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"free radical" |
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31 Oct 2004 11:28:49 AM |
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A Message to Moral Atheists |
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
High taxes and complicated laws are also clearly evil. President Clinton's
refusal to lower taxes and lighten the regulatory load on business in 2000
at the start of the last recession clearly hurt the economy. Ohio has also
been hurt by high taxes and complicated business regulations passed by
liberals and so-called moderates. In fact, Ohio now has the third largest
state tax rate in the 50 states in the U.S.! Of course, President Bush's tax
cuts in the last four years have helped get us out of the recession, despite
the terrible attack on 9/11 and the efforts of the Arabs and Muslims in the
Middle East to raise oil and gasoline prices so they can also help defeat
President Bush.
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He is the
best moral choice this time.
Tom Snyder
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| User: "Phÿltêr" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
01 Nov 2004 05:15:02 AM |
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"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> astounded us with:
news:lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil
The above statement demonstrates you to be clearly a buffoon
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Phÿltêr
AA#1938
Denizen of Darkness #44 & AFJC Antipodean Attaché
http://forums.clickhalah.com/index.php
Remove "s" to respond
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| User: "Elf M. Sternberg" |
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31 Oct 2004 05:06:07 PM |
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"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> writes:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life.
No, they don't. Next stupid comment?
Elf
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| User: "Doc Smartass" |
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31 Oct 2004 04:24:24 PM |
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"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in
news:lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com:
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He
is the best moral choice this time.
You're welcome to make me vote thus; I would not want to be you should you
try.
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Dr. Smartass -- BAAWA Knight of Heckling -- a.a. #1939
*sig broken; watch for finger*
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| User: "Denis Loubet" |
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31 Oct 2004 01:42:54 PM |
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"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the
pre-natal
stage of human life.
Sorry, my morality cannot allow me to stomache the suffering and death of
FULLY FORMED HUMAN BEINGS if it can be prevented. I guess your "morality"
can, but mine can't.
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Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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31 Oct 2004 12:38:40 PM |
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"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
I certainly am, so I'll bite....
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the
pre-natal
stage of human life.
First, your argument of "murder unborn children" is a load of *****. This is
discussed regularly in abortion forums, and I won't go into it here.
Second, you are calling it 'evil' but you are using a religious context and
directing it to Atheists. That makes it laughably impotent.
Third, and this is the biggest so pay attention, your ignorance and
wailing-wall lies are irrelevant to medical advancement. You can insist that
a blob of 100 cells is "a human" all you'd like, but that doesn't make it
so. I find it appalling that you idiots are so obsessed with your ignorance
that you cannot let go of the tennis ball long enough to realize you're
standing in the middle of the ***** street.
We are standing at the threshold of medical advancements the likes of which
haven't been seen since smallpox and polio were eradicated, and you want to
cling to your fantasies and Sky Pixies.
Further, within the Christian(tm) belief system, I've asked if your God(tm)
would allow men to find a solution like this if He(tm) didn't want us to.
This is not a choice between whether to steal or not (which opens its own
can of worms) but how to fix the human body and further advance ourselves as
a species.
Legitimate religious beliefs support the reasearch. Atheist ethics support
it. The only people that don't are those that pander dogma and fear to the
masses, and those idiot massess that buy into it.
Stupid fucks like you that thrive on ignorance and hysteria are also part of
the problem.
As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Beginning with a false premise and building on it just furthers the
clusterfuck you call an 'argument.'
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United
States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
Bush attacked Iraq, you stupid *****. Osama was neither in Iraq, nor did he
have any ties with Saddam. "Strong military action" my *****.
And, in case you missed the news, Osama is still alive and making videos,
even after Bush said he would get him, dead or alive.
So, not only did Osama perpetuate the most horrific attack on American soil,
he still hasn't been brought to justice by the man who claimed he would do
so. That would be Bush.
High taxes and complicated laws are also clearly evil. President Clinton's
refusal to lower taxes and lighten the regulatory load on business in 2000
at the start of the last recession clearly hurt the economy.
Here you go with the usual tripe....
Here's your free clue:
CLINTON'S NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, YOU IGNORANT DOLT!
The current state of the economy can be laid at the feet of runaway spending
and the return of financial favors by the current administration, coupled
with 'tax cuts' that were not much more than a sleight of hand.
Ohio has also
been hurt by high taxes and complicated business regulations passed by
liberals and so-called moderates. In fact, Ohio now has the third largest
state tax rate in the 50 states in the U.S.! Of course, President Bush's
tax
cuts in the last four years have helped get us out of the recession,
despite
the terrible attack on 9/11 and the efforts of the Arabs and Muslims in
the
Middle East to raise oil and gasoline prices so they can also help defeat
President Bush.
I won't even bother with these distortions, lies and bogus 'facts.'
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He is
the
best moral choice this time.
Like hell he is.
George W. Bush is a blight on this country, and you're nothing more than a
sheep that is bleeting the same ***** that has grown in volume over the
past four-plus years.
All of this combined makes you a liar and an idiot.
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-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork Pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
(tm) 2004 G.O.P. All names used without permission from the copyright
holder. ***** 'em.
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| User: "Iain" |
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01 Nov 2004 02:12:39 PM |
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"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children
Ye say "unborn children". Thon's as caw aginit actual weans.
~Iain
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| User: "jwk" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
01 Nov 2004 03:38:04 PM |
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"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
High taxes and complicated laws are also clearly evil. President Clinton's
refusal to lower taxes and lighten the regulatory load on business in 2000
at the start of the last recession clearly hurt the economy. Ohio has also
been hurt by high taxes and complicated business regulations passed by
liberals and so-called moderates. In fact, Ohio now has the third largest
state tax rate in the 50 states in the U.S.! Of course, President Bush's tax
cuts in the last four years have helped get us out of the recession, despite
the terrible attack on 9/11 and the efforts of the Arabs and Muslims in the
Middle East to raise oil and gasoline prices so they can also help defeat
President Bush.
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He is the
best moral choice this time.
Tom Snyder
Living in his own, little, insane world.
jwk
BAAWA
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| User: "Peter van Velzen" |
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02 Nov 2004 07:03:03 AM |
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"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message news:<lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
This is a message for the deluded then?
Those who are moral, clearly do not consider themselves to be good,
just as truly moral christians consider themselves to be sinners.
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Those who are truly historically literate, will actually propose the
research,
will pay damages to the father, as one old book proposes for such
cases:)
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
Bin Laded defeated the ruling party in Spain?
Why wasn't that in the news?
There are those who think Osama would rather see George Bush win.
As Bushes actions create many more BIn Laden-fans.
High taxes and complicated laws are also clearly evil. President Clinton's
refusal to lower taxes and lighten the regulatory load on business in 2000
at the start of the last recession clearly hurt the economy. Ohio has also
been hurt by high taxes and complicated business regulations passed by
liberals and so-called moderates. In fact, Ohio now has the third largest
state tax rate in the 50 states in the U.S.! Of course, President Bush's tax
cuts in the last four years have helped get us out of the recession, despite
the terrible attack on 9/11 and the efforts of the Arabs and Muslims in the
Middle East to raise oil and gasoline prices so they can also help defeat
President Bush.
Now I am sure you are as deluded as you intended audience.
As far as I know the economy was going well in while Clinton was in
the whitehouse, and only collapsed after Bush attacked Irak and got
the oil-price up.
Never mind if you like Bush, you should get your facts straight!
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He is the
best moral choice this time.
Tom Snyder
Yeah yeah, the best moral choice is to abuse atheists, to have
homosexuals ***** around (o what a disaster if they have a single
spouse), to have Americans commit crimes against humanity without
punishment, and to kill 100.000 Irakis.
Sure sure.
Think for yourself
Peter van Velzen
Materialst#1
Oktober 2004
Amstelveen
The Netherlands
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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31 Oct 2004 05:01:19 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:28:49 GMT, "free radical"
<titus213@pacbell.net> let us all know that:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children
No, they don't.
Usama
You watch Faux News, don't you? I'll bet you also use the idiotic
"homicide bomber", don't you?
Don
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aa #51, Knight of BAAWA, DNRC o-, Member of the [H]orde
Atheist Minister for St. Dogbert.
"No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another"
Picard to Data/Graves "The Schizoid Man"
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| User: "*nemo*" |
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01 Nov 2004 05:06:50 AM |
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In article <lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
"free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
You're talking out of your *****. But it's not nearly as funny as when Jim
Carrey does it.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
And what exactly does this have to do with us? Anyway, it apparently
hasn't occurred to you, just as it hasnt occurred to Bush and his New
American Century thug handlers, that hunting down and killing "all the
terrorists" won't work. You'd think that Israel's experience would have
been at least a little bit instructive.
High taxes and complicated laws are also clearly evil. President Clinton's
refusal to lower taxes and lighten the regulatory load on business in 2000
at the start of the last recession clearly hurt the economy. Ohio has also
been hurt by high taxes and complicated business regulations passed by
liberals and so-called moderates. In fact, Ohio now has the third largest
state tax rate in the 50 states in the U.S.! Of course, President Bush's tax
cuts in the last four years have helped get us out of the recession, despite
the terrible attack on 9/11 and the efforts of the Arabs and Muslims in the
Middle East to raise oil and gasoline prices so they can also help defeat
President Bush.
Once again, what does this have to do with atheism or morality?
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He is the
best moral choice this time.
You're a blithering idiot. You know this, don't you?
--
Nemo - EAC Commissioner for Bible Belt Underwater Operations.
Atheist #1331 (the Palindrome of doom!)
BAAWA Knight! - One of those warm Southern Knights, y'all!
Charter member, SMASH!!
http://home.earthlink.net/~jehdjh/Relpg.html
Draco Dormiens Nunquam Titillandus
Quotemeister since March 2002
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| User: "quibbler" |
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31 Oct 2004 06:01:36 PM |
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In article <lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
titus213@pacbell.net says...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil
There are ethically right and wrong decisions. Evil is a ridiculous
fiction, often invented by primitive
because these
"medical" procedures torture
Horseshit. 3 to 5 day embryos don't have brains or even nerves and
unequivocally cannot feel any kind of pain whatsoever. Therefore your
assertion of torture is totally discredited.
and murder unborn children
No murder is a legal concept and abortion is legally permissible. Women
who are not ready to have kids should not be forced to do so, and the
rights of an adult woman should take precedence over a tiny clump of
cells growing inside her.
during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists
You clearly lack historical literacy because experimenting on live
humans without their consent is entirely different than experimenting
upon single stem cells that are not capable of giving consent. Abortion
is a means of birth control and population control. It is a last
resort. 90% of all abortions take place in the first trimester and 99%
take place in the first 20 weeks. Late term abortions are almost
exclusively to save the life or health of the mother.
<rest of your moronic ***** snipped>
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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31 Oct 2004 01:51:03 PM |
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In our last episode <lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, free
radical lept out of the bushes shouting:
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush.
He launched an unprovoked war against a nation that did not attack us,
could not attack us, and did not even have the capacity to threaten us.
He is not moral by any measure. He should be prosecuted for war crimes.
Oh and... plonk.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Being surprised at the fact that the universe
is fine tuned for life is akin to a puddle being
surprised at how well it fits its hole"
-- Douglas Adams
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Nov 2004 07:47:43 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 13:51:03 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<alt-atheism@org.webmaster> wrote:
In our last episode <lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>, free
radical lept out of the bushes shouting:
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush.
He launched an unprovoked war against a nation that did not attack us,
could not attack us, and did not even have the capacity to threaten us.
He is not moral by any measure. He should be prosecuted for war crimes.
And crimes against humanity-as well as treason.
Oh and... plonk.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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31 Oct 2004 02:12:53 PM |
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On 31 Oct 2004, free radical dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral,
good people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because
these "medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during
the pre-natal stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are
truly historically literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and
experimented on Jews and other people.
[snip crap]
Yet another fundy places a knee into the groin of scientific advancement.
Wake up, wise-*****. Unborn = not alive = dead. The only ones stem-cell
research is hurting are you idiot-crackers who believe a soul is assigned
upon conception.
Can you answer this? Why would your god assign a soul to a fetus which
He, thru His divine omniscience, knows will be still-born?
--
Vic Sagerquist
aa#2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
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Vote for John Kerry
God belongs in church, not the White House.
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Nov 2004 07:49:41 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:12:53 GMT, Vic Sagerquist
<address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 31 Oct 2004, free radical dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral,
good people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because
these "medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during
the pre-natal stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are
truly historically literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and
experimented on Jews and other people.
[snip crap]
Yet another fundy places a knee into the groin of scientific advancement.
Wake up, wise-*****. Unborn = not alive = dead. The only ones stem-cell
research is hurting are you idiot-crackers who believe a soul is assigned
upon conception.
Can you answer this? Why would your god assign a soul to a fetus which
He, thru His divine omniscience, knows will be still-born?
For the same reason it lost against primitive chariots on a level
plain although it knew not only the enemy's battle plan, but the
individual soldier's training and how each would react under various
scripted stimulii. It was stupid (not to mention it all is fiction).
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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01 Nov 2004 02:10:30 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 20:12:53 GMT, Vic Sagerquist <address@withheld.com> wrote:
On 31 Oct 2004, free radical dropped trou, farted, whirled, then
shouted:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral,
good people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because
these "medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during
the pre-natal stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are
truly historically literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and
experimented on Jews and other people.
[snip crap]
Yet another fundy places a knee into the groin of scientific advancement.
Wake up, wise-*****. Unborn = not alive = dead. The only ones stem-cell
research is hurting are you idiot-crackers who believe a soul is assigned
upon conception.
Can you answer this? Why would your god assign a soul to a fetus which
He, thru His divine omniscience, knows will be still-born?
That's easy. Their god, gives it a soul at conception, knowing that it will be
aborted, because a soul, makes it human.
Killing a human, is against god's law, and he can send the mother, and everybody
else involved, to hell.
If the foetus does not have a soul, it is not human, and so no crime has been
committed.
Oddly enough, the bible puts very little value on the life of a foetus
EXO 21:22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart
from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according
as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges
determine.
EXO 21:23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
EXO 21:24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
EXO 21:25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.
For the benefit of any xtian, reading this, I will explain the passage.
The killing of a foetus, is an inconvenience, a misdemeanor, for which the
guilty party is only liable to such punishment as the husband is able to
administer, and a fine, set by the judges.
No sacrifice is required for absolution, as would be for absolution for murder,
so it is not a sin, only a very minor crime, in fact, probably a civil matter,
rather than a criminal one.
Only if the woman is harmed, if the husband's *property, is damaged, does he
come under the full weight of the law
This whole "abortion is a sin", crap, is a 20th century addition, which ignores
biblical law, and biblical definition.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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31 Oct 2004 07:22:27 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:28:49 GMT, "free radical"
<titus213@pacbell.net> wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life.
I'm all for it. People have a lawful right to have abortions.
Having babies is not a right or requirement it's a decision. Bravo to
all the women that abort. It shows they are not ready or willing to
bring a child into this world. Good for them!
You fucking christians are sickening. Mind your own fucking
business. Where are all the christians paying for and adopting
unwanted children? HUH!? Where is the wonderful christian center that
sees to the needs of unwanted babies? HUH!?
You're nothing but a bunch of big mouth 'moral' hypocrites.
Have the baby! You did? Good. Adios, 'cuse we don't give a *****
after that.
Lets not forget that your Magic Pixie kills more babies by
miscarriage than by abortions.
Oops! That doesn't count! That's a god thing. HE had a good reason
to flush the little fucker to hell. Imagine what it's like for a
miscarriage in heaven..... So, how was your life? Don't know. One
minute I warm and happy the next I'm riding a turd down to the sewer
pipe. But that's god for you.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "stoney" |
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01 Nov 2004 07:43:50 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:28:49 GMT, "free radical"
<titus213@pacbell.net> wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Oh *****, you ignorant, drooling piece of Nazi horse *****.
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| User: "Dubh Ghall" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
01 Nov 2004 01:10:05 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:28:49 GMT, "free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture
Torture?
Look up the meaning of torture, and a little neurology, and discover what is
needed for torture to take place.
and murder unborn children
You are using emotion, rather than reason.
BTW, have you ever heard the terms, still born, or miscarry?
These sources can also supply stem cells, possibly not enough for all of the
research that we would like to see, but enough to be going on with.
If these boffins are as smart as they ought to be, they will find other,
acceptable ways of getting stem cells, once they have enough to do some serious
work with.
Those sources could be gathered from all over the world, at need, and they could
also help us to understand why some women miscarry, or still births happen.
Would you have some moral objection to stem cell research, under those
conditions, and if so, why?
during the pre-natal
stage of human life.
Now there is a nice vague parameter, but then, most religious arguments are
founded on variable constants.
I think you will find that as a general principal, where ever you go in the
world, abortion is only permitted during the first trimester.
After that, you must show extenuating circumstance, and the later it is, the
more extreme the need must be.
As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
That bad?
Mmm.
You do love your emotive pictures; don't you?
Not a shred of reason so far, but enough emotion, to have the gullible, weeping
in the aisles.
So tell me: Which of these aborted foetus' was self aware, or had the
requirements to feel any pain?
Remembering, of course, that up until very recently, surgery carried out on new
born babies, did not involve anaesthetics, as the brain is not yet developed
enough to feel pain.
As I understand it, what they are given today, owes more to a sedative, that an
anesthetic, as it's primary purpose is to relax the baby, and keep it still.
Babies do not have to be hurting, to move, or cry.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
Yes. Well.
Politically at least, I have some sympathy for him, and every body else, that
the good ol' US of A, has used, and abused, in the past.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
Actually, I doubt that.
I suspect that Al Qaeeda(sp), would like nothing better than another term of
Dubya's subtle diplomacy.
Four more years of Bush, should be enough to unite the middle east, against
America, and start an un-Holy War; Chistristendom against Islam.
Massacre, in god's name.
bin Laden, has got what he wanted, but four more years of Bush, would ice his
cake nicely.
High taxes and complicated laws are also clearly evil.
I recall nothing in the bible, about taxes, and laws, other that the insistence
that you pay/obey, them.
You want the services that your taxes pay for, and the protection that your
legal system gives you, in the law, and from it, but you do not want to pay the
taxes, or have to suffer the complexity of laws, intended to give you the
maximum protection.
You can't have it both ways.
President Clinton's
refusal to lower taxes and lighten the regulatory load on business in 2000
at the start of the last recession clearly hurt the economy.
But not nearly as much as Bushes tax cuts to all his cronies, and his private
little war.
Ohio has also
been hurt by high taxes and complicated business regulations passed by
liberals and so-called moderates. In fact, Ohio now has the third largest
state tax rate in the 50 states in the U.S.!
Let me get this right; you are discussing "State" tax, not "Federal", tax:
Right?
Now, IIRC, state taxes are set by the state, and have no bearing, what-so-ever,
on who is president, which makes that little whinge, irrelevant.
Of course, President Bush's tax
cuts in the last four years have helped get us out of the recession,
Are you out of your tiny mind?
When Bush was installed, your country had a huge trade surplus; Four years of
Bush, and you are damn near bankrupt. But just to be sure that the rich get rich
and the poor stay poor, he gave a huge cut in corporate tax.
Cuts in corporate taxes, do nothing for business, all they do, is to boost the
dividends the share holders get.
despite
the terrible attack on 9/11 and the efforts of the Arabs and Muslims in the
Middle East to raise oil and gasoline prices so they can also help defeat
President Bush.
Ah yes. Bush starts a war in the middle east, potentially destabilizing the
whole area, terrorists start bombing oil fields, in countries which sell oil to
the USA, and so those countries increase their prices, to compensate for their
losses. But the price hike has nothing to do with Dubya, starting a bloody war?
Okay.
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He is the
best moral choice this time.
I am of the opinion, that moral atheists, and anyone else you care to list, will
be aware of where your morality stems from.
A man is most voluble on the causes he holds dearest: four lines about abortion,
and near four times that, about money.
Still; finding the afterthought, at the beginning of your post, rather than at
the end, was interesting.
Or was that bit about abortion, merely a sop for the anti choice faction, in the
hope they will support your greed based, whining?
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| User: "sAnToLiNa" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
31 Oct 2004 07:37:00 PM |
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free radical <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the
pre-natal
stage of human life.
Hence God is clearly evil since he allows quite a high percentage of them to
develop abnormally or be flushed away completely.
As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
You compare the Almighty to the Nazis? Even I wouldn't go that far.
(snip)
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| User: "The other Donald" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
31 Oct 2004 07:47:13 PM |
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"sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com> wrote in message
news:2uliatF2bk1vsU1@uni-berlin.de...
free radical <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the
pre-natal
stage of human life.
Hence God is clearly evil since he allows quite a high percentage of them
to
develop abnormally or be flushed away completely.
As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews
and
other people.
You compare the Almighty to the Nazis? Even I wouldn't go that far.
(snip)
I would, except that it would be an insult to Nazis.
--
-Donald in Austin
AA #2104
Apatriot #22
Atheist FF/EMT
.....and ordained minister
Stork pin recipient: May 1, 2003 -Madelyn
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
01 Nov 2004 07:52:16 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:37:00 -0800, "sAnToLiNa" <mystery@babylon.com>
wrote:
free radical <titus213@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:lh9hd.2950$zx1.1742@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the
pre-natal
stage of human life.
Hence God is clearly evil since he allows quite a high percentage of them to
develop abnormally or be flushed away completely.
As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
You compare the Almighty to the Nazis? Even I wouldn't go that far.
Since the Nazis were babes just out of the womb in comparison.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "W=Waffler" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
31 Oct 2004 06:33:54 PM |
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free radical wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
Bush has also swollen the ranks of terror groups by his invasion of
Iraq, a completely non-threatening country.
Terrorists support Bush/Cheney.
James
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| User: "Clayton Insert Pop Culture Pun Here" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
01 Nov 2004 12:49:59 AM |
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"W=Waffler" <jwa1968@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Svfhd.14267$KJ6.10185@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net...
free radical wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the
pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly
historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews
and
other people.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United
States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong
military
action against them.
Bush has also swollen the ranks of terror groups by his invasion of
Iraq, a completely non-threatening country.
Well it was threatening, but totally impotent. Invading Iraq was like
throwing two dozen grenades into the family home of an obnoxious and
verbally abusive quadriplegic and claiming it was self defence!!
Terrorists support Bush/Cheney.
James
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
01 Nov 2004 07:50:51 PM |
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:33:54 GMT, W=Waffler <jwa1968@earthlink.net>
wrote:
free radical wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
Bush has also swollen the ranks of terror groups by his invasion of
Iraq, a completely non-threatening country.
Bush is Osama's top recruiter.
Terrorists support Bush/Cheney.
James
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Jim Austin" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
01 Nov 2004 12:48:58 AM |
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free radical wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Exodus 21:20-4 does not support this conclusions about abortion.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
Bin Laden and cohorts want to set up a theocracy, just like certain
Christian fundamentalists here in this country.
High taxes and complicated laws are also clearly evil. President Clinton's
refusal to lower taxes and lighten the regulatory load on business in 2000
at the start of the last recession clearly hurt the economy. Ohio has also
been hurt by high taxes and complicated business regulations passed by
liberals and so-called moderates. In fact, Ohio now has the third largest
state tax rate in the 50 states in the U.S.! Of course, President Bush's tax
cuts in the last four years have helped get us out of the recession, despite
the terrible attack on 9/11 and the efforts of the Arabs and Muslims in the
Middle East to raise oil and gasoline prices so they can also help defeat
President Bush.
Biblical morality indicates that the rich should give all their money
away. (Mark 10:21-23)
Thus, moral atheists must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He is the
best moral choice this time.
The moral imperative to vote for Bush is the belief in the right of
self-defense. The belief is not supported by the Bible that urges us
to turn the other cheek, do good to those who persecute us, etc.
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| User: "Jez" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
31 Oct 2004 01:25:33 PM |
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free radical wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Oh well, that's me out.
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Jez
'Realism is seductive because once you have accepted the reasonable
notion that you should base your actions on reality, you are too often
led to accept, without much questioning, someone else's version of what
that reality is. It is a crucial act of independent thinking to be
skeptical of someone else's description of reality.'-
Howard Zinn
Skype callto://hellward
NFS Porsche Unleashed, Hot Pursuit 2, Underground.
Yeowww
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| User: "stoney" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
01 Nov 2004 07:46:55 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 19:25:33 +0000, Jez
<iced_spear@NOSPAMdsl.pipex.com> wrote:
free radical wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
Oh well, that's me out.
Still, you beat the hell out of Snyder!
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Vote for Bush. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
No matter the candidates the superstition industry wins.
'Jesus' is a sock-puppet Christians utilize to add 'authority' to
whatever action they intend on taking. -Stoney
And Duty Imp and Rapscallion
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| User: "Graham Kennedy" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
31 Oct 2004 11:45:27 AM |
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free radical wrote:
This is a message to atheists who consider themselves to be moral, good
people:
That's me...
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life.
No, they are no such thing since the cells in question
do not constitute a person.
As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
No, for the same reason.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
Doubtful. Actually, I rather suspect that Bin Laden is
hoping like hell that Bush is re-elected. Certainly his
video message seems designed to help Bush out.
--
Graham Kennedy
Creator and Author,
Daystrom Institute Technical Library
http://www.ditl.org
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| User: "Clayton Insert Pop Culture Pun Here" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral Atheists |
31 Oct 2004 06:42:15 PM |
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free radical wrote:
Why don't you go into your living room and rape the dead pig you use for a
coffee table you rancid maggot eating, sphincter slashing razor blade
shitter!!!
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