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Topic: Religions > Atheism
User: "Surfer"
Date: 15 Aug 2007 12:45:05 AM
Object: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages
Dear friends,
In a new sign of hope, the Taliban released their first two hostages
yesterday. The attention and persuasion is beginning to work--but 19
young people, mostly women, still face execution and the nightmare of
captivity.
Over 90,000 of us from 187 countries have rushed to help, and added
our voices to an emergency petition, calling on the Taliban to honour
their own 'Pashtunwali' code of hospitality by releasing the hostages.
This week, we'll spread our message across Afghanistan, by running the
petition as a full page ad in a major newspaper, the Killid Weekly.
Officials have given us the phone number of the Taliban spokesman,
Qari Yusef Ahmadi--so we will also call him to deliver our message
directly to the Taliban leadership.
The Killid Weekly ad, and the phone call to Ahmadi, will be more
effective the greater our numbers. We need to get well over 100,000
signers in the next 24 hours, and massively grow the petition this
week. Please forward this email to as many friends as possible and ask
them to sign the petition at the link below:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/honour_the_afghan_code/c.php/?cl=15742471
Afghans tell us that asking the Taliban to respect their own code of
honour is a powerfully persuasive message. In 2003 an aid worker named
Bettina Goislard, 29, was shot dead by Taliban gunmen. Local people
chased down the gunmen and handed them over to the police--and then
marched hundreds of miles to Kabul with Bettina's body to show their
shame and remorse.
Although they were Christian evangelicals, all evidence says that the
Koreans were in Afghanistan to do aid work, not to convert Afghans to
their faith. As with other hostages, like the German engineers, the
Taliban targeted them for political and tactical reasons, not
religious ones.
The lives of 19 innocent people hang in the balance. So do the lives
of many Afghan civilians who rely on international help--because if
the Koreans die, other aid groups may leave. This week we have two
major opportunities to be heard by the Taliban. Our strength lies in
our numbers. If you have already signed the petition and would like to
send a message to your email address book, click below to use our
tool:
http://www.avaaz.org/en/honour_the_afghan_code/c.php?cl=15742471#tellafriend
With hope,
Ricken, Iain, Pascal, Graziela and the rest of the Avaaz Team
PS - You can read more about the 'Pashtunwali' code and its ethic of
hospitality here:
http://afghanland.com/culture/pashtunwali.html
And here's a recent article on the hostage crisis:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/14/asia/AS-GEN-Afghan-Kidnappings.php
.

User: ""

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 12:50:05 PM
On Aug 15, 1:45 am, Surfer <sur...@no.spam.net> wrote:

Dear friends,

In a new sign of hope, the Taliban released their first two hostages

snip
I am certainly no fan of the Taliban. These people want to set back
the human race a thousand years. But I have a really difficult time
feeling sorry for the South Korean hostages. They are <spit>
missionaries. The original spammers. Once again, I see the typical
xian reaction to opposition to their mythology:
"Waaah! Those mean people won't let me shove my ***** down their
throat!"
The only good I can see coming out of this whole situation is that
perhaps the dire situation of these poor people will remind other
xians to keep that ***** to themselves.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
.
User: "Hatter"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 03:31:21 PM
On Aug 15, 1:50 pm,
wrote:

On Aug 15, 1:45 am, Surfer <sur...@no.spam.net> wrote:

Dear friends,


In a new sign of hope, the Taliban released their first two hostages


snip

I am certainly no fan of the Taliban. These people want to set back
the human race a thousand years. But I have a really difficult time
feeling sorry for the South Korean hostages. They are <spit>
missionaries. The original spammers. Once again, I see the typical
xian reaction to opposition to their mythology:

"Waaah! Those mean people won't let me shove my ***** down their
throat!"

The only good I can see coming out of this whole situation is that
perhaps the dire situation of these poor people will remind other
xians to keep that ***** to themselves.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

The difference between the Taliban and Christianity is that the
Taliban wants the Clock turned back a thousand years, and Christianity
is seeking something more like four to six hundred. There is a third
option....choose neither.
Hatter
.
User: ""

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 06:18:10 PM
On Aug 15, 4:31 pm, Hatter <Hatte...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Aug 15, 1:50 pm,

wrote:





On Aug 15, 1:45 am, Surfer <sur...@no.spam.net> wrote:


Dear friends,


In a new sign of hope, the Taliban released their first two hostages


snip


I am certainly no fan of the Taliban. These people want to set back
the human race a thousand years. But I have a really difficult time
feeling sorry for the South Korean hostages. They are <spit>
missionaries. The original spammers. Once again, I see the typical
xian reaction to opposition to their mythology:


"Waaah! Those mean people won't let me shove my ***** down their
throat!"


The only good I can see coming out of this whole situation is that
perhaps the dire situation of these poor people will remind other
xians to keep that ***** to themselves.


-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!


The difference between the Taliban and Christianity is that the
Taliban wants the Clock turned back a thousand years, and Christianity
is seeking something more like four to six hundred. There is a third
option....choose neither.

It really is a battle between the past and the future, isn't it?
Whether we as a race achieve our potential or stagnate. Sometimes I
shudder when I think of something like Medieval Europe. The life of
someone living in the 13th century was so similar to that of the 10th
that it seems merely a hobby to look for the differences. Year after
mindless year, plowing-planting-praying-harvesting. That's not
living...it's survival.
And just knowing there are those who would return us to that sad
existence makes me a little afraid...and more than a little angry.
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 08:53:24 PM
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:31:21 -0000, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:

The difference between the Taliban and Christianity is that the
Taliban wants the Clock turned back a thousand years, and Christianity
is seeking something more like four to six hundred.

Or, in some cases, 3500 years.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 09:41:22 PM
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:53:24 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:31:21 -0000, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:

The difference between the Taliban and Christianity is that the
Taliban wants the Clock turned back a thousand years, and Christianity
is seeking something more like four to six hundred.


Or, in some cases, 3500 years.

But no more than 6,000 years?
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 16 Aug 2007 07:56:19 AM
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:11:22 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:53:24 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:31:21 -0000, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:

The difference between the Taliban and Christianity is that the
Taliban wants the Clock turned back a thousand years, and Christianity
is seeking something more like four to six hundred.


Or, in some cases, 3500 years.


But no more than 6,000 years?

That would be like north of the North Pole to them.
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 16 Aug 2007 11:37:54 PM
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:56:19 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 12:11:22 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 21:53:24 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:31:21 -0000, Hatter <Hatter23@gmail.com> wrote:

The difference between the Taliban and Christianity is that the
Taliban wants the Clock turned back a thousand years, and Christianity
is seeking something more like four to six hundred.


Or, in some cases, 3500 years.


But no more than 6,000 years?


That would be like north of the North Pole to them.

Wow! They understand the concept of hyperbolic/toroidal time?
I am impressed.
Many of them cannot tie their own shoelaces.
.
User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 17 Aug 2007 07:37:53 AM
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:07:54 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

Wow! They understand the concept of hyperbolic/toroidal time?
I am impressed.
Many of them cannot tie their own shoelaces.

Actually, most people can't tie them correctly. If you tie
right-over-left, right-over-left (or left-over-right,
left-over-right), you're tying a Granny knot. The bows are more
vertical and the laces loosen over time (which is why a lot of kids'
shoes always untie).
If you cross directions (it doesn't matter which comes first), you're
tying a square knot, the bows are horizontal and the knot tightens
over time (but unties easily).
Most people learn it the wrong way.
(There's a whole web site dedicated to this subject -
<http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/knots.htm>)
.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 17 Aug 2007 11:15:22 PM
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:37:53 -0400, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:

On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:07:54 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

Wow! They understand the concept of hyperbolic/toroidal time?
I am impressed.
Many of them cannot tie their own shoelaces.


Actually, most people can't tie them correctly. If you tie
right-over-left, right-over-left (or left-over-right,
left-over-right), you're tying a Granny knot. The bows are more
vertical and the laces loosen over time (which is why a lot of kids'
shoes always untie).

If you cross directions (it doesn't matter which comes first), you're
tying a square knot, the bows are horizontal and the knot tightens
over time (but unties easily).

Most people learn it the wrong way.

(There's a whole web site dedicated to this subject -
<http://www.fieggen.com/shoelace/knots.htm>)

Oh my!
Anally retentive sailors and scouts have their own web-site?
(I wear 'dogger' boots most of the time, to avoid those knotty
conundra)
.







User: ""

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 17 Aug 2007 08:03:50 AM
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:50:05 -0700,
wrote:

On Aug 15, 1:45 am, Surfer <sur...@no.spam.net> wrote:

Dear friends,

In a new sign of hope, the Taliban released their first two hostages


snip

I am certainly no fan of the Taliban. These people want to set back
the human race a thousand years. But I have a really difficult time
feeling sorry for the South Korean hostages. They are <spit>
missionaries. The original spammers. Once again, I see the typical
xian reaction to opposition to their mythology:

"Waaah! Those mean people won't let me shove my ***** down their
throat!"

The only good I can see coming out of this whole situation is that
perhaps the dire situation of these poor people will remind other
xians to keep that ***** to themselves.

Not going to happen.
Their Bible tells them they will be persecuted for Jusus' sake and
they consider it to be their duty to become martyrs if necessary.
atheist@home#1554

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

.


User: ""

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 11:47:04 AM
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:15:05 +0930, Surfer <surfer@no.spam.net> wrote:


Dear friends,

In a new sign of hope, the Taliban released their first two hostages
yesterday. The attention and persuasion is beginning to work--but 19
young people, mostly women, still face execution and the nightmare of
captivity.

Over 90,000 of us from 187 countries have rushed to help, and added
our voices to an emergency petition, calling on the Taliban to honour
their own 'Pashtunwali' code of hospitality by releasing the hostages.
This week, we'll spread our message across Afghanistan, by running the
petition as a full page ad in a major newspaper, the Killid Weekly.
Officials have given us the phone number of the Taliban spokesman,
Qari Yusef Ahmadi--so we will also call him to deliver our message
directly to the Taliban leadership.

The Killid Weekly ad, and the phone call to Ahmadi, will be more
effective the greater our numbers. We need to get well over 100,000
signers in the next 24 hours, and massively grow the petition this
week. Please forward this email to as many friends as possible and ask
them to sign the petition at the link below:

Why would you think your opinion matters to the Taliban no matter how
many of you sign the thing?
They don't know you, you don't have anything to threaten them with and
they are too arrogant to be embarrassed by anyone's opinion about
anything.

http://www.avaaz.org/en/honour_the_afghan_code/c.php/?cl=15742471

"To the Taliban leaders,
Please honor the code of the Pashtun people, respect aid workers as
guests in Afghanistan and release all hostages unharmed."
Well that oughtta do it.
Somebody call the South Koreans and tell them the problem has been
solved.
Now lets get up a petition with a large number of signers asking
everybody to be nice to one another and thereby bring peace and
prosperity to the world.
<shakes head>

Afghans tell us that asking the Taliban to respect their own code of
honour is a powerfully persuasive message.

They already know the code.
Yet they have taken hostages and murdered two defenseless people in
this case and murder other innocent people on a near daily basis.
It isn't a code they follow.

In 2003 an aid worker named Bettina Goislard, 29, was shot dead by Taliban gunmen. Local people
chased down the gunmen and handed them over to the police--and then
marched hundreds of miles to Kabul with Bettina's body to show their
shame and remorse.

Taliban code of honor?
They shot and killed <Without shame> an aid worker which isn't exactly
an honorable thing and the local people were ashamed because they
considered it dishonorable.
The local people are not the Taliban.

Although they were Christian evangelicals, all evidence says that the
Koreans were in Afghanistan to do aid work, not to convert Afghans to
their faith. As with other hostages, like the German engineers, the
Taliban targeted them for political and tactical reasons, not
religious ones.

The lives of 19 innocent people hang in the balance. So do the lives
of many Afghan civilians who rely on international help--because if
the Koreans die, other aid groups may leave. This week we have two
major opportunities to be heard by the Taliban. Our strength lies in
our numbers. If you have already signed the petition and would like to
send a message to your email address book, click below to use our
tool:

Did anybody ask the South Korean government what they think of the
idea?
Despite the fact that some Afghan citizens "allegedly" claimed the
Taliban may respond favorably how can you know the petition won't just
anger them and cause them to dig in to prove they will not be
controlled by outside forces?
That in fact the effort may backfire and make things worse?
They laughed when the world begged them to not destroy centuries old
Buddihist statues and shrugged when the world demanded that they stop
murdering people.
Dangerous game naive dogooders sometimes play.
Anyway, while the petition may make the signers feel really good about
themselves, it will probably at best <if the hostages are lucky> just
be ignored.
atheist@home#1554

http://www.avaaz.org/en/honour_the_afghan_code/c.php?cl=15742471#tellafriend

With hope,

Ricken, Iain, Pascal, Graziela and the rest of the Avaaz Team

PS - You can read more about the 'Pashtunwali' code and its ethic of
hospitality here:
http://afghanland.com/culture/pashtunwali.html

And here's a recent article on the hostage crisis:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/14/asia/AS-GEN-Afghan-Kidnappings.php

.
User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 08:11:49 PM
A letter to Santa would bear more weight.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 09:24:37 PM
On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:41:49 +0930, Michael Gray
<mikegray@newsguy.com> wrote:

A letter to Santa would bear more weight.

I agree, but a lot less as far as possible damage.
atheist@home#1554
.



User: "Michael Gray"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 02:30:14 AM
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:15:05 +0930, Surfer <surfer@no.spam.net> wrote:


Dear friends,

In a new sign of hope, the Taliban released their first two hostages
yesterday. The attention and persuasion is beginning to work--but 19
young people, mostly women, still face execution and the nightmare of
captivity.

Are they Christians?
.

User: "Al Klein"

Title: Re: A petition to the Taliban to release more hostages 15 Aug 2007 05:39:48 PM
On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 15:15:05 +0930, Surfer <surfer@no.spam.net> wrote:

Although they were Christian evangelicals, all evidence

Assertions by Christians aren't evidence.

says that the Koreans were in Afghanistan to do aid work

Define "aid".

not to convert Afghans to their faith.

Christians are CHARGED with converting non-Christians. Are you saying
that these people were BAD Christians?
.


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