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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Xomicron"
Date: 08 Apr 2004 05:06:20 PM
Object: A good look at the Left
"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like
many black men do, of heart disease. ... He is an absolutely reprehensible
person."
--USA Today Columnist Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas
"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren will
get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms
"It may take the destruction of Western Civilization to allow the rest of
the world to really emerge as a free and brotherly society."
--Newly elected president of that hot-bed of collectivist agitation, The
World Council of Churches, Andrew Young
"In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it
Fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism. These people are
attacking the poor."
--"Reverend" Jesse Jackson [who wears $3000 suits -- and spends hundreds of
thousand of $ on his mistress as hush money for keeping quiet about the
***** he fathered -- while bemoaning the fate of the poor &
preaching"Christian" morality"
"Fundamental, Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate
their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are
preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world
global society and their children will not fit in."
--Former Democratic Congressman Peter Hoagland......does this sound
familiar?? Communism anyone???? Suddenly the state owns your children??
"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we think they ought
to have."
--Former president of CBS News, Richard Salant
"I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
--Lyndon B. Johnson
"When you hear somebody doing it [criticizing the federal government], you
ought to stand up and double up your fist and stick it in the sky and shout
them down."
--Bill Clinton in a speech in Billings, Montana, 1 June '95
"We don't give a sh-- about what you have to say."
--Gloria Steinham, as she turned off the microphone when feminist Camille
Paglia tried to voice a dissenting opinion
"You're fired, and your pension is forfeit."
--European Court of Justice (sic) to Bernard Connolly who wrote a book
exposing European Union lies while acknowledging that what he'd written was
true
"*****, you stupid *****. Shut the xxxx up, and get your black *****
out of here, *****!"
--"Reverend" Jesse Jackson and his gang of thugs to Black conservative J.
L. Peterson, when he tried to speak at an L.A. Trade Bureau Forum meeting.
(Mr. Peterson is currently suing "Rev." Jackson for -- among other charges
-- assault and battery, as he was also physically attacked.)
"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."
--Self-described 'unbiased broker of events,' and CBS anchorman, Dan
Rather, when asked in an interview: "Do you think Clinton is an honest
man?"
"Lenin was an apostle of world peace whose ideas have had a profound
influence on the course of contemporary history. ... [and] his ideals ...
are in line with the U. N. charter."
--U. N. Secretary General U Thant in a speech given in 1970
"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people
per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say
it."
--Socialist oceanographer, the late Jacques Cousteau
"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the
government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those
guarantees."
-- President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993
"And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When
personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it."
-- Bill Clinton on MTV's "Enough is Enough", 4/19/1994
"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a
chance to have their fair say."
-- Bill Clinton (May 29, 1993)
"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary
Americans . . . ."
-- William J. Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993
"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering
guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are
pretty likely to commit a crime."
-- Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson
"I am one who believes that as a first step, the United States should move
expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and
security officers, of all handguns, pistols, and revolvers...No one should
have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
-- Professor Dean Morris, Director of Law Enforcement Assistance
Administration, stated to the U.S. Congress
"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of
guns."
-- Rahm Emmanuel, senior advisor to Bill Clinton
"All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately ... The SS, SA
and Stahlhelm give every respectable German man the opportunity of
campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the
above named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his
weapon ... must be regarded as an enemy of the national government."
-- SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933.
"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary
citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
-- Heinrich Himmler
"Stroke of the pen, law of the land... kinda cool"
-- Clinton Presidential Aide Paul Begala referring to Executive Orders,
July 1998
"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an
outright ban, picking up every one of them. "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em
all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't
here."
-- U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D/CA) speaking of her authorship of the
1994 Assault Weapons Ban on "60 Minutes" 2/5/95
"We must get rid of all the guns."
-- Sarah Brady speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others
on "The Phil Donahue Show" September 1994
"Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means
possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our
task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would
resist us have been totally disarmed."
-- HCI President Sarah Brady to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National
Educator, January 1994, p.3
"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
-- Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994
"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative
strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"
-- U.S. Representative Charles Schumer (D/NY) on NBC 12/8/93
"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The
prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-- U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993
"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and
for all."
--Nikita Khrushchev to the 20th Congress of the Communist Party 2/25/56
"Fascist ethics begin ... with the acknowledgment that it is not the
individual who confers a meaning upon society, but it is, instead, the
existence of a human society which determines the human character of the
individual. According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot
take place unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the
world of man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once,
and this need of rising the State to its rightful position."
-- Mario Palmieri in The Philosophy of Fascism 1936
"There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the
State and the Individual; between the State which demands and the
individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual, left
to himself, unless he be a saint or hero, always refuses to pay taxes, obey
laws, or go to war."
-- Benito Mussolini
"I cannot save every undercapitalized business in America."
-- Hillary Clinton, when questioned about the impact health care mandates
would have on small businesses, quoted in Fayetteville (GA)
"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the
name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how
it happened."
-- Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one
of the founders of the ACLU.
"Among the elementary measures the American government will adopt to
further the cultural revolution are the following: the schools, colleges,
and universities will be coordinated and grouped under a National
Department of Education and its state and local branches. The studies will
be revolutionized, being cleansed of religious, patriotic, and other
features of bourgeois ideology."
--William Z. Foster, National Chairman of the United States Communist
Party, in his book "Toward a Soviet America".
"The children who know how to think for themselves, spoil the harmony of
the collective society that is coming, where everyone (would be)
interdependent."
-- John Dewey, pioneer of American modern education system
"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill
because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding
fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief
in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a
separate entity. It is up to you as teachers to make all of these sick
children well -- by creating the international child of the future."
-- Dr. Chester M. Pierce, Professor of Education at Harvard, addressing the
Association for Childhood Education International in April,1972
"Schools will become clinics whose purpose is to provide individualized,
psycho-social treatment for the student, and teachers must become psycho-
social therapists. This will include biochemical and psychological
mediation of learning, as drugs are introduced experimentally to improve in
the learner such qualities as personality, concentration, and memory."
--National Education Association report entitled "Education for the
'70's." (1979)
"The battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public
school classroom...between the rotting corpse of Christianity...and the new
faith of humanism. Humanism will emerge triumphant."
-- John Dunphy, January/February, 1983, issue of "The Humanist"
"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his
own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation;
that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the
interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a
nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit
and will of an individual. .... This state of mind, which subordinates the
interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the
first premise for every truly human culture .... we understand only the
individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow
man."
-- Adolph Hitler, 1933
"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is
best for society."
-- Hillary Clinton, 1993
"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states
will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't such
a great idea after all."
--Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted
in Time, July 20th, 1992.
We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine
and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and
respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would
have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had
been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the
world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world
government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and
world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination
practiced in past centuries."
--David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991
.

User: "Gomez Addams"

Title: Re: A good look at the Left 08 Apr 2004 07:54:33 PM
DANKE!!!!!
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:c54ib9$2nedos$5@ID-170553.news.uni-berlin.de...

"I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like
many black men do, of heart disease. ... He is an absolutely reprehensible
person."
--USA Today Columnist Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas

"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren will
get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms

"It may take the destruction of Western Civilization to allow the rest of
the world to really emerge as a free and brotherly society."
--Newly elected president of that hot-bed of collectivist agitation, The
World Council of Churches, Andrew Young

"In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it
Fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism. These people are
attacking the poor."
--"Reverend" Jesse Jackson [who wears $3000 suits -- and spends hundreds

of

thousand of $ on his mistress as hush money for keeping quiet about the
***** he fathered -- while bemoaning the fate of the poor &
preaching"Christian" morality"

"Fundamental, Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate
their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are
preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world
global society and their children will not fit in."
--Former Democratic Congressman Peter Hoagland......does this sound
familiar?? Communism anyone???? Suddenly the state owns your children??

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we think they

ought

to have."
--Former president of CBS News, Richard Salant

"I'll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years."
--Lyndon B. Johnson

"When you hear somebody doing it [criticizing the federal government], you
ought to stand up and double up your fist and stick it in the sky and

shout

them down."
--Bill Clinton in a speech in Billings, Montana, 1 June '95

"We don't give a sh-- about what you have to say."
--Gloria Steinham, as she turned off the microphone when feminist Camille
Paglia tried to voice a dissenting opinion

"You're fired, and your pension is forfeit."
--European Court of Justice (sic) to Bernard Connolly who wrote a book
exposing European Union lies while acknowledging that what he'd written

was

true

"*****, you stupid *****. Shut the xxxx up, and get your black *****
out of here, *****!"
--"Reverend" Jesse Jackson and his gang of thugs to Black conservative J.
L. Peterson, when he tried to speak at an L.A. Trade Bureau Forum meeting.
(Mr. Peterson is currently suing "Rev." Jackson for -- among other charges
-- assault and battery, as he was also physically attacked.)

"I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things."
--Self-described 'unbiased broker of events,' and CBS anchorman, Dan
Rather, when asked in an interview: "Do you think Clinton is an honest
man?"

"Lenin was an apostle of world peace whose ideas have had a profound
influence on the course of contemporary history. ... [and] his ideals ...
are in line with the U. N. charter."
--U. N. Secretary General U Thant in a speech given in 1970

"In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people
per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say
it."
--Socialist oceanographer, the late Jacques Cousteau
"If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the
government's ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those
guarantees."
-- President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

"And so a lot of people say there's too much personal freedom. When
personal freedom's being abused, you have to move to limit it."
-- Bill Clinton on MTV's "Enough is Enough", 4/19/1994

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country? Everyone gets a
chance to have their fair say."
-- Bill Clinton (May 29, 1993)

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary
Americans . . . ."
-- William J. Clinton, USA Today, March 11, 1993

"We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By

registering

guns and knowing who has them we can do that. If they have guns they are
pretty likely to commit a crime."
-- Vermont State Senator Mary Ann Carlson

"I am one who believes that as a first step, the United States should move
expeditiously to disarm the civilian population, other than police and
security officers, of all handguns, pistols, and revolvers...No one should
have the right to anonymous ownership or use of a gun."
-- Professor Dean Morris, Director of Law Enforcement Assistance
Administration, stated to the U.S. Congress

"We're bending the law as far as we can to ban an entirely new class of
guns."
-- Rahm Emmanuel, senior advisor to Bill Clinton

"All military type firearms are to be handed in immediately ... The SS, SA
and Stahlhelm give every respectable German man the opportunity of
campaigning with them. Therefore anyone who does not belong to one of the
above named organizations and who unjustifiably nevertheless keeps his
weapon ... must be regarded as an enemy of the national government."
-- SA Oberfuhrer of Bad Tolz, March, 1933.

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary
citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
-- Heinrich Himmler

"Stroke of the pen, law of the land... kinda cool"
-- Clinton Presidential Aide Paul Begala referring to Executive Orders,
July 1998

"If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an
outright ban, picking up every one of them. "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn

'em

all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't
here."
-- U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D/CA) speaking of her authorship of the
1994 Assault Weapons Ban on "60 Minutes" 2/5/95

"We must get rid of all the guns."
-- Sarah Brady speaking on behalf of HCI with Sheriff Jay Printz & others
on "The Phil Donahue Show" September 1994

"Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means
possible. It doesn't matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our
task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would
resist us have been totally disarmed."
-- HCI President Sarah Brady to Senator Howard Metzenbaum, The National
Educator, January 1994, p.3

"I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns."
-- Senator Howard Metzenbaum, 1994

"We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative
strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!"
-- U.S. Representative Charles Schumer (D/NY) on NBC 12/8/93

"Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The
prohibition of private firearms is the goal."
-- U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, December 1993

"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and
for all."
--Nikita Khrushchev to the 20th Congress of the Communist Party 2/25/56

"Fascist ethics begin ... with the acknowledgment that it is not the
individual who confers a meaning upon society, but it is, instead, the
existence of a human society which determines the human character of the
individual. According to Fascism, a true, a great spiritual life cannot
take place unless the State has risen to a position of pre-eminence in the
world of man. The curtailment of liberty thus becomes justified at once,
and this need of rising the State to its rightful position."
-- Mario Palmieri in The Philosophy of Fascism 1936

"There is the great, silent, continuous struggle: the struggle between the
State and the Individual; between the State which demands and the
individual who attempts to evade such demands. Because the individual,

left

to himself, unless he be a saint or hero, always refuses to pay taxes,

obey

laws, or go to war."
-- Benito Mussolini

"I cannot save every undercapitalized business in America."
-- Hillary Clinton, when questioned about the impact health care mandates
would have on small businesses, quoted in Fayetteville (GA)

"The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the
name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program
until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how
it happened."
-- Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate and one
of the founders of the ACLU.

"Among the elementary measures the American government will adopt to
further the cultural revolution are the following: the schools, colleges,
and universities will be coordinated and grouped under a National
Department of Education and its state and local branches. The studies will
be revolutionized, being cleansed of religious, patriotic, and other
features of bourgeois ideology."
--William Z. Foster, National Chairman of the United States Communist
Party, in his book "Toward a Soviet America".

"The children who know how to think for themselves, spoil the harmony of
the collective society that is coming, where everyone (would be)
interdependent."
-- John Dewey, pioneer of American modern education system

"Every child in America entering school at the age of five is mentally ill
because he comes to school with certain allegiances to our founding
fathers, toward our elected officials, toward his parents, toward a belief
in a supernatural being, and toward the sovereignty of this nation as a
separate entity. It is up to you as teachers to make all of these sick
children well -- by creating the international child of the future."
-- Dr. Chester M. Pierce, Professor of Education at Harvard, addressing

the

Association for Childhood Education International in April,1972

"Schools will become clinics whose purpose is to provide individualized,
psycho-social treatment for the student, and teachers must become psycho-
social therapists. This will include biochemical and psychological
mediation of learning, as drugs are introduced experimentally to improve

in

the learner such qualities as personality, concentration, and memory."
--National Education Association report entitled "Education for the
'70's." (1979)

"The battle for humankind's future must be waged and won in the public
school classroom...between the rotting corpse of Christianity...and the

new

faith of humanism. Humanism will emerge triumphant."
-- John Dunphy, January/February, 1983, issue of "The Humanist"

"It is thus necessary that the individual should come to realize that his
own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his

nation;

that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the
interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a
nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit
and will of an individual. .... This state of mind, which subordinates the
interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the
first premise for every truly human culture .... we understand only the
individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow
man."
-- Adolph Hitler, 1933

"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is
best for society."
-- Hillary Clinton, 1993

"In the next century, nations as we know it will be obsolete; all states
will recognize a single, global authority. National sovereignty wasn't

such

a great idea after all."
--Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted
in Time, July 20th, 1992.

We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine
and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings

and

respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would
have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had
been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the
world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world
government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and
world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination
practiced in past centuries."
--David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991

.

User: "Bush 2004"

Title: "*****" Cheney 08 Apr 2004 09:24:21 PM
***** "*****" Cheney is a traitor to the Republican cause.
His daughter, Lynn Cheney, is a full-fledged lesbian, a
member of the homosexual conspiracy. The homosexuals,
thanks to "*****" Cheney, are literally a heartbeat away
from control the most powerful nation on earth.
Do you want your sons feminized and your daughters taught
that they're not a "Real" women unless they have an abortion?
Do you want America to become a socialist country?
Do you want homosexual acts taught in public schools?
Do you want the Pledge to our flag, recited by your children,
changed to "...one nation, under goddess..."?
Say NO to ***** Cheney. Say NO to the destruction of family
values. Say NO to a national Pagan religion.
As a Christian, I can't ask you to vote Democratic. That would
be too much. But, as a Christian, it is your responsibility to
not vote for any Presidential ticket that includes ***** "*****"
Cheney and the homosexual agenda. Vote for a Christian third
party candidate, or boycott the election all together.
But, let me make this clear:
If you vote for any ticket that includes ***** Cheney you will
be casting your vote for the Devil. You will be casting your
soul into the eternal flames of Hell.
.
User: "Gomez Addams"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 08 Apr 2004 09:33:38 PM
<gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote
DOC, this one needs 500mg Thorazine IV, STAT!!!!!
.
User: "Jesus Tits"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 08 Apr 2004 09:37:02 PM
On Fri, 09 Apr 2004 02:33:38 +0000, Gomez Addams wrote:

<gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote
DOC, this one needs 500mg Thorazine IV, STAT!!!!!

What a shame.
You are obviously living in denial.
Typical of Christians.
Ate anyone lately Cannibal?
Geo
atheist #15
.


User: "Michelle Malkin"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 09 Apr 2004 12:31:47 PM
"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kK2dnS-2w4WtlOvdRVn-hw@comcast.com...


***** "*****" Cheney is a traitor to the Republican cause.

His daughter, Lynn Cheney, is a full-fledged lesbian, a
member of the homosexual conspiracy. The homosexuals,
thanks to "*****" Cheney, are literally a heartbeat away
from control the most powerful nation on earth.

Do you want your sons feminized and your daughters taught
that they're not a "Real" women unless they have an abortion?

Do you want America to become a socialist country?

Do you want homosexual acts taught in public schools?

Do you want the Pledge to our flag, recited by your children,
changed to "...one nation, under goddess..."?

Say NO to ***** Cheney. Say NO to the destruction of family
values. Say NO to a national Pagan religion.

As a Christian, I can't ask you to vote Democratic. That would
be too much. But, as a Christian, it is your responsibility to
not vote for any Presidential ticket that includes ***** "*****"
Cheney and the homosexual agenda. Vote for a Christian third
party candidate, or boycott the election all together.

But, let me make this clear:

If you vote for any ticket that includes ***** Cheney you will
be casting your vote for the Devil. You will be casting your
soul into the eternal flames of Hell.


Who let the pigs out?
.
User: "William Klee"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 09 Apr 2004 02:53:54 PM
In article <e8ydnWAgk41gQOvdRVn-jw@comcast.com>, Michelle Malkin
<hypatiab7@comcast.net> wrote:

"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kK2dnS-2w4WtlOvdRVn-hw@comcast.com...


***** "*****" Cheney is a traitor to the Republican cause.

His daughter, Lynn Cheney, is a full-fledged lesbian, a
member of the homosexual conspiracy. The homosexuals,
thanks to "*****" Cheney, are literally a heartbeat away
from control the most powerful nation on earth.

Do you want your sons feminized and your daughters taught
that they're not a "Real" women unless they have an abortion?

Do you want America to become a socialist country?

Do you want homosexual acts taught in public schools?

Do you want the Pledge to our flag, recited by your children,
changed to "...one nation, under goddess..."?

Say NO to ***** Cheney. Say NO to the destruction of family
values. Say NO to a national Pagan religion.

As a Christian, I can't ask you to vote Democratic. That would
be too much. But, as a Christian, it is your responsibility to
not vote for any Presidential ticket that includes ***** "*****"
Cheney and the homosexual agenda. Vote for a Christian third
party candidate, or boycott the election all together.

But, let me make this clear:

If you vote for any ticket that includes ***** Cheney you will
be casting your vote for the Devil. You will be casting your
soul into the eternal flames of Hell.


Who let the pigs out?

I'm pretty sure this "Bush 2004" guy is a semi-subtle satirist. Only
"semi" because even I see the satire.
--
long N; long S;
if(posterID.equals("Robert B. Winn")){
N++; // N = number of Robert B. Winn Lies (tm)
S++; // S = number of Robert B. Winn Non-Sequitors (tm)
} // end if
.


User: "Man from Mars!"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 08 Apr 2004 11:58:52 PM
"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kK2dnS-2w4WtlOvdRVn-hw@comcast.com...


***** "*****" Cheney is a traitor to the Republican cause.

His daughter, Lynn Cheney, is a full-fledged lesbian, a
member of the homosexual conspiracy. The homosexuals,
thanks to "*****" Cheney, are literally a heartbeat away
from control the most powerful nation on earth.

Do you want your sons feminized and your daughters taught
that they're not a "Real" women unless they have an abortion?

Do you want America to become a socialist country?

Do you want homosexual acts taught in public schools?

Do you want the Pledge to our flag, recited by your children,
changed to "...one nation, under goddess..."?

Say NO to ***** Cheney. Say NO to the destruction of family
values. Say NO to a national Pagan religion.

As a Christian, I can't ask you to vote Democratic. That would
be too much. But, as a Christian, it is your responsibility to
not vote for any Presidential ticket that includes ***** "*****"
Cheney and the homosexual agenda. Vote for a Christian third
party candidate, or boycott the election all together.

But, let me make this clear:

If you vote for any ticket that includes ***** Cheney you will
be casting your vote for the Devil. You will be casting your
soul into the eternal flames of Hell.

***** van *****? HAHAHAHAHAHA!
.

User: "Ohia"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 08 Apr 2004 09:46:58 PM
"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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***** "*****" Cheney is a traitor to the Republican cause.

If you vote for any ticket that includes ***** Cheney you will
be casting your vote for the Devil. You will be casting your
soul into the eternal flames of Hell.

Wow, this god of yours is a hateful little *****, isn't he. Kind of
mental, too. Seems like he created all his creatures just so he could get
pissed at them.
Next time I go to church I'll put prozac in the basket....god has enough
money and really needs to lighten up.
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User: "steve2000"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 10 Apr 2004 07:24:57 PM
"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kK2dnS-2w4WtlOvdRVn-hw@comcast.com>...

***** "*****" Cheney is a traitor to the Republican cause.

His daughter, Lynn Cheney, is a full-fledged lesbian, a
member of the homosexual conspiracy. The homosexuals,
thanks to "*****" Cheney, are literally a heartbeat away
from control the most powerful nation on earth.

Of course Cheney's daughter is a lesbian. Poor thing grew up with
people saying "Hey *****!" and "Where's *****, little girl?" and "I've
always loved *****."
Shame, *****, Shame!
steve -- Chairman, Don't Call Your Sons ***** or Mike Hunt Committee
(Inc.)
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User: "Daniel Horn"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 10 Apr 2004 08:40:49 PM
steve2000 wrote:

"Bush 2004" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<kK2dnS-2w4WtlOvdRVn-hw@comcast.com>...

***** "*****" Cheney is a traitor to the Republican cause.

His daughter, Lynn Cheney, is a full-fledged lesbian, a
member of the homosexual conspiracy. The homosexuals,
thanks to "*****" Cheney, are literally a heartbeat away
from control the most powerful nation on earth.


Of course Cheney's daughter is a lesbian. Poor thing grew up with
people saying "Hey *****!" and "Where's *****, little girl?" and "I've
always loved *****."

Shame, *****, Shame!

No wonder this happened, every time a guy said want to
see my *****, she thought she was going home to meet daddy.



steve -- Chairman, Don't Call Your Sons ***** or Mike Hunt Committee
(Inc.)

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User: "Daniel Horn"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 10 Apr 2004 09:28:48 AM
Bush 2004 wrote:

***** "*****" Cheney is a traitor to the Republican cause.

His daughter, Lynn Cheney,

What a retard, it is Mary Cheney that is a lesbian, Lynn is
***** (head's) wife.

is a full-fledged lesbian, a
member of the homosexual conspiracy.

The ones with a homosexual agenda is Bush and the Reich Wing
Republicans, who are trying to theocratize the US Constitution,
and enshrine their bigotry into the Constitution for their petty
self interest of getting Bush reelected. You don't care about
marriage or your lot would not be getting a divorce every time a
new model comes along to obtain.

The homosexuals,
thanks to "*****" Cheney, are literally a heartbeat away
from control the most powerful nation on earth.

Well seem that fair and balance crap Fox pumps out don't
apply to real Reich Wing Republicans, the one in control
of the homosexual agenda is Bush, who will fills you tiny brains
with whatever you want to hear so he can use you to get
reelected. You fools in the Bork collective will believe
anything the hive tells you.



Do you want your sons feminized

As opposed to he-men like you and the military so scared of a
homosexuals you would run screaming like a little girls if Saddam
had a front line of gay guys pulling down there pants and yelling
(in false seato) over here big boys.

and your daughters taught
that they're not a "Real" women unless they have an abortion?

Yes you he-men like to control your women, to give that
inferiority complex a boost so that petty deflated male ego can
feel like a man, since it is obvious you are not.



Do you want America to become a socialist country?

Sorry too late, Bush has already did that, gulags in Cuba Siberia,
KGB wire tapes on all communication, centralized government
under the office of Homeland (Fatherland) Insecurity, holding
citizens indefinitely without charge, without a speedy trial and
without representation in direct violation of the US Constitution
and Federal Court orders of Habeas Corpus, and the Hillary
Clinton prescription drug program that Bush lied and said would
only cost 300 billion when he knew it would cost 500 billion,
along with his 400 billion give away to Iraq comes to Kerry's
900 billion dollar lie by Bush, just this year.



Do you want homosexual acts taught in public schools?

Yes, I want explicit sexual education to protect our teens from
teen pregnancy and STDs, the countries that do teach explicit
sexual education have very low teen pregnancy, and very high
virginity rates. Why do you want to harm our youths?
http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/mirror/unicef/inbirth.htm



Do you want the Pledge to our flag, recited by your children,
changed to "...one nation, under goddess..."?

You want a special right to have a ad in the Pledge of Allegiance
for your God when there are parents that are atheists and Buddhist
that do not want their children pumped full of your crap. You
want this special right just like you want a special right and
special status to marry and deny intersexuals the right to marry
at all, because they cannot pass your very narrow definition of
being exclusively a man or a woman.
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Anthropology/publications/Sexcategories.htm



Say NO to ***** Cheney. Say NO to the destruction of family
values. Say NO to a national Pagan religion.

Then you are saying don't vote for Bush, thanks



As a Christian, I can't ask you to vote Democratic. That would
be too much. But, as a Christian, it is your responsibility to
not vote for any Presidential ticket that includes ***** "*****"
Cheney and the homosexual agenda. Vote for a Christian third
party candidate, or boycott the election all together.

Yeah you Bushies can vote for Ralph Nader.



But, let me make this clear:

If you vote for any ticket that includes ***** Cheney you will
be casting your vote for the Devil. You will be casting your
soul into the eternal flames of Hell.

Amen brother.
Keep up the good work.
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User: "Scout Lady"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 10 Apr 2004 10:38:12 AM
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:40780255.1F27B4F4@Horn.uk...


Yes, I want explicit sexual education to protect our teens from
teen pregnancy and STDs, the countries that do teach explicit
sexual education have very low teen pregnancy, and very high
virginity rates. Why do you want to harm our youths?

http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/mirror/unicef/inbirth.htm

I am not opposed to sex education in the schools however I want to point out
that Japan has the lowest teen pregnancy rate and lowest rate of STD's and
their sex education is something like they taught here in the US in the
1950's. Education is good but it is the values, expectations and goals set
in the home that influence a child more than a million classes on protecting
oneself from unwanted pregnancy and STD's.
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Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 10 Apr 2004 01:44:12 PM
"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@sneakemail.com> wrote

I am not opposed to sex education in the schools however
I want to point out that Japan has the lowest teen pregnancy
rate and lowest rate of STD's and their sex education is
something like they taught here in the US in the 1950's.

....and the age of consent in Japan is 13.
Obviously, you wouldn't want the U.S. to adopt the Japanese
approach, so it would be best for your own argument if you
did not pretend otherwise.
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User: "Scout Lady"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 10 Apr 2004 08:11:10 PM
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:k42dnb1ba6noouXdRVn-uA@comcast.com...


"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@sneakemail.com> wrote

I am not opposed to sex education in the schools however
I want to point out that Japan has the lowest teen pregnancy
rate and lowest rate of STD's and their sex education is
something like they taught here in the US in the 1950's.


....and the age of consent in Japan is 13.

Obviously, you wouldn't want the U.S. to adopt the Japanese
approach, so it would be best for your own argument if you
did not pretend otherwise.

The age of consent only deals with legal issues. Do you feel the age of
consent is a factor a young person takes into consideration when deciding
whether to engage in sex or not?
BTW, I added back in the newsgroups that you cut out since you know I don't
read and post in alt.atheism and would not see any response to the questions
put forth. Why did you cut out the other newsgroups when you know that I am
not an atheist and it is highly improbable that I would go there just to see
any follow-up to my response?
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Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 11 Apr 2004 12:06:25 AM
"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@sneakemail.com> wrote

"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote

....and the age of consent in Japan is 13.

Obviously, you wouldn't want the U.S. to adopt the Japanese
approach, so it would be best for your own argument if you
did not pretend otherwise.

The age of consent only deals with legal issues.

No, the age of consent demonstrates that Japanese society is very
different from the U.S., at least as far as sex goes.
You were comparing apples to oranges, dishonestly as is your
usual.
What happens in Japanese schools is not isolated. It occurs in
a social context, a social context very different from our own.
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User: "Scout Lady"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 11 Apr 2004 08:33:33 AM
"GOP" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@sneakemail.com> wrote

"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote

....and the age of consent in Japan is 13.

Obviously, you wouldn't want the U.S. to adopt the Japanese
approach, so it would be best for your own argument if you
did not pretend otherwise.


The age of consent only deals with legal issues.


No, the age of consent demonstrates that Japanese society is very
different from the U.S., at least as far as sex goes.

You were comparing apples to oranges, dishonestly as is your
usual.

When you have the courage to discuss this in the groups I read and post from
then we can continue. As it is stands I am not going to play your follow up
only to alt.atheism game so you can have the last word and look like a big
man there or, you can get off that yellow belly of yours and post your
response to the original list of groups.

What happens in Japanese schools is not isolated. It occurs in
a social context, a social context very different from our own.




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Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 11 Apr 2004 07:09:29 PM
"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@sneakemail.com> wrote

When you have the courage to discuss this in the groups
I read and post from then we can continue.

Yet you did not say what groups those are...
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User: "Raymond E. Griffith"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 11 Apr 2004 09:55:18 PM
in article CuKdnRWQr7LUTOXdRVn-uw@comcast.com, GOP at

wrote on 4/11/04 1:06 AM:


"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@sneakemail.com> wrote

"JTEM" <

> wrote

....and the age of consent in Japan is 13.

Obviously, you wouldn't want the U.S. to adopt the Japanese
approach, so it would be best for your own argument if you
did not pretend otherwise.


The age of consent only deals with legal issues.


No, the age of consent demonstrates that Japanese society is very
different from the U.S., at least as far as sex goes.

You were comparing apples to oranges, dishonestly as is your
usual.

What happens in Japanese schools is not isolated. It occurs in
a social context, a social context very different from our own.

I cannot comment on the dishonesty you accuse Scout Lady of, however I can
very much agree with your analysis that the teaching of sex education in
Japanese schools occurs within their cultural context. Outside of that
cultural context, the same activities would not produce the same results.
There is an almost fanatical reverence for family among the Oriental. Such
reverence is demonstrated in the animistic ancestor worship one finds in
that culture. Despite the Westernization suffered by Japan, Korea, and China
the last few decades, their family structures and social structures are
still much more rigidly defined than our own. In the United States and much
of Europe, people create or carve out their own niche in society. Social
structures are relatively plastic, and upwardly mobile people can be
accepted by the upper classes (to a point), and downwardly mobile people are
assimilated into the social and financial classes they descend to.
But in Japan, as well as in the rest of the orient, social mobility is a
very *new* and *limited* phenomena. People grow up knowing their place and
position in society. There is little incentive to break societal norms or to
move beyond one's class -- class structures are not plastic enough to accept
newcomers. One's niche has been relatively predetermined, unless a person is
foolish enough to throw it all away (in which case nobody will accept them).
It is noteworthy that as oriental cultures have become increasingly
westernized, there has been a corresponding increase in the rate of suicide
(if I remember correctly).
The US has a much greater emphasis on *play* as opposed to work, and on
*privileges* as opposed to responsibility, and on *pleasure* as opposed to
duty. The US has an increasingly extended view of childhood (sometimes
lasting into the 30's!), and does its best to absolve laggards of
responsibility for their behavior. Such things do not happen in the orient,
where personal responsibility and honor is stressed above all.
How does this play into the idea of sexuality, sex education, and teenage
pregnancies? Most young people have a highly developed sense of their own
place in the world, and think much more highly of their families than do
young people in the West. The stigma of an unmarried pregnancy is much
higher in the orient than in the West.
So teenage pregnancies are much rarer in Japan than in the West. From simply
a social standpoint, this is understandable and explainable -- and sex
education in the public schools and how they do it really means next to
nothing as far as implications for other cultures, including our own. The
real story is that unless we strengthen the family unit and society as a
whole regards teenage pregnancy as a horrible thing then we will make little
or no progress against it.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
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User: "Lord Calvert"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 12 Apr 2004 12:22:23 PM

So teenage pregnancies are much rarer in Japan than in the West. From simply
a social standpoint, this is understandable and explainable -- and sex
education in the public schools and how they do it really means next to
nothing as far as implications for other cultures, including our own. The
real story is that unless we strengthen the family unit and society as a
whole regards teenage pregnancy as a horrible thing then we will make little
or no progress against it.

And one important question that you left out is precisely how this is to be
accomplished. There are two principal methods: enforcing such belief by the
authority of government or enforcing such belief by experience and positive
example. If you try to enforce such belief by utilizing the State, as the
Religious Right in the US continually try to do, it shows that they are
unwilling or unable to do so by example.
It is no coincidence that the groups which (for example) want to have universal
governmental power over marriage in order to strengthen the family, come from
the regions, religious and socio-economic groups which have the highest divorce
rates. It is white, southern, fundamentalist people who are the biggest
supporters of increased governmental regulation of marriage but it is also they
who divorce most often. This shows that they lack the moral authority to be a
positive example to the rest of Americans so instead they attempt to usurp the
power of the State in order to compel adherence to their ideals.
In the old days we used to call such people Communists. Now we call them
Republicans.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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User: "Raymond E. Griffith"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 12 Apr 2004 03:51:57 PM
in article 20040412132223.18922.00000261@mb-m23.aol.com, Lord Calvert at
forlornh@aol.complicated wrote on 4/12/04 1:22 PM:

So teenage pregnancies are much rarer in Japan than in the West. From simply
a social standpoint, this is understandable and explainable -- and sex
education in the public schools and how they do it really means next to
nothing as far as implications for other cultures, including our own. The
real story is that unless we strengthen the family unit and society as a
whole regards teenage pregnancy as a horrible thing then we will make little
or no progress against it.


And one important question that you left out is precisely how this is to be
accomplished. There are two principal methods: enforcing such belief by the
authority of government or enforcing such belief by experience and positive
example. If you try to enforce such belief by utilizing the State, as the
Religious Right in the US continually try to do, it shows that they are
unwilling or unable to do so by example.

I completely agree with you.
My pastor was considering the circulation of a petition sent to him for
amending the constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman
only. I told him that I was against such an amendment. When he asked why, I
told him that this was not the business of government so much, and certainly
the force of government should not be a vehicle for promoting Christianity.
He was rather shocked at this. He then protested that we needed to defend
marriage. I told him that if this was his goal, then Christians could do
this by building their marriages, eliminating divorce among their ranks, and
eliminating all immorality among those who pastor churches.
I find it immensely interesting that Paul did not tell Christians to get the
laws of Rome changed in their favor, but rather to live a godly life no
matter what (and a peaceable one, at that!).


It is no coincidence that the groups which (for example) want to have
universal
governmental power over marriage in order to strengthen the family, come from
the regions, religious and socio-economic groups which have the highest
divorce
rates.

Again, I agree entirely.

It is white, southern, fundamentalist people who are the biggest
supporters of increased governmental regulation of marriage but it is also
they
who divorce most often. This shows that they lack the moral authority to be a
positive example to the rest of Americans so instead they attempt to usurp the
power of the State in order to compel adherence to their ideals.

Fundamentalism actually lacks a moral imperative. They not only believe that
they have divine Truth, but that they have it All and understand it
perfectly. Those who disagree with them are not disagreeing with them, "but
with the plainly-stated divinely inspired Word of God" (despite the fact
that they may be asserting things clearly false and/or doctrines never held
by any in the Church before). Still, they believe that they *have* the
Truth, that God is on their side, and they further believe that God is
intolerant toward all those who do not possess their understanding.
The difficulty is that many fundamentalists believe that *knowing* the truth
will set them free -- not necessarily *doing* the truth. And since
"knowledge puffeth up", they certainly are inflated with a sense of
self-importance.


In the old days we used to call such people Communists. Now we call them
Republicans.

It is my considered opinion that Republicans have tried their best to
capture fundamentalism within their ranks and use the voting block to their
advantage. But I do not believe that the Powers That Be among Republicans
are fundamentalists. I do think the PTB are very much interested in personal
power, however.
And yes, Communism would fit fundamentalism well, so long as it was a
religious dictatorship. Perhaps it would be better entitled "the American
Taliban", though? Certainly fundamentalists are not very much in favor of
extending rights to others. Those who do not have their own vision and
judgment are just unworthy. They do try to cloak their disdain in charity,
however. The poor blinded fools would vote themselves to death if they got
the chance. We can't give it to them.
You may have surmised that I am a Christian. I am. I am no longer a
fundamentalist, however.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith



Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use

"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson

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User: "Daniel Horn"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 10 Apr 2004 12:04:32 PM
Scout Lady wrote:

"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:40780255.1F27B4F4@Horn.uk...


Yes, I want explicit sexual education to protect our teens from
teen pregnancy and STDs, the countries that do teach explicit
sexual education have very low teen pregnancy, and very high
virginity rates. Why do you want to harm our youths?

http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/mirror/unicef/inbirth.htm

I am not opposed to sex education in the schools however I want to point out
that Japan has the lowest teen pregnancy rate and lowest rate of STD's and
their sex education is something like they taught here in the US in the
1950's. Education is good but it is the values, expectations and goals set
in the home that influence a child more than a million classes on protecting
oneself from unwanted pregnancy and STD's.

Well I am sure that is the case on planet La La where you live,
but back on earth in the real world, education and the teaching
of respect for self and others is taught society wide in Japan.
They do not candy coat their sexual education. You want to
have it left to the American parent that spends 3-5 minutes
of one on one quality time with their child a day and their
thought of a quality sexual education is telling them,
Just don't do it (Bob Dole). Then you lot wonder why the USA
is dead last in protecting their teens from teen pregnancy.
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_1/m0999/7238_320/61635295/p1/article.jhtml?term=teen+pregnancy+rates
http://www.texnews.com/texas97/preg122397.html
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User: "Scout Lady"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 10 Apr 2004 07:59:17 PM
"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:407826AF.28D3D0D0@Horn.uk...



Scout Lady wrote:

"Daniel Horn" <Daniel@Horn.uk> wrote in message
news:40780255.1F27B4F4@Horn.uk...


Yes, I want explicit sexual education to protect our teens from
teen pregnancy and STDs, the countries that do teach explicit
sexual education have very low teen pregnancy, and very high
virginity rates. Why do you want to harm our youths?

http://www.lysator.liu.se/nordic/mirror/unicef/inbirth.htm

I am not opposed to sex education in the schools however I want to point

out

that Japan has the lowest teen pregnancy rate and lowest rate of STD's

and

their sex education is something like they taught here in the US in the
1950's. Education is good but it is the values, expectations and goals

set

in the home that influence a child more than a million classes on

protecting

oneself from unwanted pregnancy and STD's.


Well I am sure that is the case on planet La La where you live,
but back on earth in the real world, education and the teaching
of respect for self and others is taught society wide in Japan.
They do not candy coat their sexual education.

Really, they still separate girls from boys in parts of Japan during sex ed.
They do not teach how to use a condom in many of the countries schools.

You want to
have it left to the American parent that spends 3-5 minutes
of one on one quality time with their child a day and their
thought of a quality sexual education is telling them,
Just don't do it (Bob Dole). Then you lot wonder why the USA
is dead last in protecting their teens from teen pregnancy.

Yes, often asserted but it has not been my experience that any parents I
know spend just 3-5 minutes of quality time with their children on a daily
basis. Of course "quality time is usually restricted to whatever the person
making the assertion feels is a quality issue. You also present a false
dictomony because it is possible (and again in my experience very probable)
that parents try to steer their children towards abstinance while at the
same time making sure they have the info they need to protect themselves
from an unplanned pregnancy and/or STD's. The US has a teen pregnancy
problem for numerous reasons, one being that we bombard teens with sexual
imagery within our culture.


http://www.findarticles.com/cf_1/m0999/7238_320/61635295/p1/article.jhtml?te
rm=teen+pregnancy+rates




http://www.texnews.com/texas97/preg122397.html


In Japan sex education is focused almost exclusively on the biology of the
reproductive system. Boys and girls are often separated during sex education
classes, and sometimes boys don't have to attend at all. However, it is
crucial to educate boys, as paragraph 278(c) of FWCW PFA urges, in order to
promote their understanding of their roles and responsibilities in promoting
women's health and preventing unwanted pregnancy, maternal mortality and
transmission of sexually-transmitted diseases including HIV/AIDS.
http://tinyurl.com/yv7fj
Japan has the world's lowest rate of teenage pregnancies (1 percent) as well
as the lowest infant mortality rates. The U.S. average teenage pregnancy
rate, in contrast, is 14 percent. Reducing the teenage pregnancy rate in the
United States will significantly reduce the number of low-birth-weight
infants and drop infant mortality rates dramatically, too.
http://tinyurl.com/382n5
It is a shame you are unable to have a discussion without resorting to ad
hominem like "Well I am sure that is the case on planet La La where you
live, but back on earth in the real world". You pointed to articles that
proclaim the sex ed is great and I don't disagree with that at all, I
disagree that sex ed is the answer, it is only a small part of the answer.
I wish it were a matter of increasing sexual education to eliminate teenage
pregnancy and STD's but sex ed is only part of the answer. Birth control
doesn't work if it is not used everytime and unfortunately teens can not
always be counted on to be responsible. I have worked with teens that have
access and adequate education on pregnancy prevention as well as protecting
themselves from STD's given along with condoms, the pill, etc. only to see
that a few months later they return with an unplanned pregnancy or are
afraid they have contracted a STD. They are not anymore immune to
spontaneity than some adults are, and it is very naive to assume that more
sex ed will change human nature. The best sex ed program in the world will
not work if the info given is not put into use.
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Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 11 Apr 2004 06:23:54 PM
"Scout Lady" <yi2zcj02@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:c5a61d$2no242$6@ID-87237.news.uni-berlin.de...

The US has a teen pregnancy
problem for numerous reasons, one being that we bombard teens with sexual
imagery within our culture.

Other Industrial countries also bombard their kids with sexual imagery. Have
you seen all the Japanese cartoons that never make it to Cartoon Network?
Yang
.

User: "Matt"

Title: Re: "*****" Cheney 11 Apr 2004 10:03:16 AM

I wish it were a matter of increasing sexual education to eliminate teenage
pregnancy and STD's but sex ed is only part of the answer. Birth control
doesn't work if it is not used everytime and unfortunately teens can not
always be counted on to be responsible. I have worked with teens that have
access and adequate education on pregnancy prevention as well as protecting
themselves from STD's given along with condoms, the pill, etc. only to see
that a few months later they return with an unplanned pregnancy or are
afraid they have contracted a STD. They are not anymore immune to
spontaneity than some adults are, and it is very naive to assume that more
sex ed will change human nature. The best sex ed program in the world will
not work if the info given is not put into use.

Agreed, however, unfortunately there is a safety net and excuse system
when teens get pregnant. How does this happen? because right from day
one we have parents who blame everyone else for their problems, their
children see that and emulate it out in the real world. Instead of teens
taking responsibility for their action, they blame everyone else.
Remove the blame industry, start teaching responsibility for ones
actions from a *VERY* early age (as soon as they're old enough to talk)
and you'll find that when they reach their teens, they'll take a more
responsible attitude to not only sex but other important attitudes in
their lives.
Sure, I did some stupid things in my teens and yonger but I NEVER blamed
anyone for what happened. I made the decision and I accepted the
consequences; I broke a window at home when I was young (around 13 years
old), I took responsibility for it by cleaning up the mess and paying
$50 to mum and dad, out of my paper round money, to pay for the repair
of the Window. How many parents do that?
Matt
--
http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgarnz
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Atheism is a non-prophet organisation"
"Baldrick, you are as thick as some extra-clotted clotted
cream that has been left out in the rain by some clot, so
much that you couldn't unclot it with an electric
declotter." - Edmund Blackadder
"I have a plan so cunning you could put a tail on it and
call it a weasel!" - Edmund Blackadder
.






User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: A bad look at the right 08 Apr 2004 10:18:57 PM
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
One wonders why it's necessary to lie about and distort people's
statements. After all, if these people really are as bad as you claim
then why don't you just provide their words in context and unaltered?
For example:

"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren will
get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms

The actual quote:
Not me, I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the Good
Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get
AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.
And while right-wing screechers are outraged at Totenberg supposedly
wishing death on Helms (which she obviously did not) and are willing
to repeat the lie time and time again, Totenberg was doing nothing
more than commenting on Helms' opposition to AIDS research.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.
User: "Xomicron"

Title: Re: A good look at the Left 09 Apr 2004 07:46:56 AM
(Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c554n0$d3m$1@bolt.sonic.net:

Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:

One wonders why it's necessary to lie about and distort people's
statements. After all, if these people really are as bad as you claim
then why don't you just provide their words in context and unaltered?

For example:

"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren will
get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms


The actual quote:
Not me, I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the
Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get
AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.

And while right-wing screechers are outraged at Totenberg supposedly
wishing death on Helms (which she obviously did not) and are willing
to repeat the lie time and time again, Totenberg was doing nothing
more than commenting on Helms' opposition to AIDS research.

Stop lying Ray. It's well known you support the deaths of conservatives.
.
User: "Gomez Addams"

Title: Re: A good look at the Left 09 Apr 2004 08:36:21 AM
"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:Xns94C65959998DDxomicron@0.0.0.3...

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c554n0$d3m$1@bolt.sonic.net:

Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:

One wonders why it's necessary to lie about and distort people's
statements. After all, if these people really are as bad as you claim
then why don't you just provide their words in context and unaltered?

For example:

"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren will
get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms


The actual quote:
Not me, I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the
Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get
AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.

And while right-wing screechers are outraged at Totenberg supposedly
wishing death on Helms (which she obviously did not) and are willing
to repeat the lie time and time again, Totenberg was doing nothing
more than commenting on Helms' opposition to AIDS research.


Stop lying Ray. It's well known you support the deaths of conservatives.

I know Jesse Helms a little bit and the only thing I can see that's
wrong with him is that he =used= to be a racist, and he is a nominal
Freemason. We really disagree on Masonry!!!!!!
.
User: "Xomicron"

Title: Re: A good look at the Left 09 Apr 2004 10:13:12 AM
"Gomez Addams" <GomezzAddams@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:pFxdc.1650$l75.811@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:Xns94C65959998DDxomicron@0.0.0.3...

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c554n0$d3m$1@bolt.sonic.net:

Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:

One wonders why it's necessary to lie about and distort people's
statements. After all, if these people really are as bad as you
claim then why don't you just provide their words in context and
unaltered?

For example:

"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren
will get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms


The actual quote:
Not me, I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in
the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice,
he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren
will get it.

And while right-wing screechers are outraged at Totenberg supposedly
wishing death on Helms (which she obviously did not) and are willing
to repeat the lie time and time again, Totenberg was doing nothing
more than commenting on Helms' opposition to AIDS research.


Stop lying Ray. It's well known you support the deaths of
conservatives.


I know Jesse Helms a little bit and the only thing I can see that's
wrong with him is that he =used= to be a racist, and he is a nominal
Freemason. We really disagree on Masonry!!!!!!

What do you have against bricks?
.

User: "Tiger"

Title: Re: A good look at the Left 09 Apr 2004 08:37:10 AM
"Gomez Addams" <GomezzAddams@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:pFxdc.1650$l75.811@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:

"Xomicron" <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote in message
news:Xns94C65959998DDxomicron@0.0.0.3...

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in
news:c554n0$d3m$1@bolt.sonic.net:

Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:

One wonders why it's necessary to lie about and distort
people's statements. After all, if these people really are as
bad as you claim then why don't you just provide their words in
context and unaltered?

For example:

"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his
grandchildren will get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse
Helms


The actual quote:
Not me, I think he ought to be worried about what's going
on in the Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive
justice, he'll get AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his
grandchildren will get it.

And while right-wing screechers are outraged at Totenberg
supposedly wishing death on Helms (which she obviously did not)
and are willing to repeat the lie time and time again,
Totenberg was doing nothing more than commenting on Helms'
opposition to AIDS research.


Stop lying Ray. It's well known you support the deaths of
conservatives.

I know Jesse Helms a little bit and the only thing I can see
that's
wrong with him is that he =used= to be a racist, and he is a
nominal Freemason. We really disagree on Masonry!!!!!!

Fraud.
--
Tiger
[Insert humorous, clever or profound quote here]
.


User: "Ray Fischer"

Title: Re: A good look at the Left 09 Apr 2004 10:41:26 PM
Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:

rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in

Xomicron <xomicron@wp.pl> wrote:
One wonders why it's necessary to lie about and distort people's
statements. After all, if these people really are as bad as you claim
then why don't you just provide their words in context and unaltered?

For example:

"If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren will
get it."
--National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms


The actual quote:
Not me, I think he ought to be worried about what's going on in the
Good Lord's mind, because if there is retributive justice, he'll get
AIDS from a transfusion, or one of his grandchildren will get it.

And while right-wing screechers are outraged at Totenberg supposedly
wishing death on Helms (which she obviously did not) and are willing
to repeat the lie time and time again, Totenberg was doing nothing
more than commenting on Helms' opposition to AIDS research.


Stop lying Ray. It's well known you support the deaths of conservatives.

More of the screeching hate which has become so common with the
fanatical right-wing.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
.




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