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"Piercing Blade" |
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19 Jan 2004 11:28:56 AM |
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A RACIST is more like it Re: Is Klein an atheist. |
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity, when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism. Consistently, you
take their side *against* all the atheists, even on clear-cut (so to
speak) topics such as circumcision.
Your bigotry against Arabs is vile. You have claimed that Arabs never
accomplished anything, culturally or technologically. (Apparently
you've never read a good history book. Arabs were one of the most
advanced civilizations in the world while Europe languished in the
Dark Ages.) Now, I'm no friend of Islam or any religion - far from it.
But I have a Palestinian friend who is an atheist and doesn't like
Islam anymore than I do. You've posted that the Palestinians are all
terrorists, and Israel is justified in annihilating them all. That's
just sick. Your insane bigotry is unbecoming of an atheist or
rationalist. You're such a bigoted idiot you ignore the fact that
millions of Arabs are not even Muslim; some are even atheist.
I have another dark-skinned friend (Indian, in this case) whose cousin
was beaten to death by scum egged on by your kind of hate speech. To
ignorant bigots like you, anyone with dark skin is a threat.
Your anti-Arab racism betrays the falsity of your liberal disguise.
Since you clearly hate Arabs, there's no doubt you hate Blacks even
more. After all, Blacks possess all the distinguishing traits of Arabs
to an even greater extent. Swarthy skin, kinky hair, lust for the very
women who always turn you down...
Loser. You'd be more at home at a Klan gathering than an American
Atheists meeting. If you're Jewish, your racism reflects the most
sickening depths of fundamentalist Judaism. If you're German (as your
name suggests), you're probably just acting the way your Nazi daddy
taught you to.
Like the Christian fundamentalists, you defend Israel at any turn. No
matter how outrageous its actions, or theocratic its laws, or racist
its policies, you will defend the Jewish state. How is that atheist?
Looks more like Pat Robertson.
You claim that Jews do not proselytize. This is utterly inaccurate.
Jews do proselytize aggressively, albeit in a subtle and sophisticated
fashion. Holocaust museums, AIPAC promotion of Israel,
disproportionate influence in media outlets, stigmatization of ALL
criticism (reflecting their supposed-god's admonition that gentiles
may never utter his name), you name it. Jewish religious/racist
influence is alive, well, and powerful. The very fact you'll scream
"anti-Semite" at the mere mention of this proves me right.
Admit it, you're no atheist. You're a piece of ***** who shills for the
bloodiest religion in history. The cult not only responsible for
countless massacres in the Yahweh's name, but also for Christianity,
Islam and every other twisted offshoot. Whine all you will to the
contrary, but Christianity WOULD NOT EXIST WITHOUT JUDAISM. Nor would
Islam. And next time you want to ***** about Islam's horrors... Don't
forget Susan Cohen's admission that Islam has even more in common with
Judaism than does Christianity! What does that say about Judaism?
Nothing very flattering...
Now go crawl under your rock, theist.
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| User: "cindys" |
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| Title: Re: Is Piercing Blade a hatemonger? |
19 Jan 2004 01:34:01 PM |
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"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
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I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the least bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system and haven't any interest in
flaming atheists as a group. I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
Consistently, you
take their side *against* all the atheists, even on clear-cut (so to
speak) topics such as circumcision.
There is nothing "clear-cut" about circumcision at all, except perhaps in
your personal opinion, and the issue is not related to atheism at all.
Your bigotry against Arabs is vile. You have claimed that Arabs never
accomplished anything, culturally or technologically. (Apparently
you've never read a good history book. Arabs were one of the most
advanced civilizations in the world while Europe languished in the
Dark Ages.) Now, I'm no friend of Islam or any religion - far from it.
But I have a Palestinian friend who is an atheist and doesn't like
Islam anymore than I do.
Let's examine the logic here: Al rightfully condemns Palestinian
terrorists. You happen to have a friend who is a Palestinian atheist, and
ergo, Al is bigoted against atheists??
[snippage of remainder of lies, hatred, and blatant antisemitism, and thank
God not all atheists are like you]
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "Piercing Blade" |
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20 Jan 2004 04:43:19 PM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:<JiWOb.19654$Fe1.2805@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
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I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist.
Allow me to be skeptical. I've seen Binyamin Dissin, for example,
flame atheists for being atheists. He's an Orthodox Jew, whose
mentality is quite similar to a fundie Muslim or Christian. Hell,
Orthodox Jews in Israel won't even let women pray at the Wailing Wall.
How progressive, indeed! You guys are no better than the most backward
Muslims.
I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
I'm not an anti-semite. Non-racist Jews should have the same rights
and respect as everyone else. On the other hand, many Jews in these
newsgroups have advocated genocide against Arabs. Where is your
condemnation of *their* racism? I suppose it would be hard to condemn
them for feelings that are so strong in yourself!
Consistently, you
take their side *against* all the atheists, even on clear-cut (so to
speak) topics such as circumcision.
There is nothing "clear-cut" about circumcision at all, except perhaps in
your personal opinion, and the issue is not related to atheism at all.
All atheists that I know of are opposed to cutting up babies. Al Klein
is almost certainly not an atheist; if he were one, he'd be the sole
exception to this rule.
Let's examine the logic here: Al rightfully condemns Palestinian
terrorists.
False. He condemns all Palestinians, man, woman, and child, regardless
of their actions. He does not condemn Jewish terrorists, or even
acknowledge their existence.
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| User: "cindys" |
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20 Jan 2004 07:41:02 PM |
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"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack
Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who
do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
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I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist.
Allow me to be skeptical. I've seen Binyamin Dissin, for example,
My name is not Binyamin Dissin. And I have never flamed atheists for being
atheists. Now who's the liar?
flame atheists for being atheists. He's an Orthodox Jew, whose
mentality is quite similar to a fundie Muslim or Christian. Hell,
Orthodox Jews in Israel won't even let women pray at the Wailing Wall.
This is an outright lie. Of course women can pray at the Wall.
How progressive, indeed! You guys are no better than the most backward
Muslims.
I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
I'm not an anti-semite. Non-racist Jews should have the same rights
and respect as everyone else.
I'm also not a racist, which is another lie on your part.
On the other hand, many Jews in these
newsgroups have advocated genocide against Arabs.
And I have also never advocated genocide against Arabs (or any other group).
So another lie on your part.
Where is your
condemnation of *their* racism? I suppose it would be hard to condemn
them for feelings that are so strong in yourself!
Consistently, you
take their side *against* all the atheists, even on clear-cut (so to
speak) topics such as circumcision.
There is nothing "clear-cut" about circumcision at all, except perhaps
in
your personal opinion, and the issue is not related to atheism at all.
All atheists that I know of are opposed to cutting up babies.
Yet, circumcision is a commonly performed medical procedure, performed on
thousands of babies by doctors in the hospital every day of the week.
Without a doubt, many of the circumcisions are done on babies whose parents
are atheists. Another lie on your part.
Al Klein
is almost certainly not an atheist; if he were one, he'd be the sole
exception to this rule.
I doubt that very much.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Let's examine the logic here: Al rightfully condemns Palestinian
terrorists.
False. He condemns all Palestinians, man, woman, and child, regardless
of their actions. He does not condemn Jewish terrorists, or even
acknowledge their existence.
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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20 Jan 2004 10:38:30 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 01:41:02 GMT, "cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com>
posted in alt.atheism:
[piggybacking]
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401201443.4e4f26e9@posting.google.com...
Al Klein is almost certainly not an atheist
I don't believe in any god - that makes me an atheist.
Whether you believe that or not doesn't concern me.
--
"A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything."
- Friedrich Nietzsche
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at optonline dot net
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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20 Jan 2004 11:59:54 AM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:<JiWOb.19654$Fe1.2805@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
------------
I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the least bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system and haven't any interest in
flaming atheists as a group. I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
How was his post anti-sematic? People who think everything is anti
this and anti that annoy me.
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| User: "cindys" |
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20 Jan 2004 12:12:12 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7614cd74.0401200959.382bf2f8@posting.google.com...
"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:<JiWOb.19654$Fe1.2805@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack
Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who
do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
------------
I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the least
bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system and haven't any
interest in
flaming atheists as a group. I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
How was his post anti-sematic? People who think everything is anti
this and anti that annoy me.
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He wrote: "No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are
terrorists... Typical Zionist Jew crap."
I'm so glad you don't consider that antisemitic.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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20 Jan 2004 06:14:47 PM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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He wrote: "No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are
terrorists... Typical Zionist Jew crap."
I'm so glad you don't consider that antisemitic.
Oh, I thought he was talking *only* about the post to which he was replying.
That wasn't posted there.
Susan
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| User: "Piercing Blade" |
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20 Jan 2004 05:10:33 PM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:<0cePb.24607$Fe1.11944@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
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He wrote: "No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are
terrorists... Typical Zionist Jew crap."
I'm so glad you don't consider that antisemitic.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
First, idiot, *I* did not write that. *I'm* the one you first called
an antisemite. I would never write those things about you. You're way
too stupid to be a decent liar.
But even if I HAD, it wouldn't make me antisemitic. Zionist Jews
exist, and so it follows that some will be liars. So labeling one a
"Zionist Jew liar" is not antisemitic. "Typical Zionist Jew crap" is
no more antisemitic than "typical Arab Muslim crap" is anti-Arab.
You need to get used to criticism, because it's not going away. Most
people in the world are NOT white westereners, and will never swallow
the ***** that your "Holocaust" is unique or that your culture is
worthy of special adoration. This is not antisemitism, it's just a
lack of slavish philosemitism. Get over it!
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| User: "cindys" |
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20 Jan 2004 07:34:23 PM |
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"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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He wrote: "No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are
terrorists... Typical Zionist Jew crap."
I'm so glad you don't consider that antisemitic.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
First, idiot, *I* did not write that. *I'm* the one you first called
an antisemite. I would never write those things about you. You're way
too stupid to be a decent liar.
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Yes, I see FP did write that. My mistake and I apologize. But there is
nothing stupid about me at all, and an honest error is a far cry from a
deliberate lie.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
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| User: "FP" |
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21 Jan 2004 12:08:18 AM |
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cindys wrote:
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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He wrote: "No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are
terrorists... Typical Zionist Jew crap."
I'm so glad you don't consider that antisemitic.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
First, idiot, *I* did not write that. *I'm* the one you first called
an antisemite. I would never write those things about you. You're way
too stupid to be a decent liar.
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Yes, I see FP did write that. My mistake and I apologize. But there is
nothing stupid about me at all, and an honest error is a far cry from a
deliberate lie.
Right, you're not dumb at all.
Right, lying is deliberate, of course.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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| User: "FP" |
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20 Jan 2004 09:24:30 PM |
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Piercing Blade wrote:
"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message news:<0cePb.24607$Fe1.11944@twister.nyroc.rr.com>...
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He wrote: "No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are
terrorists... Typical Zionist Jew crap."
I'm so glad you don't consider that antisemitic.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
First, idiot, *I* did not write that. *I'm* the one you first called
an antisemite. I would never write those things about you. You're way
too stupid to be a decent liar.
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But even if I HAD, it wouldn't make me antisemitic. Zionist Jews
exist, and so it follows that some will be liars.
Thing about Zionism is, it makes the Jew lie - the more Zionist the Jew
becomes, the more dishonest he is, as a general rule. Even more than he
might otherwise. Almost all Zionist Jews are liars, especially when it
comes to Zionism. Zionism is based on a massive lie and the entire
Zionist "history" is nothing but a mythology made up of some of the most
brilliantly-constructed lies ever devised. Early observers of Zionism
(~1947) were stricken by how dishonest it was, at its core, on its
fringes, and all throughout. Even compared to other political
movements, Zionism is shockingly dishonest. And Zionists have
shamelessly utilized about every dirty trick known to man to push their
movement. Perhaps it is because Zionism is at its core, IMHO, a
*fanatical* movement. IOW, it is loony, wacko, nutso, crazy. IMHO,
Zionism is a wacked out fringe movement of loony fanatics that somehow,
for some weird reason, happened to become very popular amongst the
otherwise sane. But at its core its still loony-fringe stuff. And
fanatical movements, revolutionary movements, can be stupefyingly
dishonest. Because anything goes to win the revolutionary's goals.
There are some honest Zionists out there. Check out Benny Morris latest
interview. Problem with being an honest Zionist is it makes one sound
like a fascist monster. Because unfortunately that is what Zionism is
really like. As most Jews do not wish to sound like fascist monsters,
they are forced to lie endlessly when defending Zionism.
So labeling one a
"Zionist Jew liar" is not antisemitic. "Typical Zionist Jew crap" is
no more antisemitic than "typical Arab Muslim crap" is anti-Arab.
Or Arab nationalist, or Arab Nasserite, or Arab Islamist....
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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20 Jan 2004 06:13:52 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
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"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack
Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who
do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
------------
I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the least
bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system and haven't any
interest in
flaming atheists as a group. I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
How was his post anti-sematic? People who think everything is anti
this and anti that annoy me.
Do learn to read. No one said that it was.
Susan
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| User: "Daniel Kolle" |
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21 Jan 2004 12:08:49 PM |
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<4vjPb.31151$ko5.30717@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How was his post anti-sematic? People who think everything is anti
this and anti that annoy me.
Do learn to read. No one said that it was.
Susan
I suggest you re-read. Cindy called the guy's post anti-sematic.
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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21 Jan 2004 01:24:32 PM |
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"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Susan Cohen" <flaviaR@verizon.net> wrote in message
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"Daniel Kolle" <DKolle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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How was his post anti-sematic? People who think everything is anti
this and anti that annoy me.
Do learn to read. No one said that it was.
Susan
I suggest you re-read. Cindy called the guy's post anti-sematic.
I suggest you re-read.
What Cindy called anti-semitic was, indeed, anti-semitic.
Susan
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19 Jan 2004 07:53:30 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:34:01 +0000, cindys wrote:
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
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I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the least bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system
<nitpick>
Atheism is not a belief system.
It is, however, a constituent part of numerous belief systems. As can be
evidenced by the differences between Al, myself, and the poster to whom
you are responding.
</nitpick>
<remainder snipped because I can't find anything else to argue about>
Sorry, just passing through :)
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20 Jan 2004 01:25:30 AM |
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cindys wrote:
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
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I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the least bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system and haven't any interest in
flaming atheists as a group. I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
Your bigotry against Arabs is vile. You have claimed that Arabs never
accomplished anything, culturally or technologically. (Apparently
you've never read a good history book. Arabs were one of the most
advanced civilizations in the world while Europe languished in the
Dark Ages.) Now, I'm no friend of Islam or any religion - far from it.
But I have a Palestinian friend who is an atheist and doesn't like
Islam anymore than I do.
Let's examine the logic here: Al rightfully condemns Palestinian
terrorists.
No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are terrorists.
You happen to have a friend who is a Palestinian atheist, and
ergo, Al is bigoted against atheists??
Typical Zionist Jew crap.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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20 Jan 2004 01:45:50 AM |
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"FP" <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:400CD7EA.E9058371@fp.can...
cindys wrote:
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack
Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who
do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
------------
I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the least
bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system and haven't any
interest in
flaming atheists as a group. I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
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Of course it did, just as the remainder of yours does.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Your bigotry against Arabs is vile. You have claimed that Arabs never
accomplished anything, culturally or technologically. (Apparently
you've never read a good history book. Arabs were one of the most
advanced civilizations in the world while Europe languished in the
Dark Ages.) Now, I'm no friend of Islam or any religion - far from it.
But I have a Palestinian friend who is an atheist and doesn't like
Islam anymore than I do.
Let's examine the logic here: Al rightfully condemns Palestinian
terrorists.
No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are terrorists.
You happen to have a friend who is a Palestinian atheist, and
ergo, Al is bigoted against atheists??
Typical Zionist Jew crap.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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| User: "FP" |
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20 Jan 2004 09:02:08 PM |
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cindys wrote:
"FP" <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:400CD7EA.E9058371@fp.can...
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
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Of course it did, just as the remainder of yours does.
Criticizing ZIONIST Jews, meaning in this case the hard-line pro-Israeli
Jews, is certainly not anti-Semitism. Zionism is not a race; it is a
political philosophy.
Let's examine the logic here: Al rightfully condemns Palestinian
terrorists.
No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are terrorists.
You happen to have a friend who is a Palestinian atheist, and
ergo, Al is bigoted against atheists??
Typical Zionist Jew crap.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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| User: "cindys" |
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20 Jan 2004 10:33:47 PM |
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"FP" <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:400DEBB0.CBC4B48@fp.can...
cindys wrote:
"FP" <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:400CD7EA.E9058371@fp.can...
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
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Of course it did, just as the remainder of yours does.
Criticizing ZIONIST Jews, meaning in this case the hard-line pro-Israeli
Jews, is certainly not anti-Semitism. Zionism is not a race; it is a
political philosophy.
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Yes, the philosophy that Jews have the right to establish a homeland in the
State of Israel. This is the hard line, and BTW 99% of all Jews are
pro-Israeli Zionists.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
Let's examine the logic here: Al rightfully condemns Palestinian
terrorists.
No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are terrorists.
You happen to have a friend who is a Palestinian atheist, and
ergo, Al is bigoted against atheists??
Typical Zionist Jew crap.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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| User: "FP" |
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21 Jan 2004 12:07:14 AM |
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cindys wrote:
"FP" <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:400DEBB0.CBC4B48@fp.can...
cindys wrote:
"FP" <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:400CD7EA.E9058371@fp.can...
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
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Of course it did, just as the remainder of yours does.
Criticizing ZIONIST Jews, meaning in this case the hard-line pro-Israeli
Jews, is certainly not anti-Semitism. Zionism is not a race; it is a
political philosophy.
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Yes, the philosophy that Jews have the right to establish a homeland in the
State of Israel. This is the hard line, and BTW 99% of all Jews are
pro-Israeli Zionists.
Yes I know they are. The anti-Zionist Jew is largely mythological.
But the less passionate the Jewish Zionist is, usually the more
rational, friendly, nice, and honest and they are too. The more
passionate they are, the more aggressive, threatening, belligerent,
dishonest and unpleasant they are, IMHO. I don't really a problem with
the more moderate Oslo-type or Meretz-type Jewish Zionists, although I
do with a few of them. Most of them don't want to get into a big fight
over Israel. The more rightwing the Zionist, the more likely they are
to harass, spam, abuse, mailbomb, threaten, lie, start fights, etc.
Course, I guess they just see it as a war, and they are warriors.
So, anyway, I don't have a problem with all Zionists, but the more
passionate ones I do tend to tangle with.
I still hold that criticizing Zionism is no more racist than criticizing
Communism or libertarianism or whathaveyou.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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| User: "FP" |
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20 Jan 2004 09:03:33 PM |
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cindys wrote:
"FP" <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:400CD7EA.E9058371@fp.can...
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
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Of course it did, just as the remainder of yours does.
Criticizing ZIONIST Jews, meaning in this case the hard-line pro-Israeli
Jews, is certainly not anti-Semitism. Zionism is not a race; it is a
political philosophy.
Let's examine the logic here: Al rightfully condemns Palestinian
terrorists.
No you Zionist Jew liar. All says ALL Palestinians are terrorists.
You happen to have a friend who is a Palestinian atheist, and
ergo, Al is bigoted against atheists??
Typical Zionist Jew crap.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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| User: "Piercing Blade" |
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20 Jan 2004 04:33:08 PM |
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FP <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:<400CD7EA.E9058371@fp.can>...
cindys wrote:
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
------------
I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the least bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system and haven't any interest in
flaming atheists as a group. I will flame an individual atheist such as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
True, I even have Jewish (by birth) friends I am very close to.
They're just not oversensitive Jewish racists like Cindy S.
Ever notice how sensitive racist Jews are? I've also bashed Germans,
whites, and Muslims in my posts, yet none of them seem to care....
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| User: "cindys" |
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20 Jan 2004 04:41:33 PM |
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"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401201433.1a0ecbe8@posting.google.com...
FP <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:<400CD7EA.E9058371@fp.can>...
cindys wrote:
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack
Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who
do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
------------
I have never flamed an atheist for being an atheist. I am not the
least bit
interested in flaming atheism as a belief system and haven't any
interest in
flaming atheists as a group. I will flame an individual atheist such
as
yourself, however, who also happens to be an antisemite.
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
True, I even have Jewish (by birth) friends I am very close to.
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Yes, of course. Some of your best friends are Jews.
Best regards,
---Cindy S.
They're just not oversensitive Jewish racists like Cindy S.
Ever notice how sensitive racist Jews are? I've also bashed Germans,
whites, and Muslims in my posts, yet none of them seem to care....
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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20 Jan 2004 06:16:50 PM |
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"cindys" <cstein1@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
news:x8iPb.64586$Su5.42593@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401201433.1a0ecbe8@posting.google.com...
True, I even have Jewish (by birth) friends I am very close to.
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Yes, of course. Some of your best friends are Jews.
Now wait, this might be true: he would probably befriend people who were
born Jews, or who think they were born Jews, but are Jew-haters anyway.
They're just not oversensitive Jewish racists like Cindy S.
Such a liar.
Ever notice how sensitive racist Jews are? I've also bashed Germans,
whites, and Muslims in my posts, yet none of them seem to care....
Yeah, he admits to being a bigot, & his only whine is that Jews noticed it
enough to say something.
Susan
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| User: "FP" |
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20 Jan 2004 09:09:16 PM |
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cindys wrote:
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
True, I even have Jewish (by birth) friends I am very close to.
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Yes, of course. Some of your best friends are Jews.
Oldest anti-racist lie around. The notion is that racists always have
some of their best friends being the race they supposedly hate.
Actually, in RL, I have found that most REAL racists have few, if any,
friends amongst the hated group. It's just not a common thing at all.
Remember once visiting these JEWISH friends of mine and announced that I
was thinking of inviting a black guy over tonite. The proposal was
summarily shot down! No blacks would be allowed to visit their
apartment, ever, if they could help it. I have run across similar
attitudes amongst racists 1001's of times. Racists do not want to
associate with the hated group, period. If someone does have good
friends in the "hated" group, to me, that is a hint they may not be so
racist after all.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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| User: "FP" |
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20 Jan 2004 09:04:33 PM |
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Piercing Blade wrote:
FP <FP@fp.can> wrote in message news:<400CD7EA.E9058371@fp.can>...
His post demonstrated no anti-Semitism.
True, I even have Jewish (by birth) friends I am very close to.
They're just not oversensitive Jewish racists like Cindy S.
Ever notice how sensitive racist Jews are? I've also bashed Germans,
whites, and Muslims in my posts, yet none of them seem to care....
Yeh, they are. I guess there are reasons for the paranioa, but then a
lot of paranoids have reasons for their illness too. It's still an
illness.
--
Islamic Jihad leader Shaik Nafez Azzam 12-03:
"You the Jews are invited to live in safety in Palestine, the whole..."
Wait, but I thought the nasty A-rabs wanted to toss the poor Jews into
the sea!
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| User: "Susan Cohen" |
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| Title: Re: A RACIST is more like it - yes, "Piercing Blade"! |
19 Jan 2004 06:21:28 PM |
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"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
Not for *being* atheists, you deceptive little creep!
Consistently, you
take their side *against* all the atheists, even on clear-cut (so to
speak) topics such as circumcision.
Only because your position is fascist & bigoted.
If you're Jewish, your racism reflects the most
sickening depths of fundamentalist Judaism.
I reapeat: bigoted.
Susan
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19 Jan 2004 07:16:34 PM |
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And so upon Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:21:28 +0000 didst Susan Cohen speak
thusly:
"Piercing Blade" <wisdommask@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e74f2680.0401190928.76292a@posting.google.com...
Al Klein <rukbat@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:<o9j900ddo3qr58mhbcup55meqtvsv3ap8r@Pern.rk>...
On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 11:52:37 GMT, "P A Abeles"
<nospampaabeles@bigpond.com> posted in alt.atheism:
Al Klein is a very funny atheist. Ever ready to attack Christianity,
when it
comes to Judaism, not a word.
I attack theists who post to alt.atheism. Almost all of those who do
are Christians.
Actually, many Jews such as Susan Cohen, "Yechidah", Cindy S., etc.
have flamed atheists in crossposts to alt.atheism.
Not for *being* atheists, you deceptive little creep!
A small point he overlooks in the rush to smear Al...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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| User: "Piercing Blade" |
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20 Jan 2004 01:25:28 PM |
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"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.20.01.16.33.821236@hoo.com-amikchi>...
the rush to smear Al...
So you approve of statements such as these, all made by Al Klein:
"The Palestinians want every Jew out of Israel."
- Al Klein, Message-ID: <b5u300tnghatt73n4ffb40pv1kpak39v78@Pern.rk>
(Note how Al Klein says "the Palestinians." Not "some Palestinians"
but "the Palestinians" as a monolithic group. Including the children
and non-political people who are just trying to get by. Al Klein is
sick for making that statement, and you are sick too if you agree with
it.)
"The Arabs had been in the area for a few thousand years and had done
nothing. Not created wealth, not made the desert bloom - nothing."
- Al Klein, Message-ID: <t2skhus2uovf33h9vic7fn5i104a0cpofj@4ax.com>
(An incredibly bigoted, racist lie. Any competent historian knows that
Arabs have accomplished a great deal, in architecture, mathematics,
medical tech, astronomy, literature, and many other areas. In the
"Dark Ages" they were easily more advanced than Europeans in most
areas. Since Klein is racist against Arabs, he certainly has similar
attitudes toward Blacks. After all, I've heard many racists say "The
Blacks had been in the area for a few thousand years and had done
nothing. Not created wealth, not made the desert bloom - nothing.
Africa was better off under white rule.")
Are you sure you want to be associated in any way with a racist
scumbag like Al Klein? After all, regarding the Israeli government you
yourself said that
'***** it. You know, they're making it *real *hard to not be
"anti-Semite."'
- Mark K. Bilbo, Message-ID: <pan.2003.08.02.02.25.36.563049@eac.org>
and
'I personally deny it's "anti-Semitic" to hold the position that
Sharon is a Nazi and the current policies of Israel are evil.'
- Mark K. Bilbo, Message-Id: <pan.2003.11.11.16.28.41.42998@eac.org>
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20 Jan 2004 04:33:27 PM |
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And so upon Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:25:28 -0800 didst Piercing Blade speak
thusly:
"Mark K. Bilbo" <y@hoo.com-amikchi> wrote in message news:<pan.2004.01.20.01.16.33.821236@hoo.com-amikchi>...
the rush to smear Al...
So you approve of statements such as these, all made by Al Klein:
<snip>
False dichotomy. I don't have to agree with his positions nor "approve" of
his statements if I don't believe he's a "racist." I can disagree with him
and not distrust his motivations. Watch me. I'm doing it right now.
Are you sure you want to be associated in any way with a racist
scumbag like Al Klein? After all, regarding the Israeli government you
yourself said that
'***** it. You know, they're making it *real *hard to not be
"anti-Semite."'
- Mark K. Bilbo, Message-ID: <pan.2003.08.02.02.25.36.563049@eac.org>
and
'I personally deny it's "anti-Semitic" to hold the position that
Sharon is a Nazi and the current policies of Israel are evil.'
- Mark K. Bilbo, Message-Id: <pan.2003.11.11.16.28.41.42998@eac.org>
I'm aware of my position. From skimming the threads you're so hyped about,
I probably disagree sharply with Al on several points. Point blank, my
sympathies *are with the Palestinians more than with Israel (the state as
opposed to the people by the way).
I still don't have to think Al's motivations for his positions is "racism."
Nor have you convinced me they are.
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
"There is no system but GNU, and Linux is one of its kernels."
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