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User: "stoney"
Date: 08 Mar 2007 07:34:40 PM
Object: A Hole Lot of Trouble
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A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.
Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called “piping.”
Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft’s walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.
Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.
Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a “sinkhole,”
but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in places where
the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble rock, which
dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash. Geologic
maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area of the
cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.
Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala
(and in Florida). It’s uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.
Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio
neighborhood, and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft.
Tom Miller, a geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited
the hole, says that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a
remotely controlled camera to examine the damage, and are currently
attempting to re-route the sewage. “The neighborhood does not smell
pleasant,” Miller says.—Dawn Stover
March 02, 2007 in The Breakdown
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shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
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User: "Smiler"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 09 Mar 2007 08:04:11 PM
"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:abe1v21ahhcq07c2r3m0devdjfhafjsrh1@4ax.com...

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html

A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.

Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called "piping."

Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft's walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.

Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.

Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a "sinkhole,"
but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in places where
the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble rock, which
dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash. Geologic
maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area of the
cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.

Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala
(and in Florida). It's uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.

Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio
neighborhood, and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft.
Tom Miller, a geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited
the hole, says that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a
remotely controlled camera to examine the damage, and are currently
attempting to re-route the sewage. "The neighborhood does not smell
pleasant," Miller says.-Dawn Stover

March 02, 2007 in The Breakdown

Holey *****?
Smiler,
The godless one
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 16 Mar 2007 10:12:13 PM
On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:04:11 GMT, "Smiler" <Smiler@Joe.King.com> wrote
in alt.atheism


"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:abe1v21ahhcq07c2r3m0devdjfhafjsrh1@4ax.com...

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html

[]

Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio
neighborhood, and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft.
Tom Miller, a geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited
the hole, says that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a
remotely controlled camera to examine the damage, and are currently
attempting to re-route the sewage. "The neighborhood does not smell
pleasant," Miller says.-Dawn Stover

March 02, 2007 in The Breakdown


Holey *****?

Gawd SwillŽ
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shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
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User: "Pangur Ban"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 09 Mar 2007 06:18:30 AM
After serious thinking stoney wrote :

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html
A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.
Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called “piping.”
Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft’s walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.
Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.
Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a “sinkhole,”
but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in places where
the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble rock, which
dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash. Geologic
maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area of the
cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.
Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala
(and in Florida). It’s uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.

Some are located east of my home (well over 150 to 200 miles away).
They are in a limestone area which receives much more rain than my
area. They are quite impressive holes. One enormous hole is filled
with the clearest water I think I've ever seen. It is an underground
river which broke to the surface when the limestone collapsed. Divers
are allowed to go in and explore. Scuba diving in the desert! Cool!!

Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio
neighborhood, and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft.
Tom Miller, a geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited
the hole, says that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a
remotely controlled camera to examine the damage, and are currently
attempting to re-route the sewage. “The neighborhood does not smell
pleasant,” Miller says.—Dawn Stover
March 02, 2007 in The Breakdown

--
Pangur Ban
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing" Edmund Burke
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 09 Mar 2007 06:23:24 PM
In article <mn.493e7d73a575788b.64065@worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban <PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

After serious thinking stoney wrote :

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html


A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.


Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called “piping.”


Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft’s walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.


Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.


Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a “sinkhole,”
but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in places where
the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble rock, which
dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash. Geologic
maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area of the
cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.


Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala
(and in Florida). It’s uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.


Some are located east of my home (well over 150 to 200 miles away).
They are in a limestone area which receives much more rain than my
area. They are quite impressive holes. One enormous hole is filled
with the clearest water I think I've ever seen. It is an underground
river which broke to the surface when the limestone collapsed. Divers
are allowed to go in and explore. Scuba diving in the desert! Cool!!

Speaking of sinkholes, have you seen this?
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070308_sinkhole.htm


Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio
neighborhood, and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft.
Tom Miller, a geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited
the hole, says that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a
remotely controlled camera to examine the damage, and are currently
attempting to re-route the sewage. “The neighborhood does not smell
pleasant,” Miller says.—Dawn Stover


March 02, 2007 in The Breakdown

--
John #1782
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 16 Mar 2007 10:11:38 PM
On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:23:24 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism

In article <mn.493e7d73a575788b.64065@worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban <PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

After serious thinking stoney wrote :

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html


A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.


Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called “piping.â€?


Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft’s walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.


Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.


Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a “sinkhole,â€?
but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in places where
the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble rock, which
dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash. Geologic
maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area of the
cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.


Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala
(and in Florida). It’s uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.


Some are located east of my home (well over 150 to 200 miles away).
They are in a limestone area which receives much more rain than my
area. They are quite impressive holes. One enormous hole is filled
with the clearest water I think I've ever seen. It is an underground
river which broke to the surface when the limestone collapsed. Divers
are allowed to go in and explore. Scuba diving in the desert! Cool!!


Speaking of sinkholes, have you seen this?

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070308_sinkhole.htm

No, I hadn't. That's some wild stuff. Thanks.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 17 Mar 2007 01:38:36 AM
In article <t1nmv2d4uaiekepbkepuuo5hja6d63h36c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:23:24 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism

In article <mn.493e7d73a575788b.64065@worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban <PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

After serious thinking stoney wrote :

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html


A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.


Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called “piping.â€?


Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft’s walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are
found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.


Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.


Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a
“sinkhole,â€?
but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in places where
the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble rock, which
dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash. Geologic
maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area of the
cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.


Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala
(and in Florida). It’s uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as
large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.


Some are located east of my home (well over 150 to 200 miles away).
They are in a limestone area which receives much more rain than my
area. They are quite impressive holes. One enormous hole is filled
with the clearest water I think I've ever seen. It is an underground
river which broke to the surface when the limestone collapsed. Divers
are allowed to go in and explore. Scuba diving in the desert! Cool!!


Speaking of sinkholes, have you seen this?

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070308_sinkhole.htm


No, I hadn't. That's some wild stuff. Thanks.

Taht is wild. I wonder what they'll find down there?
--
John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
.
User: "stoney"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 23 Mar 2007 03:19:50 PM
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 23:38:36 -0700, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism

In article <t1nmv2d4uaiekepbkepuuo5hja6d63h36c@4ax.com>,
stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:

On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 16:23:24 -0800, johac
<jhachmann@remove.sbcglobal.net> wrote in alt.atheism

[]

Some are located east of my home (well over 150 to 200 miles away).
They are in a limestone area which receives much more rain than my
area. They are quite impressive holes. One enormous hole is filled
with the clearest water I think I've ever seen. It is an underground
river which broke to the surface when the limestone collapsed. Divers
are allowed to go in and explore. Scuba diving in the desert! Cool!!


Speaking of sinkholes, have you seen this?

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070308_sinkhole.htm


No, I hadn't. That's some wild stuff. Thanks.


Taht is wild. I wonder what they'll find down there?

Davey Jones' locker.
--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.
.



User: "Pangur Ban"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 10 Mar 2007 02:11:28 AM
johac explained on 3/9/2007 :

In article <mn.493e7d73a575788b.64065@worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban <PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

After serious thinking stoney wrote :

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html
A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.


Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called “piping.”


Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft’s walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.
Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.
Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a
“sinkhole,” but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in
places where the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble
rock, which dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash.
Geologic maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area of
the cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.
Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala
(and in Florida). It’s uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.


Some are located east of my home (well over 150 to 200 miles away).
They are in a limestone area which receives much more rain than my
area. They are quite impressive holes. One enormous hole is filled
with the clearest water I think I've ever seen. It is an underground
river which broke to the surface when the limestone collapsed. Divers
are allowed to go in and explore. Scuba diving in the desert! Cool!!

Speaking of sinkholes, have you seen this?
http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070308_sinkhole.htm

Fascinating ... and it triggered a memory. I think the two divers
mentioned (one of whom died) were a part of a documentary I saw about
cave diving - its beauty and its dangers.


Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio
neighborhood, and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft.
Tom Miller, a geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited
the hole, says that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a
remotely controlled camera to examine the damage, and are currently
attempting to re-route the sewage. “The neighborhood does not smell
pleasant,” Miller says.—Dawn Stover
March 02, 2007 in The Breakdown

--
Pangur Ban
"Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a
well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways ......totally
worn-out..... shouting, 'Yeehaw.....what a ride!'"
.
User: "johac"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 10 Mar 2007 06:49:46 PM
In article <mn.50477d7361406e4a.64065@att.net>,
Pangur Ban <Whistleblower@att.net> wrote:

johac explained on 3/9/2007 :

In article <mn.493e7d73a575788b.64065@worldnet.att.net>,
Pangur Ban <PangurBanTheist@worldnet.att.net> wrote:


After serious thinking stoney wrote :

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html
A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.


Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called ⤌piping.â¤ů


Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft⤁s walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.
Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.
Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a
⤌sinkhole,â¤ů but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in
places where the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble
rock, which dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash.
Geologic maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area
of
the cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.
Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala
(and in Florida). It⤁s uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.


Some are located east of my home (well over 150 to 200 miles away).
They are in a limestone area which receives much more rain than my
area. They are quite impressive holes. One enormous hole is filled
with the clearest water I think I've ever seen. It is an underground
river which broke to the surface when the limestone collapsed. Divers
are allowed to go in and explore. Scuba diving in the desert! Cool!!


Speaking of sinkholes, have you seen this?


http://www.world-science.net/othernews/070308_sinkhole.htm


Fascinating ... and it triggered a memory. I think the two divers
mentioned (one of whom died) were a part of a documentary I saw about
cave diving - its beauty and its dangers.

That rings a bell. I think that I may have seen the same documentary
some years ago.



Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio
neighborhood, and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft.
Tom Miller, a geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited
the hole, says that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a
remotely controlled camera to examine the damage, and are currently
attempting to re-route the sewage. ⤌The neighborhood does not smell
pleasant,â¤ů Miller says.⤲Dawn Stover
March 02, 2007 in The Breakdown

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John #1782
"We should always be disposed to believe that which appears to us to be
white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
- Saint Ignatius Loyola (1491-1556) Founder of the Jesuit Order.
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User: "Lars Eighner"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 09 Mar 2007 12:21:02 AM
In our last episode, <abe1v21ahhcq07c2r3m0devdjfhafjsrh1@4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented stoney broadcast on alt.atheism:
Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio neighborhood,
and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft. Tom Miller, a
geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited the hole, says
that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a remotely controlled
camera to examine the damage, and are currently attempting to re-route the
sewage. “The neighborhood does not smell pleasant,” Miller says. But rescue
and repair efforts have been hampered by large crowds of the faithful who
claim to perceive in the outline of the hole the image of the Archangel
Michael leading the Baby Jesus safely through a herd of stampeding camels.
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Lars Eighner <http://larseighner.com/> <http://myspace.com/larseighner>
Countdown: 683 days to go.
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User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 09 Mar 2007 01:13:40 AM
On 09 Mar 2007 06:21:02 GMT, Lars Eighner <usenet@larseighner.com>
wrote:
- Refer: <slrnev1udq.1r0o.usenet@goodwill.larseighner.com>

In our last episode, <abe1v21ahhcq07c2r3m0devdjfhafjsrh1@4ax.com>, the
lovely and talented stoney broadcast on alt.atheism:


Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio neighborhood,
and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft. Tom Miller, a
geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited the hole, says
that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a remotely controlled
camera to examine the damage, and are currently attempting to re-route the
sewage. “The neighborhood does not smell pleasant,” Miller says. But rescue
and repair efforts have been hampered by large crowds of the faithful who
claim to perceive in the outline of the hole the image of the Archangel
Michael leading the Baby Jesus safely through a herd of stampeding camels.

Outlined in holy floating turds, no doubt.
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User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: A Hole Lot of Trouble 08 Mar 2007 08:35:14 PM
On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 17:34:40 -0800, stoney <stoney@the.net> wrote:
- Refer: <abe1v21ahhcq07c2r3m0devdjfhafjsrh1@4ax.com>

http://popsci.typepad.com/popsci/2007/03/a_hole_lot_of_t.html

A father and his two teenage children drowned when this cavernous pit
swallowed up several buildings in the Guatemala City barrio of San
Antonio. The hole, which appeared on February 22, is approximately 100
feet wide and 200 feet deep.

Reeking water, still swirling in the bowels of the hole, offers a
telltale clue to what happened: Sewage flowing from an eight-foot-wide
ruptured sewer main at the bottom of the hole eroded ash and pumice
layers deposited by ancient volcanic eruptions. The leaking liquid
created a shaft that grew upward through the soft ash by a process
called “piping.”

Eventually the shaft became so large that it could no longer support the
upper layers of earth, which abruptly collapsed into the empty space.
Recent rains in Guatemala City probably contributed to the collapse by
weakening the surface soil and adding storm-water runoff to the
percolating sewage.
Ric Finch, a retired Tennessee Technical University geology professor
who has done field studies in northern Central America, has not visited
the site but has examined photos of the collapsed shaft. He says the
shaft’s walls contain easily eroded volcanic materials, which are found
throughout the valley where Guatemala City is located. The shaft may
have developed very rapidly, Finch says.

Where did the eroded materials go? Mostly likely, they were washed
downstream through the partly blocked sewer main, which is more than
eight feet in diameter. The bodies of the two drowned teenagers were
found in a nearby canyon where the sewer system discharges.

Many news accounts have referred to the collapsed shaft as a “sinkhole,”
but that is not the correct term here. Sinkholes form in places where
the underlying layer consists of limestone or other soluble rock, which
dissolves in water rather than simply washing away like ash. Geologic
maps for Guatemala City indicate that any limestone in the area of the
cave-in would be located well underneath the volcanic deposits.

Limestone-associated sinkholes are common in other regions of Guatemala

Not brimstone?
You got Earthquack all excited there!

(and in Florida). It’s uncommon, however, for a sinkhole to be as large
and deep as the Guatemala City pit. Holes in the ground sometimes open
up without warning, but not in this case. Neighbors reportedly heard
noises and felt tremors for weeks before the collapse.

Some 200 residents have been evacuated from the San Antonio
neighborhood, and officials have cordoned off the area around the shaft.
Tom Miller, a geologist at the University of Puerto Rico who has visited
the hole, says that it is slowly enlarging. Officials have used a
remotely controlled camera to examine the damage, and are currently
attempting to re-route the sewage. “The neighborhood does not smell
pleasant,” Miller says.—Dawn Stover

March 02, 2007 in The Breakdown

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