot on TV?
If no one believed in a god, then atheism would be irrelevant. However,
most of the people who believe in gods are not Christians. Worldwide,
Christianity claims the most followers - at least, according to most of
the numbers I've seen - but that percentage falls well short of being a
majority.
Atheists aren't in a competition with believers, and we aren't
interested in killing anyone because they don't agree with us. That's
the tried and true approach of god-believers of most, if not all,
descriptions. However, there's absolutely nothing implicit or explicit
in the words "I believe in no gods" that should lead any human being to
harm any other human being.
No, the chief difference between Christianity and atheism is that the
former is based on superstition and mythology and the latter isn't.
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George Ricker
The most accurate way to spell "one nation under 'God'" is T*H*E*O*C*R*A*C*Y.
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| User: "Xaonon" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between christianity and atheism |
10 Aug 2003 12:16:16 PM |
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Ned i bach <vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au>, |-|erc
<chess3@ozemail.com.au> teithant i thiw hin:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
No it won't. There would still be hundreds of other religions left.
--
Xaonon, EAC Chief of Mad Scientists and informal BAAWA, aa #1821, Kibo #: 1
Visit The Nexus Of All Coolness (i.e. my site) at http://xaonon.dyndns.org/
"To fill a world with religion... is like littering the streets with loaded
guns. Do not be surprised if they are used." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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07 Aug 2003 02:01:59 PM |
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On 06 Aug 2003, "|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full
conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
This is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. Atheism is a
lack of belief in God. You are saying that if there were no
theists, everyone would believe in God?
No, you're using the popular definition of an atheist as a person
at war with Christianity. That's an incorrect definition, and
generally only Christians who are so arrogant as to think the
world revolves around them ever use that definition.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I
suddenly realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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08 Aug 2003 09:11:54 PM |
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> thought hard and said:
No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no God.
No, you are an idiot. Atheism is simply the lack of god-belief.
--
-Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "juliekale" |
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08 Aug 2003 06:53:34 AM |
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"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93D08FFB7A0D1Mekkala@199.45.49.11...
On 06 Aug 2003, "|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full
conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
This is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. Atheism is a
lack of belief in God. You are saying that if there were no
theists, everyone would believe in God?
I think what he's saying is that if there were no theists, the word
"atheist" would be an irrelevant term.
--
Be as you are.
From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
www.juliekale.com
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| User: "Mekkala" |
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08 Aug 2003 09:46:51 AM |
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On 08 Aug 2003, "juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> screwed up
his face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:2bMYa.19722$qg3.1311208@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93D08FFB7A0D1Mekkala@199.45.49.11...
On 06 Aug 2003, "|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full
conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
This is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. Atheism is a
lack of belief in God. You are saying that if there were no
theists, everyone would believe in God?
I think what he's saying is that if there were no theists, the word
"atheist" would be an irrelevant term.
No, he said atheism would be destroyed if there were no theists. The
term, perhaps, would be irrelevant, but if there were no theists then
we would all be atheists, though we would not use that word since
there's no distinction to be made.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"When did I realize I was God? Well, I was praying and I suddenly
realized I was talking to myself!"
--Peter O'Toole.
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| User: "Barbara Walker" |
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08 Aug 2003 08:11:10 AM |
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
news:UcMYa.19724$qg3.1311611@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:w8AYa.60496$Oz4.15621@rwcrnsc54...
"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93D08FFB7A0D1Mekkala@199.45.49.11...
On 06 Aug 2003, "|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full
conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
This is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. Atheism is a
lack of belief in God.
No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no God.
Agnosticism is the position that the existance of god cannot be proven or
unproven.
Atheism is the position that there is no god.
Neither positions are based on "faith", at least not of the kind you seem
to
be alluding to here.
Your definitions in your first sentence are correct. However, you are in
error in your second sentence, because to KNOW there is "no God" would
require an exhaustive search of the entire universe so as to assure that God
is not hiding somewhere. And, of course, the ONLY one who is capable of
performing such an exhaustive search is God Himself. Thus the Atheist is
limited to his belief concerning God to be a FAITH belief, since he must
ASSUME there "no God" and lacks any sustainable proof that there is "no God"
.. Hence Atheism is indeed very much a faith belief.
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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08 Aug 2003 09:16:44 PM |
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> thought hard and said:
You're not an Atheist then.
Please explain to me why you would know what atheism is and is not.
--
-Kolle; 15 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, and Gustav Mahler are my Gods.
Madly Insane EAC Scientist.
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| User: "John Hattan" |
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09 Aug 2003 10:45:10 AM |
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Daniel Kolle <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> thought hard and said:
You're not an Atheist then.
Please explain to me why you would know what atheism is and is not.
"Because I say so" isn't good enough for you?
---
John Hattan Grand High UberPope - First Church of Shatnerology
john@thecodezone.com http://www.shatnerology.com
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| User: "juliekale" |
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08 Aug 2003 04:43:02 PM |
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no
God.
Agnosticism is the position that the existance of god cannot be
proven
or
unproven.
Atheism is the position that there is no god.
Neither positions are based on "faith", at least not of the kind you
seem
to
be alluding to here.
Your definitions in your first sentence are correct. However, you
are
in
error in your second sentence, because to KNOW there is "no God" would
require an exhaustive search of the entire universe so as to assure
that
God
is not hiding somewhere. And, of course, the ONLY one who is capable
of
performing such an exhaustive search is God Himself. Thus the
Atheist
is
limited to his belief concerning God to be a FAITH belief, since he
must
ASSUME there "no God" and lacks any sustainable proof that there is
"no
God"
. Hence Atheism is indeed very much a faith belief.
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no
god.
You're not an Atheist then.
Actually we are.
But that's okay. Sense you've already decided what an atheist must be, you
don't have to take my word for it.
--
Be as you are.
From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
www.juliekale.com
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 05:09:04 PM |
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juliekale <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
juliekale <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no
god.
You're not an Atheist then.
Actually we are.
But that's okay. Sense you've already decided what an atheist must be, you
don't have to take my word for it.
Shame shame. You're supposed to capitalize "atheist." Go stand in
the corner until Barbara tells you to come out.
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "juliekale" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
09 Aug 2003 12:23:55 AM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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juliekale <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in alt.atheism
Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
juliekale <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no
god.
You're not an Atheist then.
Actually we are.
But that's okay. Sense you've already decided what an atheist must be,
you
don't have to take my word for it.
Shame shame. You're supposed to capitalize "atheist." Go stand in
the corner until Barbara tells you to come out.
<sniffle>. ....do I have too? :(
--
Be as you are.
From alt.atheism only...Julie Kale (aa 1029)
www.juliekale.com
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 12:38:02 PM |
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Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
juliekale <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no god.
You're not an Atheist then.
I noticed you even capitalize the "A" just to cause more trouble.
You don't know what you're getting yourself into here.
Is an atheist spelled with a lower case "a" different to you than
one spelled with a capital A? I notice you used it in the middle of a
sentence, but still capitalized it. What's up with that?
Is a democrat different than a Democrat, except when used in
the middle of a sentence? What about a Liberal? Same thing?
Is there such thing as a Right-wing Republican atheist, or do all
atheists fall left of Center, in your opinion? And define Center
while you're at it, just so we can try to keep on the same page.
Looking forward to your reply,
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 02:24:10 PM |
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Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
juliekale <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no
god.
You're not an Atheist then.
I noticed you even capitalize the "A" just to cause more trouble.
Is an atheist spelled with a lower case "a" different to you than
one spelled with a capital A? I notice you used it in the middle of a
sentence, but still capitalized it. What's up with that?
Is a democrat different than a Democrat, except when used in
the middle of a sentence?
Both "Democrat" and "Atheist" are capitalized, because both represent
specific groups of believers. Similarly, words such as "Republican" and
"Christian" and "Jew" are also capitalized, for similar reasons.
So an Atheist who doesn't join any groups is really just an atheist?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Barbara Walker" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 02:30:33 PM |
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"Elroy Willis" <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
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Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
juliekale <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no
god.
You're not an Atheist then.
I noticed you even capitalize the "A" just to cause more trouble.
Is an atheist spelled with a lower case "a" different to you than
one spelled with a capital A? I notice you used it in the middle of a
sentence, but still capitalized it. What's up with that?
Is a democrat different than a Democrat, except when used in
the middle of a sentence?
Both "Democrat" and "Atheist" are capitalized, because both represent
specific groups of believers. Similarly, words such as "Republican"
and
"Christian" and "Jew" are also capitalized, for similar reasons.
So an Atheist who doesn't join any groups is really just an atheist?
No.
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| User: "Elroy Willis" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 04:42:22 PM |
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Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Elroy Willis <elo@airmail.net> wrote in message
Barbara Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in alt.atheism
Both "Democrat" and "Atheist" are capitalized, because both represent
specific groups of believers. Similarly, words such as "Republican"
and "Christian" and "Jew" are also capitalized, for similar reasons.
So an Atheist who doesn't join any groups is really just an atheist?
No.
Your claim is that it should always be capitalized, no matter where
it's used in a sentence?
--
Elroy Willis
EAP Chief Editor and Newshound
http://web2.airmail.net/~elo/news
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 03:19:46 PM |
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In article <080820031430232084%fnord2k@yahoo.com>, William Klee says...
In article <OjNYa.64810$Vt6.22674@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, Barbara
Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
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On 06 Aug 2003, "|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full
conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
This is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. Atheism is a
lack of belief in God.
No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no God.
Agnosticism is the position that the existance of god cannot be proven or
unproven.
Atheism is the position that there is no god.
Neither positions are based on "faith", at least not of the kind you seem
to
be alluding to here.
Your definitions in your first sentence are correct. However, you are in
error in your second sentence, because to KNOW there is "no God" would
require an exhaustive search of the entire universe so as to assure that God
is not hiding somewhere.
Not if you're claiming the existance of the christian god. Since this
particular specimen of god is supposed to be *everywhere*, I can look
for it *anywhere*. Of course, if you're claiming some other god, please
be so good as to define it, so we know what we're looking for.
The closest thing I've come to a god, anywhere I look, are the divine
twins, Norbert and Daggitt. (They're cats, BTW, so *they* think they're
gods, of course.)
Wait a sec - Aren't Norbert and Daggitt the Angry Beavers? :)
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 11:21:54 PM |
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In article <CBTYa.14936$cJ5.1405@www.newsranger.com>, Robibnikoff
<nospam@newsranger.com> wrote:
In article <080820031430232084%fnord2k@yahoo.com>, William Klee says...
In article <OjNYa.64810$Vt6.22674@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net>, Barbara
Walker <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93D08FFB7A0D1Mekkala@199.45.49.11...
On 06 Aug 2003, "|-|erc" <chess3@ozemail.com.au> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message
in news:vbhYa.25$cM5.1634@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au:
if one wins over the other, then atheism will end.
atheism will still be the main belief, and with
one single christian left atheism could still thrive
but when you convert, kill, crusify that last christian,
that's it! atheism dies with him.
where as chritianity thrives on the very idea of full
conversion,
if every person was a christian, chritianity would continue
to florish and atheism would be forgotten.
This is the most idiotic statement I've ever heard. Atheism is a
lack of belief in God.
No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no God.
Agnosticism is the position that the existance of god cannot be proven or
unproven.
Atheism is the position that there is no god.
Neither positions are based on "faith", at least not of the kind you seem
to
be alluding to here.
Your definitions in your first sentence are correct. However, you are in
error in your second sentence, because to KNOW there is "no God" would
require an exhaustive search of the entire universe so as to assure that
God
is not hiding somewhere.
Not if you're claiming the existance of the christian god. Since this
particular specimen of god is supposed to be *everywhere*, I can look
for it *anywhere*. Of course, if you're claiming some other god, please
be so good as to define it, so we know what we're looking for.
The closest thing I've come to a god, anywhere I look, are the divine
twins, Norbert and Daggitt. (They're cats, BTW, so *they* think they're
gods, of course.)
Wait a sec - Aren't Norbert and Daggitt the Angry Beavers? :)
Well, the names originate there... But *my* Norbert and Daggitt are the
*true* Norbert and Daggitt! Just ask them.
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
08 Aug 2003 02:31:43 PM |
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In article <9QQYa.65069$cF.21679@rwcrnsc53>, Barbara Walker
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no
God.
Agnosticism is the position that the existance of god cannot be proven
or
unproven.
Atheism is the position that there is no god.
Neither positions are based on "faith", at least not of the kind you
seem
to
be alluding to here.
Your definitions in your first sentence are correct. However, you are
in
error in your second sentence, because to KNOW there is "no God" would
require an exhaustive search of the entire universe so as to assure that
God
is not hiding somewhere. And, of course, the ONLY one who is capable
of
performing such an exhaustive search is God Himself. Thus the Atheist
is
limited to his belief concerning God to be a FAITH belief, since he must
ASSUME there "no God" and lacks any sustainable proof that there is "no
God"
. Hence Atheism is indeed very much a faith belief.
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no god.
You're not an Atheist then.
Oh? So *you're* the People's Commissar of Atheism, then?
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| User: "Michelle Malkin" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
10 Aug 2003 12:27:43 AM |
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On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:31:43 -0500, William Klee <fnord2k@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <9QQYa.65069$cF.21679@rwcrnsc53>, Barbara Walker
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no
God.
Agnosticism is the position that the existance of god cannot be proven
or
unproven.
Atheism is the position that there is no god.
Neither positions are based on "faith", at least not of the kind you
seem
to
be alluding to here.
Your definitions in your first sentence are correct. However, you are
in
error in your second sentence, because to KNOW there is "no God" would
require an exhaustive search of the entire universe so as to assure that
God
is not hiding somewhere. And, of course, the ONLY one who is capable
of
performing such an exhaustive search is God Himself. Thus the Atheist
is
limited to his belief concerning God to be a FAITH belief, since he must
ASSUME there "no God" and lacks any sustainable proof that there is "no
God"
. Hence Atheism is indeed very much a faith belief.
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no god.
You're not an Atheist then.
Oh? So *you're* the People's Commissar of Atheism, then?
Why not? She already believes that she is the dictionary
personified.
--
Michelle Malkin (Mickey)
http://questioner.www2.50megs.com
atheist/agnostic list ordainer
EAC Bible thumper thumper
BAAWA Knight who says SPONG!
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| User: "William Klee" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
10 Aug 2003 03:18:46 PM |
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In article <tslbjvo1f3slu66rgf0r5b6c1c0b89jj53@4ax.com>, Michelle
Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:31:43 -0500, William Klee <fnord2k@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <9QQYa.65069$cF.21679@rwcrnsc53>, Barbara Walker
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no
God.
Agnosticism is the position that the existance of god cannot be
proven
or
unproven.
Atheism is the position that there is no god.
Neither positions are based on "faith", at least not of the kind you
seem
to
be alluding to here.
Your definitions in your first sentence are correct. However, you are
in
error in your second sentence, because to KNOW there is "no God" would
require an exhaustive search of the entire universe so as to assure
that
God
is not hiding somewhere. And, of course, the ONLY one who is capable
of
performing such an exhaustive search is God Himself. Thus the Atheist
is
limited to his belief concerning God to be a FAITH belief, since he
must
ASSUME there "no God" and lacks any sustainable proof that there is "no
God"
. Hence Atheism is indeed very much a faith belief.
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no god.
You're not an Atheist then.
Oh? So *you're* the People's Commissar of Atheism, then?
Why not? She already believes that she is the dictionary
personified.
Does her "dictionary" contain the phrase "***** troll"?
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| User: "Rico" |
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| Title: Re: a difference between Christianity and atheism |
11 Aug 2003 10:34:02 AM |
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In article <100820031518467805%fnord2k@yahoo.com>, William Klee <fnord2k@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <tslbjvo1f3slu66rgf0r5b6c1c0b89jj53@4ax.com>, Michelle
Malkin <hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:31:43 -0500, William Klee <fnord2k@yahoo.com>
wrote:
In article <9QQYa.65069$cF.21679@rwcrnsc53>, Barbara Walker
<barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote:
"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
news:pSNYa.19752$qg3.1327123@twister.tampabay.rr.com...
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"juliekale" <me[spammenot]@juliekale.com> wrote in message
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"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message
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<snip>
No, that's Agnosticism. Atheism is the faith belief there is no
God.
Agnosticism is the position that the existance of god cannot be
proven
or
unproven.
Atheism is the position that there is no god.
Neither positions are based on "faith", at least not of the kind you
seem
to
be alluding to here.
Your definitions in your first sentence are correct. However, you
are
in
error in your second sentence, because to KNOW there is "no God" would
require an exhaustive search of the entire universe so as to assure
that
God
is not hiding somewhere. And, of course, the ONLY one who is capable
of
performing such an exhaustive search is God Himself. Thus the
Atheist
is
limited to his belief concerning God to be a FAITH belief, since he
must
ASSUME there "no God" and lacks any sustainable proof that there is
"no
God"
. Hence Atheism is indeed very much a faith belief.
Sigh. Let's try again. :)
Atheists (most of us anyway), don't claim to "KNOW" that there is no
god.
You're not an Atheist then.
Oh? So *you're* the People's Commissar of Atheism, then?
Why not? She already believes that she is the dictionary
personified.
Does her "dictionary" contain the phrase "***** troll"?
her is a he
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