Religions > Atheism > A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter.
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"Roy Henn" |
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25 May 2004 06:10:38 AM |
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A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.
However, there is a question that you have to ask yourself honestly.
It has been bubbling in the back of your mind for years. Is the method
you're using to attempt to bring about this change, namely through
endless violent debates with other intellectuals, or through trying to
bring this matter to attention of the churches and the scientific
establishment, truly is the right way? Or can it be, can it really be,
that there is another way, a more natural and less artificial way, a
true path to bringing about this change, that will bring you the
meaning and purpose you seek?
You said in one of your replies that Jesus was one of those beings who
was above the need for fighting and arguing. That he was above it. In
a sense that is true. Do you want to know WHY he was like this? WHAT
it is that that gave him that edge? Was it truly a more fully grown
Physical Brain that he had? No. It has NOTHING to do with brain
growth. It has EVERYTHING to do with the type of conciousness that he
embodied. People have misunderstood the meaning of the "Christ" part
in Jesus Christ's name. It has deeper meaning that just a word for
"Messiah". The "Christ" in Jesus' name symbolize the Christ
Conciousness. That is what Jesus had, that was the edge that motivated
him to perform every single act that he did. The 2nd Coming of Christ
is not the return of the person Jesus to the earth to serve as the
leader of mankind. Jesus resides in the World of Spirit as an Ascended
Master who guides the evolution of humanity. The 2nd Coming of Christ
means the return of the Christ Conciousness to earth after millenias
of darkness. The Christ Conciousness is the Only Begotten Son of God,
and Jesus embodied that conciousness fully as a result of follwing his
Spiritual Path.
Humanity has one major problem. One major illness. That illness is the
Lower Conciousness that it has fell into. All the diplomas, master
degrees, PHDs, and intellectual knowledge and all the scientific books
on this Earth will not serve to raise that conciousness back on its
feet, nor will the knowledge contained in them will serve to solve the
numerous ills of Humanity. There is only one solution and only one way
to make a true difference. Aspiring to see beyond the obvious,
eliminate that mental box which imprisons you, and raising your
conciousness to higher level. The earth doesn't need more Christians.
The earth needs more Christs.
Remember that you are now living history and it is a great time to be
alive. Humanity is about to go through a leap in conciousness that has
not occured in 2 thousand years. That leap needs momentum and the only
way to facilitate it is that more and more people aspire to a higher
form of existence, a higher conciousness. It can only be done through
Humanity. The people aspring and embodying a Higher Conciousness will
be those bring the massive positive change that humanity so
desperately needs.
Jesus has been watching the state of Christianity for 2 thousand years
and his heart aches seeing it in its dogmatic state, and the cult of
idolatry built around him, promoting him as the Only Son of God. With
a heavy heart he has to watch himself turned into a tool by which
people are imprisoned instead of liberated from this prison by
following blind church dogma and erroneusly believing that they are
saved. Jesus is now on a Mission Impossible from God to awaken
Humanity to the Ascension potential that this new age now offers, and
remember who they truly are. That ALL have the potential to being a
true Son and Daughter of God, and Jesus was not the exception, but the
EXAMPLE to follow.
I suggest that you devote a bit of your time to the following pages.
This is bar none the best description of the Human Spiritual State of
Affairs that you are likely to find anywhere.
Jesus' Mission:
http://www.askrealjesus.com/LIVING%20WORD/missionimpossible.html
The Path of Individual Christhood:
http://www.askrealjesus.com/TEACHINGS/CHRISTHOOD/AAChristh1main.html
Do NOT IGNORE THIS. Do NOT fail to take this matter with the
seriousness it warrants. This was written for people who are
internally ready for a change, yet do not conciously recognize it.
Soon enough, there will simply not be any TIME left to utilize this
information, and by then it will be too late. I'll give you a hint.
Your assumption that the standard of living will keep rising into
infinity is about to evaporate in front of your eyes.
I'll conclude with this.
During the start of Freddy vs Jason a haunting motherly voice says the
following:
"Jason! My special, special boy! Do you know what your gift is? You
cannot die. No matter what they do to you, you can NEVER die. You have
just been sleeping, honey. But now, the time has come to wake up.
Mommy has something she wants you to do. RISE UP JASON! YOUR WORK
ISN'T FINISHED! HEAR MY VOICE, AND LIVE AGAIN!"
RISE UP HAMMOND! CEASE THE DEBATING WITH UNCLE AL, MICHEAL VARNEY, AND
OTHERS WHO ACT NATURALLY AS MIRRORS TO YOUR CURRENT TEMPORARY NATURE,
RECOGNIZE YOURSELF AS AN ASPECT OF GOD IN DISGUISE, AND BEGIN DOING
WHAT YOU INCARNATED ON THIS PLANET TO DO. TIME TO START CHANNELING
THAT ENERGY TO THE ONLY THING THAT WILL GIVE THOSE YOU WISH TO SAVE A
TRUE CHANCE. I HOPE JESUS' WORDS CAN MAKE YOU TAKE THAT ONE STEP AND
THE ONE CHANGE OF PATH THAT WILL MAKE A TRUE CHANGE IN YOUR LIFE AND
BRING YOU THE REDEMPTION YOU SEEK.
WHY IS THIS MEANT SPECIFICALLY TO YOU? BECAUSE YOU ARE ALLREADY READY
FOR A CHANGE, AND DO NOT RECOGNIZE IT YET. HOPEFULLY YOU AND OTHER
CHRISTIANS WILL LISTEN TO WHAT JESUS' IS TRYING TO TELL THEM, AND
START FOCUSING ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS IN THIS POINT IN MANKIND'S
HISTORY, INSTEAD OF CONTINUING MEANINGLESS DEBATES ABOUT RELIGIOUS
AND SCIENTIFICAL INTERPRETATIONS.
Best Regards,
Roy Henn
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
25 May 2004 07:29:02 PM |
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"Roy Henn" <roeihenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a16a575.0405250310.4c51fc05@posting.google.com...
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.
No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and because
he is nuts.
<SNIP crap>
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| User: "George Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
26 May 2004 05:47:13 PM |
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"Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote in message
news:sxRsc.54$gZ4.105443@news.uswest.net...
"Roy Henn" <roeihenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a16a575.0405250310.4c51fc05@posting.google.com...
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.
No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and
because
he is nuts.
<SNIP crap>
[Hammond]
Varney who is now universally referred to
as "POSTER BOY VARNEY" after a fabulously
long thread by that name... is a ***** psycho
moron attending some gun nut college in
Colorado.... he apparently is on the verge
of going full psycho and doing something stupid
and getting thrown out of a PhD program in physics.
I suggest he go watch Mel Gibson's _Passion of the
Christ_ a few times... maybe it'll give him a
clue as to "...whats it all about Alfie".
====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
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| User: "Michael Varney" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
26 May 2004 05:59:55 PM |
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"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:R79tc.1022$n_6.457@attbi_s53...
"Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote in message
news:sxRsc.54$gZ4.105443@news.uswest.net...
"Roy Henn" <roeihenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a16a575.0405250310.4c51fc05@posting.google.com...
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.
No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and
because
he is nuts.
<SNIP crap>
[Hammond]
Varney who is now universally referred to
as "POSTER BOY VARNEY" after a fabulously
long thread by that name... is a ***** psycho
moron attending some gun nut college in
Colorado
LOL! CU Boulder, gun nut college. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
.... he apparently is on the verge
of going full psycho and doing something stupid
and getting thrown out of a PhD program in physics.
And how many years have you been saying that, Hammered? LOL!
I suggest he go watch Mel Gibson's _Passion of the
Christ_ a few times... maybe it'll give him a
clue as to "...whats it all about Alfie".
How is your web site doing, Hammered?
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| User: "George Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
27 May 2004 12:38:18 PM |
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"Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote in message
news:Rj9tc.138$WD5.91263@news.uswest.net...
"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:R79tc.1022$n_6.457@attbi_s53...
"Michael Varney" <varney@colorado_no_spam.edu> wrote in message
news:sxRsc.54$gZ4.105443@news.uswest.net...
"Roy Henn" <roeihenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a16a575.0405250310.4c51fc05@posting.google.com...
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen
what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You
seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the
scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.
No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and
because
he is nuts.
<SNIP crap>
[Hammond]
Varney who is now universally referred to
as "POSTER BOY VARNEY" after a fabulously
long thread by that name... is a ***** psycho
moron attending some gun nut college in
Colorado
LOL! CU Boulder, gun nut college. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
.... he apparently is on the verge
of going full psycho and doing something stupid
and getting thrown out of a PhD program in physics.
And how many years have you been saying that, Hammered? LOL!
I suggest he go watch Mel Gibson's _Passion of the
Christ_ a few times... maybe it'll give him a
clue as to "...whats it all about Alfie".
How is your web site doing, Hammered?
[Hammond]
You'll be lucky if you don't end up
being a "person of interest" to the FBI
====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
====================================
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| User: "TMG" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
25 May 2004 07:46:11 PM |
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Michael Varney wrote:
"Roy Henn" <roeihenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a16a575.0405250310.4c51fc05@posting.google.com...
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.
No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and because
he is nuts.
<SNIP crap>
That's what you choose to focus on? You weren't intrigued by the "Freddy
vs Jason" reference and side story? I though it was a wonderful transition!
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| User: "George Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
26 May 2004 05:48:22 PM |
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"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:De2dnSRPsvicdS7dRVn_iw@comcast.com...
Michael Varney wrote:
"Roy Henn" <roeihenn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1a16a575.0405250310.4c51fc05@posting.google.com...
Being a frequenter of the forums for quite a while now, I've seen what
goes on in here during your debates. The discussions of your proof
seems to date back to 1999 and even earlier on these forums. You seem
to to be motivated by a Higher Goal in promoting this proof, and you
believe that this Scientific Proof, once recognized by the scientific
establishment, in and by itself will bring salvation to millions of
starving and poor people around the world. You do this because it is
the soul's nature to be of service to others in any fashion it can
find, and you obviously have this very strongly developed in you.
Otherwise you wouldn't go to the lengths you had.
No. Hammond is an egotistical crackpot. He does it for his ego and
because
he is nuts.
<SNIP crap>
That's what you choose to focus on? You weren't intrigued by the "Freddy
vs Jason" reference and side story? I though it was a wonderful
transition!
[Hammond]
Naw, unlike you we're not other directed
morons looking for kicks... we've got our
eye on the brass ring
====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
====================================
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| User: "TMG" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
26 May 2004 08:32:22 PM |
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George Hammond wrote:
<snip - you you sick, sad twit>
You keep comparing yourself to Jesus. I propose a robust test of SPOG -
raise yourself from the dead. Make a prediction, publish what SPOG
predicts on your ability to reanimate your lifeless body, and put SPOG
to the test. If successful, you certainly will get the column inches you
so crave. Put up or shut up.
You say (over and over) how grand you are,...god like, on a par with
Jesus. Go on and PROVE it. Raise yourself from the dead you liar. PROVE
it to all of us. You spew this crap, let's see some balls and conviction.
Either you BELIEVE the crap of SPOG, and that you are Jesus-like, and
CAN PROVE it - or you're another nutcase. Put up or Shut up.
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| User: "TMG" |
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26 May 2004 06:29:49 PM |
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George Hammond wrote:
[Hammond]
Naw, unlike you we're not other directed
morons looking for kicks... we've got our
eye on the brass ring
I wasn't really addressing you wacko, but now that you've crawled out
from under your rock, how's that sucking up the the Christian Science
Church working out for you? That was the latest in a *long* (ohhh, so
very long) series of predictions that humanity was on the cusp of the
grand embracing of SPOG. One failed prediction after another - that
usually is a bad sign for science *and* prophets.
Now you're double parking downtown and pestering people with handouts.
Not very exalted, eh? - not in science (MR. Hammond), or religion (again
MR. Hammond). You've been pretty much *****-slapped by everyone you've
tried to cozy up to. You hold them out as the next (well, first)
embracer of your SPOG, and put them on a pedestal. It's always from that
elevated position that they ***** on your SPOG.
You keep comparing yourself to Jesus. I propose a robust test of SPOG -
raise yourself from the dead. Make a prediction, publish what SPOG
predicts on your ability to reanimate your lifeless body, and put SPOG
to the test. If successful, you certainly will get the column inches you
so crave. Put up or shut up.
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| User: "George Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
27 May 2004 12:36:10 PM |
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"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:QK2dnQdxfeURuijdRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
George Hammond wrote:
[Hammond]
Naw, unlike you we're not other directed
morons looking for kicks... we've got our
eye on the brass ring
I wasn't really addressing you wacko,
[Hammond]
snip .... I don't really give a fcuk who your talking to or what you're
talking about... ever.
MR. Hammond). You've been pretty much *****-slapped by everyone you've
tried to cozy up to.
[Hammond]
Well... that's because all of you kooks are a bunch of bitches, frankly.
You keep comparing yourself to Jesus. I propose a robust test of SPOG -
raise yourself from the dead. Make a prediction, publish what SPOG
predicts on your ability to reanimate your lifeless body, and put SPOG
to the test. If successful, you certainly will get the column inches you
so crave. Put up or shut up.
[Hammond]
You don't know what you're talking about.... do you realize the
day after it is announced in world headlines that a scientific
proof of God has been found, that the entire world will be
walking around saying "we're saved".... starving and oppressed
millions, terrified swarms of people will be looking to the sky
with tears in their eyes in disbelief that they are finally about
top be liberated from lives of torture, misery, starvation and death.
The rich and the evil, the priveleged, the landlords, employers,
bureaucrats will be living in fear... the atheistic communists will
be looking for place to hide.... billions and billions of innocent,
struggeling people will finally be able to look around and
realize "its over"... and that equal rights, human rights for
everyone has finally arrived. Bad guys will be chased down
on site.... not one evil s.o.b. on the planet will be safe from
a unified and outraged, a mobilized and empowered humanity.
====================================
SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
====================================
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| User: "TMG" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
27 May 2004 09:47:29 PM |
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George Hammond wrote:
"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:QK2dnQdxfeURuijdRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
George Hammond wrote:
[Hammond]
Naw, unlike you we're not other directed
morons looking for kicks... we've got our
eye on the brass ring
I wasn't really addressing you wacko,
[Hammond]
snip .... I don't really give a fcuk who your talking to or what you're
talking about... ever.
MR. Hammond). You've been pretty much *****-slapped by everyone you've
tried to cozy up to.
[Hammond]
Well... that's because all of you kooks are a bunch of bitches, frankly.
You keep comparing yourself to Jesus. I propose a robust test of SPOG -
raise yourself from the dead. Make a prediction, publish what SPOG
predicts on your ability to reanimate your lifeless body, and put SPOG
to the test. If successful, you certainly will get the column inches you
so crave. Put up or shut up.
[Hammond]
You don't know what you're talking about.... do you realize the
day after it is announced in world headlines that a scientific
proof of God has been found,
You've predicted that advent many times, it just doesn't happen, does
it? You snipped the part about you being a false prophet - of both
science and religion. You also snipped the question about how your
latest sucking up to the Christian Science Church was working out.
that the entire world will be
walking around saying "we're saved".... starving and oppressed
millions, terrified swarms of people will be looking to the sky
with tears in their eyes in disbelief that they are finally about
top be liberated from lives of torture, misery, starvation and death.
The rich and the evil, the priveleged, the landlords, employers,
bureaucrats will be living in fear...
No - the world will still be divided into factions based on earthly
power. Everyone declares you a heretic because you are: 1. Insane. 2.
Unreadable, 3. Insane, 4. Hugely arrogant, 5. Insane, 6. Just flat out
wrong on so many levels that EVERYONE who spends the time to read your
drivel is so impressed by the fact that you are....7. Insane.
Site proof that anyone, other than the voices in your head, think you
have the vaguest of points - cite them or recant putz. For years you've
continued to say humanity is on the cusp of accepting SPOG - you've been
wrong all this time. You've whispered of super secret email validation
of YOU - the GREAT AND POWERFUL HAMMOND. But, nobody's really there -
ever. You've failed at EVERY single thing you've ever tried; Family,
relationships, school, church, PR, the Internet, and basic human
interactions. The universe has spoken, you are, and will forever be a
crackpot. There will be NO revelation. There hasn't been any, despite
your predictions - and there won't be anything but ridicule and scorn
for you in the future.
the atheistic communists will
be looking for place to hide.... billions and billions of innocent,
struggeling people will finally be able to look around and
realize "its over"... and that equal rights, human rights for
everyone has finally arrived. Bad guys will be chased down
on site.... not one evil s.o.b. on the planet will be safe from
a unified and outraged, a mobilized and empowered humanity.
Clearly the ravings of someone who was too often pelted in dodge ball as
a child. Not that I'm endorsing that, but Hammy clearly lost his lunch
money a few times too many.
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| User: "Bill Hobba" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
28 May 2004 11:23:27 PM |
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"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in message
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George Hammond wrote:
"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:QK2dnQdxfeURuijdRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
George Hammond wrote:
[Hammond]
Naw, unlike you we're not other directed
morons looking for kicks... we've got our
eye on the brass ring
I wasn't really addressing you wacko,
[Hammond]
snip .... I don't really give a fcuk who your talking to or what you're
talking about... ever.
MR. Hammond). You've been pretty much *****-slapped by everyone you've
tried to cozy up to.
[Hammond]
Well... that's because all of you kooks are a bunch of bitches, frankly.
You keep comparing yourself to Jesus. I propose a robust test of SPOG -
raise yourself from the dead. Make a prediction, publish what SPOG
predicts on your ability to reanimate your lifeless body, and put SPOG
to the test. If successful, you certainly will get the column inches you
so crave. Put up or shut up.
[Hammond]
You don't know what you're talking about.... do you realize the
day after it is announced in world headlines that a scientific
proof of God has been found,
You've predicted that advent many times, it just doesn't happen, does
it? You snipped the part about you being a false prophet - of both
science and religion. You also snipped the question about how your
latest sucking up to the Christian Science Church was working out.
that the entire world will be
walking around saying "we're saved".... starving and oppressed
millions, terrified swarms of people will be looking to the sky
with tears in their eyes in disbelief that they are finally about
top be liberated from lives of torture, misery, starvation and death.
The rich and the evil, the priveleged, the landlords, employers,
bureaucrats will be living in fear...
No - the world will still be divided into factions based on earthly
power. Everyone declares you a heretic because you are: 1. Insane. 2.
Unreadable, 3. Insane, 4. Hugely arrogant, 5. Insane, 6. Just flat out
wrong on so many levels that EVERYONE who spends the time to read your
drivel is so impressed by the fact that you are....7. Insane.
Site proof that anyone, other than the voices in your head, think you
have the vaguest of points - cite them or recant putz.
What admit that anybody's opinion other than their own is valid? They
persecuted Galileo didn't they? And since when did appeal to authority make
you correct?
Thanks
Bill
For years you've
continued to say humanity is on the cusp of accepting SPOG - you've been
wrong all this time. You've whispered of super secret email validation
of YOU - the GREAT AND POWERFUL HAMMOND. But, nobody's really there -
ever. You've failed at EVERY single thing you've ever tried; Family,
relationships, school, church, PR, the Internet, and basic human
interactions. The universe has spoken, you are, and will forever be a
crackpot. There will be NO revelation. There hasn't been any, despite
your predictions - and there won't be anything but ridicule and scorn
for you in the future.
the atheistic communists will
be looking for place to hide.... billions and billions of innocent,
struggeling people will finally be able to look around and
realize "its over"... and that equal rights, human rights for
everyone has finally arrived. Bad guys will be chased down
on site.... not one evil s.o.b. on the planet will be safe from
a unified and outraged, a mobilized and empowered humanity.
Clearly the ravings of someone who was too often pelted in dodge ball as
a child. Not that I'm endorsing that, but Hammy clearly lost his lunch
money a few times too many.
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29 May 2004 12:56:02 AM |
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Bill Hobba wrote:
<snip to clean up non-relavnat stuff>
Site proof that anyone, other than the voices in your head, think you
have the vaguest of points - cite them or recant putz.
What admit that anybody's opinion other than their own is valid? They
persecuted Galileo didn't they? And since when did appeal to authority make
you correct?
Thanks
Bill
Bill,
You don't see any value in references, validation, citations, writings,
opinions, confirmations, agreements, intersections, reviews, critiques,
or even a vague "there you go!"? He may be Galileo. But, in your
considered and consulted opinion, is he? Is his manifesto - in your
opinion as a reasonable scientist - correct? Does honest, objective, and
considered peer review have any value? Clearly Hammond feels he's far
above any opinions of mere mortals - but is that rational? I wasn't
proposing an appeal to authority so much as an appeal to valid,
reproducible science.
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29 May 2004 02:26:17 AM |
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"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in message
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Bill Hobba wrote:
<snip to clean up non-relavnat stuff>
Site proof that anyone, other than the voices in your head, think you
have the vaguest of points - cite them or recant putz.
What admit that anybody's opinion other than their own is valid? They
persecuted Galileo didn't they? And since when did appeal to authority
make
you correct?
Thanks
Bill
Bill,
You don't see any value in references, validation, citations, writings,
opinions, confirmations, agreements, intersections, reviews, critiques,
or even a vague "there you go!"?
I see great value in all these things (except maybe the last - but it still
has value). It is people like Hammond who do not.
He may be Galileo.
I have read Galileo - Hammond in no Galileo.
But, in your considered and consulted opinion, is he?
My opinion is worthless - I prefer fact over opinion - even my own. It is
historical fact that Galileo was a great physicist and fully appreciated by
others of intellect. Hammond is appreciated by none because his position is
crap.
Is his manifesto - in your opinion as a reasonable scientist - correct?
Again I wish to emphasize my opinion is worthless. But I have scientific
training and will comment in that capacity. It is unmitigated rubbish of
the first order without any redeeming intellectual value whatever.
Does honest, objective, and considered peer review have any value?
It has great value and is one of the cornerstones on modern scientific
inquiry and intellectual discourse in general.
Clearly Hammond feels he's far above any opinions of mere mortals - but is
that rational?
It is not rational - in fact it is a powerful indication of mental
instability and possible disease that should be treated by a professional.
I wasn't proposing an appeal to authority so much as an appeal to valid,
reproducible science.
And I was not proposing that Hammond is anything but the crank and crackpot
he so obviously is.
Sorry for any confusion my sense of humor may have engendered.
Bill
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31 May 2004 09:43:50 PM |
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"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
He may be Galileo.
I have read Galileo - Hammond in no Galileo.
Worst! Palindrome! Ever!
Dave
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\/David DeLaney posting from "It's not the pot that grows the flower
It's not the clock that slows the hour The definition's plain for anyone to see
Love is all it takes to make a family" - R&P. VISUALIZE HAPPYNET VRbeable<BLINK>
http://www.vic.com/~dbd/ - net.legends FAQ & Magic / I WUV you in all CAPS! --K.
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31 May 2004 09:00:46 AM |
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"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
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"TMG" <TMG@Nowhere.org> wrote in message
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Bill Hobba wrote:
He may be Galileo.
I have read Galileo - Hammond in no Galileo.
But, in your considered and consulted opinion, is he?
My opinion is worthless - I prefer fact over opinion - even my own. It is
historical fact that Galileo was a great physicist and fully appreciated
by
others of intellect. Hammond is appreciated by none because his position
is
crap.
Is his manifesto - in your opinion as a reasonable scientist - correct?
Again I wish to emphasize my opinion is worthless. But I have scientific
training and will comment in that capacity. It is unmitigated rubbish of
the first order without any redeeming intellectual value whatever.
[Hammond]
You're a lying bag of ***** too.
You can't argue with this... even if you
can't read Relativity:
"OBSERVABLES" and GOD=G_uv
The word "Creation" has
two meanings:
1. To Physics, "Creation" means
the creation of "observables"
Physics says that observables
were first "created" 15 billion
years ago in the Big Bang.
The creation of the observable
universe.
2. To Religion, "Creation" means
the creation of the "observer"
Religion (the Bible) says that
the observer in Physics is Man
who was created" 40,000 years ago
when the (current species- Man)
Homo Sapiens sapiens was created.
Religion simply says you can't have "observables"
without an "observer" so therefore the Biblical
creation "caused" the physical creation even though
the Biblical creation happened "after" the
physical creation. You can't use a timeline to
compare the two because the Biblical Creation
includes the "creation of time" itself... so you
really can't say physical creation was
"before" Biblical Creation.
Now.... is this just vacous philosophy or does
it have any practical significance?
TURNS OUT IS DOES HAVE A MIGHTY PRACTICAL SIGNIFICANCE!
IT CAUSES THE EXISTENCE OF "RELIGION" !
HOW DOES IT CAUSE "RELIGION" ?
The current species of Hominid (called "Man") is
the first species who had a brain capable of talking
and writing Physics theories. "The world as we
know it" was not known to any previous species of
hominid, nor is it "known" (observable) to any
other species of animal. Therefore, religion says
that "the world as we know it" did not exist before
"Man" was created 40,000 years ago.
From this, we can see that it is the human brain
that creates reality (reality as we know it... and as
physics knows it).
Ok.... so what? Well, consider this. Suppose
your brain function was suddenly 20% less than it is
right now. What would happen is that 20% of reality
would suddenly become INVISIBLE !
Fact is.... this scenario is not hypothetical..
fact is.. modern science has discovered that such a
phenomena actually exists in nature, and causes
the biggest human problem ever detected... and it
was detected thousands of years ago, and is called
"GOD".
THAT IS THE PRACTICAL
SIGNIFICANCE OF ALL THIS !
Now... how in the world does 20% of the human brain
turn up missing? And what do we mean by "missing"?
It turns out there is a "Secular Trend" in human
growth.. man has NEVER been fully grown, and is only
approaching full growth (genotypic size) over many
thousands of years. At the present time phenotypic
man is about 80% of genotypic man. This means his
actual brain is only 80% of a fully grown brain.
This remaining 20% is not totally missing, it is
partially (asymptotically) grown.. and partially
functions. This has the effect of making 80%
of reality real, and 20% of reality "partially
real". This partially real portion is called
"Heaven"... and the rest of us which is ungrown
lives in this partial reality and is commonly
called "God".
Now that isn't all! It turns out that this
grown-ungrown duality of reality causes a further
phenomenon... known as REPRESSION. It is possible
for the human mind to "deliberately" repress part
of grown mental function into the realm of ungrown
mental function... or even release it back into
real mental function. This phenomena causes what
are known as "miracles", and they can be very
dramatic changes in "apparent reality".
Now, all of this so far sounds like a THEORY,
however, in 1997 HAMMOND discovered a two decimal
scientific proof of all this using Psychometry
data and General Relativity. It turns out
that this brain growth problem is mathematically
described by Einstein's field Equations, and
that actually it is proved that:
GOD=G_uv
I.e., that GOD is mathematically described by
an Einstein curvature of perceptual reality.
All that is the subject of my website.
Anyway, the bottom line is:
1. There really is a real God
2. He is an invisible man that rules the world
3. He is accurately described by the Bible.
4. Religion is scientifically correct and accurate.
5. Physics has now discovered a two decimal
experimental proof of this. I said "proof"!
6. God is explained axiomatically by Einstein's
theory, and in fact GOD=G_uv, or God is
(ultimately) caused by Gravity.
Now, you may be wondering how gravity gets into the
picture. This is a stunning discovery in itself
and comes about in the following way. The human
body is 3-axis "cartesian" (the skeleton for instance),
this is why all animals have 4-feet, including
Man. This causes the brain to be 3-axis cartesian
(has 3-orthogonal cleavages) and this causes
personality structure to be 3-axis cartesian.
Now, it turns out the human body (skeleton
for instance) is 3-axis cartesian BECAUSE
space it self is 3-axis cartesain (Euclidean)
.... this means that personality structure
is cartesian because SPACE is cartesian.. and
ultimately this means a "curvature of real space"
will cause a "curvature of psychometry space"
or "gravity will cause God"...and this is how
the "brain growth deficit" (or god) ends up
being described by the Einstein curvature tensor
the same way gravity is... and why "gravity
causes God".
Anyway... the age of "mystery" is over in relgion.
Religion is now a "scientific fact" and so is
the "existence of God".
QED, George hammond
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http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
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07 Jul 2004 06:32:10 AM |
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 14:00:46 GMT, George Hammond <research137@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[Hammond]
You're a lying bag of ***** too.
Ok.... so what? Well, consider this. Suppose
your brain function was suddenly 20% less than it is
right now. What would happen is that 20% of reality
would suddenly become INVISIBLE !
THAT IS THE PRACTICAL
SIGNIFICANCE OF ALL THIS !
This has the effect of making 80%
of reality real, and 20% of reality "partially
real". This partially real portion is called
"Heaven"... and the rest of us which is ungrown
lives in this partial reality and is commonly
called "God".
It would be extremely practical if we could
retrain that 20% of our branes so that we had heaven
on earth but our debts would become invisible.
How do you know it's 20%, and not 19% or 20.375%?
That seems like an awful round number to me, and
a true scientific discovery wouldn't simply round
off measurements.
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20 Jul 2004 03:43:09 PM |
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"Mark Allread" <mallread@flatsurface.com> wrote in message
news:opsarmbwuugjxvus@35.alientech.net...
On Mon, 31 May 2004 14:00:46 GMT, George Hammond <research137@hotmail.com>
wrote:
[Hammond]
You're a lying bag of ***** too.
Ok.... so what? Well, consider this. Suppose
your brain function was suddenly 20% less than it is
right now. What would happen is that 20% of reality
would suddenly become INVISIBLE !
THAT IS THE PRACTICAL
SIGNIFICANCE OF ALL THIS !
This has the effect of making 80%
of reality real, and 20% of reality "partially
real". This partially real portion is called
"Heaven"... and the rest of us which is ungrown
lives in this partial reality and is commonly
called "God".
It would be extremely practical if we could
retrain that 20% of our brain so that we had heaven
on earth but our debts would become invisible.
[Hammond]
You can't train the unconscious mind, you can only
train the conscious mind.
How do you know it's 20%, and not 19% or 20.375%?
That seems like an awful round number to me, and
a true scientific discovery wouldn't simply round
off measurements.
[Hammond]
How do we know the luminous mass of the universe
is only 2% of the total mass... it might be 2.01,
it might be 1.99..... guess what... it doesn't
matter for the proving of cosmological theories.
Same with the scientific proof of God.. the
accuracy is MORE THAN SUFFICIENT TO PROVE GOD EXISTS.
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
mirror site:
http://proof-of-god.freewebsitehosting.com
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SCIENTIFIC PROOF OF GOD WEBSITE
http://geocities.com/scientific_proof_of_god
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20 Jul 2004 04:58:38 PM |
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"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote:
[Hammond]
You can't train the unconscious mind, you can only
train the conscious mind.
Are you drooling like Pavlov's dogs right now?
Dog1: Was that a bell?
Dog2: Woof.
Dog1: I think I'll start drooling. Everytime I drool, food appears.
Dog2: [Chomp, chomp] Wmmmph! [Chomp, chomp]
--oTTo--
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| User: "Jim Jastrzebski" |
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31 May 2004 08:33:22 PM |
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"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
news:tWWtc.16042$L.4372@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
My opinion is worthless - I prefer fact over opinion - even my own. It is
historical fact that Galileo was a great physicist and fully appreciated
by
others of intellect.
But it is also a historical fact that Hammond, a physicists who
graduated just in the last century, must know much more physics
than Galileo ever did, so according to those facts (that you prefer
over opinions) he is even greater physicists than Galileo.
Hammond is appreciated by none ...
That's not true and you as a scientist who prefers facts should
never make sweeping generalizations that might contradict
facts, as in this case. The fact is that I happen to know more
than one person who appreciates Hammond's work.
... because his position is crap.
Not everybody would agree. E.g. in my opinion (which the
same as yours might be worthless) his theory is quite sensible
and if you don't think so then you are welcome to disprove it
or at least mention which of its assumptions or conclusions
you consider invalid and prove them such. Of course it
would require you to get familiar with his theory.
Again I wish to emphasize my opinion is worthless.
Agreed.
But I have scientific training and will comment in that capacity.
It is unmitigated rubbish of the first order without any
redeeming intellectual value whatever.
Despite that, as you insist your opinion is worthless, could
you also mention same facts by which you support such
an opinion? Or you rather insist that your opinions are so
worthless that supporting them by facts would be waste
of time?
And I was not proposing that Hammond is anything but
the crank and crackpot he so obviously is.
After Newtonian gravity that was the most obvious thing
in the universe has been falsified by the action of the same
patent office clerk whose theory Hammond uses as a base
of his, nothing in science is obvious anymore, especially
admitefly worthless opinions, even if held by scientists.
Bill
-- Jim
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| User: "George Hammond" |
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01 Jun 2004 06:28:40 PM |
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"Jim Jastrzebski" <jimjast@neostrada.pl> wrote in message
news:c9fucc$jb$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl...
"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
news:tWWtc.16042$L.4372@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
<snip>
Hammond is appreciated by none ...
That's not true and you as a scientist who prefers facts should
never make sweeping generalizations that might contradict
facts, as in this case. The fact is that I happen to know more
than one person who appreciates Hammond's work.
... because his position is crap.
Not everybody would agree. E.g. in my opinion (which the
same as yours might be worthless) his theory is quite sensible
and if you don't think so then you are welcome to disprove it
or at least mention which of its assumptions or conclusions
you consider invalid and prove them such. Of course it
would require you to get familiar with his theory.
[Hammond]
Dear Jim Jastrzebski..... you're right of course.
It's interesting to speculate as to WHY you would be
right when nobody else is (about Hammond's discovery).
I make it to be for the following reasons:
1. You have sufficient academic credentials (I believe
you're actually a PhD in math-physics if I remember correctly)
2. You apparently have balls of brass... having had major
papers reviewed by the world's most prestigeous
scientific journals, including NATURE and SCIENCE.
which means certainly one thing... line professional academics
have a healthy respect for you... even if they dislike you and
disagree with you and reject your papers.
3. You grew up in a Nazi conquored country in WWII which
means you're not really impressed by internet hecklers.
this means you probably have a sensitive nose for unfair
persecution... which these dudes do not... and probably
have a suspicion about who Hammond is because of that.
4. You have a proven track record of being courageous and
unfearful.
<snip>
<snip>
Despite that, as you insist your opinion is worthless, could
you also mention same facts by which you support such
an opinion? Or you rather insist that your opinions are so
worthless that supporting them by facts would be waste
of time?
And I was not proposing that Hammond is anything but
the crank and crackpot he so obviously is.
After Newtonian gravity that was the most obvious thing
in the universe has been falsified by the action of the same
patent office clerk whose theory Hammond uses as a base
of his, nothing in science is obvious anymore, especially
admitefly worthless opinions, even if held by scientists.
Bill
-- Jim
[Hammond]
thanks again Jim.... the old veterans are disappearing fast,
glad you're still with us... these young kids don't know what
we old basteds have been through.
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| User: "Bill Hobba" |
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31 May 2004 05:47:00 PM |
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"Jim Jastrzebski" <jimjast@neostrada.pl> wrote in message
news:c9fucc$jb$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl...
"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
news:tWWtc.16042$L.4372@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
My opinion is worthless - I prefer fact over opinion - even my own. It
is
historical fact that Galileo was a great physicist and fully appreciated
by
others of intellect.
But it is also a historical fact that Hammond, a physicists who
graduated just in the last century, must know much more physics
than Galileo ever did, so according to those facts (that you prefer
over opinions) he is even greater physicists than Galileo.
That simply does not follow. It assumes:
1. He actually did graduate.
2. The institution actually taught a modern physics cirricula
3. He remembers it
4. He did not bribe someone to get his marks.
The list goes on and on.
Hammond is appreciated by none ...
That's not true and you as a scientist who prefers facts should
never make sweeping generalizations that might contradict
facts, as in this case. The fact is that I happen to know more
than one person who appreciates Hammond's work.
Then of course I need to sharpen my statement to ensure it is not
misunderstood. Hammond is appreciated by no one who has a brain in their
head. Of course that is not a falsifiable statement because if you
appreciate Hammond you obviously do not have a brain. But it fits in well
with what Hammond writes.
... because his position is crap.
Not everybody would agree. E.g. in my opinion (which the
same as yours might be worthless) his theory is quite sensible
and if you don't think so then you are welcome to disprove it
or at least mention which of its assumptions or conclusions
you consider invalid and prove them such. Of course it
would require you to get familiar with his theory.
Look up the deintion of falisfiable and ponder the sharpening of my position
I detailed above.
Again I wish to emphasize my opinion is worthless.
Agreed.
Glad to see we agree on something.
But I have scientific training and will comment in that capacity.
It is unmitigated rubbish of the first order without any
redeeming intellectual value whatever.
Despite that, as you insist your opinion is worthless, could
you also mention same facts by which you support such
an opinion? Or you rather insist that your opinions are so
worthless that supporting them by facts would be waste
of time?
Certianly - ever hear of the scientific method:
The principles and empirical processes of discovery and demonstration
considered characteristic of or necessary for scientific investigation,
generally involving the observation of phenomena, the formulation of a
hypothesis concerning the phenomena, experimentation to demonstrate the
truth or falseness of the hypothesis, and a conclusion that validates or
modifies the hypothesis.
Now exactly what experiments has Hammond proposed to test and possibly
falsify his theory?
And I was not proposing that Hammond is anything but
the crank and crackpot he so obviously is.
After Newtonian gravity that was the most obvious thing
in the universe has been falsified by the action of the same
patent office clerk whose theory Hammond uses as a base
of his, nothing in science is obvious anymore, especially
admitefly worthless opinions, even if held by scientists.
Would you care to give us a rundown of the reason that particular patent
clerk proposed G = T ie what exactly is the key physical idea behind it?
Bill
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| User: "George Hammond" |
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| Title: Re: A Letter to George Hammond, and all Christians for that matter. |
01 Jun 2004 06:28:40 PM |
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"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
news:EBOuc.20750$L.12806@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Jim Jastrzebski" <jimjast@neostrada.pl> wrote in message
news:c9fucc$jb$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl...
"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
news:tWWtc.16042$L.4372@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
My opinion is worthless - I prefer fact over opinion - even my own.
It
is
historical fact that Galileo was a great physicist and fully
appreciated
by
others of intellect.
But it is also a historical fact that Hammond, a physicists who
graduated just in the last century, must know much more physics
than Galileo ever did, so according to those facts (that you prefer
over opinions) he is even greater physicists than Galileo.
That simply does not follow. It assumes:
1. He actually did graduate.
2. The institution actually taught a modern physics cirricula
3. He remembers it
4. He did not bribe someone to get his marks.
[Hammond]
Hey lazibones... my CV is conspicuously posted
on my website. If you want to make some charges of
fraudulent credentials I suggest you pick up the
phone and call Worcester polytechnic Institute
and the Northeaster University grad record dept.
before you shoot your mouth off.
They will tell you I have a B.S. ('64) and M.S. ('67)
in Physics.
The list goes on and on.
Hammond is appreciated by none ...
That's not true and you as a scientist who prefers facts should
never make sweeping generalizations that might contradict
facts, as in this case. The fact is that I happen to know more
than one person who appreciates Hammond's work.
Then of course I need to sharpen my statement to ensure it is not
misunderstood. Hammond is appreciated by no one who has a brain in their
head. Of course that is not a falsifiable statement because if you
appreciate Hammond you obviously do not have a brain. But it fits in well
with what Hammond writes.
... because his position is crap.
Not everybody would agree. E.g. in my opinion (which the
same as yours might be worthless) his theory is quite sensible
and if you don't think so then you are welcome to disprove it
or at least mention which of its assumptions or conclusions
you consider invalid and prove them such. Of course it
would require you to get familiar with his theory.
Look up the defintion of falisfiable and ponder the sharpening of my
position
I detailed above.
Again I wish to emphasize my opinion is worthless.
Agreed.
Glad to see we agree on something.
But I have scientific training and will comment in that capacity.
It is unmitigated rubbish of the first order without any
redeeming intellectual value whatever.
Despite that, as you insist your opinion is worthless, could
you also mention same facts by which you support such
an opinion? Or you rather insist that your opinions are so
worthless that supporting them by facts would be waste
of time?
Certianly - ever hear of the scientific method:
The principles and empirical processes of discovery and demonstration
considered characteristic of or necessary for scientific investigation,
generally involving the observation of phenomena, the formulation of a
hypothesis concerning the phenomena, experimentation to demonstrate the
truth or falseness of the hypothesis, and a conclusion that validates or
modifies the hypothesis.
[Hammond]
This guy is full of horseshit... OBVIOUSLY he hasn't even
read the website and is just presumptively shooting his
mouth off... to say an M.S. in Physicis does not know what
"scientific method" is is HORSESHIT... frankly I'm tired
of line professional aggravated frustrated SIMPLETONS
like this guy shooting his moth off based on his PRESUMPTION
that there is no such thing as a scientific proof of God.
The SIMPLETON doesn't even know what God is
for chrissakes NOR DOES HE KNOW that there are actually
people in the world who DO... for instance MARY BAKER EDDY.
This Guy is a LOUDMOUTH BORE, a frustrated simpleton
who knows a little about science and thinks he's a bigshot.
Asenine... boring..... a frustrated line professional academic punk!
and you know it Jim.... after watching those aggravated Nazi's
strutting around in Warsaw during WWII... you know what I'm
talking about... this guy is juswt a soft core PRIG!
Now exactly what experiments has Hammond proposed to test and possibly
falsify his theory?
[Hammond]
this is where you ASENINE disregard for even READING a theoory
before you go shooting off your mouth shows up.
The theory has already been EXPERIMENTALLY PROVEN
by 100 years of published psychometry experiments (most of them
computerized dating from 1970-2000). My theory EXPLAINS,
and UNIFYS all of those publsihed experiments, and therefore the
experimentsw AQRE THE EXPERIMENTAL PROOF of the
theory. If the results were otherwise than what they are, the
theory would be FALSIFIED.
And I was not proposing that Hammond is anything but
the crank and crackpot he so obviously is.
[Hammond]
You're educated enough for me to call a PUNK, sir.
After Newtonian gravity that was the most obvious thing
in the universe has been falsified by the action of the same
patent office clerk whose theory Hammond uses as a base
of his, nothing in science is obvious anymore, especially
admitefly worthless opinions, even if held by scientists.
Would you care to give us a rundown of the reason that particular patent
clerk proposed G = T ie what exactly is the key physical idea behind it?
[Hammond]
No problem... since you're TOO LAZY to read my website which
explains it.
Real space causes Psychometry space. Therefore a curvature of
real space will cause a curvature of Psychometry space.
Since the curvature of real space is described by the Einstein's
curvature tensor G_uv, so is the curvature of psychometry space.
The curvature of real space is called GRAVITY, the curvature of
psychometry space is called GOD, therefore, God is caused
by Gravity and GOD=G_UV. Anything else you don't understand?
Bill
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My opinion is worthless - I prefer fact over opinion - even my own.
It
is
historical fact that Galileo was a great physicist and fully
appreciated
by
others of intellect.
But it is also a historical fact that Hammond, a physicists who
graduated just in the last century, must know much more physics
than Galileo ever did, so according to those facts (that you prefer
over opinions) he is even greater physicists than Galileo.
That simply does not follow. It assumes:
1. He actually did graduate.
2. The institution actually taught a modern physics cirricula
3. He remembers it
4. He did not bribe someone to get his marks.
[Hammond]
Hey lazibones... my CV is conspicuously posted
on my website. If you want to make some charges of
fraudulent credentials I suggest you pick up the
phone and call Worcester polytechnic Institute
and the Northeaster University grad record dept.
before you shoot your mouth off.
They will tell you I have a B.S. ('64) and M.S. ('67)
in Physics.
Yes, and that you failed out of the PhD. program. The M.S. was a booby
prize.
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01 Jun 2004 09:14:36 PM |
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In article <Ii8vc.40410$n_6.15239@attbi_s53>,
"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote:
Real space causes Psychometry space. Therefore a curvature of
real space will cause a curvature of Psychometry space.
Since the curvature of real space is described by the Einstein's
curvature tensor G_uv, so is the curvature of psychometry space.
The curvature of real space is called GRAVITY, the curvature of
psychometry space is called GOD, therefore, God is caused
by Gravity and GOD=G_UV. Anything else you don't understand?
Bill
Can you make Septic Capon, the Simple Pimple, believe it?
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04 Jun 2004 02:01:26 PM |
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom/virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom/virgil-B8128E.20143601062004@[63.218.45.211]...
In article <Ii8vc.40410$n_6.15239@attbi_s53>,
"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote:
Real space causes Psychometry space. Therefore a curvature of
real space will cause a curvature of Psychometry space.
Since the curvature of real space is described by the Einstein's
curvature tensor G_uv, so is the curvature of psychometry space.
The curvature of real space is called GRAVITY, the curvature of
psychometry space is called GOD, therefore, God is caused
by Gravity and GOD=G_UV. Anything else you don't understand?
Bill
Can you make Septic Capon, the Simple Pimple, believe it?
[Hammond]
No more than you can make him believe
any other proven scientific law, such as
F=ma, E=mc^2, or GOD=G_uv.
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04 Jun 2004 09:29:13 PM |
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"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom/virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom/virgil-B8128E.20143601062004@[63.218.45.211]...
In article <Ii8vc.40410$n_6.15239@attbi_s53>,
"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote:
Real space causes Psychometry space. Therefore a curvature of
real space will cause a curvature of Psychometry space.
Since the curvature of real space is described by the Einstein's
curvature tensor G_uv, so is the curvature of psychometry space.
The curvature of real space is called GRAVITY, the curvature of
psychometry space is called GOD, therefore, God is caused
by Gravity and GOD=G_UV.
One problem is that nobody other than Hammond calls the curvature of
psychometric space God.
Your "curvature of psychometric space" comes out of analyzing
psychometric space. Psychometric space is all and only about
human personalities. Anything derived from personalities will
apply only to personalities. Even you say that curvature in
real space causes a curvature in psychometry space and not
the other way around. So, are you now saying that God
is something involved with and limited to personalities?
If GOD = G_uv then God is nothing but some sort of
personality quirk.
You represent yourself as a Christian. The Christian God (as
literally interpreted from the Bible) is some sort of supreme being
that created and rules over the universe. Your "God is
a curvature of psychometric space" (ie. God is a quirk of
personality) is a far cry from the usual Christian God.
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06 Jun 2004 08:34:07 AM |
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"Scot McDermid" <scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote in message
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"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Virgil" <ITSnetNOTcom/virgil@COMCAST.com> wrote in message
news:ITSnetNOTcom/virgil-B8128E.20143601062004@[63.218.45.211]...
In article <Ii8vc.40410$n_6.15239@attbi_s53>,
"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote:
Real space causes Psychometry space. Therefore a curvature of
real space will cause a curvature of Psychometry space.
Since the curvature of real space is described by the Einstein's
curvature tensor G_uv, so is the curvature of psychometry space.
The curvature of real space is called GRAVITY, the curvature of
psychometry space is called GOD, therefore, God is caused
by Gravity and GOD=G_UV.
One problem is that nobody other than Hammond calls the curvature of
psychometric space God.
[Hammond]
Cripes..... at least you're paying attention..... that's more than can
be said of the rest of this crowd.
To begin with, the "curvature factor" is the "last factor in
all of Psychometry" (the top factor in the enire heirarchy).
that alone gives it a special signeficance.
Your "curvature of psychometric space" comes out of analyzing
psychometric space. Psychometric space is all and only about
human personalities. Anything derived from personalities will
apply only to personalities.
[Hammond]
Uhhh..... there is also a "4th dimension" in psychometry
sapce, which turns out to be Intelligence (IQ) which is
NOT a personality dimension, just as "Time" is NOT
a space dimension.
Even you say that curvature in
real space causes a curvature in psychometry space and not
the other way around. So, are you now saying that God
is something involved with and limited to personalities?
If GOD = G_uv then God is nothing but some sort of
personality quirk.
[Hammond]
Naw, naw, naw..... professionals use the world
"cause" IN CONTEXT only.... like saying
"gauge invariance causes 'gauge bosons' to
exist". Nobody really believes that a mathematical
construct like a probablility wave function "causes"
an atomic particle... neverthe less the world "cause"
is universally used "IN CONTEXT" by the scientists.
I use the word the same way. Now, if you waqnt to come
along and start playing "semantics" with accepted usage..
it doesn't prove anything, since the context of the theory
makes it perfectly clear what the actual scientific
result is.
You represent yourself as a Christian. The Christian God (as
literally interpreted from the Bible) is some sort of supreme being
that created and rules over the universe. Your "God is
a curvature of psychometric space" (ie. God is a quirk of
personality) is a far cry from the usual Christian God.
[Hammond]
Naw, naw, naw..... "physics speaking" God is caused
by a curvature of psychometry space, but "psychologically
speaking" God is the perceptual power of the mind which
"causes reality". so what you are doing is mixing tow different
contexts to produce a paradox.... the paradox does not
actually exist.
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| User: "Scot McDermid" |
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06 Jun 2004 08:58:57 AM |
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"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:j3Fwc.48012
[Hammond]
Naw, naw, naw..... "physics speaking" God is caused
by a curvature of psychometry space, but "psychologically
speaking" God is the perceptual power of the mind which
"causes reality". so what you are doing is mixing tow different
contexts to produce a paradox.... the paradox does not
actually exist.
What you have done here, George, is redefine the word
"God" to mean either "mind" or "some component/ability of mind".
You have not proven the existence of (a literal interpretation of)
the Christian God. You have not proven the existence of a
being that created and rules over the universe. But your
"proof" *may* say something about the pantheist God.
SPOG would indicate that the pantheist God does not exist
except as "some component/ability of the human mind".
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06 Jun 2004 11:37:57 AM |
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"Scot McDermid" <scotmc@optNOonSPAMline.net> wrote in message
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"George Hammond" <research137@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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[Hammond]
Naw, naw, naw..... "physics speaking" God is caused
by a curvature of psychometry space, but "psychologically
speaking" God is the perceptual power of the mind which
"causes reality". so what you are doing is mixing tow different
contexts to produce a paradox.... the paradox does not
actually exist.
What you have done here, George, is redefine the word
"God" to mean either "mind" or "some component/ability of mind".
[Hammond]
You are using the word "define" incorrectly. The world you
are looking for is "proved"... I have "proved' that "god is the
mind".
You have not proven the existence of (a literal interpretation of)
the Christian God.
[Hammond]
Yes I have. In fact the idea is not even new with me.
Mary Baker Eddy has founded a major religion on
the proposal that "god is Mind".
What you don't realize is that the intelligentsia
of the world have ALWAYS KNOWN that God
is mind... it's just that if you can't prove it no one
would believe it....... I HAVE PROVED IT.
for instance Jesus himself says in John 4:24
"God is a spirit".... meaning that "God is mind".
You have not proven the existence of a
being that created and rules over the universe.
[Hammond]
WRONG. It certainly does,, since the mind
creates the world, it rules the world.
But your
"proof" *may* say something about the pantheist God.
SPOG would indicate that the pantheist God does not exist
except as "some component/ability of the human mind".
[Hammond]
The discovery clearly explains BOTH
polytheism and monotheism.
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"Bill Hobba" <bhobba@rubbish.net.au> wrote in message
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Would you care to give us a rundown of the reason that particular patent
clerk proposed G = T ie what exactly is the key physical idea behind it?
The key idea behind it has been that spacetime is curved.
It made, the obvious to almost all scientists of that time,
"universal gravitational attractive force acting at the distance
between all masses", a nonexistent entity, i.e. showed that
no such, force has ever existed in nature.
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