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Religions > Atheism |
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"Aaron Kim" |
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09 Oct 2007 11:28:38 PM |
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A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
Dear Mr. Alamo,
I read your testimony of how you were converted and I have a bone to pick
with you which is very important for your salvation as well as my own. And I
will promise you if I am wrong I will repent and I think if you are wrong
you should repent. You say the prayer below is all that is necessary for a
person's salvation and there is the problem:
"My Lord and my God, have mercy upon my soul, a sinner. 1 I believe that
Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. 2 I believe that He died on the
cross and shed His precious blood for the forgiveness of all my sins. 3 I
believe that God raised Jesus from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit
4 and that He sits on the right hand of God at this moment, hearing my
confession of sin and this prayer. 5 I open up the door of my heart and I
invite You into my heart, Lord Jesus. 6 Wash all of my filthy sins away in
the precious blood that You shed in my place on the cross at Calvary. 7 You
will not turn me away, Lord Jesus, You will forgive my sins and save my
soul. I know because Your Word, the Bible says so. 8 Your Word says that You
will turn no one away, and that includes me. 9 Therefore, I know that You
have heard me, and I know that You have answered me, and I know that I am
saved. 10 And I thank You, Lord Jesus, for saving my soul, and I will show
my thankfulness by doing as You command and sin no more. "
However in order to be saved it takes more than just verbal repentance. Your
doctrine violates the law of God as shown in the scriptures below.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth
not shall be damned.
(Mark 16:16)
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the
gift of the Holy Ghost.
(Acts 2:38)
18 And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the
Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
(Acts 8:18)
14 Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy,
with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery.
(1 Tim 4:14)
So on top of repenting you also have to be baptized in order to be saved.
And you have to have hands laid on your head for the gifts of the Holy Ghost
"of the presbytery". Even devils confess with their mouths, acknowledging
that God exists. I know you have a hundred churches, but what doth it profit
a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul? Where is you
authority? Where is your legal administrator? Paul was directed by Jesus
himself to a legal administrator named Ananias even though he spoke directly
with the Lord in vision. Again where is your Ananias? You have no authority.
I know if you don't respond to this notice it is because you love darkness
rather than light because your deeds are evil as outlined above. Surely,
perverting the way of the Lord is evil, is it not?
20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.
(Isa 8:20)
Sincerely,
Aaron Kim
--
www.artbulla.com
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This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion, revelations of Jesus
Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God, doctrine discussed pertaining
to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non broadcast hours you can
also listen to archived shows.
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26 Even so, come unto me and learn of my ways, and I will give unto you,
even as many as shall come, that peace which surpasseth understanding, and
if ye shall inquire of me concerning these things, will I the Lord manifest
by the influence and power of the Holy Ghost that these things are verily
true and are of me, saith the Lord.
Revelations of Jesus Christ sec. 6:26
Aaron Kim
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| User: "RetroProphet" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
10 Oct 2007 01:17:44 AM |
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In article <5n32nvFfohbcU2@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim says...
Dear Mr. Alamo,
I read your testimony of how you were converted and I have a bone to pick
with you which is very important for your salvation as well as my own. And I
will promise you if I am wrong I will repent and I think if you are wrong
you should repent. You say the prayer below is all that is necessary for a
person's salvation and there is the problem:
"My Lord and my God, have mercy upon my soul, a sinner. 1 I believe that
Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. 2 I believe that He died on the
cross and shed His precious blood for the forgiveness of all my sins. 3 I
believe that God raised Jesus from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit
4 and that He sits on the right hand of God at this moment, hearing my
confession of sin and this prayer. 5 I open up the door of my heart and I
invite You into my heart, Lord Jesus. 6 Wash all of my filthy sins away in
the precious blood that You shed in my place on the cross at Calvary. 7 You
will not turn me away, Lord Jesus, You will forgive my sins and save my
soul. I know because Your Word, the Bible says so. 8 Your Word says that You
will turn no one away, and that includes me. 9 Therefore, I know that You
have heard me, and I know that You have answered me, and I know that I am
saved. 10 And I thank You, Lord Jesus, for saving my soul, and I will show
my thankfulness by doing as You command and sin no more. "
However in order to be saved it takes more than just verbal repentance. Your
doctrine violates the law of God as shown in the scriptures below.
More reading comprehension problems from Bullaville.
Aaron chastises Rev. Alamo for teaching that "the prayer
below is all that is necessary for a person's salvation"
and yet one can plainly see from this page on Alamo's website
that the prayer is only the first of five steps Alamo says
is necessary for salvation:
http://www.alamoministries.com/Gospel_Messages/English/Jesus_Never_Said.html
How is it possible for Aaron to have made such an elementary error?
More mysteriously, how is it possible that the "Holy Ghost"
did not call his attention to the error before Aaron could
launch his presumably inspired rebuke at the good reverend,
allowing it to create the appearance that God's messenger,
from the only source of true doctrine, is a moron?
One would obviously expect better quality control.
Stay tuned for what will no doubt be Aaron's fascinating
and faith-promoting explanation...seems to me the least
he should do is to fulfil his explicit pledge to repent
if he is wrong.
But, I don't expect him to speculate on the mysterious ways
of the Holy Ghost -- he'll only bring up the Holy Ghost
when circumstances are less embarrassing. The Holy Ghost is
only trotted out to support claims that are arguably correct,
never when claims are undeniably incorrect. When you get caught
in a situation like this, human error becomes the explanation.
Perhaps the Holy Ghost was really trying to get Aaron's attention,
but he was busy thinking about something else. Yeah, that's the ticket...
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| User: "Woody Brison" |
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11 Oct 2007 10:06:10 AM |
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On Oct 10, 12:17 am, RetroProphet <RetroProphet_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
In article <5n32nvFfohb...@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim says...
Dear Mr. Alamo,
I read your testimony of how you were converted and I have a bone to pick
with you which is very important for your salvation as well as my own. And I
will promise you if I am wrong I will repent and I think if you are wrong
you should repent. You say the prayer below is all that is necessary for a
person's salvation and there is the problem:
"My Lord and my God, have mercy upon my soul, a sinner. 1 I believe that
Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. 2 I believe that He died on the
cross and shed His precious blood for the forgiveness of all my sins. 3 I
believe that God raised Jesus from the dead by the power of the Holy Spirit
4 and that He sits on the right hand of God at this moment, hearing my
confession of sin and this prayer. 5 I open up the door of my heart and I
invite You into my heart, Lord Jesus. 6 Wash all of my filthy sins away in
the precious blood that You shed in my place on the cross at Calvary. 7 You
will not turn me away, Lord Jesus, You will forgive my sins and save my
soul. I know because Your Word, the Bible says so. 8 Your Word says that You
will turn no one away, and that includes me. 9 Therefore, I know that You
have heard me, and I know that You have answered me, and I know that I am
saved. 10 And I thank You, Lord Jesus, for saving my soul, and I will show
my thankfulness by doing as You command and sin no more. "
However in order to be saved it takes more than just verbal repentance. Your
doctrine violates the law of God as shown in the scriptures below.
More reading comprehension problems from Bullaville.
Aaron chastises Rev. Alamo for teaching that "the prayer
below is all that is necessary for a person's salvation"
and yet one can plainly see from this page on Alamo's website
that the prayer is only the first of five steps Alamo says
is necessary for salvation:
http://www.alamoministries.com/Gospel_Messages/English/Jesus_Never_Sa...
How is it possible for Aaron to have made such an elementary error?
More mysteriously, how is it possible that the "Holy Ghost"
did not call his attention to the error before Aaron could
launch his presumably inspired rebuke at the good reverend,
allowing it to create the appearance that God's messenger,
from the only source of true doctrine, is a moron?
One would obviously expect better quality control.
Stay tuned for what will no doubt be Aaron's fascinating
and faith-promoting explanation...seems to me the least
he should do is to fulfil his explicit pledge to repent
if he is wrong.
But, I don't expect him to speculate on the mysterious ways
of the Holy Ghost -- he'll only bring up the Holy Ghost
when circumstances are less embarrassing. The Holy Ghost is
only trotted out to support claims that are arguably correct,
never when claims are undeniably incorrect. When you get caught
in a situation like this, human error becomes the explanation.
Perhaps the Holy Ghost was really trying to get Aaron's attention,
but he was busy thinking about something else. Yeah, that's the ticket...
Not to rub salt into wounds, but when you've only got
ONE DISCIPLE you have to sort of work with what you've
got, and when your doctrine is so lame it stinks to
high heaven you really have to work hard to hold it
together, and there ARE going to be gaps. To put a
fine point on it, Art and Aaron don't have the gift of
the Holy Ghost. Reality is what it is, and that's
one little detail of reality: they don't have that
gift. To get it, you have to go thru the procedure
that God has ordained to get it. This may seem
amazingly astute, but you laid the groundwork. This
is just polishing the tiles.
Wood
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| User: "Aaron Kim" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
11 Oct 2007 01:01:56 PM |
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"Woody Brison" <woody.brison@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192115170.262086.43960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 10, 12:17 am, RetroProphet <RetroProphet_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
In article <5n32nvFfohb...@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim says...
Dear Mr. Alamo,
I read your testimony of how you were converted and I have a bone to
pick
with you which is very important for your salvation as well as my own.
And I
will promise you if I am wrong I will repent and I think if you are
wrong
you should repent. You say the prayer below is all that is necessary for
a
person's salvation and there is the problem:
"My Lord and my God, have mercy upon my soul, a sinner. 1 I believe that
Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. 2 I believe that He died on
the
cross and shed His precious blood for the forgiveness of all my sins. 3
I
believe that God raised Jesus from the dead by the power of the Holy
Spirit
4 and that He sits on the right hand of God at this moment, hearing my
confession of sin and this prayer. 5 I open up the door of my heart and
I
invite You into my heart, Lord Jesus. 6 Wash all of my filthy sins away
in
the precious blood that You shed in my place on the cross at Calvary. 7
You
will not turn me away, Lord Jesus, You will forgive my sins and save my
soul. I know because Your Word, the Bible says so. 8 Your Word says that
You
will turn no one away, and that includes me. 9 Therefore, I know that
You
have heard me, and I know that You have answered me, and I know that I
am
saved. 10 And I thank You, Lord Jesus, for saving my soul, and I will
show
my thankfulness by doing as You command and sin no more. "
However in order to be saved it takes more than just verbal repentance.
Your
doctrine violates the law of God as shown in the scriptures below.
More reading comprehension problems from Bullaville.
Aaron chastises Rev. Alamo for teaching that "the prayer
below is all that is necessary for a person's salvation"
and yet one can plainly see from this page on Alamo's website
that the prayer is only the first of five steps Alamo says
is necessary for salvation:
http://www.alamoministries.com/Gospel_Messages/English/Jesus_Never_Sa...
How is it possible for Aaron to have made such an elementary error?
More mysteriously, how is it possible that the "Holy Ghost"
did not call his attention to the error before Aaron could
launch his presumably inspired rebuke at the good reverend,
allowing it to create the appearance that God's messenger,
from the only source of true doctrine, is a moron?
One would obviously expect better quality control.
Stay tuned for what will no doubt be Aaron's fascinating
and faith-promoting explanation...seems to me the least
he should do is to fulfil his explicit pledge to repent
if he is wrong.
But, I don't expect him to speculate on the mysterious ways
of the Holy Ghost -- he'll only bring up the Holy Ghost
when circumstances are less embarrassing. The Holy Ghost is
only trotted out to support claims that are arguably correct,
never when claims are undeniably incorrect. When you get caught
in a situation like this, human error becomes the explanation.
Perhaps the Holy Ghost was really trying to get Aaron's attention,
but he was busy thinking about something else. Yeah, that's the ticket...
Not to rub salt into wounds, but when you've only got
ONE DISCIPLE you have to sort of work with what you've
got, and when your doctrine is so lame it stinks to
high heaven you really have to work hard to hold it
together, and there ARE going to be gaps. To put a
fine point on it, Art and Aaron don't have the gift of
the Holy Ghost. Reality is what it is, and that's
one little detail of reality: they don't have that
gift. To get it, you have to go thru the procedure
that God has ordained to get it. This may seem
amazingly astute, but you laid the groundwork. This
is just polishing the tiles.
Wood
It sounds like you are silent on the errors of anti-Mormon Mr.Alamo's
doctrines. Speaks volumes about you. All you can do is harp about how we are
low on numbers but all the Prophets in the Old Testament had few followers
if they had any. This Pastor has hundreds of churches around the world but I
would think that you as a Mormon would agree he isn't a true minister of God
or maybe being just a cultural Mormon you're blinded to reality.
"Call to mind Daniel, the three Hebrew children, Jeremiah, Paul, Stephen,
and many others, too numerous to mention, who were stoned, sawn asunder,
tempted, slain with the sword, and wandered about in sheep skins and goat
skins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented, of whom the world was not
worthy. They wandered in deserts and in mountains, and hid in dens, and
caves of the earth; yet they all obtained a good report through faith; and
amidst all their afflictions they rejoiced that they were counted worthy to
receive persecution for Christ's sake."
(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and arranged
by Joseph Fielding Smith, p.31)
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
12 Oct 2007 04:07:26 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 11:01:56 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>
wrote:
"Woody Brison" <woody.brison@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192115170.262086.43960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 10, 12:17 am, RetroProphet <RetroProphet_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
In article <5n32nvFfohb...@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim says...
Dear Mr. Alamo,
I read your testimony of how you were converted and I have a bone to
pick
with you which is very important for your salvation as well as my own.
And I
will promise you if I am wrong I will repent and I think if you are
wrong
you should repent. You say the prayer below is all that is necessary for
a
person's salvation and there is the problem:
"My Lord and my God, have mercy upon my soul, a sinner. 1 I believe that
Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. 2 I believe that He died on
the
cross and shed His precious blood for the forgiveness of all my sins. 3
I
believe that God raised Jesus from the dead by the power of the Holy
Spirit
4 and that He sits on the right hand of God at this moment, hearing my
confession of sin and this prayer. 5 I open up the door of my heart and
I
invite You into my heart, Lord Jesus. 6 Wash all of my filthy sins away
in
the precious blood that You shed in my place on the cross at Calvary. 7
You
will not turn me away, Lord Jesus, You will forgive my sins and save my
soul. I know because Your Word, the Bible says so. 8 Your Word says that
You
will turn no one away, and that includes me. 9 Therefore, I know that
You
have heard me, and I know that You have answered me, and I know that I
am
saved. 10 And I thank You, Lord Jesus, for saving my soul, and I will
show
my thankfulness by doing as You command and sin no more. "
However in order to be saved it takes more than just verbal repentance.
Your
doctrine violates the law of God as shown in the scriptures below.
More reading comprehension problems from Bullaville.
Aaron chastises Rev. Alamo for teaching that "the prayer
below is all that is necessary for a person's salvation"
and yet one can plainly see from this page on Alamo's website
that the prayer is only the first of five steps Alamo says
is necessary for salvation:
http://www.alamoministries.com/Gospel_Messages/English/Jesus_Never_Sa...
How is it possible for Aaron to have made such an elementary error?
More mysteriously, how is it possible that the "Holy Ghost"
did not call his attention to the error before Aaron could
launch his presumably inspired rebuke at the good reverend,
allowing it to create the appearance that God's messenger,
from the only source of true doctrine, is a moron?
One would obviously expect better quality control.
Stay tuned for what will no doubt be Aaron's fascinating
and faith-promoting explanation...seems to me the least
he should do is to fulfil his explicit pledge to repent
if he is wrong.
But, I don't expect him to speculate on the mysterious ways
of the Holy Ghost -- he'll only bring up the Holy Ghost
when circumstances are less embarrassing. The Holy Ghost is
only trotted out to support claims that are arguably correct,
never when claims are undeniably incorrect. When you get caught
in a situation like this, human error becomes the explanation.
Perhaps the Holy Ghost was really trying to get Aaron's attention,
but he was busy thinking about something else. Yeah, that's the ticket...
Not to rub salt into wounds, but when you've only got
ONE DISCIPLE you have to sort of work with what you've
got, and when your doctrine is so lame it stinks to
high heaven you really have to work hard to hold it
together, and there ARE going to be gaps. To put a
fine point on it, Art and Aaron don't have the gift of
the Holy Ghost. Reality is what it is, and that's
one little detail of reality: they don't have that
gift. To get it, you have to go thru the procedure
that God has ordained to get it. This may seem
amazingly astute, but you laid the groundwork. This
is just polishing the tiles.
Wood
It sounds like you are silent on the errors of anti-Mormon Mr.Alamo's
doctrines. Speaks volumes about you. All you can do is harp about how we are
low on numbers but all the Prophets in the Old Testament had few followers
if they had any.
Oh? You mean like Abraham? Moses? Aaron? David? Solomon? LOL!
You mean like THOSE guys? Sorry, but it is clear YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! WHAT A JOKE!
This shows the shallowness of your knowledge of God and the ignorance
of your position.
<snipped> the rest as not relevant.
Checker
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| User: "Art Bulla" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
11 Oct 2007 11:25:08 PM |
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Denial of the Holy Ghost is unpardonable.
"Woody Brison" <woody.brison@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1192115170.262086.43960@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 10, 12:17 am, RetroProphet <RetroProphet_mem...@newsguy.com>
wrote:
In article <5n32nvFfohb...@mid.individual.net>, Aaron Kim says...
Dear Mr. Alamo,
I read your testimony of how you were converted and I have a bone to
pick
with you which is very important for your salvation as well as my own.
And I
will promise you if I am wrong I will repent and I think if you are
wrong
you should repent. You say the prayer below is all that is necessary for
a
person's salvation and there is the problem:
"My Lord and my God, have mercy upon my soul, a sinner. 1 I believe that
Jesus Christ is the Son of the Living God. 2 I believe that He died on
the
cross and shed His precious blood for the forgiveness of all my sins. 3
I
believe that God raised Jesus from the dead by the power of the Holy
Spirit
4 and that He sits on the right hand of God at this moment, hearing my
confession of sin and this prayer. 5 I open up the door of my heart and
I
invite You into my heart, Lord Jesus. 6 Wash all of my filthy sins away
in
the precious blood that You shed in my place on the cross at Calvary. 7
You
will not turn me away, Lord Jesus, You will forgive my sins and save my
soul. I know because Your Word, the Bible says so. 8 Your Word says that
You
will turn no one away, and that includes me. 9 Therefore, I know that
You
have heard me, and I know that You have answered me, and I know that I
am
saved. 10 And I thank You, Lord Jesus, for saving my soul, and I will
show
my thankfulness by doing as You command and sin no more. "
However in order to be saved it takes more than just verbal repentance.
Your
doctrine violates the law of God as shown in the scriptures below.
More reading comprehension problems from Bullaville.
Aaron chastises Rev. Alamo for teaching that "the prayer
below is all that is necessary for a person's salvation"
and yet one can plainly see from this page on Alamo's website
that the prayer is only the first of five steps Alamo says
is necessary for salvation:
http://www.alamoministries.com/Gospel_Messages/English/Jesus_Never_Sa...
How is it possible for Aaron to have made such an elementary error?
More mysteriously, how is it possible that the "Holy Ghost"
did not call his attention to the error before Aaron could
launch his presumably inspired rebuke at the good reverend,
allowing it to create the appearance that God's messenger,
from the only source of true doctrine, is a moron?
One would obviously expect better quality control.
Stay tuned for what will no doubt be Aaron's fascinating
and faith-promoting explanation...seems to me the least
he should do is to fulfil his explicit pledge to repent
if he is wrong.
But, I don't expect him to speculate on the mysterious ways
of the Holy Ghost -- he'll only bring up the Holy Ghost
when circumstances are less embarrassing. The Holy Ghost is
only trotted out to support claims that are arguably correct,
never when claims are undeniably incorrect. When you get caught
in a situation like this, human error becomes the explanation.
Perhaps the Holy Ghost was really trying to get Aaron's attention,
but he was busy thinking about something else. Yeah, that's the ticket...
Not to rub salt into wounds, but when you've only got
ONE DISCIPLE you have to sort of work with what you've
got, and when your doctrine is so lame it stinks to
high heaven you really have to work hard to hold it
together, and there ARE going to be gaps. To put a
fine point on it, Art and Aaron don't have the gift of
the Holy Ghost. Reality is what it is, and that's
one little detail of reality: they don't have that
gift. To get it, you have to go thru the procedure
that God has ordained to get it. This may seem
amazingly astute, but you laid the groundwork. This
is just polishing the tiles.
Wood
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
13 Oct 2007 12:34:57 AM |
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"Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> writes:
Denial of the Holy Ghost is unpardonable.
***** the Holy Ghost, Art *****.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2006-07 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Iowa 4, Houston 3 (OT) (October 12)
NEXT GAME: Saturday, October 13 vs. Peoria, 7:35
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
12 Oct 2007 04:09:12 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:25:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Denial of the Holy Ghost is unpardonable.
But POINTING OUT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE HIM IN _YOUR_ LIFE IS NOT.
THAT is TRUTH.
in the Name of Jesus,
Checker
(Gunna threaten again to beat this poor old cripple up?) LOL!
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
12 Oct 2007 04:20:44 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:09:12 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:25:08 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Denial of the Holy Ghost is unpardonable.
Feel free to demonstrate there is one to deny, brainwashed moron.
But POINTING OUT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE HIM IN _YOUR_ LIFE IS NOT.
FEEL FREE THAT IT EXISTS TO HAVE IN ONE'S LIFE, BRAINWASHED MORON.
THAT is TRUTH.
in the Name of Jesus,
His mouth or his *****?
Checker
(Gunna threaten again to beat this poor old cripple up?) LOL!
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to a Protestant Minister |
11 Oct 2007 02:44:54 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 15:06:10 -0000, Woody Brison
<woody.brison@gmail.com> wrote:
To put a
fine point on it, Art and Aaron don't have the gift of
the Holy Ghost.
Or the gift of sanity either.
Reality is what it is, and that's
one little detail of reality: they don't have that
gift. To get it, you have to
be as crazy as they are.
--
Al at Webdingers dot com
"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom. Atheism is
human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious mind
cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is not an
old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is not, and
never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is magnificent in
its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity in a world of
madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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11 Oct 2007 11:27:43 AM |
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:28:38 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
Dear Mr. Alamo,
"My post is off topic in alt.atheism but I'm too much of an ***** to
stop cross posting them."
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant.”
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| User: "Art Bulla" |
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11 Oct 2007 11:27:56 PM |
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Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
"Mark K. Bilbo" <gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote in message
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On Tue, 09 Oct 2007 21:28:38 -0700, Aaron Kim wrote:
Dear Mr. Alamo,
"My post is off topic in alt.atheism but I'm too much of an ***** to
stop cross posting them."
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"I believe that it is better to tell the truth than a lie.
I believe it is better to be free than to be a slave.
And I believe it is better to know than to be ignorant."
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "" |
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12 Oct 2007 04:10:07 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
So is refuting the false doctrines of the false prophet and pathetic
hypocrite arty bullo!
Checker
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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12 Oct 2007 04:22:06 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:10:07 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
What "false doctrine of atheism", brainwashed liar?
There is no doctrine, let alone a false one.
So is refuting the false doctrines of the false prophet and pathetic
hypocrite arty bullo!
And yours is just as false in the real world, brainwashed moron.
Checker
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| User: "" |
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13 Oct 2007 09:34:49 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:22:06 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:10:07 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
What "false doctrine of atheism", brainwashed liar?
There is no doctrine, let alone a false one.
Your name-calling shows you to be lacking in intellect AND in
substance. The false doctrine of atheism is the doctrine (religious
teaching) that there is no God.
So is refuting the false doctrines of the false prophet and pathetic
hypocrite arty bullo!
And yours is just as false in the real world, brainwashed moron.
Again, you have nothing but name-calling to offer. No substance. Not
facts. No reality. Just childish names.
It figures.
Checker
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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13 Oct 2007 10:18:40 AM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:34:49 -0600, wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:22:06 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:10:07 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
What "false doctrine of atheism", brainwashed liar?
There is no doctrine, let alone a false one.
Your name-calling shows you to be lacking in intellect AND in
What "name-calling", brainwashed liar? Here's a clue: your next
sentence was a multiple lie. Stop being such a whining hypocrite.
substance. The false doctrine of atheism is the doctrine (religious
teaching) that there is no God.
What "doctrine (religious teaching) that there is no God", brainwashed
liar?
What makes you feel you can lie about atheists and atheism to our
faces, brainwashed liar?
So is refuting the false doctrines of the false prophet and pathetic
hypocrite arty bullo!
And yours is just as false in the real world, brainwashed moron.
Again, you have nothing but name-calling to offer. No substance. Not
facts. No reality. Just childish names.
Hardly, liar. In the real world there are hundreds if not thousands of
religions. Including yours and Art *****'s - and neither of them
are substantively different from any of the others. They are all only
taken seriously by their believers, including yours. And are all
worthless to everybody else. No matter how seriously you and Art
***** take yours and his.
Was that clear enough even for you?
And an atheist is simply "none of the above". Not what you have now
lied about several times.
If you don't like being called a liar for lying the solution is easy:
stop lying.
If you don't like being called a brainwashed moron for being one, the
solution is easy: admit that the lunatics Art ***** and Aaron have
as much justification for their beliefs as you do.
It figures.
In your dreams, brainwashed moron.
Checker
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Oct 2007 01:14:12 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 08:34:49 -0600, checker wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:22:06 -0400, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:10:07 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you
fool.
What "false doctrine of atheism", brainwashed liar?
There is no doctrine, let alone a false one.
Your name-calling shows you to be lacking in intellect AND in substance.
The false doctrine of atheism is the doctrine (religious teaching) that
there is no God.
And yet atheism has no religious teachings nor doctrines and is lacking
belief in any gods, not the assertion "there is no god".
(Interesting you put it singular and specific that way, having a tantrum
over the idea there are people who don't believe *you* when you claim to
have an invisible friend?)
Other than that...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“In this world of sin and sorrow there is always
something to be thankful for; as for me,
I rejoice that I am not a Republican.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Oct 2007 07:14:00 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:22:06 -0400, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:10:07 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
What "false doctrine of atheism", brainwashed liar?
There is no doctrine, let alone a false one.
<whisper> "He sees doctrines"
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Oh Log Cabin, full of taste, my stomach is with thee.
Blessed are three among syrups..."
- Homer
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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12 Oct 2007 07:14:59 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:14:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:22:06 -0400, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:10:07 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
What "false doctrine of atheism", brainwashed liar?
There is no doctrine, let alone a false one.
<whisper> "He sees doctrines"
Like he hears voices?
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| User: "Don Martin" |
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12 Oct 2007 10:35:15 PM |
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:14:59 -0400, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 19:14:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 17:22:06 -0400, Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 15:10:07 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, "Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com>
wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
What "false doctrine of atheism", brainwashed liar?
There is no doctrine, let alone a false one.
<whisper> "He sees doctrines"
Like he hears voices?
But of course. If it weren't for the voices, there'd be no-one to read the
doctrines aloud to him.
WOA (Wicked Old Atheist) #2278
If you can't be a dirty old man, what is the point of being an old man?
Through a jaundiced eye darkly--rheum with a view.
The Squeeky Wheel
http://home.comcast.net/~drdonmartin/
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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12 Oct 2007 11:03:57 AM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
What you're doing is proselytizing a religion and that's off-topic and a
violation of the FAQ/charter of the newsgroup.
But I *never* expect Christians to have any respect for rules or laws or,
well, much of anything except themselves...
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Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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“The larger the mob, the harder the test....when the
field is nationwide...then all the odds are on the man
who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre--
the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the
notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.
“The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men.
As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more
and more closely, the inner soul of the people.
“We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and
glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their
heart's desire at last, and the White House will be
adorned by a downright moron.”
- H. L. Mencken
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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12 Oct 2007 11:26:51 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 11:03:57 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, Art Bulla wrote:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
The serial liar lies yet again. He knows there's no doctrine of
atheism, let alone a false one. And that there's nothing to refute.
What you're doing is proselytizing a religion and that's off-topic and a
violation of the FAQ/charter of the newsgroup.
But I *never* expect Christians to have any respect for rules or laws or,
well, much of anything except themselves...
Or any honesty or decency towards others.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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12 Oct 2007 04:22:08 PM |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> wrote in
<5n8bebFh19ohU1@mid.individual.net>:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
You have never refuted any 'false doctrines'. "Is not" does not count as
a refutation.
Do you have evidence that any gods exist. No? Of course not. Until you
do, you cannot refute atheism.
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| User: "Aaron Kim" |
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12 Oct 2007 10:50:51 PM |
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"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:m9pvg3d4quchcq67uerm4chuanam1tqs08@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> wrote in
<5n8bebFh19ohU1@mid.individual.net>:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
You have never refuted any 'false doctrines'. "Is not" does not count as
a refutation.
Do you have evidence that any gods exist. No? Of course not. Until you
do, you cannot refute atheism.
Art is an eyewitness that God exists having seen God face to face close to
an hour similar to Paul's vision among others in scriptures. You cannot
prove anything to an anti--Christ bigot.
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I
cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such
an one caught up to the third heaven.
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot
tell: God knoweth;)
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words,
which it is not lawful for a man to utter.
(2 Cor 12:2-4)
44 But Alma said unto him: Thou hast had signs enough; will ye tempt your
God? Will ye say, Show unto me a sign, when ye have the testimony of all
these thy brethren, and also all the holy prophets? The scriptures are laid
before thee, yea, and all things denote there is a God; yea, even the earth,
and all things that are upon the face of it, yea, and its motion, yea, and
also all the planets which move in their regular form do witness that there
is a Supreme Creator.
(Alma 30:44)
You cannot prove that God does not exist so it's impossible or very
disingenuous to say that God does not exist. Evolution your religion is a
theory that can never be verified by experiment. All your scientists as much
effort as they have made have failed to create life. You never saw evolution
happen over the supposed billions of years. Watching the X-Men movies must
be fulfilling to your kind as it fabricates a world where there are more
highly evolved people called mutants born with super powers who have the
ability to read people's minds, heal instantly from any wounds, telekinesis,
and other nonsense. It's amazing to believe someone like you could exist.
You do not believe because God does not exist but your deeds are dark.
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| User: "Thurisaz, Germanic barbarian" |
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13 Oct 2007 09:31:22 AM |
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Moron Kim:
You cannot prove that God does not exist
Wrong. _A_ God, as in generic deity of whatever faith, indeed can't be
proven to not exist - though that doesn't mean that one must believe in the
existence of any Divine entities (you can't disprove the invisible pink
unicorn - do you believe in it then?). _Your_ monstrous sadist jehoover,
however, cannot exist by the very attributes you morontheists ascribe to
them.
Of course you don't have any balls so you won't reply. I'm posting this for
the lurkers only.
--
"To his friend a man a friend shall prove, and gifts with gifts requite;
But men shall mocking with mockery answer, and fraud with falsehood meet."
(The Poetic Edda)
Must have been written with fundies in mind...
My personal judgment of monotheism:
http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
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| User: "John Baker" |
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13 Oct 2007 10:04:12 AM |
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On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:50:51 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aaron@artbulla.com>
wrote:
"Free Lunch" <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:m9pvg3d4quchcq67uerm4chuanam1tqs08@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Art Bulla" <art@artbulla.com> wrote in
<5n8bebFh19ohU1@mid.individual.net>:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
You have never refuted any 'false doctrines'. "Is not" does not count as
a refutation.
Do you have evidence that any gods exist. No? Of course not. Until you
do, you cannot refute atheism.
Art is an eyewitness that God exists having seen God face to face close to
an hour similar to Paul's vision among others in scriptures.
And what sort of drugs was he taking at the time?
Moron.
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| User: "Andres64" |
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13 Oct 2007 11:47:04 AM |
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On Oct 13, 11:04 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:50:51 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com>
wrote:
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:m9pvg3d4quchcq67uerm4chuanam1tqs08@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in
<5n8bebFh19o...@mid.individual.net>:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
You have never refuted any 'false doctrines'. "Is not" does not count as
a refutation.
Do you have evidence that any gods exist. No? Of course not. Until you
do, you cannot refute atheism.
Art is an eyewitness that God exists having seen God face to face close to
an hour similar to Paul's vision among others in scriptures.
And what sort of drugs was he taking at the time?
Moron.
Seriously. How dumb do you have to be to follow Art?
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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13 Oct 2007 01:15:02 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 16:47:04 +0000, Andres64 wrote:
On Oct 13, 11:04 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:50:51 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com>
wrote:
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:m9pvg3d4quchcq67uerm4chuanam1tqs08@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, in alt.atheism "Art Bulla"
<a...@artbulla.com> wrote in <5n8bebFh19o...@mid.individual.net>:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you
fool.
You have never refuted any 'false doctrines'. "Is not" does not
count as a refutation.
Do you have evidence that any gods exist. No? Of course not. Until
you do, you cannot refute atheism.
Art is an eyewitness that God exists having seen God face to face
close to an hour similar to Paul's vision among others in scriptures.
And what sort of drugs was he taking at the time?
Moron.
Seriously. How dumb do you have to be to follow Art?
At least one Andy Chung unit...
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"Behold the foul stench of Skeletor's breakfast burrito!"
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13 Oct 2007 03:21:48 PM |
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On Oct 13, 7:04 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:50:51 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com>
wrote:
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:m9pvg3d4quchcq67uerm4chuanam1tqs08@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in
<5n8bebFh19o...@mid.individual.net>:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
You have never refuted any 'false doctrines'. "Is not" does not count as
a refutation.
Do you have evidence that any gods exist. No? Of course not. Until you
do, you cannot refute atheism.
Art is an eyewitness that God exists having seen God face to face close to
an hour similar to Paul's vision among others in scriptures.
And what sort of drugs was he taking at the time?
Moron.
Art fled the country to avoid his wife institutionalizing him. I
don't know how sick a person must be to follow a lunatic as prophet.
My brother thought he was god before he got medicated. Perhaps if I
were Kim boy I would have worshiped my brother.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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13 Oct 2007 04:06:23 PM |
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On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:21:48 -0000, john p <john.phile@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:04 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:50:51 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com>
wrote:
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:m9pvg3d4quchcq67uerm4chuanam1tqs08@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in
<5n8bebFh19o...@mid.individual.net>:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
You have never refuted any 'false doctrines'. "Is not" does not count as
a refutation.
Do you have evidence that any gods exist. No? Of course not. Until you
do, you cannot refute atheism.
Art is an eyewitness that God exists having seen God face to face close to
an hour similar to Paul's vision among others in scriptures.
And what sort of drugs was he taking at the time?
Moron.
Art fled the country to avoid his wife institutionalizing him. I
don't know how sick a person must be to follow a lunatic as prophet.
My brother thought he was god before he got medicated. Perhaps if I
were Kim boy I would have worshiped my brother.
Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson - unfortunately, the loonies
never seem to have a problem finding fools to follow them.
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| User: "john p" |
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| Title: Re: A Response to a Typical Anti-Christ |
13 Oct 2007 04:08:58 PM |
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On Oct 13, 1:06 pm, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 20:21:48 -0000, john p <john.ph...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Oct 13, 7:04 am, John Baker <nu...@bizniz.net> wrote:
On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 20:50:51 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com>
wrote:
"Free Lunch" <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote in message
news:m9pvg3d4quchcq67uerm4chuanam1tqs08@4ax.com...
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 21:27:56 -0700, in alt.atheism
"Art Bulla" <a...@artbulla.com> wrote in
<5n8bebFh19o...@mid.individual.net>:
Refuting the false doctrine of atheism is extremely on-topic, you fool.
You have never refuted any 'false doctrines'. "Is not" does not count as
a refutation.
Do you have evidence that any gods exist. No? Of course not. Until you
do, you cannot refute atheism.
Art is an eyewitness that God exists having seen God face to face close to
an hour similar to Paul's vision among others in scriptures.
And what sort of drugs was he taking at the time?
Moron.
Art fled the country to avoid his wife institutionalizing him. I
don't know how sick a person must be to follow a lunatic as prophet.
My brother thought he was god before he got medicated. Perhaps if I
were Kim boy I would have worshiped my brother.
Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson - unfortunately, the loonies
never seem to have a problem finding fools to follow them.
Art can only get one.
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