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"Jim07D4" |
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08 Apr 2004 11:19:20 AM |
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A Question About Parables |
I am wondering what atheists and Christian theists think about NT
parables. Are there Christians who think they are literal reports of
something that actually happened? Is there disagreement among
Christians on this point?
For example, the parable of the vineyard, at Matt 20:01ff. Setting
aside for the moment the matter of whether there was a Jesus, or a
person who is regarded as God incarnate actually preached this
parable, is it expected that Christians believe the that there was a
vineyard where, one day, the owner gave everyone the same pay,
regardless of when, during the day, he hired them? Is there any
Christian denomination that makes this an important article of faith?
For those interested, here is a list from
http://www.centuryone.com/6077-X.html
PARABLES OF THE REVELATION OF GOD
A. Parables of God’s Extraordinary Forgiveness and Grace
2.1. The Unforgiving Slave, Matthew 18:23-35
2.2. The Workers in the Vineyard, Matthew 20:1-16
B. Parables of God’s Extraordinary Love for the Lost
2.3. The Lost Sheep, Matthew 18:12-14//Luke 15:4-7; Thomas 107; Gospel
of Truth 31-32
2.4. The Lost Coin, Luke 15:8-10
2.5. The Prodigal Son, Luke 15:11-32
PARABLES OF EXEMPLARY BEHAVIOR
3.6. The Good Samaritan, Luke 10:25-37
3.7. The Rich Fool, Luke 12:16-21; Thomas 63
3.8. The Rich Man and Lazarus, Luke 16:19-31
3.9. The Pharisee and the Tax Collector, Luke 18:10-14
PARABLES OF WISDOM
4.10. The Wise and Foolish Builders, Matthew 7:24-27//Luke 6:47-49
4.11. Building a Tower, Luke 14:28-30
4.12. The King Going to War, Luke 14:31-33
4.13. The Unjust Manager, Luke 16:1-8
4.14. The Faithful and Wise Slave, Matthew 24:45-51//Luke 12:42-46
4.15. The Ten Maidens, Matthew 25:1-13
PARABLES OF LIFE BEFORE GOD
5.16. The Sower and Its Interpretation, Mark 4:3-8, 13-20//Matthew
13:3-8, 18-23// Luke 8:5-8, 11-15; Thomas 9
5.17. Children in the Marketplace, Matthew 11:16-19//Luke 7:31-35
5.18. The Two Debtors, Luke 7:41-43
5.19. The Two Sons, Matthew 21:28-32
5.20. The Friend at Midnight, Luke 11:5-8
5.21. The Father’s Good Gifts, Matthew 7:9-11//Luke 11:11-13
5.22. The Barren Fig Tree, Luke 13:6-9
5.23. The Slave at Duty, Luke 17:7-10
5.24. The Unjust Judge, Luke 18:2-8
5.25. The Waiting Slaves, Mark 13:34-37//Luke 12:35-38
5.26. The Talents, Matthew 25:14-30
5.27. The Pounds, Luke 19:12-27
PARABLES OF FINAL JUDGMENT
6.28. The Weeds in the Wheat and Its Interpretation, Matthew 13:24-30,
37-43; Thomas 57
6.29. The Dragnet and Its Interpretation, Matthew 13:47-50
6.30. The Final Judgment, Matthew 25:31-46
ALLEGORICAL PARABLES
7.31. The Great Banquet, Luke 14:16-24; Thomas 64
7.32. The Wedding Feast, Matthew 22:1-14
7.33. The Wicked Tenants, Mark 12:1-12//Matthew 21:33-46//Luke
20:9-19; Thomas 65–66
PARABLES OF THE KINGDOM
A. Parables on the Growth of the Kingdom
8.34. The Seed Growing Secretly, Mark 4:26-29; Thomas 57
8.35. The Mustard Seed, Mark 4:30-32//Matthew 13:31-32//Luke 13:18-19;
Thomas 20
8.36. The Leaven, Matthew 13:33//Luke 13:20-21; Thomas 96
B. Parables on the Joy of Discovering the Kingdom
8.37. The Treasure in the Field, Matthew 13:44; Thomas 109
8.38. The Pearl of Great Price, Matthew 13:45-46; Thomas 76
Jim07D4
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: A Question About Parables |
08 Apr 2004 11:43:01 AM |
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On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:19:20 GMT, Jim07D4 <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote:
I am wondering what atheists and Christian theists think about NT
parables. Are there Christians who think they are literal reports of
something that actually happened? Is there disagreement among
Christians on this point?
They have no more relevance outside Christianity than the Moslem
equivalent outside Islam.
Which should be obvious.
I am puzzled why so many idiots can't grasp this simple point.
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| User: "Jim07D4" |
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| Title: Re: A Question About Parables |
08 Apr 2004 12:24:26 PM |
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Christopher A. Lee <calee@optonline.net> said:
On Thu, 08 Apr 2004 16:19:20 GMT, Jim07D4 <Jim07D4@nospam.net> wrote:
I am wondering what atheists and Christian theists think about NT
parables. Are there Christians who think they are literal reports of
something that actually happened? Is there disagreement among
Christians on this point?
They have no more relevance outside Christianity than the Moslem
equivalent outside Islam.
Which should be obvious.
I am puzzled why so many idiots can't grasp this simple point.
Because they're idiots? ;-)
IMO, both of those religions (and others) have taken more or less
universally recognized values, good advice for getting along with
others, etc. and dressed them up in stories that are (or were once)
graspable by the typical person of the time. They are like Aesop's
fables.
One thing I would like to know is whether Christians who come here
think they are literal history.
Jim07D4
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| User: "Lord Calvert" |
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| Title: Re: A Question About Parables |
08 Apr 2004 03:44:19 PM |
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One thing I would like to know is whether Christians who come here
think they are literal history.
One of the things I've noticed is that Christians claim some of Jesus'
statements are parables if it describes something uncomfortable to them, while
when he says something they like then it is considered the literal truth.
Rich Goranson, Amherst, NY, USA (aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1)
EAC Department of Applied Rattan Use
"Without faith we might relapse into scientific or rational thinking, which
leads by a slippery slope toward constitutional democracy." - Robert Anton
Wilson
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