| Topic: |
Religions > Atheism |
| User: |
"IKnowHimDoYou" |
| Date: |
26 May 2004 12:03:43 PM |
| Object: |
A new way to produce stem cells? |
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
.
|
|
| User: "Bob Dog" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
27 May 2004 03:48:16 AM |
|
|
(IBlowHimYouDon't) wrote in message news:<IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>...
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
Dear Mr. IBlowHimYouDon't:
Stem cells come from feotuses destined for the garbage can:
eggs that the parents don't want or need because the mother
is pregnant, or they can't afford to keep paying to freeze.
Unless you're willing to pay the thousands of dollars per
year to keep them frozen or know women willing to pay to
have the eggs implanted, don't criticize their use.
But of course, finding facts is not part of the xianazi
methodology.
Bob Dog
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Silver Blaze" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
26 May 2004 09:51:39 PM |
|
|
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
And a will to reform
+++++++++++++
.
|
|
|
| User: "jw" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
27 May 2004 01:39:24 AM |
|
|
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:51:39 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
jw
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
jw
+++++++++++++
.
|
|
|
| User: "Silver Blaze" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
28 May 2004 06:13:14 PM |
|
|
In article <ru2bb01ocm2dqiuns7ec01d8dobbkagr0n@4ax.com>, jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Firstly you appear to be off your meds again
Secondly the concept that all Christians oppose stem cell research appears
to be a product of your own dementia and no-one elses
I'd talk to a doctor about these paranoid fantasies of yours. You seem to
be getting much worse lately
++++++++++++
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Silver Blaze" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
28 May 2004 06:16:30 PM |
|
|
In article <ru2bb01ocm2dqiuns7ec01d8dobbkagr0n@4ax.com>, jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
My brother and his family ARE American.
If you are having fantasies now about terrorist acts I sincerely hope FBI
monitors call you in for interrogation.
And as far as i am concerned they CAN put a hood on your head so long as
it is only for a minute.
A minutes peace is worth having after all for the rest of us - they can
use that minute to get you a proper doctor!
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
28 May 2004 08:07:10 PM |
|
|
On Wed, 26 May 2004 23:39:24 -0700 in episode
<ru2bb01ocm2dqiuns7ec01d8dobbkagr0n@4ax.com> we saw our hero jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>:
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly soiled
underwear.
Ah, feel the love!
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
.
|
|
|
| User: "Robibnikofff" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
28 May 2004 08:46:14 PM |
|
|
In article <pan.2004.05.29.01.07.10.199707@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 23:39:24 -0700 in episode
<ru2bb01ocm2dqiuns7ec01d8dobbkagr0n@4ax.com> we saw our hero jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>:
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly soiled
underwear.
Ah, feel the love!
Yikes! Looks like bi-polar porno boy forgot to take his medication today.
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo & EAC Spellcaster
#1557
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
28 May 2004 08:51:42 PM |
|
|
On Sat, 29 May 2004 01:46:14 +0000 in episode
<GXRtc.4587$H4.283@www.newsranger.com> we saw our hero Robibnikofff
<nospam@newsranger.com>:
In article <pan.2004.05.29.01.07.10.199707@hoo.com-amikchi>, Mark K. Bilbo
says...
On Wed, 26 May 2004 23:39:24 -0700 in episode
<ru2bb01ocm2dqiuns7ec01d8dobbkagr0n@4ax.com> we saw our hero jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>:
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly soiled
underwear.
Ah, feel the love!
Yikes! Looks like bi-polar porno boy forgot to take his medication today.
Really. He's just *shrieking today.
(Gusting up to Dore force)
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"I think it's the worst kept secret in Washington.
That everybody - everybody I talk to in Washington
has known and fully knows what [the neo-conservative]
agenda was and what they were trying to do."
[Retired General Anthony Zinni]
.
|
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Jos Flachs" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
27 May 2004 06:07:14 AM |
|
|
On Wed, 26 May 2004 23:39:24 -0700, jw
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> cross posted as always to
alt.talk.creationism,alt.religion.christian.baptist,alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,alt.religion.christian.biblestudy,alt.atheism:
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
Many if not most do. Where as few if any atheists are opposed to it.
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sjonny, sjonny... so childish... so ... you.
One slap with a wet eel.
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
Another slap with a wet eel.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Four slaps with a wet eel. <replace eel, this one is finished>
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
Two slaps with a fresh wet eel.
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
No, merely you. And christianity. The others can stay.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Quite. If it DOES. Whenever that will be. It is about 2000 years
overdue now.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
One slap with the same wet eel.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
How loving you are. You really like your neighbors, eh? Especially
when they die in a fire.
Sixteen slaps with a wet eel, for being so humanitarian.
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "Raymond Griffith" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
27 May 2004 07:01:30 AM |
|
|
jw <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:51:39 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
jw
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
Ahhh, the true motivation surfaces. You are not living for the day that
Christ returns because you love your Savior, but rather because you hate
your enemy. This is definitely an un-Christian attitude, and one that
will be rebuked by Him at His returning.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
+++++++++++++
.
|
|
|
| User: "John W" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
27 May 2004 10:04:08 PM |
|
|
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:01:30 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
jw <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:51:39 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
jw
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
Ahhh, the true motivation surfaces. You are not living for the day that
Christ returns because you love your Savior, but rather because you hate
your enemy.
And you, Ray, are a liar. You cannot POSSIBLY know my motivations.
You can only assume. And you assume incorrectly.
Have you ever heard, when you ASSUME, you make an ***** of yourself.
Well, you're one of the worst for assuming wrongly that I have ever
met.
Before you THINK you know what someone means and you JUMP into the
fray, perhaps use your mind for a change and ask for some
clarification.
This is definitely an un-Christian attitude, and one that
will be rebuked by Him at His returning.
And your denial of the Godness of Christ and the Trinity will be
"rewarded" as well.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
And as you DRAG hundreds down into hell with you (as a false teacher),
you should be proud that both you and your followers are hell-bound.
In this late time before He returns, I STRONGLY believe that we are
past the "Age of Grace" and now it's time for "tough love." Since
Ozzie the heretic could care LESS about God or Christianity, I leave
him and you to God, but I don't take crap from EITHER of you; nor did
my Lord Jesus Christ.
When the Pharisees spouted off and heckled Him, He heckled them right
back.
jw
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
+++++++++++++
.
|
|
|
| User: "Mike Painter" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
27 May 2004 11:24:56 PM |
|
|
"John W @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
news:tnadb09ovc7ha1q89dehji0hql8sqliupt@4ax.com...
Have you ever heard, when you ASSUME, you make an ***** of yourself.
Well, you're one of the worst for assuming wrongly that I have ever
met.
Actually the idea is tha that you make a ***** out of "u" and "me"
It is a stupid concept. people make assumptions all the time. If they did
not they would live in a very confused world.
It would also be rather dangerous as people must make an assumption og guilt
before they arrest anyone.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
And as you DRAG hundreds down into hell with you (as a false teacher),
you should be proud that both you and your followers are hell-bound.
Hell might be the better choice if it existed.
Your bible gives clear "evidence"
1. Things in the presence of your god decided to leave that presence.
2. Adding up the violence done to man by your god in your bible and
comparing it with what the devil did makes hell look good.
3. If a parent treated a child as your god treats people the parent would be
condemned
the list is long.
In this late time before He returns, I STRONGLY believe that we are
past the "Age of Grace" and now it's time for "tough love." Since
Ozzie the heretic could care LESS about God or Christianity, I leave
him and you to God, but I don't take crap from EITHER of you; nor did
my Lord Jesus Christ.
When the Pharisees spouted off and heckled Him, He heckled them right
back.
Wow. He heckled them.
.
|
|
|
| User: "Silver Blaze" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
28 May 2004 06:29:27 PM |
|
|
I
"John W @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
news:tnadb09ovc7ha1q89dehji0hql8sqliupt@4ax.com...
When the Pharisees spouted off and heckled Him, He heckled them right
back.
And on that basis we are only fulfilling our Christian duty to behave in
that manner towards you.
Whatever the Pharisees were really like - you certainly are not nice
Not at all
+
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "John W" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
28 May 2004 11:52:46 PM |
|
|
x-no-archive: yes
On Fri, 28 May 2004 04:24:56 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
john w replied
"John W @yahoo.com>" <john_weatherly47<no> wrote in message
news:tnadb09ovc7ha1q89dehji0hql8sqliupt@4ax.com...
Have you ever heard, when you ASSUME, you make an ***** of yourself.
Well, you're one of the worst for assuming wrongly that I have ever
met.
Actually the idea is tha that you make a ***** out of "u" and "me"
It is a stupid concept. people make assumptions all the time. If they did
not they would live in a very confused world.
Not at all. We certainly make assumptions. When I go out to my car
(if I had one), I am assuming it will start and take me where I want
to go. When I flip the light switch, I am assuming there is power and
that the bulb hasn't burned out. When I open my fridge, I am assuming
that it didn't die overnight and that the food is still safe to eat.
I do not assume on PEOPLE. THAT can be DISASTEROUS.
Let me give you an example.
I don't know if you remember the Kitty Genovese story from New York in
the 60s. I studied her story in Abnormal Psych (did some of my
masters' work in psych) which is how I became aware of all the
ramifications.
It seems that this young woman, Kitty Genovese, a Manhattan resident,
was waiting for the bus one day when a man walked up to her, drew a
knife, and began stabbing her. He continued stabbing her as she began
screaming for help, and continued stabbing her until she succumbed
from her 50 + wounds. There were some 75 witnesses, both the people at
the bus stop, and MANY residents watching from their door stoops and
from overhanging windows.
Why didn't ANYONE come to her aid?
THAT is the question. When a beat cop finally walked by and saw the
scene being played out, he stopped the man, arrested him, and checked
on the woman, who by then was dead.
When all these eye-witnesses were interviewed (no one was charged),
they all said, "I didn't do anything, because I ASSUMED SOMEONE ELSE
WOULD! I didn't call the cops because I ASSUMED SOMEONE ELSE WOULD!
This situation becuse known, in the world of psychiatry, as the "Kitty
Genovese" syndrome. People do nothing whatever because they falsely
ASSUME someone else will take care of it (known today simply as "HUA
Syndrome"). In fact, the truth came out that, the more witnesses that
are present, the LESS likely it will be that ANYONE will intervene.
And when the 20 - 30 - 40 however many people are interviewed, the
more witnesses there are, the less likely you are to get the story
straight.
It would also be rather dangerous as people must make an assumption og guilt
before they arrest anyone.
Chuckle chuckle. In DC, that's never stopped the cops. In Los
Angeles, that never stopped the cops. In Seattle, that's never stopped
the cops.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
And as you DRAG hundreds down into hell with you (as a false teacher),
you should be proud that both you and your followers are hell-bound.
Hell might be the better choice if it existed.
You are now behaving like a child who hasn't yet learned to not play
with fire.
Your bible gives clear "evidence"
1. Things in the presence of your god decided to leave that presence.
2. Adding up the violence done to man by your god in your bible and
comparing it with what the devil did makes hell look good.
3. If a parent treated a child as your god treats people the parent would be
condemned
the list is long.
I won't continue to discuss with such ignorant, deliberately
inflammatory statements.
Go back to talking with yourself.
jw
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Raymond Griffith" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
29 May 2004 08:16:02 PM |
|
|
John W <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:01:30 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
jw <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:51:39 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
jw
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
Ahhh, the true motivation surfaces. You are not living for the day that
Christ returns because you love your Savior, but rather because you hate
your enemy.
And you, Ray, are a liar. You cannot POSSIBLY know my motivations.
You can only assume. And you assume incorrectly.
Not at all. You made your motivations very clear. You announced them in
no uncertain terms.
Have you ever heard, when you ASSUME, you make an ***** of yourself.
Well, you're one of the worst for assuming wrongly that I have ever
met.
Before you THINK you know what someone means and you JUMP into the
fray, perhaps use your mind for a change and ask for some
clarification.
Why ask when you have been perfectly clear? You eagerly await the return
of the Lord so that you can see the terrified faces of your enemies and
smell the stench in their freshly soiled underwear. You said so yourself.
This is definitely an un-Christian attitude, and one that
will be rebuked by Him at His returning.
And your denial of the Godness of Christ and the Trinity will be
"rewarded" as well.
You lie like, well, like yourself. I have never denied the deity of
Christ, nor the Trinity. Not once. Not ever.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
And as you DRAG hundreds down into hell with you (as a false teacher),
you should be proud that both you and your followers are hell-bound.
And what false teaching have I promoted? In what way have I denied the
gospel of Christ? By objecting to your hellish attitudes and lies?
In this late time before He returns, I STRONGLY believe that we are
past the "Age of Grace" and now it's time for "tough love."
It doesn't matter what your eschatology is. In point of fact, you are
wrong. The age of grace continues. Christ has not returned as yet, and
no dispensational change has been announced. No signs and wonders as
accompanied all other changes have been present.
Since
Ozzie the heretic could care LESS about God or Christianity, I leave
him and you to God, but I don't take crap from EITHER of you; nor did
my Lord Jesus Christ.
When the Pharisees spouted off and heckled Him, He heckled them right
back.
But Ozzie is no Pharisee. You are. Ozzie would be more comporable to the
"sinners and publicans" -- which received no condemnation from Christ.
Those who received the condemnation were the religious zealots who
trusted in their own righteousness and their own interpretations -- as
you appear to do.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
+++++++++++++
.
|
|
|
| User: "ujb" |
|
| Title: Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
29 May 2004 08:44:27 PM |
|
|
Raymond Griffith wrote:
John W <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:01:30 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
jw <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:51:39 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
jw
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
Ahhh, the true motivation surfaces. You are not living for the day that
Christ returns because you love your Savior, but rather because you hate
your enemy.
And you, Ray, are a liar. You cannot POSSIBLY know my motivations.
You can only assume. And you assume incorrectly.
Not at all. You made your motivations very clear. You announced them in
no uncertain terms.
Have you ever heard, when you ASSUME, you make an ***** of yourself.
Well, you're one of the worst for assuming wrongly that I have ever
met.
Before you THINK you know what someone means and you JUMP into the
fray, perhaps use your mind for a change and ask for some
clarification.
Why ask when you have been perfectly clear? You eagerly await the return
of the Lord so that you can see the terrified faces of your enemies and
smell the stench in their freshly soiled underwear. You said so yourself.
This is definitely an un-Christian attitude, and one that
will be rebuked by Him at His returning.
And your denial of the Godness of Christ and the Trinity will be
"rewarded" as well.
You lie like, well, like yourself. I have never denied the deity of
Christ, nor the Trinity. Not once. Not ever.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
And as you DRAG hundreds down into hell with you (as a false teacher),
you should be proud that both you and your followers are hell-bound.
And what false teaching have I promoted? In what way have I denied the
gospel of Christ? By objecting to your hellish attitudes and lies?
In this late time before He returns, I STRONGLY believe that we are
past the "Age of Grace" and now it's time for "tough love."
It doesn't matter what your eschatology is. In point of fact, you are
wrong. The age of grace continues. Christ has not returned as yet, and
no dispensational change has been announced. No signs and wonders as
accompanied all other changes have been present.
Since
Ozzie the heretic could care LESS about God or Christianity, I leave
him and you to God, but I don't take crap from EITHER of you; nor did
my Lord Jesus Christ.
When the Pharisees spouted off and heckled Him, He heckled them right
back.
But Ozzie is no Pharisee. You are. Ozzie would be more comporable to the
"sinners and publicans" -- which received no condemnation from Christ.
Those who received the condemnation were the religious zealots who
trusted in their own righteousness and their own interpretations -- as
you appear to do.
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
Let me step in and judicate this mess! Poor JohnW aka the 'scrambled
one' can't keep his Raymond's straight and in his mixed up condition I
feel he is thinking you are Raymond Knapp the Pentecostal full gospel
preacher and missionary who the scrambled one has it seems much disdain
for. The fact you sign as another Raymond means little as poor John has
stated many times he can't always read through a complete post because
of his many well documented illnesses and his lapses into his old life
style.
You may as well be responding to a walnut when you reply to JohnW!
ujb
.
|
|
|
|
| User: "John W" |
|
| Title: didn't. You got it wrong.Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
30 May 2004 07:02:54 AM |
|
|
x-no-archive: yes
On Sat, 29 May 2004 21:16:02 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
John W <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:01:30 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
jw <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:51:39 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
jw
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
Ahhh, the true motivation surfaces. You are not living for the day that
Christ returns because you love your Savior, but rather because you hate
your enemy.
And you, Ray, are a liar. You cannot POSSIBLY know my motivations.
You can only assume. And you assume incorrectly.
Not at all. You made your motivations very clear. You announced them in
no uncertain terms.
Obviously I didn't. You got it wrong.
Have you ever heard, when you ASSUME, you make an ***** of yourself.
Well, you're one of the worst for assuming wrongly that I have ever
met.
Before you THINK you know what someone means and you JUMP into the
fray, perhaps use your mind for a change and ask for some
clarification.
Why ask when you have been perfectly clear? You eagerly await the return
of the Lord so that you can see the terrified faces of your enemies and
smell the stench in their freshly soiled underwear. You said so yourself.
You have obviously misinterpreted.
I believe the above will happen as part of God's vengeance on His
enemies, and I will rejoice in the day of His coming.
That's called "Freedom of Religion", a "matter of faith" to which I am
entitled, and I will be happy with WHATEVER He chooses to do when He
returns.
I will be DELIGHTED when the "disease" is removed and the creation is
restored to its pristine, pre-sin perfection.
And that doesn't need to concern you if you are one of His children.
It only needs to concern you if you are not, and THAT if your choice.
This is definitely an un-Christian attitude, and one that
Not at all. Some preach lovey, dovey, flowery, God-loves-everybody
poetry. I preach judgment.
Each is given his own task; you have yours; I have mine.
will be rebuked by Him at His returning.
And your denial of the Godness of Christ and the Trinity will be
"rewarded" as well.
You lie like, well, like yourself. I have never denied the deity of
Christ, nor the Trinity. Not once. Not ever.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
And as you DRAG hundreds down into hell with you (as a false teacher),
you should be proud that both you and your followers are hell-bound.
And what false teaching have I promoted? In what way have I denied the
gospel of Christ? By objecting to your hellish attitudes and lies?
In this late time before He returns, I STRONGLY believe that we are
past the "Age of Grace" and now it's time for "tough love."
It doesn't matter what your eschatology is. In point of fact, you are
wrong. The age of grace continues. Christ has not returned as yet, and
no dispensational change has been announced.
I do not believe in Dispensational ism.
No signs and wonders as
accompanied all other changes have been present.
I believe that there are signs and wonders today; you are perhaps
unaware of them. Perhaps because they come directly from heaven and
you are not tuned in.
And if you don't believe that the sign and wonders have begun, there's
no point in my pointing them out to you.
Since
Ozzie the heretic could care LESS about God or Christianity, I leave
him and you to God, but I don't take crap from EITHER of you; nor did
my Lord Jesus Christ.
When the Pharisees spouted off and heckled Him, He heckled them right
back.
But Ozzie is no Pharisee.
Ozzie, like the Pharisees, is a non-believer.
You are.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Ozzie would be more comparable to the
"sinners and publicans" -- which received no condemnation from Christ.
Nonsense. Ozzie is in the group who reject the CONCEPT of God, he
rejects the Bible, and he rejects Christianity.
Those who received the condemnation were the religious zealots who
trusted in their own righteousness and their own interpretations -- as
you appear to do.
I make no apologies for my faith in the risen Christ.
And you OBVIOUSLY know nothing if you call me self-righteous. I have
ALWAYS said I am "forgiven" not perfect. And I guess MY interpretation
is as good as YOURS.
As for zeal, all the apostles and the 2nd and 3td generation of the
church were killed for being zealots, so you have put me in GOOD
company.
The first Christian zealot I am aware of was our Lord Jesus Christ
jw
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
+++++++++++++
.
|
|
|
| User: "" |
|
| Title: Re: didn't. You got it wrong.Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
30 May 2004 05:44:17 PM |
|
|
Hello John W <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
<snipped it all>
Why not do it the old way?
Pick the flower (but leave the roots)
Lay it on a rock
Scrape it VERY gently with a VERY sharp knife
Works for me!
Christian
Having fun with you, of course!
.
|
|
|
| User: "John W" |
|
| Title: Re: didn't. You got it wrong.Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
30 May 2004 11:49:28 PM |
|
|
x-no-archive: yes
On Sun, 30 May 2004 16:44:17 -0600, wrote:
john w replied under copyright 2004
Hello John W <john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com>,
you posted in alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic :
<snipped it all>
Why not do it the old way?
Pick the flower (but leave the roots)
Lay it on a rock
Scrape it VERY gently with a VERY sharp knife
Works for me!
Christian
Having fun with you, of course!
LOL!!
That one stopped me for just a second.
chuckle.
jw
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Silver Blaze" |
|
| Title: Re: didn't. You got it wrong.Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
30 May 2004 05:44:14 PM |
|
|
In article <3kijb05gatv2egnkq2r06e6u910nec4ig2@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
The first Christian zealot I am aware of was our Lord Jesus Christ
jw
Ah !
So you DO agree that - as the sentence evidences - he was executed for
sedition and not as some dopey human sacrifice by an incompetent Daddy-God
(in reality himself according to Trinity theology) in order to pay the
self imposed price of sin.
Maybe sanity is returning - drip by little drip!
.
|
|
|
| User: "John W" |
|
| Title: Re: didn't. You got it wrong.Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
30 May 2004 11:47:58 PM |
|
|
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 31 May 2004 09:44:14 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied under copyright 2004
In article <3kijb05gatv2egnkq2r06e6u910nec4ig2@4ax.com>, John W
<john_weatherly47<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
The first Christian zealot I am aware of was our Lord Jesus Christ
jw
Ah !
So you DO agree that - as the sentence evidences - he was executed for
sedition
No, oh ye of diseased brain.
AGAIN, I didn't say that.
jw
and not as some dopey human sacrifice by an incompetent Daddy-God
(in reality himself according to Trinity theology) in order to pay the
self imposed price of sin.
Maybe sanity is returning - drip by little drip!
.
|
|
|
|
|
| User: "Raymond Griffith" |
|
| Title: Re: didn't. You got it wrong.Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
31 May 2004 11:52:56 PM |
|
|
John W <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Sat, 29 May 2004 21:16:02 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
John W <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:01:30 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
jw <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:51:39 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
jw
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
Ahhh, the true motivation surfaces. You are not living for the day that
Christ returns because you love your Savior, but rather because you hate
your enemy.
And you, Ray, are a liar. You cannot POSSIBLY know my motivations.
You can only assume. And you assume incorrectly.
Not at all. You made your motivations very clear. You announced them in
no uncertain terms.
Obviously I didn't. You got it wrong.
I quoted you. If I got it wrong, it was because of your presentation.
The fault is yours, and yours alone.
Have you ever heard, when you ASSUME, you make an ***** of yourself.
Well, you're one of the worst for assuming wrongly that I have ever
met.
Before you THINK you know what someone means and you JUMP into the
fray, perhaps use your mind for a change and ask for some
clarification.
Why ask when you have been perfectly clear? You eagerly await the return
of the Lord so that you can see the terrified faces of your enemies and
smell the stench in their freshly soiled underwear. You said so yourself.
You have obviously misinterpreted.
Nope. Don't think so.
I believe the above will happen as part of God's vengeance on His
enemies, and I will rejoice in the day of His coming.
That is not what you actually said. You wanted to see the fear and smell
the stench.
Let me inform you of something -- the Lord's coming is a serious matter,
and if there is anything of you that really wishes to see men cast into
hell, no matter how bad they are, then there is real doubt as to whether
or not you have experienced the grace of God.
If, when Christ returns and judgment comes, you are rejoicing in that
judgment then you are rejoicing in the wrong thing.
That's called "Freedom of Religion", a "matter of faith" to which I am
entitled, and I will be happy with WHATEVER He chooses to do when He
returns.
So there will be no tears in your eyes to wipe away? Got any family
members that are lost, buddy? No compassion for them?
Judgment may be a reality when it comes. Rejoicing in such is a
violation of Christ's own commands. "Love your enemies. Bless them that
curse you. Do good to them that despitefully use you and persecute you,
so that it may be seen that you are a child of your Heavenly Father."
I will be DELIGHTED when the "disease" is removed and the creation is
restored to its pristine, pre-sin perfection.
Ahhh. But sin is the disease, not men. And if I may remind you, you are
as sinful as anyone on this newsgroup or any of them. You have your own
life to answer for at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Are you perfectly
ready? Or will you ***** your own pants in fear when you see Him?
Judgment must first begin at the House of God, you know. It is a fearful
thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. Did not Paul say to not
be highminded, but fear?
And that doesn't need to concern you if you are one of His children.
It only needs to concern you if you are not, and THAT if your choice.
This is definitely an un-Christian attitude, and one that
Not at all. Some preach lovey, dovey, flowery, God-loves-everybody
poetry. I preach judgment.
And every Biblical prophet, save Jonah, who preached judgment also
mourned its necessity. Jonah was reproved by God for his attitude.
Each is given his own task; you have yours; I have mine.
Ahh, but you perform your task with such an unloving manner! 1
Corinthians 13, sir.
will be rebuked by Him at His returning.
And your denial of the Godness of Christ and the Trinity will be
"rewarded" as well.
You lie like, well, like yourself. I have never denied the deity of
Christ, nor the Trinity. Not once. Not ever.
You do not address this point? Just let your lie stand without apology?
Shame on you.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
And as you DRAG hundreds down into hell with you (as a false teacher),
you should be proud that both you and your followers are hell-bound.
And what false teaching have I promoted? In what way have I denied the
gospel of Christ? By objecting to your hellish attitudes and lies?
In this late time before He returns, I STRONGLY believe that we are
past the "Age of Grace" and now it's time for "tough love."
It doesn't matter what your eschatology is. In point of fact, you are
wrong. The age of grace continues. Christ has not returned as yet, and
no dispensational change has been announced.
I do not believe in Dispensational ism.
Nor do I, but you referred to "the Age of Grace" -- a definitely
dispensational terminology, and certainly not covenant theology.
No signs and wonders as
accompanied all other changes have been present.
I believe that there are signs and wonders today; you are perhaps
unaware of them. Perhaps because they come directly from heaven and
you are not tuned in.
Not at all. According to prophesy, these signs and wonders will be seen
throughout the world. No one will be able to deny them.
And if you don't believe that the sign and wonders have begun, there's
no point in my pointing them out to you.
Ahhh, the answer of a person who has no real answer. "I have evidence,
but I am not going to show it!" How childish.
If you believe that there are real signs and wonders that have begun to
be manifest, by all means, reveal them! If you will not, I will assume
you cannot, for surely no Christian would refuse to reveal the works of
his Lord, right? Only the Adversary would hide the works of God from the
world.
I am certain you will agree to this reasoning, so please! Reveal these
signs and wonders.
Since
Ozzie the heretic could care LESS about God or Christianity, I leave
him and you to God, but I don't take crap from EITHER of you; nor did
my Lord Jesus Christ.
When the Pharisees spouted off and heckled Him, He heckled them right
back.
But Ozzie is no Pharisee.
Ozzie, like the Pharisees, is a non-believer.
You are.
You are entitled to your opinion.
Every bit as much as you are.
Ozzie would be more comparable to the
"sinners and publicans" -- which received no condemnation from Christ.
Nonsense. Ozzie is in the group who reject the CONCEPT of God, he
rejects the Bible, and he rejects Christianity.
Again, that is not the point. The Pharisees were the religious ones.
Ozzie is non-religious. The Pharisees were proud of their righteousness.
Ozzie has nothing to say on that matter. The Pharisees never denied the
concept of God, or even the concept of a Messiah. But many of them
rejected Christ in favor of their literalistic viewpoint of Scripture.
Those who received the condemnation were the religious zealots who
trusted in their own righteousness and their own interpretations -- as
you appear to do.
I make no apologies for my faith in the risen Christ.
And you OBVIOUSLY know nothing if you call me self-righteous.
I can only judge you by your words. That line about living for the day
you smelled the stench of the soiled underwear of Ozzie really appeared
to make the whole issue of your religious pretentions cut and dried. No
Christian I know would make such a
I have
ALWAYS said I am "forgiven" not perfect. And I guess MY interpretation
is as good as YOURS.
Not at all. Yours is in error in many points, not only prophetically,
but practically speaking. You do not behave as Christians are exhorted
to behave. If your theology is not backed up by your life, your theology
is worthless.
As for zeal, all the apostles and the 2nd and 3td generation of the
church were killed for being zealots, so you have put me in GOOD
company.
The first Christian zealot I am aware of was our Lord Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ was not a Christian. A Christian is a follower of Jesus
Christ. As for Him being zealous -- yes He was. But He showed a lot more
love and compassion, even toward His enemies, than you do. Why even on
the cross He asked God to forgive those who put Him there, since they
did not understand what they were doing. You, on the other hand, do
understand -- yet you are full of bile and hatred, and express it quite
handily.
I pity you, John. You are a dirt-poor witness for Christ, and appear to
be stuck up with yourself. You claim great knowledge but demonstrate
great ignorance. You claim to preach judgment, but you yourself will not
apologize for the least of your own offences, you simply will not
acknowledge your own sin! By this you reject the grace and mercy you
yourself might have had.
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
Regards,
Raymond E. Griffith
jw
+++++++++++++
.
|
|
|
| User: "john w" |
|
| Title: Re: didn't. You got it wrong.Re: A new way to produce stem cells? |
08 Jun 2004 02:38:35 AM |
|
|
x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 00:52:56 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied under copyright 2004
John W <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Sat, 29 May 2004 21:16:02 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
John W <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 08:01:30 -0400, Raymond Griffith
<tiffirgREVERSE@ctc.net> wrote:
john w replied
jw <john_weatherly47 wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Thu, 27 May 2004 13:51:39 +1100,
(Silver Blaze) wrote:
john w replied
In article <IKnowHim-2605041003430001@pm8-35.kalama.com>,
IKnowHim@leavingsoon.com (IKnowHimDoYou) wrote:
A new way to produce stem cells?
Rabbit eggs used to grow embryos for research
ASSOCIATED PRESS
SHANGHAI, China, Sept. 23 ‹ Dr. Huizhen Sheng has traveled far in her
career as a medical researcher. But for her most advanced work, she
returned home to China. Sheng led a team of scientists at the Shanghai
Second Medical University who have reported fusing human skin cells with
rabbit eggs to produce early stage embryos, which in turn yielded stem
cells. The approach suggests a new way to produce human embryonic stem
cells, which many scientists hope to use eventually for treating disease.
Unfortunatly there are some side effects due to the rabbit DNA:
1. patients have a proclevity to hop a lot
2. patient's ears grow longer
This is definite proof of evolution for sure.
And I have no doubt that if stem cell research produced a cure for a
disease that Fundamentalists and Creationist suffered from, the rest of
the world would be knocked flying by the stampede of them seeking to be
first in the line to benefit
I LOVE how the ignorant illiterate pigheaded such as Ozzie rip into
Christianity every chance they get . Not all Christians oppose stem
cell research.
jw
Unfortunately there is no likelihood of a simple cure for pig ignorance,
denial. and cras stupidity when these are so vital for the preservation of
bigotry, hypocrisy and prejudice
You're talking about yourself again. How self-centered of you!
Sadly it will take more than stem cell research and a course of injections
to rid the world of the fundamentalist mind-set.
What did you have in mind? Poisoning the nation's water supply? You
hate America almost as much as you hate real Christians.
It will take guts that are currently lacking within the mainstreams of the
religions and ideologies concerned themselves.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
To have survived from the 1st C AD til now took more guts than you
will ever HOPE to understand, you mental nothing.
jw
And a will to reform
Face it, chump. You will only be happy if there's a miraculous event
and all who profess Christianity are removed from the planet.
Well, chump, if the Rapture DOES happen, you'll get your wish.
Only, you foolish person, even though you will deny the Rapture, we
will return, and then your hiney will be grass.
I'm LIVING for the day that Christ returns and I can see the totally
TERRIFIED look on your face and smell the STENCH in your freshly
soiled underwear.
Ahhh, the true motivation surfaces. You are not living for the day that
Christ returns because you love your Savior, but rather because you hate
your enemy.
And you, Ray, are a liar. You cannot POSSIBLY know my motivations.
You can only assume. And you assume incorrectly.
Not at all. You made your motivations very clear. You announced them in
no uncertain terms.
Obviously I didn't. You got it wrong.
I quoted you. If I got it wrong, it was because of your presentation.
The fault is yours, and yours alone.
Suit yourself. You evidently have the ability to crawl into people's
minds. And there's not a millimeter of room in your brain for the
concept that you misunderstand me.
Have you ever heard, when you ASSUME, you make an ***** of yourself.
Well, you're one of the worst for assuming wrongly that I have ever
met.
Before you THINK you know what someone means and you JUMP into the
fray, perhaps use your mind for a change and ask for some
clarification.
Why ask when you have been perfectly clear? You eagerly await the return
of the Lord so that you can see the terrified faces of your enemies and
smell the stench in their freshly soiled underwear. You said so yourself.
Yes I did. However, NOWHERE in that statement did I say that was my
ONLY reason. You ASSUMED that.
You have obviously misinterpreted.
Nope. Don't think so.
Again, suit yourself. I long ago gave up trying to convince those who
will not be convinced.
I believe the above will happen as part of God's vengeance on His
enemies, and I will rejoice in the day of His coming.
That is not what you actually said. You wanted to see the fear and smell
the stench.
AGAIN, suit yourself.
Let me inform you of something -- the Lord's coming is a serious matter,
and if there is anything of you that really wishes to see men cast into
hell, no matter how bad they are, then there is real doubt as to whether
or not you have experienced the grace of God.
Do as you like. I could no more change your attitude or course of
action than I can change how you act or act up in here.
God will judge all men, including BOTH you and me. You are now
questioning my salvation. It is enough that I state categorically that
I am born again and Spirit filled. That is all you need to know about
me. The rest, you must leave up to God.
So save your lectures and raised eyebrows. You are not someone I am
receptive to regarding correction. If you would correct me, try
keeping your unwelcome comments to yourself (you have not earned the
right to address me thus), and pray on my behalf.
If, when Christ returns and judgment comes, you are rejoicing in that
judgment then you are rejoicing in the wrong thing.
And now, I have had my say, and you have had yours. Isn't that what's
great about the Internet?
That's called "Freedom of Religion", a "matter of faith" to which I am
entitled, and I will be happy with WHATEVER He chooses to do when He
returns.
So there will be no tears in your eyes to wipe away? Got any family
members that are lost, buddy? No compassion for them?
Don't assume merely because I have not put my statements in words
PRECISELY of YOUR choosing what I think or feel.
I have already faced death for my Savior once. So don't preach to me
about "REAL Christianity."
Judgment may be a reality when it comes. Rejoicing in such is a
violation of Christ's own commands. "Love your enemies. Bless them that
curse you. Do good to them that despitefully use you and persecute you,
so that it may be seen that you are a child of your Heavenly Father."
Do not forget Paul's words, "do the best you can do get along with one
another."
Apparently, Paul understood that there would be those like you and me
who by nature will never have any use for one another. The difference
between us is that I'd run into a burning building to rescue you; I
doubt that you'd do that for me.
I will be DELIGHTED when the "disease" is removed and the creation is
restored to its pristine, pre-sin perfection.
Ahhh. But sin is the disease, not men. And if I may remind you, you are
as sinful as anyone on this newsgroup or any of them.
I have never said otherwise. Don't forget that the words apply to you
as well.
You have your own
life to answer for at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
Not at all. I am evidently not of the same school of "Christianity" as
you. I believe I have already been judged with regard to life and
death. I have chosen life. My only judgment will be the rewards
judgment. And I will leave that to God.
..
Are you perfectly
ready?
Perfectly. I am as ready today as I'll be in 20 years.
Or will you ***** your own pants in fear when you see Him?
Why would I be in fear?
Judgment must first begin at the House of God, you know. It is a fearful
thing to fall into the hands of the Living God. Did not Paul say to not
be highminded, but fear?
Who is calling whom "highminded?" You are judging me, and I learned
in graduate psychology that we generally tend to point out our faults
in others.
Any time anyone asks me if I consider myself a "good Christian?" I say
I don't believe in "good Christians"; I believe we are all MERELY
"saved by God's grace and through NO THING WE have done."
I am a "sinner saved by grace..." No more, no less. And if you are
worrying about anything OTHER than "saved by grace..." then it is YOU
who must examine YOUR heart.
I can assure you I am born-again, New Testament (1st C AD)
conservative Christian, and that I would appreciate your prayers and
everyone else's. However, I will NOT conform myself to YOUR concept
of "Christian." I find it in MY Bible "be conformed to Christ", and I
don't think ANYONE, including YOU, has succeeded at that yet.
And how can I conform to YOUR image? I might miss what God has for
me! I cannot do your ministry, and you cannot do mine.
And that doesn't need to concern you if you are one of His children.
It only needs to concern you if you are not, and THAT if your choice.
This is definitely an un-Christian attitude, and one that
Not at all. Some preach lovey, dovey, flowery, God-loves-everybody
poetry. I preach judgment.
And every Biblical prophet, save Jonah, who preached judgment also
mourned its necessity. Jonah was reproved by God for his attitude.
Each is given his own task; you have yours; I have mine.
Ahh, but you perform your task with such an unloving manner! 1
Corinthians 13, sir.
What part of "I am mentally Ill" do you not understand? Do you not
understand that "bi-polar" is a BEHAVIOR disorder? I, however, will
NOT give up any opportunity to spread the gospel.
And if you don't like my posts, don't read them.
will be rebuked by Him at His returning.
And your denial of the Godness of Christ and the Trinity will be
"rewarded" as well.
You lie like, well, like yourself. I have never denied the deity of
Christ, nor the Trinity. Not once. Not ever.
You do not address this point? Just let your lie stand without apology?
Shame on you.
He is not willing that any should perish. You, on the other hand, are
more than willing that many should perish. Shame on you.
And as you DRAG hundreds down into hell with you (as a false teacher),
you should be proud that both you and your followers are hell-bound.
And what false teaching have I promoted? In what way have I denied the
gospel of Christ? By objecting to your hellish attitudes and lies?
In this late time before He returns, I STRONGLY believe that we are
past the "Age of Grace" and now it's time for "tough love."
It doesn't matter what your eschatology is. In point of fact, you are
wrong. The age of grace continues. Christ has not returned as yet, and
no dispensational change has been announced.
I do not believe in Dispensational ism.
Nor do I, but you referred to "the Age of Grace" -- a definitely
dispensational terminology, and certainly not covenant theology.
No signs and wonders as
accompanied all other changes have been present.
I believe that there are signs and wonders today; you are perhaps
unaware of them. Perhaps because they come directly from heaven and
you are not tuned in.
Not at all. According to prophesy, these signs and wonders will be seen
throughout the world. No one will be able to deny them.
And if you don't believe that the sign and wonders have begun, there's
no point in my pointing them out to you.
Ahhh, the answer of a person who has no real answer. "I have evidence,
but I am not going to show it!" How childish.
I've lost track, but I believe the above remark was yours.
I didn't say "I have evidence, but I am not going to show it to
you.."
I DID say that there is evidence, there are signs. However, if you do
not see those signs, you are spiritually blind, and my pointing them
out to you would be futile. IOW, the signs have happened, in the view
of the entire planet, no one didn't see them, yet you are saying "no
signs have happened." YOU CHOOSE to not make the connection between
the event and it being a "sign" because you have simply trained your
mind to not think that way.
Let me give you ONE example, simply so that I can say I did. The
Bible says that in the very last days, the sun will go black for a
period of time. I have had MANY ( 25 - 50 ) people point to that
passage and point out that it has never been fulfilled.and there was
no technology available that would "black out the sun for a period of
time" other than an eclipse, which the prophesy OBVIOUSLY wasn't
referring to.
That prophesy caused me MUCH embarrassment; it was not doable. Then,
during the first Gulf War, Saddam Hussein, not even knowing that he
was going to be written down in destiny for fulfilling an end time
prophesy, had his boys set fire to all the oil wells in Kuwait. If
Saddam couldn't have that oil, NO ONE would have it. There was soon
so much smoke from those oil wells that the smoke blocked out the sky
for MONTHS.
A FEW theologians I tuned into tuned into that fulfillment of prophesy
(and as I said, there have been NUMEROUS others). Many others who
aren't interested in eschatology didn't.
But those who didn't believe in prophesy STILL tell you 100 reasons
why that event didn't fulfill prophesy. But it does.
Then,
If you believe that there are real signs and wonders that have begun to
be manifest, by all means, reveal them!
See the above. I could list half a dozen, EASILY. However, as I do
not sincerely believe you are sincere, I will stop there. I don't
waste my time or energy.
If you will not, I will assume
you cannot, for surely no Christian would refuse to reveal the works of
his Lord, right? Only the Adversary would hide the works of God from the
world.
No. I beg your pardon. The Bible says that God will send signs to His
children that the end is coming. He also says He will send signs to
the world. I guess it's just not your time yet.
However, be aware, that the Bible was written to Christians. And one
of the instructions we get in the Bible is to not waste God's gems on
the not interested.
I am certain you will agree to this reasoning, so please! Reveal these
signs and wonders.
I have given you one. I eagerly await your response.
jw
Since
Ozzie the heretic could care LESS about God or Christianity, I leave
him and | | | | | | | | |
