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"Michael Ejercito" |
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13 Oct 2006 12:19:59 PM |
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A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
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Here is a quote from a forum thread a couple of months ago:
"Ok, I going to throw a wrench in here.
As for abortion...I was on a missions trip to Nicaragua when this
happened...a young girl was walking to the store for her mother, she
was 11 at the time. A man assaulted and raped her. She got pregnent.
The doctors said she was too under developed physically to give birth
and live. Toward the end of the trip, we heard on the news the abortion
was decided. For once I understood there are grey areas. This girl
would have died had she carried the child to term. Why would you punish
her for going to the store for her mother? The baby may have survived
with no mom, no dad. Think of all the psycological effects. Knowing in
9 months you are surely going die come on."
Now here is the response.
"How about trusting in God to see her through and heal her? Maybe God
wouldn't have, but hats not the point. My friend, the presence of life
is the will of God. What happens on earth is not as important as
eternity.
The situation is sad, but that does not make it less wrong. It just
makes it all the more unfortunate.
Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong, period."
If rape results in death, it is capital murder. So, does an
eleven-year-old rape victim have a duty to submit to murder to deliver
the rapist's baby?
Michael
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| User: "Bush the War Criminal" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
13 Oct 2006 01:39:29 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here is a quote from a forum thread a couple of months ago:
"Ok, I going to throw a wrench in here.
As for abortion...I was on a missions trip to Nicaragua when this
happened...a young girl was walking to the store for her mother, she
was 11 at the time. A man assaulted and raped her. She got pregnent.
The doctors said she was too under developed physically to give birth
and live. Toward the end of the trip, we heard on the news the abortion
was decided. For once I understood there are grey areas. This girl
would have died had she carried the child to term. Why would you punish
her for going to the store for her mother? The baby may have survived
with no mom, no dad. Think of all the psycological effects. Knowing in
9 months you are surely going die come on."
Now here is the response.
"How about trusting in God to see her through and heal her? Maybe God
wouldn't have, but hats not the point. My friend, the presence of life
is the will of God. What happens on earth is not as important as
eternity.
The situation is sad, but that does not make it less wrong. It just
makes it all the more unfortunate.
Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong, period."
If rape results in death, it is capital murder. So, does an
eleven-year-old rape victim have a duty to submit to murder to deliver
the rapist's baby?
That's the twisted logic of KKKristian KKKonservatives.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
13 Oct 2006 01:09:27 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Here is a quote from a forum thread a couple of months ago:
"Ok, I going to throw a wrench in here.
As for abortion...I was on a missions trip to Nicaragua when this
happened...a young girl was walking to the store for her mother, she
was 11 at the time. A man assaulted and raped her. She got pregnent.
The doctors said she was too under developed physically to give birth
and live. Toward the end of the trip, we heard on the news the abortion
was decided. For once I understood there are grey areas. This girl
would have died had she carried the child to term. Why would you punish
her for going to the store for her mother? The baby may have survived
with no mom, no dad. Think of all the psycological effects. Knowing in
9 months you are surely going die come on."
Now here is the response.
"How about trusting in God to see her through and heal her? Maybe God
wouldn't have, but hats not the point. My friend, the presence of life
is the will of God. What happens on earth is not as important as
eternity.
The situation is sad, but that does not make it less wrong. It just
makes it all the more unfortunate.
Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong, period."
If rape results in death, it is capital murder. So, does an
eleven-year-old rape victim have a duty to submit to murder to deliver
the rapist's baby?
If you remove the god character from the equation, the solution is simple.
Human empathy and an abortion will save the 11 year old.
Grey area my *****.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http//www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "Amy Likes Pot!" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
14 Oct 2006 12:42:57 PM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
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stpagesent=17&Mytoken=40142A23-D62C-48EB-94BF83C866E187D164434032
Here is a quote from a forum thread a couple of months ago:
"Ok, I going to throw a wrench in here.
As for abortion...I was on a missions trip to Nicaragua when this
happened...a young girl was walking to the store for her mother, she
was 11 at the time. A man assaulted and raped her. She got pregnent.
The doctors said she was too under developed physically to give birth
and live. Toward the end of the trip, we heard on the news the abortion
was decided. For once I understood there are grey areas. This girl
would have died had she carried the child to term. Why would you punish
her for going to the store for her mother? The baby may have survived
with no mom, no dad. Think of all the psycological effects. Knowing in
9 months you are surely going die come on."
Now here is the response.
"How about trusting in God to see her through and heal her? Maybe God
wouldn't have, but hats not the point. My friend, the presence of life
is the will of God. What happens on earth is not as important as
eternity.
The situation is sad, but that does not make it less wrong. It just
makes it all the more unfortunate.
I would like to see this person's response if it was THEIR 11-year-old
daughter.
Wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong is wrong, period."
If rape results in death, it is capital murder. So, does an
eleven-year-old rape victim have a duty to submit to murder to deliver
the rapist's baby?
Michael
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| User: "Shawn Hirn" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
13 Oct 2006 08:55:59 PM |
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In article <1160759999.717993.196760@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
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100021339&page=18&EntryID=14230818&CategoryID=0&get=1&adTopicId=0&lastpagesent
=17&Mytoken=40142A23-D62C-48EB-94BF83C866E187D164434032
Here is a quote from a forum thread a couple of months ago:
"Ok, I going to throw a wrench in here.
As for abortion...I was on a missions trip to Nicaragua when this
happened...a young girl was walking to the store for her mother, she
was 11 at the time. A man assaulted and raped her. She got pregnent.
The doctors said she was too under developed physically to give birth
and live. Toward the end of the trip, we heard on the news the abortion
was decided. For once I understood there are grey areas. This girl
would have died had she carried the child to term. Why would you punish
her for going to the store for her mother? The baby may have survived
with no mom, no dad. Think of all the psycological effects. Knowing in
9 months you are surely going die come on."
Now here is the response.
"How about trusting in God to see her through and heal her?
How about letting the girl and her parents decide if they trust in God?
I remind you that this so called God allowed this 11 yo girl to be raped
and He allowed a fetus to be conceived out of this rape. Seems like a
hateful God to me.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
14 Oct 2006 11:22:51 AM |
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Shawn Hirn wrote:
In article <1160759999.717993.196760@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
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http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=
100021339&page=18&EntryID=14230818&CategoryID=0&get=1&adTopicId=0&lastpagesent
=17&Mytoken=40142A23-D62C-48EB-94BF83C866E187D164434032
Here is a quote from a forum thread a couple of months ago:
"Ok, I going to throw a wrench in here.
As for abortion...I was on a missions trip to Nicaragua when this
happened...a young girl was walking to the store for her mother, she
was 11 at the time. A man assaulted and raped her. She got pregnent.
The doctors said she was too under developed physically to give birth
and live. Toward the end of the trip, we heard on the news the abortion
was decided. For once I understood there are grey areas. This girl
would have died had she carried the child to term. Why would you punish
her for going to the store for her mother? The baby may have survived
with no mom, no dad. Think of all the psycological effects. Knowing in
9 months you are surely going die come on."
Now here is the response.
"How about trusting in God to see her through and heal her?
How about letting the girl and her parents decide if they trust in God?
I remind you that this so called God allowed this 11 yo girl to be raped
and He allowed a fetus to be conceived out of this rape. Seems like a
hateful God to me.
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
Michael
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
16 Oct 2006 10:46:19 AM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
17 Oct 2006 12:42:50 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Michael
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Oct 2006 08:43:58 AM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
17 Oct 2006 10:26:53 AM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
Michael
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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17 Oct 2006 11:03:03 AM |
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"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161098813.867187.297680@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
Yeah, whatever. You're a fool - PLONK!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
18 Oct 2006 12:23:49 PM |
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In article <1161098813.867187.297680@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
The Cosmic Buck stops somewhere else?
If God has total power and knowledge, then He also has
total responsibility. In this case, the god you
describe would have known full well that your hyopthetical
"someone else" would fail to intervene, and yet your god
let things proceed anyhow.
-- cary
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
19 Oct 2006 12:39:27 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1161098813.867187.297680@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
The Cosmic Buck stops somewhere else?
On Earth, the buck stops with humanity.
If God has total power and knowledge, then He also has
total responsibility. In this case, the god you
describe would have known full well that your hyopthetical
"someone else" would fail to intervene, and yet your god
let things proceed anyhow.
It is not His duty to stop things from proceeding.
Michael
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
19 Oct 2006 12:49:55 PM |
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In article <1161279567.753917.7300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1161098813.867187.297680@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
The Cosmic Buck stops somewhere else?
On Earth, the buck stops with humanity.
If God has total power and knowledge, then He also has
total responsibility. In this case, the god you
describe would have known full well that your hyopthetical
"someone else" would fail to intervene, and yet your god
let things proceed anyhow.
It is not His duty to stop things from proceeding.
Ah. So: with ultimate power comes zero responsibility.
-- cary
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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19 Oct 2006 12:54:33 PM |
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In article <1161279567.753917.7300@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1161098813.867187.297680@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
The Cosmic Buck stops somewhere else?
On Earth, the buck stops with humanity.
If God has total power and knowledge, then He also has
total responsibility. In this case, the god you
describe would have known full well that your hyopthetical
"someone else" would fail to intervene, and yet your god
let things proceed anyhow.
It is not His duty to stop things from proceeding.
You know, I'd bet the ghosts of the hundreds of thousands
of men, women, and babies -- not to mention those of
millions upon millions of animals -- drowned in the
Noachian Flood might dispute that viewpoint.
You might want to take your stand on the ruined tower
in Babel to make your pitch to them.
-- cary
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
18 Oct 2006 02:13:27 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 08:26:53 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
Michael
According to your stupid ***** religion, your evil monster God is
responsible for every thing. The only way to excuse his stupid evil is
if he doesn't exist. And no God could possibly be that evil. So God is
the creation of evil men.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
19 Oct 2006 12:41:03 PM |
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Robert wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 08:26:53 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
Michael
According to your stupid ***** religion, your evil monster God is
responsible for every thing.
My God gave this world as a gift to humanity.
Michael
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
19 Oct 2006 07:08:48 PM |
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On 19 Oct 2006 10:41:03 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 08:26:53 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161063770.699294.65290@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Why would your god want it to happen?
Maybe it is not His business to stop it from happening. Maybe
someone else has the responsibility to stop this from happening.
Michael
According to your stupid ***** religion, your evil monster God is
responsible for every thing.
My God gave this world as a gift to humanity.
Your God is the product of a bunch of goat fucking sand niggers, in
what is now the near east. Iraq, Iran,Saudi Arabia and the ***** hole of
the earth Jerusalem.
Michael
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| User: "Robert" |
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17 Oct 2006 11:30:09 AM |
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On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
Best answer there is no God. Only con men with a slick, sick scam and
a bunch of dupes.
Michael
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
17 Oct 2006 10:26:01 AM |
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Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Michael
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
18 Oct 2006 12:26:17 PM |
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In article <1161098761.745010.77340@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Power, and not benevolence, is what makes a thing worthy of adoration?
Going by the magnitude of the struggle predicted in Revelation
that it will take for your god to prevail, Satan seems almost
as powerful. Does this imply that Satan almost as worthy
of worship as god.
And if the prediction turned out to have been wrong, and
Satan prevails over God, would you then turn to Satan
as being worthy of worship?
-- cary
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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19 Oct 2006 12:37:54 PM |
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Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1161098761.745010.77340@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Power, and not benevolence, is what makes a thing worthy of adoration?
That is correct.
Going by the magnitude of the struggle predicted in Revelation
that it will take for your god to prevail, Satan seems almost
as powerful. Does this imply that Satan almost as worthy
of worship as god.
No, it implies Satan is NOT worthy of worship, because God is more
powerful than him.
And if the prediction turned out to have been wrong, and
Satan prevails over God, would you then turn to Satan
as being worthy of worship?
Satan can not defeat Giod, no matter how you wish it.
Michael
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
19 Oct 2006 12:52:40 PM |
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In article <1161279474.494114.326080@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1161098761.745010.77340@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Power, and not benevolence, is what makes a thing worthy of adoration?
That is correct.
Power, and not benevolence, is indeed what makes a thing worthy of
adoration...Fascinating.
You know, although absolute totalitarianism seems pretty much to
have gone out of style over the last half-century, they do still seem
to have a fine old-fashioned Cult of the Absolute Leader over
there in North Korea. Interested?
--cary
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| User: "Robert" |
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19 Oct 2006 07:20:15 PM |
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On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:52:40 +0000 (UTC),
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1161279474.494114.326080@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Cary Kittrell wrote:
In article <1161098761.745010.77340@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com> "Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> writes:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Power, and not benevolence, is what makes a thing worthy of adoration?
That is correct.
Power, and not benevolence, is indeed what makes a thing worthy of
adoration...Fascinating.
You know, although absolute totalitarianism seems pretty much to
have gone out of style over the last half-century, they do still seem
to have a fine old-fashioned Cult of the Absolute Leader over
there in North Korea. Interested?
--cary
For a rather large group we have the same thing here in the U.S.
With the RRR Dear Leader, the Shrubster.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
18 Oct 2006 07:00:56 AM |
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Michael Ejercito wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Any entity deserving of worship would not accept it still less demand it.
Any entity with the power to prevent great suffering but who declines to
use that power is not deserving of respect let alone worship. If you saw
a police officer watch a girl get raped you would rightly demand that
they be punished for failing to stop the rape. If your own father stood
idly by while a man raped a child you would be horrified. And yet
billions of people will boldly state that their god has the power to do
anything and yet he is not responsible for evil actions he could, by
their own claims, easily prevent.
Such people give their god credit for tinkering with the laws of physics
and causality on a daily basis and yet at the same time allow him to get
off the hook of responsibility for everything that happens which has bad
consequences including but not limited to those actions which some laws
and contracts even refer to as "Acts of God". If a helicopter piloted by
an agnostic winches down an atheist to pluck a Christian out of the sea
that is something they can thank their god for but if anybody suggests
that the storm that lead to him being in the sea was the fault of God
they will not hear of it. Bad things are caused by man or the Devil.
Good things are caused by God, with no exceptions. Heads God is Great,
tails Man is a wretched sinner, praise God.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Harry F. Leopold" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
18 Oct 2006 11:46:53 AM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:00:56 -0500, Martin Willett wrote
(in article <4pmjbtFj9v7mU1@individual.net>):
Michael Ejercito wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
So, it seems that Michael grovels to a tyrant. This is not very pretty, in
fact it is damned ugly and dehumanizing.
Any entity deserving of worship would not accept it still less demand it.
Yup.
Any entity with the power to prevent great suffering but who declines to
use that power is not deserving of respect let alone worship. If you saw
a police officer watch a girl get raped you would rightly demand that
they be punished for failing to stop the rape. If your own father stood
idly by while a man raped a child you would be horrified. And yet
billions of people will boldly state that their god has the power to do
anything and yet he is not responsible for evil actions he could, by
their own claims, easily prevent.
But Michael's god could wipe him out, make it like Michael had never existed
at all. This terrorizes Michael. Michael, it seems, is an abject coward.
Such people give their god credit for tinkering with the laws of physics
and causality on a daily basis and yet at the same time allow him to get
off the hook of responsibility for everything that happens which has bad
consequences including but not limited to those actions which some laws
and contracts even refer to as "Acts of God". If a helicopter piloted by
an agnostic winches down an atheist to pluck a Christian out of the sea
that is something they can thank their god for but if anybody suggests
that the storm that lead to him being in the sea was the fault of God
they will not hear of it. Bad things are caused by man or the Devil.
Good things are caused by God, with no exceptions. Heads God is Great,
tails Man is a wretched sinner, praise God.
Their god can wipe them out forever, make them never have existed at all. Or
toss them into hell forever on a whim. They dare not blame him for anything
at all.
(Posted only to alt.atheism)
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
Cthulhu saves souls and redeems them for valuable coupons later.
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| User: "Robert" |
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18 Oct 2006 02:42:13 PM |
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On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:00:56 +0100, Martin Willett
<mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Any entity deserving of worship would not accept it still less demand it.
Any entity with the power to prevent great suffering but who declines to
use that power is not deserving of respect let alone worship. If you saw
a police officer watch a girl get raped you would rightly demand that
they be punished for failing to stop the rape. If your own father stood
idly by while a man raped a child you would be horrified. And yet
billions of people will boldly state that their god has the power to do
anything and yet he is not responsible for evil actions he could, by
their own claims, easily prevent.
Such people give their god credit for tinkering with the laws of physics
and causality on a daily basis and yet at the same time allow him to get
off the hook of responsibility for everything that happens which has bad
consequences including but not limited to those actions which some laws
and contracts even refer to as "Acts of God". If a helicopter piloted by
an agnostic winches down an atheist to pluck a Christian out of the sea
that is something they can thank their god for but if anybody suggests
that the storm that lead to him being in the sea was the fault of God
they will not hear of it. Bad things are caused by man or the Devil.
Good things are caused by God, with no exceptions. Heads God is Great,
tails Man is a wretched sinner, praise God.
Sounds like an atheist.
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
19 Oct 2006 01:03:34 PM |
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Robert wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:00:56 +0100, Martin Willett
<mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Any entity deserving of worship would not accept it still less demand it.
Any entity with the power to prevent great suffering but who declines to
use that power is not deserving of respect let alone worship. If you saw
a police officer watch a girl get raped you would rightly demand that
they be punished for failing to stop the rape. If your own father stood
idly by while a man raped a child you would be horrified. And yet
billions of people will boldly state that their god has the power to do
anything and yet he is not responsible for evil actions he could, by
their own claims, easily prevent.
Such people give their god credit for tinkering with the laws of physics
and causality on a daily basis and yet at the same time allow him to get
off the hook of responsibility for everything that happens which has bad
consequences including but not limited to those actions which some laws
and contracts even refer to as "Acts of God". If a helicopter piloted by
an agnostic winches down an atheist to pluck a Christian out of the sea
that is something they can thank their god for but if anybody suggests
that the storm that lead to him being in the sea was the fault of God
they will not hear of it. Bad things are caused by man or the Devil.
Good things are caused by God, with no exceptions. Heads God is Great,
tails Man is a wretched sinner, praise God.
Sounds like an atheist.
well duh. I'm not exactly hiding that from anybody.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
18 Oct 2006 02:10:13 PM |
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On 17 Oct 2006 08:26:01 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Michael
I don't care how much power a evil mother fucker has, I will not
worship evil. And the God described by Christians, Jews and Muslims.
The God of Abraham is one more evil *****. The worst the *****
hole can do is kill me, and I am going to die any way. So ***** your
stupid ***** religion and your ***** hole God.
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| User: "Michael Ejercito" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
19 Oct 2006 12:43:36 PM |
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Robert wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 08:26:01 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Michael
I don't care how much power a evil mother fucker has, I will not
worship evil. And the God described by Christians, Jews and Muslims.
The God of Abraham is one more evil *****. The worst the *****
hole can do is kill me, and I am going to die any way. So ***** your
stupid ***** religion and your ***** hole God.
You should consider yourself fortunate that you did not say this
blasphemy in Israel.
Michael
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| User: "Robert" |
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| Title: Re: A Duty to Submit to Murder? |
19 Oct 2006 07:17:11 PM |
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On 19 Oct 2006 10:43:36 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 17 Oct 2006 08:26:01 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robert wrote:
On 16 Oct 2006 22:42:50 -0700, "Michael Ejercito"
<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote:
Robibnikoff wrote:
"Michael Ejercito" <mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip
It was the rapist who was hateful.
It was the rapist who committed a hate crime against a virgin.
And your god that allowed it to happen.
So what? Did He promise to prevent such a thing from happening?
Nope, and appears to be unable to prevent it. So God is either a
ineffective, or doesn't care. If incapable of preventing is not
powerful, if capable but doesn't care is not worthy of worship.
It is His absolute power, not His care, that deems Him worthy of
worship.
Michael
I don't care how much power a evil mother fucker has, I will not
worship evil. And the God described by Christians, Jews and Muslims.
The God of Abraham is one more evil *****. The worst the *****
hole can do is kill me, and I am going to die any way. So ***** your
stupid ***** religion and your ***** hole God.
You should consider yourself fortunate that you did not say this
blasphemy in Israel.
Not to worry there is no way I would go to Israel. The worst place
in the world. A cancer that need a massive dose of radiation.
Michael
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