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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Fr. John Malloy, pastor of Saints Peter and Paul Church in San
Francisco, penned this "Open letter to Nancy Pelosi," which was
recently published in the parish bulletin. We reprint it here with Fr.
Malloy's permission.
Nancy, you are fooling yourself and I fear fooling many good
Catholics. You are simply not in sync with the Catholic Church. Until
you change your non-Catholic positions, you should stop calling
yourself Catholic. Your record shows that you support embryonic stem
cell research, Planned Parenthood, contraception, family planning
funding, allowing minors to have an abortion without parental consent,
and are against making it a crime to harm a fetus, etc. etc.
The fact that you favor married priests and women priests certainly
would not classify you as conservative, but your answer to the
question are you a conservative Catholic was: "I think so. I was
raised in a very strict upbringing in a Catholic home where we
respected people, were observant, were practicing Catholics, and that
the fundamental belief was that God gave us all a free will, and we
were accountable for that, each of us. Each person had that
accountability, so it wasn't for us to make judgments about how people
saw their responsibility and that it wasn't for politicians to make
decisions about how people led their personal lives; certainly, to a
high moral standards, but when it got into decisions about privacy and
all the rest, then that was something that individuals had to answer
to God for, and not to politicians."
That sounds fair and tolerant, but your record belies high moral
standards.
The NARAL rates you 100% pro-abortion. Your statement: "To me it isn't
even a question. God has given us a free will. We're all responsible
for our actions. If you don't want an abortion, you don't believe in
it, [then] don't have one. But don't tell somebody else what they can
do in terms of honoring their responsibilities. My family is very pro-
life. They're not fanatics and they're not activists. I think they'd
like it if I were not so vocally pro-choice."
Do we not elect politicians to make laws that help people honor their
responsibilities, such as protecting life itself? Can politicians not
tell someone else not to kill? If you can kill a baby in the womb,
Nancy, why not outside of it? Oh wait, you are in favor of partial
birth abortion, so-called because the baby sticks out of the "mother"
about halfway, while the "doctor" sucks out the baby's brain. That
seems comparable to the choice the Nazis made killing six million
Jews.
Yes, Nancy, we (together with your pro-life family) would all like it
if you were not so vocally pro-choice, i.e. pro-death. Until your
choice is in line with Catholic doctrine, please, Nancy, do not
receive the Eucharist when you attend Mass.
Rev. John Malloy, SDB San Francisco, CA
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04 Feb 2007 10:42:04 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1778813/posts
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
Hey, Fada Malloy, your insistence on obedience to church doctrine
seems a little, um, selective. Have you written to any Catholic
Republican politicians who support artificial birth control? In-vitro
fertilization? Vasectomies? The death penalty? The war in Iraq?
If not, why not?
Here are the names of three other Catholic politicians:
George Pataki
Rudolph Giuliani
Arnold Schwarzenegger
All three are Republicans. All three are pro-choice. Schwarzenegger
is on record as being against discrimination against gays. Giuliani
is the poster child for sex outside of marriage. How come Pataki,
Giuliani, Schwarzenegger and their Catholic supporters get a pass,
while Nancy Pelosi and her Catholic supporters get pilloried? Do you
think that maybe the key factor here is the "R" after Pataki's,
Giuliani's, Schwarzenegger's names, and the "D" after Pelosi's?
So how are your letters to these three worthies coming along?
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04 Feb 2007 01:21:46 PM |
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"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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Hey, Fada Malloy, your insistence on obedience to church doctrine
seems a little, um, selective. Have you written to any Catholic
Republican politicians who support artificial birth control? In-vitro
fertilization? Vasectomies? The death penalty? The war in Iraq?
If not, why not?
Here are the names of three other Catholic politicians:
George Pataki
Rudolph Giuliani
Arnold Schwarzenegger
All three are Republicans. All three are pro-choice. Schwarzenegger
is on record as being against discrimination against gays. Giuliani
is the poster child for sex outside of marriage. How come Pataki,
Giuliani, Schwarzenegger and their Catholic supporters get a pass,
while Nancy Pelosi and her Catholic supporters get pilloried? Do you
think that maybe the key factor here is the "R" after Pataki's,
Giuliani's, Schwarzenegger's names, and the "D" after Pelosi's?
So how are your letters to these three worthies coming along?
Damn, that was spot on. I would be proud of you, brother, if you mailed this
***** this note.
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04 Feb 2007 10:14:28 PM |
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On Feb 4, 11:21 am, "Geoff" <geb...@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote:
"Spartakus" <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:1170607324.543504.324100@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Hey, Fada Malloy, your insistence on obedience to church doctrine
seems a little, um, selective. Have you written to any Catholic
Republican politicians who support artificial birth control? In-vitro
fertilization? Vasectomies? The death penalty? The war in Iraq?
If not, why not?
Here are the names of three other Catholic politicians:
George Pataki
Rudolph Giuliani
Arnold Schwarzenegger
All three are Republicans. All three are pro-choice. Schwarzenegger
is on record as being against discrimination against gays. Giuliani
is the poster child for sex outside of marriage. How come Pataki,
Giuliani, Schwarzenegger and their Catholic supporters get a pass,
while Nancy Pelosi and her Catholic supporters get pilloried? Do you
think that maybe the key factor here is the "R" after Pataki's,
Giuliani's, Schwarzenegger's names, and the "D" after Pelosi's?
So how are your letters to these three worthies coming along?
Damn, that was spot on. I would be proud of you, brother, if you mailed this
***** this note.
Thanks for the kind words. Here's a letter to the editor that
appeared in the San Francisco Chronicle in response to Malloy:
Casting stones at Pelosi's Catholicism
Editor -- I find Rev. John Malloy's attack on House Speaker Nancy
Pelosi's faith Letters, "Pelosi's Catholicism," Jan. 9), describing
her as "not a Catholic in good standing in her church" because she
refuses to legislate Catholic doctrine into U.S. law, untoward and a
little bit frightening.
While a religion can preach anything it likes, and its adherents are
free to follow it to the last tenet, politicians who foist that faith
on the rest of us have no business being in the government -- and it's
hoped the November election proved that.
It boggles the mind that the good reverend doesn't seem to understand
that people may follow a faith, believe in its values for themselves,
but understand that our pluralistic government should never legislate
that faith or any other into our body of law.
That's the kind of person of faith I admire. Someone such as Pelosi, a
Catholic grandmother, literally. I'm appalled that our local church is
so blatantly political, and suggest that it has more in common with
the fundamentalist fanatics that are destabilizing the world than the
tolerance, understanding and forbearance for which San Francisco is
famous.
It also shows a shocking disregard for our inviolate separation of
church and state. Kudos to the speaker for a pitch-perfect swearing-
in. She does our great city proud!
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04 Feb 2007 11:29:48 AM |
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On 4 Feb 2007 08:42:04 -0800, in alt.atheism
"Spartakus" <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote in
<1170607324.543504.324100@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1778813/posts
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
Hey, Fada Malloy, your insistence on obedience to church doctrine
seems a little, um, selective. Have you written to any Catholic
Republican politicians who support artificial birth control? In-vitro
fertilization? Vasectomies? The death penalty? The war in Iraq?
If not, why not?
Here are the names of three other Catholic politicians:
George Pataki
Rudolph Giuliani
Arnold Schwarzenegger
All three are Republicans. All three are pro-choice. Schwarzenegger
is on record as being against discrimination against gays. Giuliani
is the poster child for sex outside of marriage. How come Pataki,
Giuliani, Schwarzenegger and their Catholic supporters get a pass,
while Nancy Pelosi and her Catholic supporters get pilloried? Do you
think that maybe the key factor here is the "R" after Pataki's,
Giuliani's, Schwarzenegger's names, and the "D" after Pelosi's?
So how are your letters to these three worthies coming along?
Because the Catholic Church is betraying its own history and thinks that
on one will notice its hypocrisy.
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
That's the GOP's job.
Rev. John Malloy, SDB San Francisco, CA
I wonder what his molestation quotient is.
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Doc Smartass, BAAWA Knight of Heckling
aa # 1939
AUTHORITARIANS ARE PERVERTS. Why?
--They consider themselves shepherds.
--They consider the rest of us sheep.
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Because there are no babies in wombs. By definition they're fetuses inside,
babies after viability outside. They remain babies until they learn to walk.
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In article <45cc95ea$0$16298$88260bb3@free.teranews.com>, Peacenik
<cnelsonpublic@hotmail.com> wrote:
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Because there are no babies in wombs. By definition they're fetuses inside,
babies after viability outside. They remain babies until they learn to walk.
That doesnıt fit the ³pro-life² lies, so as far as they are concerned
it is a baby at conception.
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
I am supposed to take seriously a man who wears a skirt and a funny hat,
kisses another man's ring, and calls other men "Your Grace."
The Catholic Church is a bigger fucking joke than the Protestant churches --
at least the Protestants don't look like a Klan meeting.
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:36:40 -0500, "Yo' Momma"
<illnevertell@nowhere.net> wrote:
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
I am supposed to take seriously a man who wears a skirt and a funny hat,
kisses another man's ring, and calls other men "Your Grace."
The Catholic Church is a bigger fucking joke than the Protestant churches --
at least the Protestants don't look like a Klan meeting.
Never been to a Klan meeting? It's the adult men's Sunday School
class.
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Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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04 Feb 2007 10:40:40 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Fr. John Malloy, pastor of Saints Peter and Paul Church in San
Francisco, penned this "Open letter to Nancy Pelosi," which was
recently published in the parish bulletin. We reprint it here with Fr.
Malloy's permission.
Nancy, you are fooling yourself and I fear fooling many good
Catholics. You are simply not in sync with the Catholic Church. Until
you change your non-Catholic positions, you should stop calling
yourself Catholic. Your record shows that you support embryonic stem
cell research, Planned Parenthood, contraception, family planning
funding, allowing minors to have an abortion without parental consent,
and are against making it a crime to harm a fetus, etc. etc.
The fact that you favor married priests and women priests certainly
would not classify you as conservative, but your answer to the
question are you a conservative Catholic was: "I think so. I was
raised in a very strict upbringing in a Catholic home where we
respected people, were observant, were practicing Catholics, and that
the fundamental belief was that God gave us all a free will, and we
were accountable for that, each of us. Each person had that
accountability, so it wasn't for us to make judgments about how people
saw their responsibility and that it wasn't for politicians to make
decisions about how people led their personal lives; certainly, to a
high moral standards, but when it got into decisions about privacy and
all the rest, then that was something that individuals had to answer
to God for, and not to politicians."
That sounds fair and tolerant, but your record belies high moral
standards.
The NARAL rates you 100% pro-abortion. Your statement: "To me it isn't
even a question. God has given us a free will. We're all responsible
for our actions. If you don't want an abortion, you don't believe in
it, [then] don't have one. But don't tell somebody else what they can
do in terms of honoring their responsibilities. My family is very pro-
life. They're not fanatics and they're not activists. I think they'd
like it if I were not so vocally pro-choice."
Do we not elect politicians to make laws that help people honor their
responsibilities, such as protecting life itself? Can politicians not
tell someone else not to kill? If you can kill a baby in the womb,
Nancy, why not outside of it? Oh wait, you are in favor of partial
birth abortion, so-called because the baby sticks out of the "mother"
about halfway, while the "doctor" sucks out the baby's brain. That
seems comparable to the choice the Nazis made killing six million
Jews.
Yes, Nancy, we (together with your pro-life family) would all like it
if you were not so vocally pro-choice, i.e. pro-death. Until your
choice is in line with Catholic doctrine, please, Nancy, do not
receive the Eucharist when you attend Mass.
Rev. John Malloy, SDB San Francisco, CA
Let's see -- when the Dixie Chicks spoke out about George Bush, they were
called fat sluts and ordered to shut up and sing. When Barbra Streisand
spoke out about George Bush, she was called a fat ***** and ordered to shut
up and sing.
The priest needs to shut the ***** up and go molest some altar boys.
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04 Feb 2007 10:34:34 AM |
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"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote in message
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Peloso isn't a conservative. What else is new?
Fr. John Malloy, pastor of Saints Peter and Paul Church in San
Francisco, penned this "Open letter to Nancy Pelosi," which was
recently published in the parish bulletin. We reprint it here with Fr.
Malloy's permission.
Nancy, you are fooling yourself and I fear fooling many good
Catholics. You are simply not in sync with the Catholic Church. Until
you change your non-Catholic positions, you should stop calling
yourself Catholic. Your record shows that you support embryonic stem
cell research, Planned Parenthood, contraception, family planning
funding, allowing minors to have an abortion without parental consent,
and are against making it a crime to harm a fetus, etc. etc.
The fact that you favor married priests and women priests certainly
would not classify you as conservative, but your answer to the
question are you a conservative Catholic was: "I think so. I was
raised in a very strict upbringing in a Catholic home where we
respected people, were observant, were practicing Catholics, and that
the fundamental belief was that God gave us all a free will, and we
were accountable for that, each of us. Each person had that
accountability, so it wasn't for us to make judgments about how people
saw their responsibility and that it wasn't for politicians to make
decisions about how people led their personal lives; certainly, to a
high moral standards, but when it got into decisions about privacy and
all the rest, then that was something that individuals had to answer
to God for, and not to politicians."
That sounds fair and tolerant, but your record belies high moral
standards.
The NARAL rates you 100% pro-abortion. Your statement: "To me it isn't
even a question. God has given us a free will. We're all responsible
for our actions. If you don't want an abortion, you don't believe in
it, [then] don't have one. But don't tell somebody else what they can
do in terms of honoring their responsibilities. My family is very pro-
life. They're not fanatics and they're not activists. I think they'd
like it if I were not so vocally pro-choice."
Do we not elect politicians to make laws that help people honor their
responsibilities, such as protecting life itself? Can politicians not
tell someone else not to kill? If you can kill a baby in the womb,
Nancy, why not outside of it? Oh wait, you are in favor of partial
birth abortion, so-called because the baby sticks out of the "mother"
about halfway, while the "doctor" sucks out the baby's brain. That
seems comparable to the choice the Nazis made killing six million
Jews.
Yes, Nancy, we (together with your pro-life family) would all like it
if you were not so vocally pro-choice, i.e. pro-death. Until your
choice is in line with Catholic doctrine, please, Nancy, do not
receive the Eucharist when you attend Mass.
Rev. John Malloy, SDB San Francisco, CA
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Sounds like the IRS needs to pay this ***** a visit.
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On Sun 04 Feb 2007 12:19:28p, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>, wrote:
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Sounds like the IRS needs to pay this ***** a visit.
Of course. All political opinion that *you* disagree with should be
silenced with the threat of a government sledgehammer. So much for
freedom of speech.
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RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 19:54:15 +0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com>
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On Sun 04 Feb 2007 12:19:28p, "Geoff" <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com>, wrote:
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Sounds like the IRS needs to pay this ***** a visit.
Of course. All political opinion that *you* disagree with should be
silenced with the threat of a government sledgehammer. So much for
freedom of speech.
Actually he's correct, the government cannot prevent the following
of religion. The church cannot prevent the government from passing
laws. When a church attempts to do so the IRS can remove their tax
exempt status. Political campaigning is not a religious function. Just
as proselytizing is not a government function.
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04 Feb 2007 03:13:18 PM |
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A Church should be prevented from engaging in politics.
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A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Fr. John Malloy, pastor of Saints Peter and Paul Church in San
Francisco, penned this "Open letter to Nancy Pelosi," which was
recently published in the parish bulletin. We reprint it here with Fr.
Malloy's permission.
Nancy, you are fooling yourself and I fear fooling many good
Catholics. You are simply not in sync with the Catholic Church. Until
you change your non-Catholic positions, you should stop calling
yourself Catholic. Your record shows that you support embryonic stem
cell research, Planned Parenthood, contraception, family planning
funding, allowing minors to have an abortion without parental consent,
and are against making it a crime to harm a fetus, etc. etc.
The fact that you favor married priests and women priests certainly
would not classify you as conservative, but your answer to the
question are you a conservative Catholic was: "I think so. I was
raised in a very strict upbringing in a Catholic home where we
respected people, were observant, were practicing Catholics, and that
the fundamental belief was that God gave us all a free will, and we
were accountable for that, each of us. Each person had that
accountability, so it wasn't for us to make judgments about how people
saw their responsibility and that it wasn't for politicians to make
decisions about how people led their personal lives; certainly, to a
high moral standards, but when it got into decisions about privacy and
all the rest, then that was something that individuals had to answer
to God for, and not to politicians."
That sounds fair and tolerant, but your record belies high moral
standards.
The NARAL rates you 100% pro-abortion. Your statement: "To me it isn't
even a question. God has given us a free will. We're all responsible
for our actions. If you don't want an abortion, you don't believe in
it, [then] don't have one. But don't tell somebody else what they can
do in terms of honoring their responsibilities. My family is very pro-
life. They're not fanatics and they're not activists. I think they'd
like it if I were not so vocally pro-choice."
Do we not elect politicians to make laws that help people honor their
responsibilities, such as protecting life itself? Can politicians not
tell someone else not to kill? If you can kill a baby in the womb,
Nancy, why not outside of it? Oh wait, you are in favor of partial
birth abortion, so-called because the baby sticks out of the "mother"
about halfway, while the "doctor" sucks out the baby's brain. That
seems comparable to the choice the Nazis made killing six million
Jews.
Yes, Nancy, we (together with your pro-life family) would all like it
if you were not so vocally pro-choice, i.e. pro-death. Until your
choice is in line with Catholic doctrine, please, Nancy, do not
receive the Eucharist when you attend Mass.
Rev. John Malloy, SDB San Francisco, CA
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On Sun 04 Feb 2007 02:13:18p, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>, wrote:
A Church should be prevented from engaging in politics.
A priest of the Church should not be able to write his opinion. Why?
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:10:25 +0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun 04 Feb 2007 02:13:18p, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>, wrote:
A Church should be prevented from engaging in politics.
A priest of the Church should not be able to write his opinion. Why?
If he sent similar letters to the governor and the secretary of state,
Republicans who happen to be pro-choice, I might agree. But I suspect
his moral outrage is partisan.
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04 Feb 2007 11:01:48 AM |
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In article <1170600030.384983.64160@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
Sound of Trumpet <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1778813/posts
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
Fr. John Malloy, pastor of Saints Peter and Paul Church in San
Francisco, penned this "Open letter to Nancy Pelosi," which was
recently published in the parish bulletin. We reprint it here with Fr.
Malloy's permission.
Nancy, you are fooling yourself and I fear fooling many good
Catholics. You are simply not in sync with the Catholic Church. Until
you change your non-Catholic positions, you should stop calling
yourself Catholic. Your record shows that you support embryonic stem
cell research, Planned Parenthood, contraception, family planning
funding, allowing minors to have an abortion without parental consent,
and are against making it a crime to harm a fetus, etc. etc.
The fact that you favor married priests and women priests certainly
would not classify you as conservative, but your answer to the
question are you a conservative Catholic was: "I think so. I was
raised in a very strict upbringing in a Catholic home where we
respected people, were observant, were practicing Catholics, and that
the fundamental belief was that God gave us all a free will, and we
were accountable for that, each of us. Each person had that
accountability, so it wasn't for us to make judgments about how people
saw their responsibility and that it wasn't for politicians to make
decisions about how people led their personal lives; certainly, to a
high moral standards, but when it got into decisions about privacy and
all the rest, then that was something that individuals had to answer
to God for, and not to politicians."
That sounds fair and tolerant, but your record belies high moral
standards.
The NARAL rates you 100% pro-abortion. Your statement: "To me it isn't
even a question. God has given us a free will. We're all responsible
for our actions. If you don't want an abortion, you don't believe in
it, [then] don't have one. But don't tell somebody else what they can
do in terms of honoring their responsibilities. My family is very pro-
life. They're not fanatics and they're not activists. I think they'd
like it if I were not so vocally pro-choice."
Do we not elect politicians to make laws that help people honor their
responsibilities, such as protecting life itself? Can politicians not
tell someone else not to kill? If you can kill a baby in the womb,
Nancy, why not outside of it?
The US Catholic hierarchy is pro-Bush, and therefore pro-Iraq War.
That's all we need to know about any pastor's position regarding
Pelosi's private right to worship as she sees fit. If the pastor were
so concerned about moral issues, he should be far more concerned about
his fellow priests who, for decades, and perhaps centuries, have used
the protections of the Church to dink with little boys and girls.
Until the Church deals with its own issues in a comprehensive, honest
manner, this pastor and the rest of the hierarchy have NO moral
authority to address Pelosi's private right to worship, or anyone
else's.
E. K.
Oh wait, you are in favor of partial
birth abortion, so-called because the baby sticks out of the "mother"
about halfway, while the "doctor" sucks out the baby's brain. That
seems comparable to the choice the Nazis made killing six million
Jews.
Yes, Nancy, we (together with your pro-life family) would all like it
if you were not so vocally pro-choice, i.e. pro-death. Until your
choice is in line with Catholic doctrine, please, Nancy, do not
receive the Eucharist when you attend Mass.
Rev. John Malloy, SDB San Francisco, CA
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In article <1170600030.384983.64160@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net says...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/1778813/posts
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi
EMail | February 1, 2007 | Rev. John Malloy, SDB
Posted on 02/03/2007 4:35:22 PM PST by franky
A priest writes to Nancy Pelosi:
"If you can kill a baby in the womb
It's not a baby when it's in the womb any more than a banana is a
daiquiri while it's still hanging on the tree, your slippery slope
fallacy notwithstanding. A "priest" should certainly know what a
slippery slope fallacy is, since they're required, by papal decree, to
use at least twelve fallacies per sermon and engage in half a dozen
errors of reasoning before breakfast every morning.
, Nancy, why not outside of it?"
(1) Laws. The constitution makes it a citizen on birth -- not before.
(2) Development. A zygote, a blastocyst and an early fetus has no brain
or significant cognitive development, much like priests and republicans.
But even they can experience more sensations and actual thoughts than
fetus.
(3) Autonomy. Once the fetus is able to survive outside the mother's
body, the rights of the mother can be separated from the rights of a born
baby. While it is still inside the mother, the baby is criminally
trespassing inside of her and assaulting her in ways that justify self-
defense.
So the question the moronic priest proposed is kind of like saying, "If
you can kill someone in self defense, who is sitting on your chest and
trying to plunge a knife into your throat, then why can't you kill
someone else who has never done any harm to you?" That's the kind of
broken "logic" you can expect from priests.
Fr. John Malloy,
The stupid little closet queer Malloy couldn't get a job doing anything
else, with his poor reasoning skills, so he dressed in drag and went to
work for the craplic church, the oldest and most corrupt corporation
still in existence. Too bad that Sarbanes Oxley doesn't regulate
churches.
Nancy, you are fooling yourself and I fear fooling many good
Catholics. You are simply not in sync with the Catholic Church.
I know that the church is a big advocate of Gleischaltung, the Nazi term
for lockstep "synchronization" of beliefs. That's especially true now
that they have a bona fide nazi pope. You notice that what he doesn't do
is claim that it is formally ex cathedra teaching, because the church is
too chickenshit to do that anymore.
Until
you change your non-Catholic positions, you should stop calling
yourself Catholic.
She should call herself a secular catholic, because there is nothing
worth saving from the craplic church, religiously speaking.
Your record shows that you support embryonic stem
cell research
As any sane, moral person would do.
Planned Parenthood,
As any sane, moral person would do.
contraception,
As any sane, moral person would do.
family planning
funding,
As any sane, moral person would do.
allowing minors to have an abortion without parental consent,
As any sane, moral person would do. It's not the parents life and once
the child is "the parent", it's a matter of her consent, not the
grandparents.
and are against making it a crime to harm a fetus, etc. etc.
As any sane, moral person would do.
The fact that you favor married priests
Yep, I know you're afraid of the poonanny, which is why you became a
priest.
and women priests
Yep. Nothing wrong with that.
certainly
would not classify you as conservative
It's about fairness, not conservation of discriminatory policy.
, but your answer to the
question are you a conservative Catholic was: "I think so. I was
raised in a very strict upbringing in a Catholic home where we
respected people, were observant, were practicing Catholics, and that
the fundamental belief was that God gave us all a free will, and we
were accountable for that, each of us. Each person had that
accountability, so it wasn't for us to make judgments about how people
saw their responsibility and that it wasn't for politicians to make
decisions about how people led their personal lives; certainly, to a
high moral standards, but when it got into decisions about privacy and
all the rest, then that was something that individuals had to answer
to God for, and not to politicians."
That sounds fair and tolerant,
And you can't stand that, can you?
but your record belies high moral
standards.
Doubtful.
The NARAL rates you 100% pro-abortion.
No, it's pro-choice. 100% pro-abortion would mean requiring abortion all
the time, which nobody is doing, even if it might mean fewer christers.
Your statement: "To me it isn't
even a question. God has given us a free will. We're all responsible
for our actions. If you don't want an abortion, you don't believe in
it, [then] don't have one. But don't tell somebody else what they can
do in terms of honoring their responsibilities. My family is very pro-
life. They're not fanatics and they're not activists. I think they'd
like it if I were not so vocally pro-choice."
Do we not elect politicians to make laws that help people honor their
responsibilities,
But we try not to infringe upon the rights of others. At least non-
theocrats do.
such as protecting life itself? Can politicians not
tell someone else not to kill?
They can't outlaw common sense and self-defense, both of which describe
abortion.
If you can kill a baby in the womb,
Nancy, why not outside of it?
Already explained above.
Oh wait, you are in favor of partial
birth abortion,
No such thing. What is favored is the safest procedures for the pregnant
women.
so-called because the baby sticks out of the "mother"
about halfway, while the "doctor" sucks out the baby's brain. That
seems comparable to the choice the Nazis made killing six million
Jews.
No it doesn't, fucking moron, because these jews were not second
trimester fetuses. Many were highly skilled, adult human beings capable
of thinking, feeling pain and positively contributing to society.
Fetuses cannot and do not do these things yet.
Yes, Nancy, we (together with your pro-life family) would all like it
if you were not so vocally pro-choice, i.e. pro-death.
It's still in a vegetative state, if it has brain activity at all. It is
already brain dead, because over 90% of abortions take place in the first
trimester.
Until your
choice is in line with Catholic doctrine, please, Nancy, do not
receive the Eucharist when you attend Mass.
Who would want to anyway?
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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04 Feb 2007 01:38:28 PM |
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On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:49:48 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's not a baby when it's in the womb
What is it, dumbass, a dog?
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:jgdcs25t4v2t7camoi72ari9hptvhkt128@4ax.com...
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:49:48 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's not a baby when it's in the womb
What is it, dumbass, a dog?
No, its a Dukey!
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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04 Feb 2007 04:20:46 PM |
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In article <jgdcs25t4v2t7camoi72ari9hptvhkt128@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:49:48 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com> wrote:
It's not a baby when it's in the womb
What is it, dumbass, a dog?
No, stupid *****, it's not even that advanced, kind of like your own
aborted brain development.
--
Quibbler (quibbler247atyahoo.com)
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
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04 Feb 2007 06:24:24 PM |
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On Sun 04 Feb 2007 03:20:46p, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>, wrote:
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
You mean like faith in the "fact" of evolution as opposed to the
various and conflicting "theories" of evolution?
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:24:24 +0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun 04 Feb 2007 03:20:46p, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>, wrote:
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
You mean like faith in the "fact" of evolution as opposed to the
various and conflicting "theories" of evolution?
What "various and conflicting theories", liar?
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05 Feb 2007 06:20:37 AM |
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Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:24:24 +0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun 04 Feb 2007 03:20:46p, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>, wrote:
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
You mean like faith in the "fact" of evolution as opposed to the
various and conflicting "theories" of evolution?
What "various and conflicting theories", liar?
I think to be fair to all here there are conflicting theories attempting
to explaing the *facts* of evolution. But no more so than there are
explaining the theory of gravity, or blackholes, or any other branch of
science.
Once there are no competing and conflicting theories science would stop.
Now, I'm not a biologist, but I have worked as a government scientist,
and I know that if you put three specialists in the same room you're
going to have 5 different theories they'll bash each other about the
head with.
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 12:20:37 +0000, Martin <usenet1@etiqa.co.uk>
wrote:
Christopher A.Lee wrote:
On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:24:24 +0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com>
wrote:
On Sun 04 Feb 2007 03:20:46p, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>, wrote:
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
You mean like faith in the "fact" of evolution as opposed to the
various and conflicting "theories" of evolution?
What "various and conflicting theories", liar?
I think to be fair to all here there are conflicting theories attempting
to explaing the *facts* of evolution. But no more so than there are
explaining the theory of gravity, or blackholes, or any other branch of
science.
The mechanisms are well understood. Even punctuated equilibrium is
merely the same mechanism actingon a small population.
Once there are no competing and conflicting theories science would stop.
Now, I'm not a biologist, but I have worked as a government scientist,
and I know that if you put three specialists in the same room you're
going to have 5 different theories they'll bash each other about the
head with.
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07 Feb 2007 10:01:16 PM |
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On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 07:23:58 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
The mechanisms are well understood. Even punctuated equilibrium is
merely the same mechanism actingon a small population.
Punk eek may be just an artifact of observation. Try digitizing
speech using 100 samples per second. It wasn't that choppy to start
with.
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On Wed, 07 Feb 2007 23:01:16 -0500, Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid>
wrote:
On Mon, 05 Feb 2007 07:23:58 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
<calee@optonline.net> wrote:
The mechanisms are well understood. Even punctuated equilibrium is
merely the same mechanism actingon a small population.
Punk eek may be just an artifact of observation. Try digitizing
speech using 100 samples per second. It wasn't that choppy to start
with.
Exactly. The Liars For God simply do not know anything about what they
are arguing against and ignore its mechanisms even though they are
well known.
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On Mon, 5 Feb 2007 00:24:24 +0000 (UTC), in alt.atheism
RonB <ronb02@spamNOgmail.com> wrote in
<Xns98CDB0317EAA4ezboard1lycoscom@news.datemas.de>:
On Sun 04 Feb 2007 03:20:46p, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>, wrote:
"It is fashionable to wax apocalyptic about the
threat to humanity posed by the AIDS virus, 'mad cow'
disease, and many others, but I think a case can be
made that faith is one of the world's great evils,
comparable to the smallpox virus but harder to
eradicate." -- Richard Dawkins
You mean like faith in the "fact" of evolution as opposed to the
various and conflicting "theories" of evolution?
Your understanding of the words _fact_ and _theory_ does not conform to
scientific standards.
--
"... There's glory for you."
"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,'" Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiles contemptuously. "Of course you don't--till
I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"
"But glory doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,
"it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice "whether you can make words mean so
many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master--that's
all."
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On Sun 04 Feb 2007 03:20:46p, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>, wrote:
In article <jgdcs25t4v2t7camoi72ari9hptvhkt128@4ax.com>,
duckgumbo32@cox.net says...
On Sun, 4 Feb 2007 11:49:48 -0700, quibbler <quibbler247@yahoo.com>
wrote:
It's not a baby when it's in the womb
What is it, dumbass, a dog?
No, stupid *****, it's not even that advanced, kind of like your own
aborted brain development.
The unborn baby is alive, it's parents are human and it's growing. Of
course it's not human, it's a... "fetus," yeah, that's it. A fetus.
And, as you know, a "fetus" is specific species, not a stage in the
development of say, a human being.
(So much for science here.)
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RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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