Religions > Atheism > A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell.
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19 Feb 2006 06:21:24 PM |
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A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell. |
Dipshit anti-aborts claim that aborted fetuses end up in hell because
they have "original sin" and because the fetuses have never "accepted
jesus". In fact, both of these theological interpretations are just
plain illogical.
First, as far as "original sin" goes, clearly the fetus has had no
opportunity to commit any actual sins. The old testament claims (Deut
24:16, Ez 18:20) that the child shall not be liable for the sins of the
parent, so there is not a reasonable mechanism for sin to be inherented.
For that matter, no baptism of a fetus is necessary, since it has
committed no sins.
Any god who would punish a fetus for eternity for things beyond its
control would be exceedingly cruel and unjust. If you don't believe your
god is unjust, then you cannot believe that a fetus could be sent to hell
on account of "sin" since the fetus has not committed any.
In a like way, the fact that the fetus has never accepted jesus is
entirely beyond its control. It is in the same position as
"heathen savage" who has never met a missionary to tell him about jesus.
Neither the "savage", nor the fetus was ever given a reasonable
opportunity to form beliefs about jesus and therefore, their lack of
belief in jesus is non-culpable. Let me translate for the red-stater,
nascar and "rasslin'" fans. It means it ain't their fault. Since there
is nothing to hold a fetus guilty of, it must be regarded as morally
blameless and it must go to heaven, according to xian dogmas, assuming
that you believe in that crap.
The same applies to *babies* (you know, the post natal thing you don't
care about), BTW. Children too young to understand the convoluted
crapola in your religion could not be held morally accountable for this
fact by any kind of just god.
Of course no educated and thinking person ought seriously to believe in
hell or jesus or any of that horseshit. But for you fools out there who
do believe in all that nonsense, you should at least try to be more
consistent in your nonsense. So stop pretending that fetuses end up in
hell because that's even sillier than the rest of your crazy gawd
beliefs.
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Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| Title: Re: A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell. |
21 Feb 2006 09:30:32 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:21:24 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote in alt.atheism
Dipshit anti-aborts claim that aborted fetuses end up in hell because
they have "original sin" and because the fetuses have never "accepted
jesus". In fact, both of these theological interpretations are just
plain illogical.
Superstition is the epitome of illogical.
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| User: "duke" |
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20 Feb 2006 05:52:27 PM |
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On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:21:24 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dipshit anti-aborts claim that aborted fetuses end up in hell because
they have "original sin" and because the fetuses have never "accepted
jesus". In fact, both of these theological interpretations are just
plain illogical.
Come, come, little dumbass quib. That's the exact opposite of what we say. The
unborn who die before baptism spend time in a wonderful place but short of the
full glory of God until such time as God draws them into his kingdom.
Hell is a one way trip.
You could at least try to get it right. Your credibility would at least look up
for a change.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "quibbler" |
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| Title: Re: A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell. |
20 Feb 2006 08:59:37 PM |
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In article <rclkv15lu1sfiepgs2nu78gg5mgs1gq0tt@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:21:24 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dipshit anti-aborts claim that aborted fetuses end up in hell because
they have "original sin" and because the fetuses have never "accepted
jesus". In fact, both of these theological interpretations are just
plain illogical.
Come, come, little dumbass quib.
I'm way smarter than you, but then again, so is everyone else on the
planet.
That's the exact opposite of what we say.
No, what you're the exact opposite of is truth and intellect. Many xians
believe that all those who do not accept jesus are damned to hell. Since
a fetus is not even meaningfully conscious, it is unable to accept jesus
and thus, by your own dogma, would have to end up in hell.
The
unborn who die before baptism spend time in a wonderful place
Yes, I bet it's wonderful for their unconscious minds. Since you lack
sentience, perhaps you can relate.
but short of the
full glory of God until such time as God draws them into his kingdom.
Just for clarity, please specify which magical fantasy destination you
are talking about and state your proof for its existence. As usual, you
will be unable to complete this requirement, thus failing to shoulder
your burden of proof.
Hell is a one way trip.
Then Jesus must still be there, according to you. Good job, moron. Now
we know why Jebus hasn't come back.
You could at least try to get it right.
Been there and done that. In fact, I did get it right, despite your
clear ignorance of the theology involved.
Your credibility would at least look up
for a change.
My credibility is light centuries ahead of yours, you silly biatch.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: AQOTM nomination: A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell. |
20 Feb 2006 11:55:13 PM |
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ROFLMAO...are nominations still being taken here?
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hell is a one way trip.
Then Jesus must still be there, according to you. Good job, moron. Now
we know why Jebus hasn't come back.
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination: A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell. |
20 Feb 2006 11:58:08 PM |
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Geoff wrote:
ROFLMAO...are nominations still being taken here?
Yeah, but I don't know if anything written to dookie is elegible. He's
been banned from TQOTM because he posts such volumes of prize-winning
stuff.
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hell is a one way trip.
Then Jesus must still be there, according to you. Good job, moron. Now
we know why Jebus hasn't come back.
I'll second that one, if the Quotemaster allows it..<g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination: A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell. |
21 Feb 2006 07:04:15 AM |
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<panamfloyd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Geoff wrote:
ROFLMAO...are nominations still being taken here?
Yeah, but I don't know if anything written to dookie is elegible. He's
been banned from TQOTM because he posts such volumes of prize-winning
stuff.
Kind of like pitching watermelons?
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hell is a one way trip.
Then Jesus must still be there, according to you. Good job, moron.
Now
we know why Jebus hasn't come back.
I'll second that one, if the Quotemaster allows it..<g>
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination: A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell. |
24 Feb 2006 05:29:05 PM |
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In article <1140501488.188305.3700@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
wrote:
Geoff wrote:
ROFLMAO...are nominations still being taken here?
Yeah, but I don't know if anything written to dookie is elegible. He's
been banned from TQOTM because he posts such volumes of prize-winning
stuff.
"quibbler" <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e642ff4b3b452459897a3@news.readfreenews.net...
Hell is a one way trip.
Then Jesus must still be there, according to you. Good job, moron. Now
we know why Jebus hasn't come back.
I'll second that one
Recorded. Extra group removed.
... if the Quotemaster allows it..<g>
Sure, why not? I only banned the dook-meister from being nominated for
his quotes.
-Panama Floyd, Atl.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html
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Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: AQOTM nomination: A fetus cannot be morally culpable. So it cannot go to hell. |
24 Feb 2006 03:07:04 PM |
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On 20 Feb 2006 21:58:08 -0800, wrote:
Geoff wrote:
ROFLMAO...are nominations still being taken here?
Yeah, but I don't know if anything written to dookie is elegible. He's
been banned from TQOTM because he posts such volumes of prize-winning
stuff.
Hey, everybody knows that the fetus is not guilty of any actual sin.
We Christians know that.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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20 Feb 2006 08:37:19 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:21:24 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dipshit anti-aborts claim that aborted fetuses end up in hell because
they have "original sin" and because the fetuses have never "accepted
jesus". In fact, both of these theological interpretations are just
plain illogical.
Come, come, little dumbass quib. That's the exact opposite of what we
say. The unborn who die before baptism spend time in a wonderful
place but short of the full glory of God until such time as God draws
them into his kingdom.
If someone dies as a baby, do they go to heaven as an adult?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Brandon" |
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21 Feb 2006 09:08:54 AM |
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Ecclesiates 9:5 is pretty clear about the condition of the dead
For the living know that they will die, but the dead do not know anything;
they have no further reward - and even the memory of them disappears. 9:6
What they loved, as well as what they hated and envied, perished long ago,
and they no longer have a part in anything that happens on earth.
I don't see much point of being in heaven or purgatory if I can't recall
anything, can't feel anything, don't know anything and cannot have any
further reward.
God declares that a human when he dies, becomes nothing but dust. He has no
further existence not in the physical form, not in the emotional and not
even at any level of consciousness!
Satan however promotes an ideology of humans not dying, or become
spiritually conscious after physical death. In fact Satan openly disputes
the truth spoken by God "for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt
surely die." (gen 2:17) "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not
surely die:" (gen 3:4) and here is the part where he initiates this
perpetual lie echoed by all his followers on earth today that man continues
to exist spiritually after physical death "For God doth know that in the
day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods,
[rendered 'like God' by some translations] knowing good and evil. " (gen
3:5) the inspired word tells us what Satan meant when saying they would not
die, but become like God - "God [is] a Spirit:" John 4:24
So God declares to us through his word that the dead cease to exist, and
Satan promises that they will continue on to a higher spiritual state. Any
teaching that involves life after death in any form other than physical is
an inspired expression from demons and not from God.
How then can any conclusions be drawn surrounding Gods view of the fetus,
when our views on death echo that of Satan.
God clearly informs us what his view of the fetus really is - "I was cast
upon thee from the womb: thou [art] my God from my mother's belly. " (ps
22;10) Our relationship and subjection to God starts right from conception,
right in the womb of our mothers we become his beloved property.
In addition any teaching about hell is itself another inspired expression of
demon's- having already established that the dead are not conscious of
anything beyond death , hell would certainly be a fruitless exersize!
If consciousness begins in the womb, then the moral condition of the fetus
is established - "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
" (romans 3;23) it is birth that presents the oppurtunity to turn to God out
of sin and thus being able to choose to share the image of God.
If the fetus however does not get the chance to express culpability, due to
being cut off by death I would assume that these would be included in the
group of people spoken of at John 5:28-29 who will be resurrected from the
dead.
Brandon
"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet duke (duckgumbo32@cox.net)
made the light shine upon us with this:
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:21:24 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Dipshit anti-aborts claim that aborted fetuses end up in hell because
they have "original sin" and because the fetuses have never "accepted
jesus". In fact, both of these theological interpretations are just
plain illogical.
Come, come, little dumbass quib. That's the exact opposite of what we
say. The unborn who die before baptism spend time in a wonderful
place but short of the full glory of God until such time as God draws
them into his kingdom.
If someone dies as a baby, do they go to heaven as an adult?
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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21 Feb 2006 12:12:38 PM |
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
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| User: "Brandon" |
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22 Feb 2006 01:48:30 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from the
bible!
Robyn
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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22 Feb 2006 02:34:30 PM |
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian god
or the Jewish one?
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| User: "Brandon" |
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23 Feb 2006 03:29:35 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian god
or the Jewish one?
+++Please explain the difference to me?
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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23 Feb 2006 03:40:06 PM |
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian
god or the Jewish one?
+++Please explain the difference to me?
You haven't read your bible? Shame on you!
Anyhoo, the god of the OT is a real jackass with a rotten temper. You know,
killed people by the thousands, wiped out the entire population of the earth
with the exception of a couple of people and a bunch of animals at one
point, etc. In the NT, he's a much more laid back kinda guy - except for
insisting that his only son be murdered in a rather hideous fashion, that
is.
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| User: "Brandon" |
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24 Feb 2006 11:04:33 PM |
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian
god or the Jewish one?
+++Please explain the difference to me?
You haven't read your bible? Shame on you!
Anyhoo, the god of the OT is a real jackass with a rotten temper. You
know, killed people by the thousands, wiped out the entire population of
the earth with the exception of a couple of people and a bunch of animals
at one point, etc. In the NT, he's a much more laid back kinda guy -
except for insisting that his only son be murdered in a rather hideous
fashion, that
++++Your usage of the pronoun "he" seems to suggest that the God
of the OT & NT are the same person? In your opening statement you
suggested they where different. talk about shifting positions?
is.
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| User: "johac" |
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23 Feb 2006 01:41:07 AM |
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In article <464035F9aqr1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian god
or the Jewish one?
Uh oh! Now you've confused him, Robyn. :-)
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
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Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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23 Feb 2006 10:45:22 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <464035F9aqr1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian
god
or the Jewish one?
Uh oh! Now you've confused him, Robyn. :-)
Such is my plan <cackle!> ;)
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
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24 Feb 2006 01:13:03 AM |
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In article <46671hF9e9f1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <464035F9aqr1U1@individual.net>,
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian
god
or the Jewish one?
Uh oh! Now you've confused him, Robyn. :-)
Such is my plan <cackle!> ;)
I should never underestimate your powers. :-)
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"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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In article <46671hF9e9f1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <464035F9aqr1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from
the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian
god
or the Jewish one?
Uh oh! Now you've confused him, Robyn. :-)
Such is my plan <cackle!> ;)
I should never underestimate your powers. :-)
That's what I keep telling people! But does anyone listen? Noooooooooo! ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
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25 Feb 2006 02:03:15 AM |
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In article <468t50Fa3f14U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <46671hF9e9f1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <464035F9aqr1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted from
the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The christian
god
or the Jewish one?
Uh oh! Now you've confused him, Robyn. :-)
Such is my plan <cackle!> ;)
I should never underestimate your powers. :-)
That's what I keep telling people! But does anyone listen? Noooooooooo! ;)
Hm... Have you ever thought of running for office and going to
Washington?
Oh, forget it. They're confused enough. :-)
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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25 Feb 2006 07:17:23 AM |
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"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <468t50Fa3f14U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <46671hF9e9f1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <464035F9aqr1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted
from
the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The
christian
god
or the Jewish one?
Uh oh! Now you've confused him, Robyn. :-)
Such is my plan <cackle!> ;)
I should never underestimate your powers. :-)
That's what I keep telling people! But does anyone listen? Noooooooooo!
;)
Hm... Have you ever thought of running for office and going to
Washington?
Eeek! Perish the thought. I am apolitical!
Oh, forget it. They're confused enough. :-)
You got that right ;)
--
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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26 Feb 2006 01:49:29 AM |
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In article <46b3mvFa856nU1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <468t50Fa3f14U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <46671hF9e9f1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"johac" <jhachmann@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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In article <464035F9aqr1U1@individual.net>,
"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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"Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote in message
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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The truth should only be based on God's word.
Which god?
++++I would have thought that self explanatory, having quoted
from
the
bible!
So, would it be the god of the OT or the god of the NT? The
christian
god
or the Jewish one?
Uh oh! Now you've confused him, Robyn. :-)
Such is my plan <cackle!> ;)
I should never underestimate your powers. :-)
That's what I keep telling people! But does anyone listen? Noooooooooo!
;)
Hm... Have you ever thought of running for office and going to
Washington?
Eeek! Perish the thought. I am apolitical!
Oops! Sorry!
Oh, forget it. They're confused enough. :-)
You got that right ;)
I think it's obvious.
--
John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
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21 Feb 2006 09:34:13 PM |
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:08:54 +0200, "Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
The truth should only be based on God's word.
Fictional characters are irrelevant.
[snip drooling idiocy]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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22 Feb 2006 01:49:14 PM |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:08:54 +0200, "Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
The truth should only be based on God's word.
Fictional characters are irrelevant.
++++So these one liners realy add to the discussion huh?
[snip drooling idiocy]
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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22 Feb 2006 02:34:55 PM |
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"Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote in message
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:08:54 +0200, "Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
The truth should only be based on God's word.
Fictional characters are irrelevant.
++++So these one liners realy add to the discussion huh?
At least he can spell his one-liners correctly.
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23 Feb 2006 09:29:26 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:49:14 +0200, "Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:08:54 +0200, "Brandon" <sales@firersa.com> wrote
in alt.atheism
The truth should only be based on God's word.
Fictional characters are irrelevant.
++++So these one liners realy add to the discussion huh?
Drooling idiocies like yours aren't 'discussion,' sport.
You're a mental toddler bothering the adults with Santa Claus prattle.
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Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a cornucopia of splinters.
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22 Feb 2006 10:32:27 PM |
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Once upon a time in alt.atheism, dear sweet Brandon (sales@firersa.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
The truth should only be based on God's word.
Fictional characters are irrelevant.
++++So these one liners realy add to the discussion huh?
Beats yours.
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Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011, aw Hellboy #5
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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21 Feb 2006 10:40:05 AM |
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on 21 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Brandon (sales@firersa.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Come, come, little dumbass quib. That's the exact opposite of what
we say. The unborn who die before baptism spend time in a
wonderful place but short of the full glory of God until such time
as God draws them into his kingdom.
If someone dies as a baby, do they go to heaven as an adult?
The truth should only be based on God's word.
The truth should be based on the word of a pixie who's existence cannot
even be proven?
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Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Official alt.wisdom HELLBOY
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22 Feb 2006 01:46:45 PM |
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"Uncle Vic" <address@withheld.com> wrote in message
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on 21 Feb 2006 in alt.atheism, dear sweet Brandon (sales@firersa.com)
made the light shine upon us with this:
Come, come, little dumbass quib. That's the exact opposite of what
we say. The unborn who die before baptism spend time in a
wonderful place but short of the full glory of God until such time
as God draws them into his kingdom.
If someone dies as a baby, do they go to heaven as an adult?
The truth should only be based on God's word.
The truth should be based on the word of a pixie who's existence cannot
even be proven?
++++So you only believe what is proven then?
--
Uncle Vic
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Official alt.wisdom HELLBOY
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