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19 Oct 2007 04:39:56 PM |
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A Hard Lesson For The Pakistani. |
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
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| User: "Josef Balluch" |
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| Title: Re: A Hard Lesson For The Pakistani. |
19 Oct 2007 04:47:10 PM |
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"vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote in
news:1192829996.926160.119530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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19 Oct 2007 05:05:45 PM |
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In article <1192829996.926160.119530@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "vivapadrepio@aol.com" <vivapadrepio@aol.com> writes:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
Oh? So THAT explains it.
Well then, hen may we expect similar horrific violence in Finland, East Germany,
Burundi, Nicaragua, Chile, Switzerland, Ecuador, Argentina, Ireland,
Bolivia, India. Panama, and Iceland?
-- cary
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| User: "skyeyes" |
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19 Oct 2007 06:52:33 PM |
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On Oct 19, 3:05 pm, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1192829996.926160.119...@q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com> "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com> writes:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
Oh? So THAT explains it.
Well then, hen may we expect similar horrific violence in Finland, East Germany,
Burundi, Nicaragua, Chile, Switzerland, Ecuador, Argentina, Ireland,
Bolivia, India. Panama, and Iceland?
Sure. Just not in Trinidad&Tobago, Fiji, France, Brazil, Sweden-
Norway-Denmark, China, Japan, Korea or Uruguay.
*Especially* not un Uruguay!
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes at dakotacom dot net
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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| Title: A Hate Lesson For The Pakistani. (was: Re: A Hard Lesson For The Pakistani.) |
20 Oct 2007 09:24:26 PM |
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Last time that great scribe <>
chipped away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
Wrong subject title.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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20 Oct 2007 09:09:42 PM |
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Last time that great scribe <>
chipped away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
Are you saying that Benazir brought about the the attempt against her by
not being modest? You'd be the sort of guy who would blame gays when
they are assaulted.
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apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: A Hard Lesson For The Pakistani. |
23 Oct 2007 12:18:14 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:39:56 -0700, "vivapadrepio@aol.com"
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
GEN 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.
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The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Kill Filed by David Morgan, and his Mam.
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| User: "" |
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23 Oct 2007 03:36:10 PM |
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On 23-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:39:56 -0700, "vivapadrepio@aol.com"
<vivapadrepio@aol.com> wrote:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
GEN 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
created he him; male and female created he them.
Yeah, we keep telling them thattheir religion *contradicts* ours,
and not, as they keep bizarrely claiming "fulfills" it, but they
refuse to understand this simple fact.
Susan
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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19 Oct 2007 07:50:02 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:39:56 -0700, wrote:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths due
to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct, with
modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits women
who profess reverence for God, with good deeds.
<SNIP>
You think the Taliban tried to assassinate the former PM over her dress?
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace
alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing
it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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20 Oct 2007 09:11:23 PM |
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Last time that great scribe Mark K. Bilbo <gmail@com.mkbilbo> chipped
away at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
On Fri, 19 Oct 2007 14:39:56 -0700, wrote:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths due
to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct, with
modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits women
who profess reverence for God, with good deeds.
<SNIP>
You think the Taliban tried to assassinate the former PM over her dress?
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
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Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
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22 Oct 2007 09:56:56 AM |
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On 20-Oct-2007, Meteorite Debris <epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au> wrote:
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
Must be the weird spin they put on it, because Torah isn't like that.
Susan
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2007 10:20:59 AM |
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On 22 okt, 16:56, wrote:
On 20-Oct-2007, Meteorite Debris <epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au> wrote:
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
Must be the weird spin they put on it, because Torah isn't like that.
Susan
Actually destroying Buddha statues is quite in line with the Torah,
(carved images, you know)
And genocide because of women seducing israelites to commit idolatry,
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
But the fuzz about womens clothing is primarily Paul's (Saul of
Tarsus's) doing.
Muhammed only told them "not to show more than is customary"
which doesn't mean much at a Nudist's beach.
Some evil atheist snipped the bible quote!
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct, with
modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits women
who profess reverence for God, with good deeds.
Your friendly evil atheist
Peter van Velzen
October 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2007 01:36:20 PM |
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On 22-Oct-2007, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On 22 okt, 16:56, wrote:
On 20-Oct-2007, Meteorite Debris <epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au>
wrote:
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support
the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
Must be the weird spin they put on it, because Torah isn't like that.
Susan
Actually destroying Buddha statues is quite in line with the Torah,
(carved images, you know)
And this is what I mean.
It is NOT in Torah.
We are not supposed to destroy something other peopl worship;
we are only just not supposed to do it ourselves.
"Thou shalt not mke unto thee any graven image".
NOT "Thou shalt run around destroying everyone else's graven images."
Now, if you are sacrificing your babies to Buddha, or making people
prostitute themselves out in Buddha's name, THEN we have a problem.
And genocide because of women seducing israelites to commit idolatry,
You DO realize that this is just Biblical-era talk for "warfare", right?
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
But the fuzz about womens clothing is primarily Paul's (Saul of
Tarsus's) doing.
Which has nothing to do with Torah.
Susan
Muhammed only told them "not to show more than is customary"
which doesn't mean much at a Nudist's beach.
Some evil atheist snipped the bible quote!
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct, with
modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits women
who profess reverence for God, with good deeds.
Your friendly evil atheist
Peter van Velzen
October 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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22 Oct 2007 04:21:54 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, wrote:
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
Look up Amalek, in your bible.
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The spelling like any opinion stated here
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Kill Filed by David Morgan, and his Mam.
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| User: "" |
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22 Oct 2007 10:46:39 PM |
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On 22-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, wrote:
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
Look up Amalek, in your bible.
Good, then he was wrong, because that was definitely much
longer than 360 years ago.
Susan
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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23 Oct 2007 12:40:24 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:46:39 GMT, wrote:
On 22-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, wrote:
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
Look up Amalek, in your bible.
Good, then he was wrong, because that was definitely much
longer than 360 years ago.
I can only assume that you have some reading comprehension
difficulties, so I will try to explain it to you.
He was referring to this:
Exodus 17:13-16
13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek and his people with the edge of the
sword.
14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book,
and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the
remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:
16 For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have
war with Amalek from generation to generation.
And to this, some 360 years later:
1 Samuel 15:2-3
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to
Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from
Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and
spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox
and sheep, camel and *****.
Now if English also causes you a problem, please tell me which
language you would prefer it in; I am sure I can find it on the web,
and accommodate you.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Kill Filed by David Morgan, and his Mam.
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23 Oct 2007 03:34:56 PM |
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On 23-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:46:39 GMT, wrote:
On 22-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, wrote:
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
Look up Amalek, in your bible.
Good, then he was wrong, because that was definitely much
longer than 360 years ago.
I can only assume that you have some reading comprehension
You canonly assume this is you, yourself, have that problem.
difficulties, so I will try to explain it to you.
He was referring to this:
Exodus 17:13-16
13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek
Which was not only not "360 years ago", it was not as he described it.
Thanks for proving me correct - have a nice day!
Susan
and his people with the edge of the
sword.
14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book,
and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the
remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:
16 For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have
war with Amalek from generation to generation.
And to this, some 360 years later:
1 Samuel 15:2-3
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to
Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from
Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and
spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox
and sheep, camel and *****.
Now if English also causes you a problem, please tell me which
language you would prefer it in; I am sure I can find it on the web,
and accommodate you.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Kill Filed by David Morgan, and his Mam.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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23 Oct 2007 06:08:25 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:34:56 GMT, wrote:
On 23-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:46:39 GMT, wrote:
On 22-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, wrote:
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
Look up Amalek, in your bible.
Good, then he was wrong, because that was definitely much
longer than 360 years ago.
I can only assume that you have some reading comprehension
You canonly assume this is you, yourself, have that problem.
difficulties, so I will try to explain it to you.
He was referring to this:
Exodus 17:13-16
13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek
Which was not only not "360 years ago", it was not as he described it.
Thanks for proving me correct - have a nice day!
Susan
Is that your best effort, taking a line out of context, and ignoring
the rest?
Ah well, what else should I expect?
and his people with the edge of the
sword.
14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book,
and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the
remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:
16 For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have
war with Amalek from generation to generation.
And to this, some 360 years later:
1 Samuel 15:2-3
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to
Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from
Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and
spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox
and sheep, camel and *****.
Now if English also causes you a problem, please tell me which
language you would prefer it in; I am sure I can find it on the web,
and accommodate you.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Kill Filed by David Morgan, and his Mam.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Kill Filed by David Morgan, and his Mam.
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23 Oct 2007 09:58:11 PM |
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On 23-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 20:34:56 GMT, wrote:
On 23-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:46:39 GMT, wrote:
On 22-Oct-2007, Dubh Ghall <puck@pooks.hill.fey> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, wrote:
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
Look up Amalek, in your bible.
Good, then he was wrong, because that was definitely much
longer than 360 years ago.
I can only assume that you have some reading comprehension
You canonly assume this is you, yourself, have that problem.
difficulties, so I will try to explain it to you.
He was referring to this:
Exodus 17:13-16
13 And Joshua discomfited Amalek
Which was not only not "360 years ago", it was not as he described it.
Thanks for proving me correct - have a nice day!
Susan
Is that your best effort, taking a line out of context, and ignoring
the rest?
And when did you stop beating your wife?
Ah well, what else should I expect?
No, you shouldn't expect anyone to dignify your nonsense with any more than
that.
and his people with the edge of the
sword.
14 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write this for a memorial in a book,
and rehearse it in the ears of Joshua: for I will utterly put out the
remembrance of Amalek from under heaven.
15 And Moses built an altar, and called the name of it Jehovahnissi:
16 For he said, Because the LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have
war with Amalek from generation to generation.
And to this, some 360 years later:
1 Samuel 15:2-3
2 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to
Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from
Egypt.
3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and
spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox
and sheep, camel and *****.
Now if English also causes you a problem, please tell me which
language you would prefer it in; I am sure I can find it on the web,
and accommodate you.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Kill Filed by David Morgan, and his Mam.
--
The spelling like any opinion stated here
is purely my own
#162 BAAWA Knight.
Kill Filed by David Morgan, and his Mam.
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22 Oct 2007 01:55:52 PM |
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, in alt.atheism
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote in <E46Ti.2308$_64.187@trnddc02>:
On 22-Oct-2007, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On 22 okt, 16:56, wrote:
On 20-Oct-2007, Meteorite Debris <epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au>
wrote:
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support
the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
Must be the weird spin they put on it, because Torah isn't like that.
Susan
Actually destroying Buddha statues is quite in line with the Torah,
(carved images, you know)
And this is what I mean.
It is NOT in Torah.
We are not supposed to destroy something other peopl worship;
we are only just not supposed to do it ourselves.
"Thou shalt not mke unto thee any graven image".
NOT "Thou shalt run around destroying everyone else's graven images."
Now, if you are sacrificing your babies to Buddha, or making people
prostitute themselves out in Buddha's name, THEN we have a problem.
And genocide because of women seducing israelites to commit idolatry,
You DO realize that this is just Biblical-era talk for "warfare", right?
Rape is warfare by other means?
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
But the fuzz about womens clothing is primarily Paul's (Saul of
Tarsus's) doing.
Which has nothing to do with Torah.
Susan
Muhammed only told them "not to show more than is customary"
which doesn't mean much at a Nudist's beach.
Some evil atheist snipped the bible quote!
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct, with
modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits women
who profess reverence for God, with good deeds.
Your friendly evil atheist
Peter van Velzen
October 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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22 Oct 2007 10:46:02 PM |
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On 22-Oct-2007, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, in alt.atheism
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote in <E46Ti.2308$_64.187@trnddc02>:
On 22-Oct-2007, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On 22 okt, 16:56, wrote:
On 20-Oct-2007, Meteorite Debris <epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au>
wrote:
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support
the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
Must be the weird spin they put on it, because Torah isn't like that.
Susan
Actually destroying Buddha statues is quite in line with the Torah,
(carved images, you know)
And this is what I mean.
It is NOT in Torah.
We are not supposed to destroy something other peopl worship;
we are only just not supposed to do it ourselves.
"Thou shalt not mke unto thee any graven image".
NOT "Thou shalt run around destroying everyone else's graven images."
Now, if you are sacrificing your babies to Buddha, or making people
prostitute themselves out in Buddha's name, THEN we have a problem.
I accept your confession that you were wrong.
And genocide because of women seducing israelites to commit idolatry,
You DO realize that this is just Biblical-era talk for "warfare", right?
Rape is warfare by other means?
Are you seriously gong to tell me that in primitive times no one
*ever* did anything like this, and that somehow it's being
acknowledged in Torah - with an attempt to limit it!! - somehow
makes it all Judaism's fault???
But I do accept your tacit confession - by way of shifting the
focus of the discussion - that I am correct that you were wrong
about youroriginal contention.
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
No answer?
Okay.
But the fuzz about womens clothing is primarily Paul's (Saul of
Tarsus's) doing.
Which has nothing to do with Torah.
I accept your confession that you were wrong.
Susan
Susan
Muhammed only told them "not to show more than is customary"
which doesn't mean much at a Nudist's beach.
Some evil atheist snipped the bible quote!
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with
modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women
who profess reverence for God, with good deeds.
Your friendly evil atheist
Peter van Velzen
October 2007
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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23 Oct 2007 04:21:12 PM |
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:46:02 GMT, in alt.atheism
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote in <_7eTi.4759$MV4.196@trnddc03>:
On 22-Oct-2007, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, in alt.atheism
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote in <E46Ti.2308$_64.187@trnddc02>:
On 22-Oct-2007, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On 22 okt, 16:56, wrote:
On 20-Oct-2007, Meteorite Debris <epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au>
wrote:
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support
the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
Must be the weird spin they put on it, because Torah isn't like that.
Susan
Actually destroying Buddha statues is quite in line with the Torah,
(carved images, you know)
And this is what I mean.
It is NOT in Torah.
We are not supposed to destroy something other peopl worship;
we are only just not supposed to do it ourselves.
"Thou shalt not mke unto thee any graven image".
NOT "Thou shalt run around destroying everyone else's graven images."
Now, if you are sacrificing your babies to Buddha, or making people
prostitute themselves out in Buddha's name, THEN we have a problem.
I accept your confession that you were wrong.
Pay attention to who responds to what. I hadn't said anything about
this, so I have no idea why you would jump to the conclusion that my
silence here is an admission of error.
And genocide because of women seducing israelites to commit idolatry,
You DO realize that this is just Biblical-era talk for "warfare", right?
Rape is warfare by other means?
Are you seriously gong to tell me that in primitive times no one
*ever* did anything like this, and that somehow it's being
acknowledged in Torah - with an attempt to limit it!! - somehow
makes it all Judaism's fault???
I never said anything like it. I do note that the Bible doesn't have a
high standard of treatment of prisoners.
But I do accept your tacit confession - by way of shifting the
focus of the discussion - that I am correct that you were wrong
about youroriginal contention.
What contention do you think I made?
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
No answer?
Okay.
But the fuzz about womens clothing is primarily Paul's (Saul of
Tarsus's) doing.
Which has nothing to do with Torah.
I accept your confession that you were wrong.
Accept it from someone else. I have no idea what you are talking about,
so, of course, I do not accept your characterization. I do not speak for
others.
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23 Oct 2007 10:02:19 PM |
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On 23-Oct-2007, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:46:02 GMT, in alt.atheism
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote in <_7eTi.4759$MV4.196@trnddc03>:
On 22-Oct-2007, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 18:36:20 GMT, in alt.atheism
flaviaR@verizon.net wrote in <E46Ti.2308$_64.187@trnddc02>:
On 22-Oct-2007, "pbamvv@worldonline.nl" <pbamvv@worldonline.nl> wrote:
On 22 okt, 16:56, wrote:
On 20-Oct-2007, Meteorite Debris
<epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au>
wrote:
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to
support
the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
Must be the weird spin they put on it, because Torah isn't like
that.
Susan
Actually destroying Buddha statues is quite in line with the Torah,
(carved images, you know)
And this is what I mean.
It is NOT in Torah.
We are not supposed to destroy something other peopl worship;
we are only just not supposed to do it ourselves.
"Thou shalt not mke unto thee any graven image".
NOT "Thou shalt run around destroying everyone else's graven images."
Now, if you are sacrificing your babies to Buddha, or making people
prostitute themselves out in Buddha's name, THEN we have a problem.
I accept your confession that you were wrong.
Pay attention to who responds to what. I hadn't said anything about
this, so I have no idea why you would jump to the conclusion that my
silence here is an admission of error.
Because when you jump into a conversation & only answer certain
things, but leave then in, obviously you are admitting you can't
refute them. Your best bet would have been to snip them.
And genocide because of women seducing israelites to commit
idolatry,
You DO realize that this is just Biblical-era talk for "warfare",
right?
Rape is warfare by other means?
Are you seriously gong to tell me that in primitive times no one
*ever* did anything like this, and that somehow it's being
acknowledged in Torah - with an attempt to limit it!! - somehow
makes it all Judaism's fault???
I never said anything like it. I do note that the Bible doesn't have a
high standard of treatment of prisoners.
Then you note incorrectly, either through ignorance of the
practices of the day or just plain prejudice.
But I do accept your tacit confession - by way of shifting the
focus of the discussion - that I am correct that you were wrong
about youroriginal contention.
What contention do you think I made?
See above about jumping into a conversation & snipping -
especially when you try to bring up something else.
or for offences commited by ancestors 360 years ago, is also
encouraged.
Again, a total fantasy. 360 years ago??
What on earth are you discussing?
No answer?
Okay.
But the fuzz about womens clothing is primarily Paul's (Saul of
Tarsus's) doing.
Which has nothing to do with Torah.
I accept your confession that you were wrong.
Accept it from someone else. I have no idea what you are talking about,
so, of course, I do not accept your characterization. I do not speak for
others.
Then why were you trying to do so?
Susan
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24 Oct 2007 09:45:50 AM |
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 14:56:56 +0000, flaviaR wrote:
On 20-Oct-2007, Meteorite Debris <epicurusboth@YOUR_SHOESaapt.net.au>
wrote:
Interesting. So you're telling us your bible tells you to support the
Taliban and Al Qaeda?
Read the OT nad you can see the Taliban everywhere in the pages.
Must be the weird spin they put on it, because Torah isn't like that.
It's a weird kind of "presentism". An aspect of that idol worship called
"inerrancy".
I don't know how modern Jews deal with the matter but the ancient history
of the Hebrew was quite violent. But given the time and place, so was
everybody.
But fundamentalists have a real problem with this because the "bible" has
to be absolutely perfect in every way. So they've only got two choices,
either twist things like crazy to come up with why people were acting
more violently than anybody would accept today (so as to excuse it) or
give in to accepting the violence as sanctioned (then they get scary).
I know very little about Judaism so I don't have a clue how modern Jews
frame all this. But I rather doubt they take the example of their distant
ancestors as some unchangeable template for behavior today.
As a former fundamentalist myself, as it recedes further into the
distance, I can't help but find the entire mess increasingly *weird*. The
books called "Old Testament" have a historical and cultural context that
flat doesn't "translate".
My attitude about the problems fundamentalists have with the "old" books
is, "Well, if it's not yours, put it back!"
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who
understand binary and those who don't...
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| User: "carvaka" |
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| Title: Re: A Hard Lesson For The Pakistani. |
19 Oct 2007 09:54:49 PM |
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On Oct 20, 10:39 am, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
So the killings are all her fault, not the fault of people who
actually did it?
Are you a muslim or Christian anyway?
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| User: "john p" |
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| Title: Re: A Hard Lesson For The Pakistani. |
19 Oct 2007 11:13:16 PM |
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On Oct 19, 6:54 pm, carvaka <lokayat...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:39 am, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
So the killings are all her fault, not the fault of people who
actually did it?
Are you a muslim or Christian anyway?
He is Christian.
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| User: "Smiler" |
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20 Oct 2007 08:53:59 PM |
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"john p" <john.phile@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192853596.088506.131880@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 6:54 pm, carvaka <lokayat...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:39 am, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
So the killings are all her fault, not the fault of people who
actually did it?
Are you a muslim or Christian anyway?
He is Christian.
Correction....He CLAIMS to be a Christian.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
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| User: "john p" |
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21 Oct 2007 01:50:25 AM |
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On Oct 20, 5:53 pm, "Smiler" <Smi...@Joe.King.com> wrote:
"john p" <john.ph...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192853596.088506.131880@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 19, 6:54 pm, carvaka <lokayat...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:39 am, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:
Bhutto, coming out of exile with the thought of running the nation of
Pakistan, has brought about the situation of over one hundred deaths
due to massive car bombings. And the violence isn't over yet.
1 Timothy 2: 9-15.
Similarly, too, women should adorn themselves with proper conduct,
with modesty and self-control, not with braided hairstyles and gold
ornaments, or pearls, or expensive clothes, but rather, as befits
women who profess reverence for God, with good deeds. A woman must
receive instruction silently and under complete control. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be
quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. Further, Adam was not
deceived, but the woman was deceived and transgressed. But she will
be saved through motherhood, provided women persevere in faith and
love and holiness, with self-control.
So the killings are all her fault, not the fault of people who
actually did it?
Are you a muslim or Christian anyway?
He is Christian.
Correction....He CLAIMS to be a Christian.
Smiler,
The godless one
a.a.# 2279
Looks like any other believing christian. The christians ruled the
world once before and it is called the dark ages.
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| User: "Meteorite Debris" |
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20 Oct 2007 09:21:24 PM |
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Last time that great scribe john p <john.phile@gmail.com> chipped away
at his/her stone these gems of wisdom for posterity ...
On Oct 19, 6:54 pm, carvaka <lokayat...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 20, 10:39 am, "vivapadre...@aol.com" <vivapadre...@aol.com>
wrote:
So the killings are all her fault, not the fault of people who
actually did it?
Are you a muslim or Christian anyway?
He is Christian.
When you think about it the idea posted by the original poster is a self
fulfilling prophesy.
If, for instance, told everyone that "God hates fags" and will punish
them you could incite enough hatred to cause grief for gays. Then you
can blame the gays and call their trouble was "god's wrath". Or you
identified a racial group as having problems integrating properly you
could set in motion a prejudice that result in them having trouble
integrating and blame the victims. The coup de grace is delivered by
saying "I'm not a racist but........."(fill in anything).
--
Remove both YOUR_SHOES before replying
apatriot #1, atheist #1417,
Chief EAC prophet
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2009
Apatriotism Yahoo Group
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/apatriotism
"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make
you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
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