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"Colin Fox remove spam from email" |
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03 Oct 2007 05:30:16 PM |
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A Parable |
Once upon a time, there was a man. He had a wife and two daughters. He
loved his daughters very much. So much so, that he had sex with them, and
got them pregnant.
One day his wife found him with his daughters, and threatened to go to the
authorities. They got into a fight, and he killed her. Panicked, he set
the house on fire to hide her body, and ran away with his daughters.
Unfortunately, the house fire spread to the neighbours, and he ended up
burning down most of the town.
His name was Lot, and his town was Sodom.
Now, isn't this story a little easier to believe than one that included
someone getting turned into salt for looking the wrong way, angels, a town
rioting to have gay sex with these angels, then destroyed by a rain of
fire, and then finally the daughters, making a vineyard, growing grapes,
making wine (this all takes many years remember) and then getting their
father so drunk that he can have sex with them and impregnate them without
remembering? Let's not forget that if you are so blasted that you can't
remember the night before, you're not going to be having any sex.
Just a little story to try out Occam's Razor on.
The first story is complete. Requires no divine intervention, and we would
have no trouble believing it even if it happened this way today. After
all, the only thing left after the Sodom & Gomorrah story was Lot and his
two pregnant daughters, and a burned-down town. So what's the simplest
explanation?
The second story requires lots of divine operation, and we wouldn't believe
it if it happened today.
--
Thou shalt have no other gods before Lunch
-- Me
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: A Parable |
04 Oct 2007 12:27:46 PM |
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"Colin Fox (remove spam from email)" <greenspamenergy@gmail.com> wrote in
message news:YJUMi.39636$nO3.25254@edtnps90...
Once upon a time, there was a man. He had a wife and two daughters. He
loved his daughters very much. So much so, that he had sex with them, and
got them pregnant.
One day his wife found him with his daughters, and threatened to go to the
authorities. They got into a fight, and he killed her. Panicked, he set
the house on fire to hide her body, and ran away with his daughters.
Unfortunately, the house fire spread to the neighbours, and he ended up
burning down most of the town.
His name was Lot, and his town was Sodom.
Now, isn't this story a little easier to believe than one that included
someone getting turned into salt for looking the wrong way, angels, a town
Damn...you are on a roll today. Keep 'em coming. Robin might think your
posts aren't amusing, but for my money they are very interesting and thought
provoking....not to mention always *on topic* which is a rarity on a.a.
OTOH...I haven't gotten a lick of work done today thanks to you.
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| User: "Colin Fox remove spam from email" |
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| Title: Re: A Parable |
04 Oct 2007 03:44:36 PM |
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On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:27:46 -0400, Geoff wrote:
"Colin Fox (remove spam from email)" <greenspamenergy@gmail.com> wrote in
message news:YJUMi.39636$nO3.25254@edtnps90...
Once upon a time, there was a man. He had a wife and two daughters. He
loved his daughters very much. So much so, that he had sex with them, and
got them pregnant.
One day his wife found him with his daughters, and threatened to go to the
authorities. They got into a fight, and he killed her. Panicked, he set
the house on fire to hide her body, and ran away with his daughters.
Unfortunately, the house fire spread to the neighbours, and he ended up
burning down most of the town.
His name was Lot, and his town was Sodom.
Now, isn't this story a little easier to believe than one that included
someone getting turned into salt for looking the wrong way, angels, a town
Damn...you are on a roll today. Keep 'em coming. Robin might think your
posts aren't amusing, but for my money they are very interesting and thought
provoking....not to mention always *on topic* which is a rarity on a.a.
OTOH...I haven't gotten a lick of work done today thanks to you.
Thanks! I didn't get much work done yesterday myself. It's easy to get
wrapped up in all this.
There *does* seem to be some animosity and bitterness in some people in
this group. Hopefully things will relax a but once they have their coffee.
--
Thou shalt have no other gods before Lunch
-- Me
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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| Title: Re: A Parable |
04 Oct 2007 05:54:30 PM |
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"Colin Fox (remove spam from email)" <greenspamenergy@gmail.com>
snip
Thanks! I didn't get much work done yesterday myself. It's easy to get
wrapped up in all this.
There *does* seem to be some animosity and bitterness in some people in
this group. Hopefully things will relax a but once they have their coffee.
Aw, poor you!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: A Parable |
05 Oct 2007 02:45:56 PM |
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Robibnikoff wrote:
"Colin Fox (remove spam from email)" <greenspamenergy@gmail.com>
snip
Thanks! I didn't get much work done yesterday myself. It's easy to
get wrapped up in all this.
There *does* seem to be some animosity and bitterness in some people
in this group. Hopefully things will relax a but once they have
their coffee.
Aw, poor you!
Robyn...forget about the coffee. What you need is a nice stiff martini. ;-)
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| User: "les_on_usenet" |
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| Title: Re: A Parable |
04 Oct 2007 02:54:30 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:30:16 GMT, "Colin Fox (remove spam from email)"
<greenspamenergy@gmail.com> wrote:
Once upon a time, there was a man. He had a wife and two daughters. He
loved his daughters very much. So much so, that he had sex with them, and
got them pregnant.
One day his wife found him with his daughters, and threatened to go to the
authorities. They got into a fight, and he killed her. Panicked, he set
the house on fire to hide her body, and ran away with his daughters.
Unfortunately, the house fire spread to the neighbours, and he ended up
burning down most of the town.
His name was Lot, and his town was Sodom.
Now, isn't this story a little easier to believe than one that included
someone getting turned into salt for looking the wrong way, angels, a town
rioting to have gay sex with these angels, then destroyed by a rain of
fire, and then finally the daughters, making a vineyard, growing grapes,
making wine (this all takes many years remember) and then getting their
father so drunk that he can have sex with them and impregnate them without
remembering? Let's not forget that if you are so blasted that you can't
remember the night before, you're not going to be having any sex.
Just a little story to try out Occam's Razor on.
The first story is complete. Requires no divine intervention, and we would
have no trouble believing it even if it happened this way today. After
all, the only thing left after the Sodom & Gomorrah story was Lot and his
two pregnant daughters, and a burned-down town. So what's the simplest
explanation?
The second story requires lots of divine operation, and we wouldn't believe
it if it happened today.
And, of course, if those responsible for good governance of the town
were any good they would learn the lessons and rebuild the town with
better regard to fire prevention.
Les Hellawell
Greetings from
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
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| User: "Matt Silberstein" |
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| Title: Re: A Parable |
06 Oct 2007 12:27:45 AM |
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On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:30:16 GMT, in alt.atheism , "Colin Fox (remove
spam from email)" <greenspamenergy@gmail.com> in
<YJUMi.39636$nO3.25254@edtnps90> wrote:
Once upon a time, there was a man. He had a wife and two daughters. He
loved his daughters very much. So much so, that he had sex with them, and
got them pregnant.
One day his wife found him with his daughters, and threatened to go to the
authorities. They got into a fight, and he killed her. Panicked, he set
the house on fire to hide her body, and ran away with his daughters.
Unfortunately, the house fire spread to the neighbours, and he ended up
burning down most of the town.
His name was Lot, and his town was Sodom.
Now, isn't this story a little easier to believe than one that included
someone getting turned into salt for looking the wrong way, angels, a town
rioting to have gay sex with these angels, then destroyed by a rain of
fire, and then finally the daughters, making a vineyard, growing grapes,
making wine (this all takes many years remember) and then getting their
father so drunk that he can have sex with them and impregnate them without
remembering? Let's not forget that if you are so blasted that you can't
remember the night before, you're not going to be having any sex.
Just a little story to try out Occam's Razor on.
The first story is complete. Requires no divine intervention, and we would
have no trouble believing it even if it happened this way today. After
all, the only thing left after the Sodom & Gomorrah story was Lot and his
two pregnant daughters, and a burned-down town. So what's the simplest
explanation?
The second story requires lots of divine operation, and we wouldn't believe
it if it happened today.
Or we go with the idea that the book is not intended as a descriptive
history but an illustrative tale. Which is much "simpler" and fits
with what we know of stories from other cultures.
--
Matt Silberstein
Do something today about the Darfur Genocide
http://www.beawitness.org
http://www.darfurgenocide.org
http://www.savedarfur.org
"Darfur: A Genocide We can Stop"
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