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User: "maff"
Date: 10 Dec 2003 07:32:54 AM
Object: A farewell -- and a recommendation
A farewell -- and a recommendation
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____and_a_recommendation/
By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003
Several weeks ago, The New York Times asked in the headline of its
Tuesday science section, "Does Science Matter?", then spent 16 pages
suggesting an answer: Indeed it does, more than ever.
But the Times also noted that this conclusion is not necessarily that
of the American public. The prestige of scientists is declining.
Religious fundamentalism and belief in the paranormal is on the rise.
Reflecting this national mood, the government provides fewer dollars
for scientific research.
Chet Raymo
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User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 10 Dec 2003 07:59:52 AM
In talk.origins I read this message from

(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____and_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003

I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.
[snip]
.
User: "John Hearsey"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 10 Dec 2003 01:51:40 PM
In article <it9etv4n8ceva3acraabbsodnahshi2njb@4ax.com>,
matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom says...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____and_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


I've got a filter that removes posts after all the other posts have been
downloaded so the only way I get to see his endless mountain of posts is
if I happen to look at the group before its completed the downloading of
posts.
When I noticed this subject I though 'Yes I can finally put the filter
settings back to normal' Oh well maybe an asteroid will hit wherever the
posts originate from.
--
John Hearsey
aa1886
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User: "Susan S"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 10 Dec 2003 12:27:08 PM
In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____and_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]

Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.
Susan Silberstein
"A watched pot always boils." Data, ST:TNG
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User: "Mekkala"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 10 Dec 2003 01:07:52 PM
On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.

It was a good article, though.
Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.
--
Mekkala, Atheist #2148
"Atheism is ... the bed-rock of sanity in a world of madness."
--Emmett F. Fields
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User: "R. Baldwin"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 10 Dec 2003 11:54:27 PM
"Mekkala" <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns944D866E952FFMekkala@199.45.49.11...

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up

his

face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation


http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was

swamping

my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the

on-topic

posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about

it,

just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.

The killfile would actually work if folks would stop responding to
him.
Oh, wait...
.

User: "Russ Holsclaw"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 10 Dec 2003 07:01:23 PM

Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a

while I could

delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he

was swamping

my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half

the on-topic

posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he

never, ever

discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread

after thread

after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in

talking about it,

just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news

articles as he

possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or

something.

Almost sad.

I know just what you folks mean. The articles linked-to are
often interesting, although often badly off-topic for the
NG. It would be great material for a "blog" site. Once I
suggested to him that, instead of using the NG in this way
that he shift his activities to a proper blogging site. His
response was extremely rude. Actually, if he DID run a blog,
I'd probably bookmark it and return there often, because he
finds some interesting stuff. But I don't think he should be
cluttering up a newsgroup with it. ANY newsgroup. It just
gets in the way. I'm especially annoyed by the links that
only do a Google search on some obvious word or phrase, with
no clue as to specifically what he might be trying to direct
our attention to. A complete waste of time, IMO.
I suppose he's trying to plant seeds for discussions, but
discussions rarely get going, and when they do, "maff"
doesn't participate, except to add a few more links on a
topic, from time to time.
It's strictly a one-way street. OK, fine. That's what blogs
are for, it seems to me. Newsgroups are for dialogs, blogs
are for monologues.
I haven't taken the step of plonking him, though. As I said,
he often finds interesting stuff, but this just isn't the
right forum for it.
.
User: "sharon"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 11 Dec 2003 01:11:46 AM
:)
I could use Maff for filling up the fundy anon directory.
We're starting to get visitors there at times.
If he'll only be willing to do it though.
Maff, if you're reading --- consider sometime using your talent and gift at
digging up URLs / Articles on specific subjects and working in our
directory. It needs farrrr more articles contributed in it. i.e, I found 14
good rebuttal websites to list under "Jehovah Witnesses"... but I'm so short
of time, I haven't been able to work on it like I want to. Those URLs you
gave months ago, I put them into the Hypatia of Alexandria article, which
gets many visitors... thanks for those. Please consider helping us sometime.
*smile*. We need the help. Linking to testimonies of deconversion (like the
ones on Secular Web I still haven't got around to for lack of time, and all
the stuff Steve Locks has collected on Leaving Christianity), linking to
Creation/Evolution articles, Biblical Errancy, etc etc etc etc on the
overwhelming amount of stuff that hasn't been done --- PLEASE consider
helping us build that directory... people are starting to show up at that
directory -- and there's not much in it yet. (Very embarrassing -- but I'm
trying to run 7 websites, and in the process of building 50 more.)
http://fundamentalists-anonymous.us/FundamentalistAnon
We need you Maff.
.
User: "sharon"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 11 Dec 2003 01:52:43 AM


We need you Maff.


The webhost-people are doing maintenance on the webserver right now -- so
the URL below doesn't work at this moment in time - - it's suppose to be
back up and running at 4 a.m. Mountain Time / Today they said in the
email... I had even tried to email Maff a week or two ago -- so speak of the
devil.
If you guys don't want him -- I sure do. *laughs*...
Anyway --- speaking of Jehovah Witnesses --- I got in a debate with one
recently, and he posted about the 1914 date of Satan falling from heaven. He
gave all the reasons how this date was figured.
Then Ed wrote about a book sold at Amazon I suppose:

4) The Gentile Times Reconsidered: Chronology & Christ's Return by Carl

Olof Jonsson (Introduction) (Paperback - July 1998) An extremely important
work that goes into the history of the Watchtower's 1914 Chronology. Was
Jerusalem really destroyed in 607 like the Society says? Or was it
586/587, like all historians say?
My brother gave me another good resource on the web, in case any Jehovah
Witnesses ever discuss this "prophecy fulfilled" in 1914 -
Written by a former Jehovah Witness if I'm not mistaken...
Time of the Gentiles and 1914
http://www.geocities.com/osarsif/gentile1.htm
A URL somebody might want to keep around, in case they're in a discussion
with a Jehovah Witness. (My sister is one).
Summary of evidence against 607 B.C. for the destruction of Jerusalem
The November 1, 1986 Watchtower stated on page 6 that "in 1981 Jehovah's
Witnesses published convincing evidence in support of the 607 B.C.E. date.
('Let Your Kingdom Come,' pages 127-40, 186-9)" This book, which we will
refer to as KC, used secular historical evidence to establish the key date
of the Society's chronology: "Historians calculate that Babylon fell in
early October of the year 539 B.C.E." (p. 136). Nevertheless, the book set
up a dichotomy between "secular records" and the Bible:
------------

:)

I could use Maff for filling up the fundy anon directory.
We're starting to get visitors there at times.
If he'll only be willing to do it though.

Maff, if you're reading --- consider sometime using your talent and gift

at

digging up URLs / Articles on specific subjects and working in our
directory. It needs farrrr more articles contributed in it. i.e, I found

14

good rebuttal websites to list under "Jehovah Witnesses"... but I'm so

short

of time, I haven't been able to work on it like I want to. Those URLs you
gave months ago, I put them into the Hypatia of Alexandria article, which
gets many visitors... thanks for those. Please consider helping us

sometime.

*smile*. We need the help. Linking to testimonies of deconversion (like

the

ones on Secular Web I still haven't got around to for lack of time, and

all

the stuff Steve Locks has collected on Leaving Christianity), linking to
Creation/Evolution articles, Biblical Errancy, etc etc etc etc on the
overwhelming amount of stuff that hasn't been done --- PLEASE consider
helping us build that directory... people are starting to show up at that
directory -- and there's not much in it yet. (Very embarrassing -- but I'm
trying to run 7 websites, and in the process of building 50 more.)

http://fundamentalists-anonymous.us/FundamentalistAnon

We need you Maff.


.



User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 10 Dec 2003 03:56:39 PM
In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.

He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.
.
User: "maff"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 11 Dec 2003 10:15:33 AM
Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.

Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 11 Dec 2003 03:26:40 PM
In talk.origins I read this message from

(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.


Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?

I admit nothing, I want the trial. Send me the tickets.
.
User: "maff"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 12 Dec 2003 05:11:18 AM
Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<agohtvkomh7pa28umkqgmo5odvp5e937pi@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.


Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?


I admit nothing, I want the trial. Send me the tickets.

Are you protecting the Likudnik fascist high command? The local police
and grand juries are the ones who'll nab you first.
.
User: "Mitchell Coffey"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 12 Dec 2003 12:35:22 PM
(maff) wrote in message news:<18510aff.0312120315.594d49bd@posting.google.com>...

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<agohtvkomh7pa28umkqgmo5odvp5e937pi@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.


Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?


I admit nothing, I want the trial. Send me the tickets.


Are you protecting the Likudnik fascist high command? The local police
and grand juries are the ones who'll nab you first.

There is some dispute as to whether you actually believe your paranoid
claims. In any case, you appear to be incapable of constructing a
reasoned argument, relying almost entirely on name calling, innuendo
and non sequiturs. Please respond with an attempt to prove me wrong.
Mitchell Coffey
.

User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 12 Dec 2003 07:30:58 AM
In talk.origins I read this message from

(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<agohtvkomh7pa28umkqgmo5odvp5e937pi@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.


Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?


I admit nothing, I want the trial. Send me the tickets.


Are you protecting the Likudnik fascist high command? The local police
and grand juries are the ones who'll nab you first.

Yes, I am the one protecting them. Get my name to my local police
( http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/ 1-800-577-TIPS or
646-610-5000 or http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mailnypd.html
for email) and DA (http://www.manhattanda.org/hp_flash.htm,
(212) 335-9000 or (212) 335-8900). I would prefer to get the
trip to Belgium, but it would be so cool to defend my fellow
Likudnik Fascist High Command members before the grand jury. I
admit everything, everything.
.
User: "maff"

Title: OT: Likudnik fascists 12 Dec 2003 02:56:00 PM
Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<7igjtv4u16qhtnd8d849e5cvckdf70ogj0@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<agohtvkomh7pa28umkqgmo5odvp5e937pi@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.


Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?


I admit nothing, I want the trial. Send me the tickets.


Are you protecting the Likudnik fascist high command? The local police
and grand juries are the ones who'll nab you first.


Yes, I am the one protecting them. Get my name to my local police
( http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/ 1-800-577-TIPS or
646-610-5000 or http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mailnypd.html
for email) and DA (http://www.manhattanda.org/hp_flash.htm,
(212) 335-9000 or (212) 335-8900). I would prefer to get the
trip to Belgium, but it would be so cool to defend my fellow
Likudnik Fascist High Command members before the grand jury. I
admit everything, everything.

It's the evidence which determines anything. Punishment usally
trickles from top down.
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: OT: Likudnik fascists 12 Dec 2003 03:40:32 PM
In talk.origins I read this message from

(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<7igjtv4u16qhtnd8d849e5cvckdf70ogj0@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<agohtvkomh7pa28umkqgmo5odvp5e937pi@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.


Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?


I admit nothing, I want the trial. Send me the tickets.


Are you protecting the Likudnik fascist high command? The local police
and grand juries are the ones who'll nab you first.


Yes, I am the one protecting them. Get my name to my local police
( http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/ 1-800-577-TIPS or
646-610-5000 or http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mailnypd.html
for email) and DA (http://www.manhattanda.org/hp_flash.htm,
(212) 335-9000 or (212) 335-8900). I would prefer to get the
trip to Belgium, but it would be so cool to defend my fellow
Likudnik Fascist High Command members before the grand jury. I
admit everything, everything.


It's the evidence which determines anything. Punishment usally
trickles from top down.

Ok, so what evidence is there? If you don't take my confession,
and you make the accusation, then you must have some evidence
that I am protecting the Likudnik Fascist High Command. You were
the one who said I was going to get tried for crimes against
humanity. Are you now saying you have no evidence? With your vast
knowledge of google searches you can't find anything? How sad.
BTW, what made you label this, of all threads, off topic? Most of
the threads you start are off topic for this group.
.
User: "rich hammett"

Title: Re: OT: Likudnik fascists 12 Dec 2003 08:46:24 PM
In talk.origins Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<7igjtv4u16qhtnd8d849e5cvckdf70ogj0@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<agohtvkomh7pa28umkqgmo5odvp5e937pi@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.


Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?


I admit nothing, I want the trial. Send me the tickets.


Are you protecting the Likudnik fascist high command? The local police
and grand juries are the ones who'll nab you first.


Yes, I am the one protecting them. Get my name to my local police
( http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/ 1-800-577-TIPS or
646-610-5000 or http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mailnypd.html
for email) and DA (http://www.manhattanda.org/hp_flash.htm,
(212) 335-9000 or (212) 335-8900). I would prefer to get the
trip to Belgium, but it would be so cool to defend my fellow
Likudnik Fascist High Command members before the grand jury. I
admit everything, everything.


It's the evidence which determines anything. Punishment usally
trickles from top down.

Ok, so what evidence is there? If you don't take my confession,
and you make the accusation, then you must have some evidence
that I am protecting the Likudnik Fascist High Command. You were
the one who said I was going to get tried for crimes against
humanity. Are you now saying you have no evidence? With your vast
knowledge of google searches you can't find anything? How sad.

You are supporting the Likudnik fascist like all Israelis, Matt.
Didn't you see the poll about Sharon today? 99% of Israelis
(and by extension world Jews) think that Sharon has never
told a lie. I think that's what it said. I'm pretty sure.
rich

BTW, what made you label this, of all threads, off topic? Most of
the threads you start are off topic for this group.

--
-to reply, it's hot not warm
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
\ Rich Hammett http://home.hiwaay.net/~rhammett
/ "Better the pride that resides in a citizen of the world;
\ than the pride that divides
/ when a colorful rag is unfurled."
.
User: "Matt Silberstein"

Title: Re: OT: Likudnik fascists 12 Dec 2003 11:52:30 PM
In talk.origins I read this message from rich hammett
<bubbarichau@warmmail.com>:

In talk.origins Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> sanoi, hitaasti kuin hämähäkki:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):


Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<7igjtv4u16qhtnd8d849e5cvckdf70ogj0@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<agohtvkomh7pa28umkqgmo5odvp5e937pi@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

Matt Silberstein <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message news:<6r5ftvs9b6jtqpon5r93i52vfps6crn1i8@4ax.com>...

In talk.origins I read this message from Mekkala
<joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com>:

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.


He does discuss on occasion. He said I was guilty of war crimes
and would be on trial in Belgium. I am still waiting for my
airplane tickets.


Are you admitting that you're a Likudnik fascist?


I admit nothing, I want the trial. Send me the tickets.


Are you protecting the Likudnik fascist high command? The local police
and grand juries are the ones who'll nab you first.


Yes, I am the one protecting them. Get my name to my local police
( http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/ 1-800-577-TIPS or
646-610-5000 or http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/mailnypd.html
for email) and DA (http://www.manhattanda.org/hp_flash.htm,
(212) 335-9000 or (212) 335-8900). I would prefer to get the
trip to Belgium, but it would be so cool to defend my fellow
Likudnik Fascist High Command members before the grand jury. I
admit everything, everything.


It's the evidence which determines anything. Punishment usally
trickles from top down.


Ok, so what evidence is there? If you don't take my confession,
and you make the accusation, then you must have some evidence
that I am protecting the Likudnik Fascist High Command. You were
the one who said I was going to get tried for crimes against
humanity. Are you now saying you have no evidence? With your vast
knowledge of google searches you can't find anything? How sad.


You are supporting the Likudnik fascist like all Israelis, Matt.

Didn't you see the poll about Sharon today? 99% of Israelis
(and by extension world Jews) think that Sharon has never
told a lie. I think that's what it said. I'm pretty sure.

Ok, so maybe I can get a trip to Israel and the court can try all
of us at once. I mean, if I am going to commit international
crimes the least I can get is a trip somewhere.


BTW, what made you label this, of all threads, off topic? Most of
the threads you start are off topic for this group.

.
User: "Grinder"

Title: Re: OT: Likudnik fascists 13 Dec 2003 11:55:28 AM
"Matt Silberstein" <matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom> wrote in message:
[snip]

Ok, so maybe I can get a trip to Israel and the court can try all
of us at once. I mean, if I am going to commit international
crimes the least I can get is a trip somewhere.

Can you bring me back some Cedar?
.










User: "maff"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 12 Dec 2003 05:14:28 AM
Mekkala <joremovedathiskimtoreply@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<Xns944D866E952FFMekkala@199.45.49.11>...

On 10 Dec 2003, Susan S <otoeremovethis@ix.netcom.com> screwed up his
face, groaned, pushed hard, and farted out the following message in
news:ohpetv483bdqbmufknb8h434f0fac13kqf@4ax.com:

In talk.origins I read this message from Matt Silberstein
<matts.2nopam@ix.netcom.nospamcom>:

In talk.origins I read this message from


(maff):

A farewell -- and a recommendation

http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____a

nd_a_recommendation/

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003


I had so much hope for this post. That will teach me to assume
too much from a subject line.

[snip]


Yes. I was thinking it would be the first time in a while I could
delete someone from the kill file. Damn bots.


It was a good article, though.

Sometimes I almost feel bad about killfiling him... but he was swamping
my newsreader with so many OT posts that I was losing half the on-topic
posts that I come here to read. Not only so, but he never, ever
discusses ANYTHING. He just posts thread after thread after thread
after off-topic thread, with seemingly no interest in talking about it,
just an interest in flooding the NG with as many news articles as he
possibly can. It's like... I don't know, a marathon or something.
Almost sad.

Are you sad that you were not acclaimed dictator of alt.atheism?
.




User: "stoney"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 12 Dec 2003 09:55:37 PM
On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:32:54 +0000 (UTC),
(maff),
Message ID: <18510aff.0312100536.5f4136c4@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

A farewell -- and a recommendation
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____and_a_recommendation/

SCIENCE MUSINGS
A farewell -- and a recommendation
By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003
Several weeks ago, The New York Times asked in the headline of its
Tuesday science section, "Does Science Matter?", then spent 16 pages
suggesting an answer: Indeed it does, more than ever.
But the Times also noted that this conclusion is not necessarily that of
the American public. The prestige of scientists is declining. Religious
fundamentalism and belief in the paranormal is on the rise. Reflecting
this national mood, the government provides fewer dollars for scientific
research.
Apparently people want pat answers to the big questions of life, and
science doesn't provide them. Nor can it. The driving force of science
is curiosity about the unknown. Science thrives on mystery.
The 20th century was America's century not least because of the
preeminence of American science. For this same reason, the 21st century
might belong to Asia, and especially China, as America retreats into
dogma and superstition.
What can be done? Probably nothing. If people want pat answers, they
will have them.
For 20 years, I have shared in this column my admiration for those men
and women of past and present who hold their knowledge of the world
against the refining fire of empirical experience. They are part of a
glorious transcultural intellectual tradition that has led us into the
heart of living cells and to the distant galaxies.
Of course, science also can slip into smug self-centeredness. Scientists
are not immune to the cozy security of dogma. But of all the ways humans
have devised to obtain reliable public knowledge of the world, it is my
conviction that science is the least susceptible to accidents of birth,
personal prejudice, the coercions of authority, and the straitjackets of
tradition.
Yet science alone is an incomplete basis for a life. We need our Jane
Austens, Igor Stravinskys and Albert Schweitzers as much as our Charles
Darwins, Marie Curies and Albert Einsteins. What poets, artists, saints
and scientists share is a capacity to be astonished.
This column is the last of Science Musings. It has been a long, joyous
ride, not least because of the always thoughtful responses of readers.
Your willingness to share your knowledge and life experiences has been
an important part of my education, and I am grateful to you.
As a parting token of my gratitude, let me share with you my pleasure in
a book I have just finished reading: "For the Love of Insects," by
Thomas Eisner (Harvard University Press, 2003).
Eisner is professor of chemical ecology at Cornell University, and one
of America's preeminent entomologists. He has spent a lifetime figuring
out the chemical language of insects. He has published hundreds of
scientific papers. His new book is a personal memoir of a lifetime in
science, engagingly written and stunningly illustrated with photographs
of insects doing astonishing things.
Eisner's bugs squirt, secrete, ooze, defecate, and regurgitate a whole
vocabulary of chemicals, to mark, repel, attract, and entangle. Eisner
"listens" and "translates" this chemical language with experiments that
are enchanting in their simplicity.
What makes Eisner a world-class entomologist is not access to
million-dollar scientific instruments, but a mind that never stops
asking "Why?" And this within a life that is filled with the joys of
family, travel, music, literature.
There is no danger of running out of mysteries. As Eisner points out,
the 1.5 million species of organic life that have so far been described
by science are only a fraction of the number that exist. Most creatures
on this planet await discovery, and even the most familiar have secrets
to reveal.
There are no great philosophical conclusions in Eisner's book, no pat
answers to the big questions of life; just one man's unremitting
curiosity about the natural world.
One comes away from "For the Love of Insects" with a suspicion that
unremitting curiosity in the face of inexhaustible mystery might just be
an answer to the biggest question of all: What makes a human life worth
living?
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.


Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}
.
User: "maff"

Title: Re: A farewell -- and a recommendation 16 Dec 2003 04:50:11 AM
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote in message news:<sn3ltvkr1ig5h4flfefoefvlif1cua29u8@4ax.com>...

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:32:54 +0000 (UTC),

(maff),
Message ID: <18510aff.0312100536.5f4136c4@posting.google.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;

A farewell -- and a recommendation
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2003/12/09/a_farewell____and_a_recommendation/


SCIENCE MUSINGS
A farewell -- and a recommendation

By Chet Raymo, 12/9/2003

Several weeks ago, The New York Times asked in the headline of its
Tuesday science section, "Does Science Matter?", then spent 16 pages
suggesting an answer: Indeed it does, more than ever.

But the Times also noted that this conclusion is not necessarily that of
the American public. The prestige of scientists is declining. Religious
fundamentalism and belief in the paranormal is on the rise. Reflecting
this national mood, the government provides fewer dollars for scientific
research.

Apparently people want pat answers to the big questions of life, and
science doesn't provide them. Nor can it. The driving force of science
is curiosity about the unknown. Science thrives on mystery.

The 20th century was America's century not least because of the
preeminence of American science. For this same reason, the 21st century
might belong to Asia, and especially China, as America retreats into
dogma and superstition.

Royal Institution Lectures Raise Profile of Science
http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/culture/200308/kt2003080417373611710.htm

By Jeffrey Miller
Feature Writer
How the molecular miracles of modern science behind the everyday
objects which define our modern world and touch our lives daily is the
subject of a fascinating series of lectures to be held this week at
Yonsei University.

Science Lecture for Kids@Cosmic Onion 2002 -DNA, the Design of Life-
http://www.walk-gr.com/English/FrameRWalk2002.html


Broadcast: August 31, 2002 by NHK BS2(120 min.)

Directed by Satoshi OIWA
Direction assisted by Kazuki TAKASHIMA, Seiko TAKENAKA
Produced by Kumi INOUE


Yearly series based on the Christmas lectures by leading scientists,
held by the Royal Institution of the United Kingdom.@This year, Sir
John SULSTON@at Sanger Institute of Kenbridge University, who leads
the human genome project in UK, tells us about DNA.


What can be done? Probably nothing. If people want pat answers, they
will have them.

For 20 years, I have shared in this column my admiration for those men
and women of past and present who hold their knowledge of the world
against the refining fire of empirical experience. They are part of a
glorious transcultural intellectual tradition that has led us into the
heart of living cells and to the distant galaxies.

Of course, science also can slip into smug self-centeredness. Scientists
are not immune to the cozy security of dogma. But of all the ways humans
have devised to obtain reliable public knowledge of the world, it is my
conviction that science is the least susceptible to accidents of birth,
personal prejudice, the coercions of authority, and the straitjackets of
tradition.

Yet science alone is an incomplete basis for a life. We need our Jane
Austens, Igor Stravinskys and Albert Schweitzers as much as our Charles
Darwins, Marie Curies and Albert Einsteins. What poets, artists, saints
and scientists share is a capacity to be astonished.

This column is the last of Science Musings. It has been a long, joyous
ride, not least because of the always thoughtful responses of readers.
Your willingness to share your knowledge and life experiences has been
an important part of my education, and I am grateful to you.

As a parting token of my gratitude, let me share with you my pleasure in
a book I have just finished reading: "For the Love of Insects," by
Thomas Eisner (Harvard University Press, 2003).

Eisner is professor of chemical ecology at Cornell University, and one
of America's preeminent entomologists. He has spent a lifetime figuring
out the chemical language of insects. He has published hundreds of
scientific papers. His new book is a personal memoir of a lifetime in
science, engagingly written and stunningly illustrated with photographs
of insects doing astonishing things.

Eisner's bugs squirt, secrete, ooze, defecate, and regurgitate a whole
vocabulary of chemicals, to mark, repel, attract, and entangle. Eisner
"listens" and "translates" this chemical language with experiments that
are enchanting in their simplicity.

What makes Eisner a world-class entomologist is not access to
million-dollar scientific instruments, but a mind that never stops
asking "Why?" And this within a life that is filled with the joys of
family, travel, music, literature.

There is no danger of running out of mysteries. As Eisner points out,
the 1.5 million species of organic life that have so far been described
by science are only a fraction of the number that exist. Most creatures
on this planet await discovery, and even the most familiar have secrets
to reveal.

There are no great philosophical conclusions in Eisner's book, no pat
answers to the big questions of life; just one man's unremitting
curiosity about the natural world.

One comes away from "For the Love of Insects" with a suspicion that
unremitting curiosity in the face of inexhaustible mystery might just be
an answer to the biggest question of all: What makes a human life worth
living?
© Copyright 2003 Globe Newspaper Company.



Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"

When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert

alt.atheism military veteran #11
{so much for the 'no atheists in foxholes' rubbish}

.



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