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"Fred Stone" |
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18 Mar 2006 12:17:21 PM |
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A few more failures like this and we'll have won the war. |
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/operation_swarm.html
Operation Swarmer: a "Pyrrhic Failure?"
The Antique Media's ability to spin a successful operation into a
failure never ceases to amaze me.
In an article in today's Time Magazine, Brian Bennett and Al Jallam
claim that Operation Swarmer -- the operation just undertaken by the
Iraqi Army and the 101st Airborne -- "fizzled," simply because it did
not live up to the exciting fantasy that Time mistakenly expected.
Evidently, Time anticipated a spectacular fireworks show that could make
a four-color cover, with missiles and Willie Pete and maybe a couple of
MOABs (or at least puny, little Daisy Cutters).
But contrary to what many many television networks erroneously
reported, the operation was by no means the largest use of airpower
since the start of the war.... In fact, there were no airstrikes and no
leading insurgents were nabbed in an operation that some skeptical
military analysts described as little more than a photo op. What’s more,
there were no shots fired at all and the units had met no resistance,
said the U.S. and Iraqi commanders.
Time complains that planes and helicopters didn't come screaming in like
a World War II strafing run. But this operation was never supposed to be
an airstrike; it was an air assault, a fact that even Time itself
supposedly understood. The part I clipped out above with the elipses is
this parenthetical explanation:
("Air Assault" is a military term that refers specifically to
transporting troops into an area.)
In other words, Time already knew that we weren't planning a huge,
Clintonian barrage of missiles all over the place, blowing up wedding
parties and Boy Sprout jamborees with glorious abandon. Operation
Swarmers was, according to Wretchard of the Belmont Club, a cordon and
search operation... which is exactly what the Iraqi Army and the
Americans did. And they found a bunch of weaponry and a lot of potential
insurgents, making this a very, very successful "fizzle":
Iraqi and U.S. troops on the ground had netted 48 suspected
insurgents, 17 of which had already been cleared and released.
This means 31 suspects are still in custody, formerly dangerous
terrorists who now are nothing more than intelligence sources for us.
Plus, they made it clear that no place in Iraq can be considered "safe"
for terrorists... that we and the Iraqi Army can hit anybody anywhere.
The operation, which doubled the population of the flat farmland in
one single airlift, was initiated by intelligence from Iraq security
forces, says Lt Col Skip Johnson commander of the 187 Battallion, 3rd
Combat Brigade of the 101st Airborne. "They have the lead," he said to
reporters at the second stop of the tour....
With the Interior Ministry's Samarra commando battalion, the
soldiers had found some 300 individual pieces of weaponry like mortars,
rockets and plastic explosives in six different locations inside the
sparsely populated farming community of over 50 square miles and about
1,500 residents. The raids also uncovered high-powered cordless
telephones used as detonators in homemade bombs, medical supplies and
insurgent training manuals.
Note that in this air assault, the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi police (the
"Interior Ministry's Samarra commando battalion") raided together, just
as promised as part of the brokered deal to regain control of the
police. As we reported Wednesday:
As for the Shiite militia attacking Sunni citizens, there has been
an amazing new development: the Iraqi Defense and Interior ministries
announced yesterday that from now on, anti-terrorist raids will be
conducted with the Iraqi Army and the police operating together:
So what is this nonsense about "no shots fired at all?" Is Time saying
that the mission "fizzled" because we didn't get shot at and didn't have
to return fire? It's a failure when the enemy is overwhelmed by our
presence and flees, abandoning its weaponry, equipment, and personnel?
Perhaps "some skeptical military analysts" see Operation Swarmer as a
failure, nothing more than a "photo op." But in fact, it was a perfect
demonstration of how capable the Iraqi Army has become. They've
demonstrated that they are capable of collecting accurate intelligence,
dropping into the target area, and efficiently nabbing suspects and
weaponry without taking any casualties at all. They only need help with
air transportation, not having much of an Air Force yet.
A few more "pyrrhic failures" like this, and Iraq may end up a stable
democracy after all!
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Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"When people say they intend to kill you, take them seriously."
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19 Mar 2006 07:13:48 PM |
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"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns978A87366EB1Dfstone69@81.174.50.80...
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/operation_swarm.html
Operation Swarmer: a "Pyrrhic Failure?"
<snip>
Fred Stone's Operation Clap Louder continues in earnest.
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Aloha, G-Ride
"Birds fall from the window ledge above mine.
Then they flap their wings at the last second."
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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20 Mar 2006 06:42:40 AM |
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"G-Ride" <gridespamandeggs42@yahoo.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:486duoFibg89U1@individual.net:
"Fred Stone" <fstone69@earthling.com> wrote in message
news:Xns978A87366EB1Dfstone69@81.174.50.80...
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/operation_swarm.html
Operation Swarmer: a "Pyrrhic Failure?"
<snip>
Fred Stone's Operation Clap Louder continues in earnest.
More like "Operation: suck Bush's ***** HARDER"...
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Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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19 Mar 2006 01:01:31 AM |
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Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:Xns978A87366EB1Dfstone69@81.174.50.80:
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/operation_swarm.html
Operation Swarmer: a "Pyrrhic Failure?"
Perhaps "some skeptical military analysts" see Operation Swarmer as a
failure, nothing more than a "photo op." But in fact, it was a perfect
demonstration of how capable the Iraqi Army has become. They've
demonstrated that they are capable of collecting accurate intelligence,
dropping into the target area, and efficiently nabbing suspects and
weaponry without taking any casualties at all. They only need help with
air transportation, not having much of an Air Force yet.
A few more "pyrrhic failures" like this, and Iraq may end up a stable
democracy after all!
Yeah, 1 trillion dollars and thousands dead, many more thousands maimed is
a small price to pay for a "stable democracy in Iraq" isn't it Fred.
Which country's next Fred, Zimbabwe?
Whoops! I forgot, no oil there...
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Phÿltêr
Alt.Atheism #1938
Plonked by Fred Stone 17/03/2006
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
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| User: "johac" |
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20 Mar 2006 12:12:41 AM |
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In article <Xns978B98ADC316Fcogitoergosum@61.9.191.5>,
"Phÿltêr" <phylter@hsotmail.com> wrote:
Fred Stone <fstone69@earthling.com> had me ROTFL with:
news:Xns978A87366EB1Dfstone69@81.174.50.80:
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/operation_swarm.html
Operation Swarmer: a "Pyrrhic Failure?"
Perhaps "some skeptical military analysts" see Operation Swarmer as a
failure, nothing more than a "photo op." But in fact, it was a perfect
demonstration of how capable the Iraqi Army has become. They've
demonstrated that they are capable of collecting accurate intelligence,
dropping into the target area, and efficiently nabbing suspects and
weaponry without taking any casualties at all. They only need help with
air transportation, not having much of an Air Force yet.
A few more "pyrrhic failures" like this, and Iraq may end up a stable
democracy after all!
Yeah, 1 trillion dollars and thousands dead, many more thousands maimed is
a small price to pay for a "stable democracy in Iraq" isn't it Fred.
Which country's next Fred, Zimbabwe?
Whoops! I forgot, no oil there...
Iran. They have lots of oil. They also have real WMDs. Oops! Better go
back to the drawing board.
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John Hachmann aa #1782
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities"
-Voltaire
Contact - Throw a .net over the .com
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| User: "Kate " |
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19 Mar 2006 11:29:26 AM |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:17:21 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/operation_swarm.html
Operation Swarmer: a "Pyrrhic Failure?"
The Antique Media's ability to spin a successful operation into a
failure never ceases to amaze me.
In an article in today's Time Magazine, Brian Bennett and Al Jallam
claim that Operation Swarmer -- the operation just undertaken by the
Iraqi Army and the 101st Airborne -- "fizzled," simply because it did
not live up to the exciting fantasy that Time mistakenly expected.
Evidently, Time anticipated a spectacular fireworks show that could make
a four-color cover, with missiles and Willie Pete and maybe a couple of
MOABs (or at least puny, little Daisy Cutters).
But contrary to what many many television networks erroneously
reported, the operation was by no means the largest use of airpower
since the start of the war.... In fact, there were no airstrikes and no
leading insurgents were nabbed in an operation that some skeptical
military analysts described as little more than a photo op. What’s more,
there were no shots fired at all and the units had met no resistance,
said the U.S. and Iraqi commanders.
Time complains that planes and helicopters didn't come screaming in like
a World War II strafing run. But this operation was never supposed to be
an airstrike; it was an air assault, a fact that even Time itself
supposedly understood. The part I clipped out above with the elipses is
this parenthetical explanation:
("Air Assault" is a military term that refers specifically to
transporting troops into an area.)
In other words, Time already knew that we weren't planning a huge,
Clintonian barrage of missiles all over the place, blowing up wedding
parties and Boy Sprout jamborees with glorious abandon. Operation
Swarmers was, according to Wretchard of the Belmont Club, a cordon and
search operation... which is exactly what the Iraqi Army and the
Americans did. And they found a bunch of weaponry and a lot of potential
insurgents, making this a very, very successful "fizzle":
Iraqi and U.S. troops on the ground had netted 48 suspected
insurgents, 17 of which had already been cleared and released.
This means 31 suspects are still in custody, formerly dangerous
terrorists who now are nothing more than intelligence sources for us.
Plus, they made it clear that no place in Iraq can be considered "safe"
for terrorists... that we and the Iraqi Army can hit anybody anywhere.
The operation, which doubled the population of the flat farmland in
one single airlift, was initiated by intelligence from Iraq security
forces, says Lt Col Skip Johnson commander of the 187 Battallion, 3rd
Combat Brigade of the 101st Airborne. "They have the lead," he said to
reporters at the second stop of the tour....
With the Interior Ministry's Samarra commando battalion, the
soldiers had found some 300 individual pieces of weaponry like mortars,
rockets and plastic explosives in six different locations inside the
sparsely populated farming community of over 50 square miles and about
1,500 residents. The raids also uncovered high-powered cordless
telephones used as detonators in homemade bombs, medical supplies and
insurgent training manuals.
Note that in this air assault, the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi police (the
"Interior Ministry's Samarra commando battalion") raided together, just
as promised as part of the brokered deal to regain control of the
police. As we reported Wednesday:
As for the Shiite militia attacking Sunni citizens, there has been
an amazing new development: the Iraqi Defense and Interior ministries
announced yesterday that from now on, anti-terrorist raids will be
conducted with the Iraqi Army and the police operating together:
So what is this nonsense about "no shots fired at all?" Is Time saying
that the mission "fizzled" because we didn't get shot at and didn't have
to return fire? It's a failure when the enemy is overwhelmed by our
presence and flees, abandoning its weaponry, equipment, and personnel?
Perhaps "some skeptical military analysts" see Operation Swarmer as a
failure, nothing more than a "photo op." But in fact, it was a perfect
demonstration of how capable the Iraqi Army has become. They've
demonstrated that they are capable of collecting accurate intelligence,
dropping into the target area, and efficiently nabbing suspects and
weaponry without taking any casualties at all. They only need help with
air transportation, not having much of an Air Force yet.
A few more "pyrrhic failures" like this, and Iraq may end up a stable
democracy after all!
Let see - according to the original article, they didn't get who they
were going after. The leaders they wanted were long gone by the time
they got there and they spent a rather amusing time wandering around
in the fields eating stolen bread.
I see your definition of success is pretty much the same as your
definition of responsibility. That lack of it, is it.
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| User: "Fester" |
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19 Mar 2006 12:15:45 PM |
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Kate wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:17:21 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/operation_swarm.html
Operation Swarmer: a "Pyrrhic Failure?"
The Antique Media's ability to spin a successful operation into a
failure never ceases to amaze me.
In an article in today's Time Magazine, Brian Bennett and Al Jallam
claim that Operation Swarmer -- the operation just undertaken by the
Iraqi Army and the 101st Airborne -- "fizzled," simply because it did
not live up to the exciting fantasy that Time mistakenly expected.
Evidently, Time anticipated a spectacular fireworks show that could make
a four-color cover, with missiles and Willie Pete and maybe a couple of
MOABs (or at least puny, little Daisy Cutters).
But contrary to what many many television networks erroneously
reported, the operation was by no means the largest use of airpower
since the start of the war.... In fact, there were no airstrikes and no
leading insurgents were nabbed in an operation that some skeptical
military analysts described as little more than a photo op. What’s more,
there were no shots fired at all and the units had met no resistance,
said the U.S. and Iraqi commanders.
Time complains that planes and helicopters didn't come screaming in like
a World War II strafing run. But this operation was never supposed to be
an airstrike; it was an air assault, a fact that even Time itself
supposedly understood. The part I clipped out above with the elipses is
this parenthetical explanation:
("Air Assault" is a military term that refers specifically to
transporting troops into an area.)
In other words, Time already knew that we weren't planning a huge,
Clintonian barrage of missiles all over the place, blowing up wedding
parties and Boy Sprout jamborees with glorious abandon. Operation
Swarmers was, according to Wretchard of the Belmont Club, a cordon and
search operation... which is exactly what the Iraqi Army and the
Americans did. And they found a bunch of weaponry and a lot of potential
insurgents, making this a very, very successful "fizzle":
Iraqi and U.S. troops on the ground had netted 48 suspected
insurgents, 17 of which had already been cleared and released.
This means 31 suspects are still in custody, formerly dangerous
terrorists who now are nothing more than intelligence sources for us.
Plus, they made it clear that no place in Iraq can be considered "safe"
for terrorists... that we and the Iraqi Army can hit anybody anywhere.
The operation, which doubled the population of the flat farmland in
one single airlift, was initiated by intelligence from Iraq security
forces, says Lt Col Skip Johnson commander of the 187 Battallion, 3rd
Combat Brigade of the 101st Airborne. "They have the lead," he said to
reporters at the second stop of the tour....
With the Interior Ministry's Samarra commando battalion, the
soldiers had found some 300 individual pieces of weaponry like mortars,
rockets and plastic explosives in six different locations inside the
sparsely populated farming community of over 50 square miles and about
1,500 residents. The raids also uncovered high-powered cordless
telephones used as detonators in homemade bombs, medical supplies and
insurgent training manuals.
Note that in this air assault, the Iraqi Army and the Iraqi police (the
"Interior Ministry's Samarra commando battalion") raided together, just
as promised as part of the brokered deal to regain control of the
police. As we reported Wednesday:
As for the Shiite militia attacking Sunni citizens, there has been
an amazing new development: the Iraqi Defense and Interior ministries
announced yesterday that from now on, anti-terrorist raids will be
conducted with the Iraqi Army and the police operating together:
So what is this nonsense about "no shots fired at all?" Is Time saying
that the mission "fizzled" because we didn't get shot at and didn't have
to return fire? It's a failure when the enemy is overwhelmed by our
presence and flees, abandoning its weaponry, equipment, and personnel?
Perhaps "some skeptical military analysts" see Operation Swarmer as a
failure, nothing more than a "photo op." But in fact, it was a perfect
demonstration of how capable the Iraqi Army has become. They've
demonstrated that they are capable of collecting accurate intelligence,
dropping into the target area, and efficiently nabbing suspects and
weaponry without taking any casualties at all. They only need help with
air transportation, not having much of an Air Force yet.
A few more "pyrrhic failures" like this, and Iraq may end up a stable
democracy after all!
Let see - according to the original article, they didn't get who they
were going after. The leaders they wanted were long gone by the time
they got there and they spent a rather amusing time wandering around
in the fields eating stolen bread.
I see your definition of success is pretty much the same as your
definition of responsibility. That lack of it, is it.
Your ability to avoid the facts and construct your own narrative
entirely from imagination is quite impressive.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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19 Mar 2006 02:40:49 PM |
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Fester wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:17:21 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
But contrary to what many many television networks erroneously
reported, the operation was by no means the largest use of airpower
since the start of the war.... In fact, there were no airstrikes and no
leading insurgents were nabbed in an operation that some skeptical
military analysts described as little more than a photo op. What?s more,
there were no shots fired at all and the units had met no resistance,
said the U.S. and Iraqi commanders.
*****
Let see - according to the original article, they didn't get who they
were going after. The leaders they wanted were long gone by the time
they got there and they spent a rather amusing time wandering around
in the fields eating stolen bread.
I see your definition of success is pretty much the same as your
definition of responsibility. That lack of it, is it.
Your ability to avoid the facts and construct your own narrative
entirely from imagination is quite impressive.
By dingy! A few more victories like this and
those Iraqi breadcrusts will be done for!
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So you want to fight the Master!
First you must fight my brother Chang!
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Kate " |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 14:40:49 -0600, wbarwell <wbarwell@mylinuxisp.com>
wrote:
Fester wrote:
Kate wrote:
On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:17:21 +0000 (UTC), Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> wrote:
But contrary to what many many television networks erroneously
reported, the operation was by no means the largest use of airpower
since the start of the war.... In fact, there were no airstrikes and no
leading insurgents were nabbed in an operation that some skeptical
military analysts described as little more than a photo op. What?s more,
there were no shots fired at all and the units had met no resistance,
said the U.S. and Iraqi commanders.
*****
Let see - according to the original article, they didn't get who they
were going after. The leaders they wanted were long gone by the time
they got there and they spent a rather amusing time wandering around
in the fields eating stolen bread.
I see your definition of success is pretty much the same as your
definition of responsibility. That lack of it, is it.
Your ability to avoid the facts and construct your own narrative
entirely from imagination is quite impressive.
Hmm, projection is a nasty habit Fester. But then again, that's why I
rarely bother to read your posts. You just ain't worth the time.
By dingy! A few more victories like this and
those Iraqi breadcrusts will be done for!
LOL.
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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21 Mar 2006 01:09:11 PM |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2006 18:17:21 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism , Fred Stone
<fstone69@earthling.com> in <Xns978A87366EB1Dfstone69@81.174.50.80>
wrote:
What a slimy piece of writing. I wonder how many a "few" is? Do you
think that 100 is sufficient? 500? What?
Oh, and when you cut and paste an article at least get their quoting
right. The original made it clear, your paste job does not.
http://biglizards.net/blog/archives/2006/03/operation_swarm.html
Operation Swarmer: a "Pyrrhic Failure?"
The Antique Media's ability to spin a successful operation into a
failure never ceases to amaze me.
In an article in today's Time Magazine, Brian Bennett and Al Jallam
claim that Operation Swarmer -- the operation just undertaken by the
Iraqi Army and the 101st Airborne -- "fizzled," simply because it did
not live up to the exciting fantasy that Time mistakenly expected.
Or were told to expect.
Evidently, Time anticipated a spectacular fireworks show that could make
a four-color cover, with missiles and Willie Pete and maybe a couple of
MOABs (or at least puny, little Daisy Cutters).
Where "evidently" means "made up". The "no shots fired" referred to
the actual operation, not to some air strike.
But contrary to what many many television networks erroneously
reported, the operation was by no means the largest use of airpower
since the start of the war....
In fact, there were no airstrikes and no
leading insurgents were nabbed in an operation that some skeptical
military analysts described as little more than a photo op. What’s more,
there were no shots fired at all and the units had met no resistance,
said the U.S. and Iraqi commanders.
And, yet, this is some kind of big victory?
Time complains that planes and helicopters didn't come screaming in like
a World War II strafing run. But this operation was never supposed to be
an airstrike; it was an air assault, a fact that even Time itself
supposedly understood. The part I clipped out above with the elipses is
this parenthetical explanation:
I see no such complaint, that is just a strawman from your blogger.
("Air Assault" is a military term that refers specifically to
transporting troops into an area.)
In other words, Time already knew that we weren't planning a huge,
Clintonian barrage of missiles all over the place, blowing up wedding
parties and Boy Sprout jamborees with glorious abandon.
Yeah, we have blown up enough other wedding parties during this war,
we didn't need to do it again. That is sure a slimy bit of
misdirection.
Operation
Swarmers was, according to Wretchard of the Belmont Club, a cordon and
search operation... which is exactly what the Iraqi Army and the
Americans did. And they found a bunch of weaponry and a lot of potential
insurgents, making this a very, very successful "fizzle":
And, yet, not a shot fired as Time reported. The rest of the blog
complaint is made up.
Iraqi and U.S. troops on the ground had netted 48 suspected
insurgents, 17 of which had already been cleared and released.
So 50 helicopters and 1,500 troops, in one of, if not the, largest air
assaults since the beginning of the war captured some weapons and 30
potential insurgents and at least 17 innocents. Wow, that is a major
victory.
This means 31 suspects are still in custody, formerly dangerous
terrorists who now are nothing more than intelligence sources for us.
No, not as yet suspects. Translating not yet cleared to "dangerous
terrorists" is rather impressive.
Plus, they made it clear that no place in Iraq can be considered "safe"
for terrorists... that we and the Iraqi Army can hit anybody anywhere.
And, yet, the killing continues unabated. And, yet, the Shiite militia
are still kidnapping and executing Sunnis.
The operation, which doubled the population of the flat farmland in
one single airlift, was initiated by intelligence from Iraq security
forces, says Lt Col Skip Johnson commander of the 187 Battallion, 3rd
Combat Brigade of the 101st Airborne. "They have the lead," he said to
reporters at the second stop of the tour....
Which just might explain why this big force produced so little a
result.
[snip]
A few more "pyrrhic failures" like this, and Iraq may end up a stable
democracy after all!
Again, how many is a few? If 100 is silly is 50 enough? 20? What is a
few?
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Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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