Religions > Atheism > A Question About Christians Claiming Historical and Archaeological Evidence.
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25 Feb 2004 09:31:56 AM |
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A Question About Christians Claiming Historical and Archaeological Evidence. |
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
The Exodus and Ancient Egyptian Records
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html
In my opinion, this nonsense that these website are spewing is
obviously no different than the Noah Ark hoax in 1993 and the Jesus'
brother James box in 2001. For all I know the exodus pottery is
either a hoax or a misunderstanding. However, what do you guys think
about this? Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
Thanks.
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25 Feb 2004 11:22:00 AM |
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"Roshard Davis" <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote
Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological
findings?
Yeah. And then afterwards I "Try" to refute the claim that the
sun rises in the south & sets in the east.
Real hard, that.
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| User: "ALOHA" |
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25 Feb 2004 11:22:05 AM |
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"Roshard Davis" <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
You could spend your whole life debating this topic--and you would still not
resolve it.
Christians use bad science to substantiate their beliefs. There was a time
that you could be imprisoned for expressing a belief that the World wasn't
flat, or that the Sun did not revolve around the Earth.
Eventually, when the evidence is so overwhelming that they can no longer
deny it, the religious leaders change their approach, defining the events as
God's way of expressing complex concepts in a way that mankind could
understand. A good example of this is the story of how God created the
world in 6 days. Only the die-hards believe that anymore.
I just ignore their claims, and let them go on believing what they want.
Life is too short to argue with simpletons.
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| User: "Roshard Davis" |
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26 Feb 2004 05:30:05 AM |
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"ALOHA" <ALOHA@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<1R4%b.19833$W74.1730@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"Roshard Davis" <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
You could spend your whole life debating this topic--and you would still not
resolve it.
That makes sense. Some christian out there do have the habit of
ignoring certain facts when they know good well they are wrong.
Christians use bad science to substantiate their beliefs. There was a time
that you could be imprisoned for expressing a belief that the World wasn't
flat, or that the Sun did not revolve around the Earth.
I agree. That is what I think happened to Galileo when he died.
Religious people executed him because he discovered that the sun was
in the center of the solar system, not the earth.
Eventually, when the evidence is so overwhelming that they can no longer
deny it, the religious leaders change their approach, defining the events as
God's way of expressing complex concepts in a way that mankind could
understand. A good example of this is the story of how God created the
world in 6 days. Only the die-hards believe that anymore.
I just ignore their claims, and let them go on believing what they want.
Life is too short to argue with simpletons.
I agree with this too. I didn't start the argument, but I won't get
involved into it with christians anymore, especially if their minds
are closed to anything else to begin with. Thanks for the advice.
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| User: "ALOHA" |
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26 Feb 2004 08:47:40 AM |
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"Roshard Davis" <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I agree with this too. I didn't start the argument, but I won't get
involved into it with christians anymore, especially if their minds
are closed to anything else to begin with. Thanks for the advice.
Actually, those endless arguments between Catholics, Protestants and Jews
are self-serving to all of them. What I mean is that, while they are all
debating the fine points of their doctrines, they ignore the REAL question
of whether or not it is all just myth.
Charles F. Haanel, in his watershed work, "The Master Key System," said it
best:
"Spiritual Science has previously been the football of the uneducated, the
the superstitious, the mystical, but men are now interested in definite
methods and demonstrated facts only."
It has taken many eons for evolution to bring mankind to this point. I am
not angry at believers--I once thought the same as they do now. It is only
through education that science is able to shine its light on the mind of
man--and the fog slowly lifts as it does when the sun burns it up in the
morning.
Slowly, the pendulum is shifting away from superstition and toward
scientific fact. We need to let nature run its course. No point in
spending all of one's energy arguing with people whose minds are tightly
shut. Better to use our energies to improve things in the here and now.
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| User: "newBjorn" |
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26 Feb 2004 08:39:34 PM |
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(Roshard Davis) wrote in message news:<7ff746da.0402260330.3ce47373@posting.google.com>...
"ALOHA" <ALOHA@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<1R4%b.19833$W74.1730@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
"Roshard Davis" < > wrote in message
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Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
You could spend your whole life debating this topic--and you would still not
resolve it.
That makes sense. Some christian out there do have the habit of
ignoring certain facts .....
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I agree. That is what I think happened to Galileo when he died.
Religious people executed him because he discovered that the sun was
in the center of the solar system, not the earth.
It's not only xtians that ignore the facts....
The threat of execution was certainly there, but because he was
willing to perjure himself and lend support to the dogmatic fallacies
of the church gawd told the inquisition not to kill him
(eg http://es.rice.edu/ES/humsoc/Galileo/Bio/narrative_7.html )
Asserting falsehoods is what xtians do.
They aren't able to use reason or facts to support their fantasies, so
they tend to personally attack those that dare disagree.
Don't give 'em ammo. They're dependent & deluded.
They tend to confuse a pea-shooter with a Pershing(when it suits
them).
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B Witbotl.
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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25 Feb 2004 11:46:15 AM |
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"Roshard Davis" <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7ff746da.0402250731.61c07258@posting.google.com...
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
"The claim is simple: if the Bible's story of the Exodus is true, if about
two million Israelites traveled acress the Sinai wilderness on their way to
Canaan, there should certainly be a trail left behind, marked mainly by
pieces of broken pottery. They claim that no such pottery has been found in
the Sinai, and thus the Bible's story must be false."
Two million people leaving would have been mentioned in Egyptian records.
Two million people are going to leave far more evidence that bits of
pottery.
Since the average lifespan was about 20 years and about half of all children
died before teh age of five there would two million people over 40 years are
goiing to leave over two million graves along their line of march.
The Exodus and Ancient Egyptian Records
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html
This one uses Velikovsky to argue their claim. That alone is enough to
ignore it.
Even most fundy christians will ignore it if they read any of that crackpots
claims.
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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25 Feb 2004 06:34:45 PM |
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:46:15 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Roshard Davis" <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7ff746da.0402250731.61c07258@posting.google.com...
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
"The claim is simple: if the Bible's story of the Exodus is true, if about
two million Israelites traveled acress the Sinai wilderness on their way to
Canaan, there should certainly be a trail left behind, marked mainly by
pieces of broken pottery. They claim that no such pottery has been found in
the Sinai, and thus the Bible's story must be false."
Two million people leaving would have been mentioned in Egyptian records.
Two million people are going to leave far more evidence that bits of
pottery.
Since the average lifespan was about 20 years and about half of all children
died before teh age of five there would two million people over 40 years are
goiing to leave over two million graves along their line of march.
(sorry for the piggyback ;-)
The Israelites are 'wandering' the desert. About as hostile a place
imaginable. They would need clothing, food, shelter and sanitation and
a host of other necessities just to survive. Mike mentioned dead
bodies, let's not forget how many dead sheep, horses, mules, donkeys,
chickens etc. that would be left.
Even as modern as we are today, the logistics of taking care of an
army of two million would cost billions a day and require more than
five times that to support them.
The Exodus is just another ridicules bible myth. The only way it
could have happened is with the tried and true 'goddidit!'.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "The Church of The Painful Truth" |
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25 Feb 2004 07:56:28 PM |
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"Steve Knight" <wooooly@sonic.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:46:15 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Roshard Davis" <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7ff746da.0402250731.61c07258@posting.google.com...
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
"The claim is simple: if the Bible's story of the Exodus is true, if
about
two million Israelites traveled acress the Sinai wilderness on their way
to
Canaan, there should certainly be a trail left behind, marked mainly by
pieces of broken pottery. They claim that no such pottery has been found
in
the Sinai, and thus the Bible's story must be false."
Two million people leaving would have been mentioned in Egyptian records.
Two million people are going to leave far more evidence that bits of
pottery.
Since the average lifespan was about 20 years and about half of all
children
died before teh age of five there would two million people over 40 years
are
goiing to leave over two million graves along their line of march.
(sorry for the piggyback ;-)
The Israelites are 'wandering' the desert. About as hostile a place
imaginable. They would need clothing, food, shelter and sanitation and
a host of other necessities just to survive. Mike mentioned dead
bodies, let's not forget how many dead sheep, horses, mules, donkeys,
chickens etc. that would be left.
Even as modern as we are today, the logistics of taking care of an
army of two million would cost billions a day and require more than
five times that to support them.
The Exodus is just another ridicules bible myth. The only way it
could have happened is with the tried and true 'goddidit!'.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
+Hey moron, prove your atheistic stance beyond a shadow of a doubt+
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26 Feb 2004 08:43:29 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message news:<dnc%b.340$os4.46406@news.uswest.net>...
"Steve Knight" <wooooly@sonic.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:46:15 GMT, "Mike Painter" <mdotpainter@att.net>
wrote:
"Roshard Davis" <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7ff746da.0402250731.61c07258@posting.google.com...
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
"The claim is simple: if the Bible's story of the Exodus is true, if
about
two million Israelites traveled acress the Sinai wilderness on their way
to
Canaan, there should certainly be a trail left behind, marked mainly by
pieces of broken pottery. They claim that no such pottery has been found
in
the Sinai, and thus the Bible's story must be false."
Two million people leaving would have been mentioned in Egyptian records.
Two million people are going to leave far more evidence that bits of
pottery.
Since the average lifespan was about 20 years and about half of all
children
died before teh age of five there would two million people over 40 years
are
goiing to leave over two million graves along their line of march.
(sorry for the piggyback ;-)
The Israelites are 'wandering' the desert. About as hostile a place
imaginable. They would need clothing, food, shelter and sanitation and
a host of other necessities just to survive. Mike mentioned dead
bodies, let's not forget how many dead sheep, horses, mules, donkeys,
chickens etc. that would be left.
Even as modern as we are today, the logistics of taking care of an
army of two million would cost billions a day and require more than
five times that to support them.
The Exodus is just another ridicules bible myth. The only way it
could have happened is with the tried and true 'goddidit!'.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
+Hey moron, prove your atheistic stance beyond a shadow of a doubt+
That would require *evidence* - something imaginary events just don't leave.
Are you intelligent enough to understand that??
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B Witbotl.
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26 Feb 2004 02:26:15 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message news:<dnc%b.340$os4.46406@news.uswest.net>...
"Steve Knight" <wooooly@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:jveq301rinhh9v9bj5tkpnfq69e5e97i73@4ax.com...
The Israelites are 'wandering' the desert. About as hostile a place
imaginable. They would need clothing, food, shelter and sanitation and
a host of other necessities just to survive. Mike mentioned dead
bodies, let's not forget how many dead sheep, horses, mules, donkeys,
chickens etc. that would be left.
Even as modern as we are today, the logistics of taking care of an
army of two million would cost billions a day and require more than
five times that to support them.
The Exodus is just another ridicules bible myth. The only way it
could have happened is with the tried and true 'goddidit!'.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
+Hey moron, prove your atheistic stance beyond a shadow of a doubt+
He did. Didn't you see it? You're a believer, you should know that
just because you don't see something, that doesn't mean it's not true.
The burden of proof is on the one denying that it happened. If you
can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Steve did *not* post the
proof you asked for, then he must have posted it. There may not be
any evidence of it, but if you can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
that he didn't do it, then he must have done it. Right?
m
aa#2115
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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26 Feb 2004 06:42:10 PM |
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"The Church of The Painful Truth" <Nospam@Nomarketing.com> wrote in message news:<dnc%b.340$os4.46406@news.uswest.net>...
"Steve Knight" <wooooly@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:jveq301rinhh9v9bj5tkpnfq69e5e97i73@4ax.com...
The Israelites are 'wandering' the desert. About as hostile a place
imaginable. They would need clothing, food, shelter and sanitation and
a host of other necessities just to survive. Mike mentioned dead
bodies, let's not forget how many dead sheep, horses, mules, donkeys,
chickens etc. that would be left.
Even as modern as we are today, the logistics of taking care of an
army of two million would cost billions a day and require more than
five times that to support them.
The Exodus is just another ridicules bible myth. The only way it
could have happened is with the tried and true 'goddidit!'.
+Hey moron, prove your atheistic stance beyond a shadow of a doubt+
I can't to you. A shadow of doubt to a christian is full of magic
and other lying nonsense.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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27 Feb 2004 09:33:36 PM |
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The Church of The Painful Truth wrote:
+Hey moron, prove your atheistic stance beyond a shadow of a doubt+
Atheism presumes no gods as default reality. A negative assertion needs
no proof. It is entirely up to the theists to prove theirs.
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28 Feb 2004 03:01:15 AM |
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without a thought for posterity Father Haskell plundered three dragon
hoards and indiscretely shared the experience with the world by writing :
The Church of The Painful Truth wrote:
+Hey moron, prove your atheistic stance beyond a shadow of a doubt+
Atheism presumes no gods as default reality. A negative assertion needs
no proof. It is entirely up to the theists to prove theirs.
De fault is with the shamans
Ærchie
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25 Feb 2004 08:01:52 PM |
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In alt.atheism on Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:34:45 GMT,
Steve Knight <wooooly@sonic.net> wrote:
The Israelites are 'wandering' the desert. About as hostile a place
imaginable. They would need clothing, food, shelter and sanitation and
a host of other necessities just to survive. Mike mentioned dead
bodies, let's not forget how many dead sheep, horses, mules, donkeys,
chickens etc. that would be left.
The desert floor is surprisingly fragile[1]. Even if all those needs were
miraculously met and the trash and excrement miraculously collected, the
effect on the surface of that many people and animals in that area for that
length of time would be visible to this day in aerial and satellite photos.
A "camp" containing six hundred thousand adult males and their households and
personal effects would have covered an area of at least a hundred square
miles. The ecological effects would be obvious to us now. "Pottery" is the
least of the things to go looking for.
[1]
http://www.shalomctr.org/index.cfm/action/read/section/iraq/article/article484.html
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25 Feb 2004 07:17:11 PM |
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Subject: A Question About Christians Claiming Historical and Archaeological
Evidence.
From: (Roshard Davis)
Date: 02/25/2004 10:31 AM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <7ff746da.0402250731.61c07258@posting.google.com>
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
The Exodus and Ancient Egyptian Records
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html
In my opinion, this nonsense that these website are spewing is
obviously no different than the Noah Ark hoax in 1993 and the Jesus'
brother James box in 2001. For all I know the exodus pottery is
either a hoax or a misunderstanding. However, what do you guys think
about this? Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
Thanks.
I have a follow up question. Not only do you have the problem of how they
survived in the Sini for 40 yrs (what they ate, drank, etc) but how did they go
undetected for that long? I don't think you could hide 2 million people
undetected in Alaska for that long let a lone a tiny region like the Sini.
Just a passing thought, thanks
-Stephen
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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25 Feb 2004 08:46:43 PM |
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"SReeseMe" <sreeseme@aol.com> wrote in message
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I have a follow up question. Not only do you have the problem of how they
survived in the Sini for 40 yrs (what they ate, drank, etc) but how did
they go
undetected for that long? I don't think you could hide 2 million people
undetected in Alaska for that long let a lone a tiny region like the Sini.
It did not happen.
Nobody except people who believe the bible is true no matter what the
evidence says believes this story.
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| User: "Pope Rudraigh" |
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26 Feb 2004 12:02:44 PM |
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On 25 Feb 2004 07:31:56 -0800, (Roshard
Davis) wrote:
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
The Exodus and Ancient Egyptian Records
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html
In my opinion, this nonsense that these website are spewing is
obviously no different than the Noah Ark hoax in 1993 and the Jesus'
brother James box in 2001. For all I know the exodus pottery is
either a hoax or a misunderstanding. However, what do you guys think
about this? Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
Thanks.
Visit My Website:
http://www.geocities.com/freedomwarrior5000
I'm rather curious as to why it falls to Atheists to do any refuting
at all. The claims on those sites are very obviously spurious and
will not hold up to scientific scrutiny.
Gee, potshards found indicating occupation. This in an area that has
been occupied or travelled through for millenia.
Whooda thunk it?!?
Pope Rudraigh
2003 East Bay Atheist of the Year
"Holy trinity my triple cheeked *****!"
http://www.rudraigh.com/afjc/home.html (temp)
I'm the guy your mother warned you about.
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25 Feb 2004 08:53:29 PM |
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Roshard Davis <freedomwarrior5000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7ff746da.0402250731.61c07258@posting.google.com...
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
This site's arguments are just nonsense. Of course archaeological surveys
have found lots of campsites along the northern coast of the Sinai - that
was an Egyptian highway called (variously) the Ways of Horus, the Via Maris
(which means "way of the sea"), and the Way of the Philistines. The
pharaohs of the New Kingdom had a network of fortified outposts along that
way which they used to facilitate quick movements of soldiers into Canaan.
However, that is precisely the route which the Bible tells us the
Israelites did *not* take (Exodus 13:17). Surveys of the central and
southern Sinai, by contrast, reveal no evidence of human occupation on the
massive scale the Exodus is said to have been. The nail in the coffin is
the site of Kadesh-barnea, an oasis in the eastern Sinai where the
Israelites are said to have camped for a considerable time (Deuteronomy
1:46, 2:14). Excavations at this site, identified with the modern-day oasis
of Ain el-Qudeirat, reveal three successive fortresses dating to the Iron
Age, but nothing earlier; Kadesh-barnea was unoccupied at the supposed time
of the Exodus.
I have a three-part article on Old Testament archaeology on my site that
might prove helpful:
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/otarch.html
The Exodus and Ancient Egyptian Records
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html
This page cites Immanuel Velikovsky. 'Nuff said.
In regards to very early dating of the Exodus generally, see:
http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/otarch2.html#merneptah
The Merneptah Stele, an inscription written by a pharaoh who reigned from
1213 to 1203 BCE, contains the earliest known extra-biblical mention of
Israel. However, it refers to them as a nomadic people, not a settled
nation. A straightforward reading of the biblical text would link this with
the period of the judges, but the Early Bronze Age was from approximately
3300 to 2000 BCE. Therefore, to hear these apologists tell it, the
Israelites were a non-settled, tribal people for over eight hundred years -
far, far longer than the period of the judges is described in the Bible.
(According to 1 Kings 6:1, only 480 years passed from the Exodus to the
building of the First Temple.) In order to force-fit the archaeological
evidence to conform to the story, these apologists have to write off as
inaccurate the very text which they are trying to defend!
In my opinion, this nonsense that these website are spewing is
obviously no different than the Noah Ark hoax in 1993 and the Jesus'
brother James box in 2001. For all I know the exodus pottery is
either a hoax or a misunderstanding. However, what do you guys think
about this? Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
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Call me a humanist | http://www.ebonmusings.org
I guess I'm full of doubt | e-mail: ebonmuse!hotmail.com
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25 Feb 2004 11:31:41 AM |
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Roshard Davis wrote:
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened...
Well, they're fools. What did you expect them to say?
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David V.
Yosemite Llama Ranch
UDP for WebTV
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25 Feb 2004 10:02:15 AM |
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without a thought for posterity Roshard Davis plundered three dragon
hoards and indiscretely shared the experience with the world by writing :
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
The Exodus and Ancient Egyptian Records
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html
In my opinion, this nonsense that these website are spewing is
obviously no different than the Noah Ark hoax in 1993 and the Jesus'
brother James box in 2001. For all I know the exodus pottery is
either a hoax or a misunderstanding. However, what do you guys think
about this? Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
Why should I, or any other atheist bother about what the lying cunts claim?
It is up to them to prove me wrong!
Pope Ærchie 1st, The Poon Pope, Preacher of the Perpetual Wet
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26 Feb 2004 05:21:34 AM |
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Ærchie <hard@it.allthetime> wrote in message news:<mlhp309l82m3cjl89fapnq6fv5edgi02gr@4ax.com>...
without a thought for posterity Roshard Davis plundered three dragon
hoards and indiscretely shared the experience with the world by writing :
Hi everyone. There was a christian on an atheist yahoo group that
claimed the events in Exodus did happened and that biblical
archaeologist and historians have proof of it and pointed people to
these website:
Exodus Pottery in the Sinai Wilderness
http://www.biblicalchronologist.org/answers/exoduspottery.php
The Exodus and Ancient Egyptian Records
http://www.starways.net/lisa/essays/exodus.html
In my opinion, this nonsense that these website are spewing is
obviously no different than the Noah Ark hoax in 1993 and the Jesus'
brother James box in 2001. For all I know the exodus pottery is
either a hoax or a misunderstanding. However, what do you guys think
about this? Have any atheists out there have ever tried to refute
these so-called biblical historical and archaeological findings?
Why should I, or any other atheist bother about what the lying cunts claim?
It is up to them to prove me wrong!
Actually you're right. Since they (the christians) made the claim,
then it would make sense for the burden of proof to be on them, not
us. Thanks for reminding me of this :-).
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